Off the record, we have several sources telling us that Ray Allen is, indeed, on the block.
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On the one hand
I can’t honestly say I’m surprised. Unhappy, sure. But not terribly surprising.
I might point out that the quote they have from Doc about Rondo being disliked by his teammates is from his rookie year and not from this one as they seem to claim, I believe, though I have no idea about DA’s quote on Rondo’s stubbornness (also feel like I’ve seen it years ago…).
by illantari on Jun 5, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not happening
Why would a GM and coach bad mouth a player they want to trade? why would they drop his value?
As for Ray, there are 2 options
1. Goes to a contender that needs an outside shooter.
2. Goes to a team that is trying to dump salary
if it is 1, then good luck
if it is 2, then he is coming back and it is better to do it now better than later, in this way he takes more time off and he could come back with us early in the season.
by aboubata on Jun 5, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
unless I’ve missed something, I’m still waiting on the first Bill Ingram rumor to come true
most of what he does is recycled material – the rest of this article is rehashing of old articles and tossing up that Suns rumor that died a day ago
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Jun 5, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unless I’ve missed something, I’m still waiting on the first Bill Ingram rumor to come true
Haha … very true
by Who on Jun 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with that said
I do believe that Ray is available at the right price – it all depends on what that price is
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Jun 5, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The C's think they know exactly what they have
in both Ray and Rondo.
With reason to think both players’ value is spiked right now, Danny’d be derelict not to find out what value the rest of the league places on them—and consider all options.
by clover on Jun 5, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well of Course
The only way the Celtics can do something significant without completely destroying their chances for #18 is to trade Ray for a package of good players with expensive contracts.
Specifically, I want to trade him to Charlotte for Diaw, Diop and Bell. IMHO Bob Johnson, who is hemmoraging money, would jump at that deal.
by Brickowski on Jun 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Surprise Me
As much as I like Ray, Ainge saw what happened to the team he played on when management hung on to the core too long. If he can make a deal that keeps the team strong and extends their window a little longer, then he pulls the trigger. And given the financial situations with some of these teams — which I’ll guarantee you is likely worse than has been reported — there may well be some opportunity this offseason to make a major deal.
by Kuberski33 on Jun 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, although I really don’t expect that Ainge will live up to the statements he made to Red. I do think he’ll move some minor expiring pieces around to get a 5 or a 3. And Hoopsworld is garbage. If they printed a story about the sun setting in the west, I’d have to step outside to see proof.
If nothing else, however, perhaps the discussion sends a message to Rondo to fill in the holes in his game.
by CoachBo on Jun 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pop pyschology doesn't work
The way you send messages to Rondo is by actually talking to him about what he needs to work on over the summer, and NOT by feeding trade rumors to sports writers.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if that player doesn’t listen …
Good discussion about Rondo, whether he’s available or not.
by CoachBo on Jun 5, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't listen...
You need to determine why…Rondo HAS listened to people before…from what I heard, only Sam and Ray could get through to him last season…though I sure KG has a way of making himself heard as well…so, it’s not like he doesn’t listen to anybody…
But, from a practical standpoint, either a guy is a complete jerk and doesn’t listen to ANYBODY, or he’s somewhere on the spectrum of selective hearing and his coach needs to figure out how to get through to him. In today’s NBA, that’s pretty much the coach’s #1 duty: determining the best communicative method for his 15 players. Luckily for us, Rivers is a master communicator. I don’t think Rondo’s a complete jerk and from articles I’ve read, he has self-awareness about his own hard headedness…that self-awareness is key—it means he’s growing and maturing and at least recognizes that from time to time he—Rondo—might not know it all.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 5, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take everything in that article with a grain of salt. I posted a quote from it in the forum and crownsy posted a link to the story with the quote from Doc about Rondo. It was taken totally out of context. So, I don’t really believe anything he says when his on the record information was manipulated to make his point
Perk and Powe... the Next Big Thing
by FLCeltsFan on Jun 5, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fundamental
I’ve said it before here, I think that Ray Allen is the most fundamentally sound hoopster I’ve ever seen.
That said, he IS getting older and was ineffective in the playoffs for the most part.
If Danny can use his contract to acquire something better and potentially more effective, I have little issue with it.
He does have a sweet stroke though, and without him, there’d be no banner 17.
For that, I’m forever thankful to him.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on Jun 5, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of course danny is going to explore and listen..
but aside from suggesting the Cs are poking around on ray’s value, the article is silly. the ‘confirmation quote’ on rondo is months old, about how a player is growing and learning. rondo is not going to be traded for anything short of a true superstar, because he’s now a top 5 nba point guard. they don’t grown on trees.
by ssspence on Jun 5, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10, maybe.
Too many holes in his game for me to swallow the 5, though.
by CoachBo on Jun 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on, count em on your fingers...
top 10? name the 9, no way.
would you trade him for steve nash? would you trade him for calderon? would you trade him for kidd? would you trade him for baron davis? would you trade him for tj ford? would you trade him for aaron brooks? would you trade him for jameer nelson? would you trade him for raefer alston? would you trade him for…. you get my point. rose, rondo, paul, williams, parker. MAYBE harris fits into the discussion, but he’s a baby and too focused on scoring.
by ssspence on Jun 5, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said he is top 10.
He is not in the top five in the league, however. He can’t shoot, his effort on the floor is spotty, his defense is grossly overrated and his effort on that end isn’t always good, his foul shooting is atrocious for a point guard.
Too many holes in his game. He doesn’t measure up at all to CP3, Williams, Kobe (of course), Parker. And frankly, Billups is playing at a higher level now than Rondo.
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a spot in the second five, or upward mobility. But he’s got issues as a player that need work.
by CoachBo on Jun 5, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I have learned over time...
Never, ever, EVER trust Hoopsworld. They were consistently wrong last season, on several things. They make up rumors as much as Celtics Thug did.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 5, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't mean that Ray Allen isn't on the block...
I mean, anybody with a brain in their head can say that Ray’s name will come up in trade rumors. However, from where I sit, Hoopsworld is garbage.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 5, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like when they quoted a poster on RealGM as a "source" last season.
See here.
Or, there was this from the same author last season:
“James Posey is expected to announce that he’ll re-sign with the Boston Celtics in the next 24 hours”.
Remind me how that one worked out.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 5, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
they’re terrible. their rumors section is the most useless exercise in the NBA forum community. it’s essentially bad writers asking questions (“could Baron Davis be earing out his welcome in LA?”) with no actually story to speak of.
the chats are atrocious — as stupid as the pictures of the losers they have running them. some guy named skyler just told a poster from miami that the #2 pick and darrell arthur would be an aweful deal in return for michael beasley. debatable? yes, tho i bet riley would do it in a heartbeat. aweful? get serious.
by ssspence on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Could We Get That Is Better Than Ray Allen?
I hate this expiring contract stuff. If healthy the C’s can be able to compete for a championship for the next two years. Who can we trade for who would be better for this team than Ray Allen.
Chris Bosh, I read, is not going to agree to an extension, so might be a free agent next year. Should we trade Allen for Bosh? I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t mind adding Bosh, but I would not trade Ray for him.
Also, this stubbornness stuff on Rondo. Enough already. If that’s his greatest flaw, great. Because of KG’s injury all players needed to make tremendous adjustments, including Rondo. We need to forget about the past. It’s over.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
by TrueGreen on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t trade for Bosh, too duplicative with KG… well, actually I would, but it wouldn’t really help Toronto…. but what if Detroit signs Ben Gordon and decides that Rip Hamilton is expendable? Maybe they’d want Ray Allen to be the best sixth man in League history, to potentially help them have cap space NEXT year as well, or maybe there’s a three-way deal to be completed?
by theBird on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Rajon is FOOL. Rondo (and Perkins) is our future, we need him… I don’t see better pointguard avalaible. Ray? I hope he’ll stay, but we can get a younger big star, maybe…
P.s. I don’t understand how Amare can make us better, who is going to play at three? Kg?
by Jack_Frost on Jun 5, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never say never
Only franchise players are untradeable and as good as Rondo is, he’s not a franchise player. What bothers me just a little is I can see him wanting franchise player money and at some point you need to look at all of this objectively.
I don’t expect him to go anywhere but I wouldn’t put it past Danny to make a major deal if he feels it will benefit the C’s in the long run and help win a title. Rondo is not untouchable.
by Kuberski33 on Jun 5, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perkins is not our future center. his shoulder is going to cause the celtics to have to draft a center next year. we need another big man. don’t get me wrong i love perkins, but the shoulder has been hurting at the end of 2 seasons.
by patriot masshole on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diop
Frank, I know he is overpaid but I have always wanted the C’s to get Diop. I think he would be a great backup for Perk, keeping a defensive presence in the paint at all times. What about Wallace in the deal instead of Bell or Diaw though?
by celty86 on Jun 5, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ray's not going anywhere
the only way they trade ray is at the deadline to a contender IF it becomes obvious that the c’s can’t compete for the title for some (terrible) reason. any trade to a non-contender would likely bring back less than what goes out (hall of famer in great shape. still shoots lights out). you only do that when you decide its time to go in another direction.
by reggie35 on Jun 5, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
This rumor makes me laugh….alot! I could see the Celtics looking at options for Ray, but throwing in Rondo is absurd. Rondo will not be on the block for a long time!
by twelve_twenty on Jun 5, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t be that surprising to see Ray go. Sad in a way, but such is the way of the game.
Really, I’m a little surprised people are so confident we can just bring back the same team and throw in a couple guys and BAM we’re contenders again. If free agency goes perfect (unlikely) sure it’s all good, but it better go perfect. There’s not really a lot of room for error when the Big 3 can only stay the same, get worse or get injured.
Honestly, I don’t expect Ray to be as good next season as he was this season. He’s going to be 34. Is he going to shoot 95/48/40 or whatever it was again? Doubtful. Even if he does can we get someone to reduce his (and Pierce’s) minutes? Ariza maybe? Say that’s the full MLE…are we still paying Glen Davis? Whether yes or no on Davis, who are we getting as a big…I guess I just don’t see management spending a lot of extra dough. Trading Ray for multiple useful players gives us a way to better our depth and thusly preserve our starters without changing the number on total salary too much. I don’t see how Danny can overlook this option. Doesn’t mean it happens but it’s pretty much a given it will be explored.
by Berkcelt on Jun 5, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we can bring back the same team
Just as was the case this season, any fall-off from the Big 3 will be lessened by the improvements of Perk and Rondo next season. I expect Rondo’s jumper to improved, as well as his free throw percentage. Perk’s going to add the 15 footer as well.
KG’s going to be as motivated as EVER, especially considering how his season ended. Ray and Paul know that it’ll take 2 ’chips to be remembered as great Celtics.
Provided that starting lineup is healthy come playoff time, we will once again be a contender. As always, it’s about staying healthy and adding the right veteran free agent at the right price. Hopefully Baby comes back at a good price, and that we can add McDyess or Grant Hill…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny was bold 2 years ago and it paid off.
Not so bold last year and his minor moves may have been saved by the major injuries.
I don’t think he’ll be afraid to shake things up if he thinks it will help.
by clover on Jun 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was bold in his major moves, but signing Posey, House and PJ Brown was lucky as anything else. Especially Posey and Brown.
I agree though that it wouldn’t be surprising for Danny to pull a big deal.
by Berkcelt on Jun 5, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well between Baby and free agents (I think we need a big, a wing and a pg) how much is that going to cost? $10M? Add that to the current roster total and it’s around $84M. That’s probably going to be around $98M with the lux tax for players salaries. I don’t see that happening.
Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t know what exactly the market will dictate or what guys are willing to give up a little for the chance at a championship. But what’s best case? $7M for those four guys? $3M for Baby, $3M for Dyess and two vet minimums guys? Unless Wyc gets Paul Allen’s tailor to let out his pockets, I don’t really see the FA option going very favorably for the Cs.
by Berkcelt on Jun 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All we gotta do
Is sign up McDyess, Grant Hill, and Tyronne Lue……
This is doable and it will bring home 18 in 2010.
by The_Q on Jun 5, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Except for Lue
I agree. McDyess and Hill would put us in a very good position next season (and maybe in the next one). Then we’d need 2/3 more role-played to add depth (min. salary veterans) and we should be ready to go.
by cordobes on Jun 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mcdyess, grant hill, and lue?? the Cs would need a new training staff to add 3 guys that will be 35, 37, and 32 at the beginning of next season. nevermind getting all 3 of these guys to sign for the minimum or the MLE.
by k96ps02 on Jun 5, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what on the block means
I believe that Danny is listening to all offers for Ray but I don’t think he’s actively shopping him.
by BigRedDog42 on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and the one way that Rondo’s on the block is if Danny calls his agent and the response is “5 years, $80M or we take our chances in 2010.” They need to get an extension done this summer, there will be teams with cap space who don’t get LeBron or Bosh or Wade but who need to get SOMETHING done. Rondo’ll be an RFA, but could well be that someone makes a stupid-rich offer that they don’t want to match. If an extension can’t be worked out, then you have to start taking some phone calls… but there better be a young guy coming back with the potential to be All-NBA.
by theBird on Jun 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked and worried.
I hope this is just some bogus rumor, I didn’t expect the management to really consider this possibility. I don’t want to see Ray getting traded, especially for a young promising player, that doesn’t make sense at all. If Ainges does it you can say goodbye to #18 in 2010.
by Drucci on Jun 5, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On ‘Celtics Now’ Wyc said the Big 3 are coming back for another season together. I don’t think Ray is getting traded.
by C's09Champs on Jun 5, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KEEP JESUS!!!!!!
Deadly outside shooting is a necassary component of championship team. The Bulls had Kerr, Spurs and Lakers had Horry, Heat had Gibson in his one good year in the league. And lastly the Clets have Jesus. When you trade Jesus how do you replace that? Get real, if theey trade Ray for anyone short of D-Wade I will be livid. Look at what he did in the finals last year, the Bulls this year. Are you guys joking?
by bigjohnson34st on Jun 8, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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