Rumor: Boston Talks to Memphis About Acquiring #2 Pick In The Draft
As the rumor mill churns, the Griz have been approached by several teams about acquiring the second overall pick. Boston, Houston and New York are said to be among the most recent suitors
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I'm not buying it...
The only way this makes sense for Memphis is if Ainge offered Rondo. I don’t see that happening. The only rationale where it makes sense is if the Celtics think Rondo is going to get way too much money in free agency, and would prefer a cost-controlled player.
(Hat tip to KungPoweChicken for the link.)
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Danny Ainge
will always, always, always kick the tires
…and I dig that about him
that said, I’m not sure what we could offer either – it better not be Rondo
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Rondo is the only thing we could offer
They’re way under the cap and can’t get legitimate free agents to sign there, so they have little use for expiring contracts.
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I think
I’d have a nervous breakdown if we traded Rondo for a draft pick
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
I agree...
Here’s what I said in the forums:
I suppose this could make sense from Ainge’s perspective if: 1) he’s convinced Rubio is a future all-star; 2) he’s convinced that Rubio could competently lead a team right now; 3) he’s got serious concerns about Rondo’s attitude and shooting ability; and 4) he’s convinced that Rondo is going to sign a huge deal in restricted free agency next summer.
Under those very specific circumstances, I can see the Celtics dealing Rondo for Rubio and probably an additional piece.
Tony + Rondo for Gay + Rubio? That’s probably too much from Memphis’ perspective.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
frankly I think those 4 things are true
I haven’t seen Rubio much but if he can stay in front of his man, shoot a jumpshot well, and direct the offense, Danny may think that is an upgrade
Ricky's shot
Rubio is an awesome player for his age and I’d say he’ll be a very good one in the NBA but please, his shooting is mediocre right now. I ’ve watch all his games for the last four years. Anyway, he could be the first celtic foreign great player.
Breaking up the starting five for something that won’t help us at all next year?
That move would be lunacy.
agreed
that move’s a headscratcher. Why move a proven player that helped get you to a championship (who’s still improving) for a gamble on a draft pick (a very young draft pick)? Having Gay wouldn’t suck and might make a move with Ray’s contract understandable but that’s one hell of a risk to take with PP and KG’s window lasting maybe 2 more years (3 tops).
Maybe
maybe something else may be in the works if Danny really wants the second pick. Is it possible he’s going for Thabeet instead?
I don't think it could be Thabeet...
I think the only player we have with enough value to land the #2 is Rubio, and in that case, we’d need a PG.
If Memphis bites on Perk for the #2, I could see Danny drafting Thabeet, but that seems like a fairly substantial downgrade to me.
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non-Rondo idea
sure, they are under the cap, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have bad salaries
what about a sign and trade of Big Baby and Bill Walker for Marco Jaric and the pick?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
That wouldn't work...
“Base Year Compensation” rules would prevent that deal, as BBD’s salary would only count as 50% of its actual value from Boston’s end when making salaries “match”.
Also, I don’t think that’s nearly enough value for the pick.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
?
Other than BBD not being enough value for the pick, if Memphis is under the cap currently and remains under the cap when taking in BBD’s new contract, do salaries still have to match? I thought we’d be able to send them any salary if they remained under the cap.
Nope
Let’s say we sign-and-trade BBD for $4 million per season.
That means, as outgoing salary, his deal is worth $2 million from Boston. Bill Walker’s deal is $736,420. That means we’re sending out $2,736,420 in salary.
Jaric makes $6,575,000. That’s the amount we’d be taking back, meaning that we’re not even close to being within 125% + $100k of one another.
Memphis doesn’t have to worry about incoming and outgoing salary, because it is far enough under the cap. However, Boston does.
The only way that a sign-and-trade works involving those three players is if we literally sign BBD for $9 million in his first year.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
can we
add Scal’s deal to make the salaries work?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Yes...
Scal’s salary would even the salaries. I don’t see a huge incentive for them, but in terms of the CBA, it would work.
I don’t think BBD has any trade value, honestly. If Memphis wants him, they’ll just offer him a full MLE deal in free agency, I think (or a deal worth slightly more than the MLE in year 3+).
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thank Roy
thanks for the clarification — forgot we have to worry about the incoming. dopey me.
I like your idea much better
I like the BBD angle but I’m not sure he’d get the #2 pick even with Jaric’s lousy contract.
If possible, I’d like to keep Walker. Maybe we can sell them on Pruitt or TA/Scal (hope they love expiring deals).
There should be a rule that each team can only fleece Chris Wallace once every five years.
by papa shuttlesworth on Jun 9, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
only reason
to kick the tires is because Memphis might be desperate to get rid of the pick because of Rubio’s buyout situation
but I still don’t see a logical trade that makes sense for both sides
maybe Wallace is just relying on old friend Danny to drive up the price for other teams looking to trade up in the draft
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Probably...
Maybe it´s just part of a three-way-deal, or maybe it´s not about Memphis #2 pick, but Memphis #2 PG?
Anyway, I´d take this rumour with a (grain / bag) of salt, Celticsfans.
ugh... another Rondo rumor
So we trade a young proven player with a Championship ring, soon to be All Star, for an unknown…?
Unless all this is just Boston playing mind games with Rondo because that’s the most effective way to get in his head?
To me what makes more sense is going for the 27th or 36th pick, and going for Chris Johnson. I think we have more than enough to offer them something to move up to there. Memphis is so young, they don’t need those three picks.
not a bad idea
I’ve thrown that idea out there in the forums that Danny might be able to move TA or Scal to a team under the cap for a late first rounder. It would save that team from taking on a rookie with guaranteed money that probably wouldn’t be able to contribute this year based on the weak draft prospects. TA would be worth a flyer to them—maybe a new city gets him back to ‘good TA’ and he’s worth more than the draft prospect.
TA won’t be helping us next year so it’s worth a call to Memphis.
Memphis is light at the one and four spots. If the money is too rich regarding BBD, I could see him being shopped to play the four at Memphis. But given that Doc doesn’t want to play rookies, whomever we got in the draft isn’t going to play. So again, moving up to the late first round with Memphis is much more doable.
Knowing Chris Wallace...
It wouldnt surprise me if it was the draft rights to Erden for the no 2….
Chris Wallace
This will be a fly by night rumor nothing really makes sense for us to get a No.2 pick on a veteratn team built to win now. To bring in a rookie pg at this stage of our ballclub would not make much sense unless we are looking to rebuild. No matter how talented Rubio is. The only way I look at this scenerio if Rudy Gay is invloved somehow with that No.2pick. Lets say Rondo,T.A. or BBD we get Gay,Rubio and sign Jason Kidd or Andre Miller for MLE have Rubio come off the bench and learn the game behind a veteran pg and we still have Ray pierce and throw Gay into the mix and sign another vetran big man Mcdyss for LLE.Now would Mr.Wallace do that? Let’s see wasn’t he the guy who traded Pau Gasol for a bag of balls and a cup of coffee
I don’t think Memphis would trade the #2 pick for Rajon Rondo.
by Who on Jun 9, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they would...
Rondo is a star-caliber player, at a position of need. How many of those will Memphis get the chance to land, with their terrible team, terrible city (most dangerous city in the U.S., according to the FBI), etc.?
However, I do agree that nothing will come of this rumor. Still, these things are fun to debate theoretically.
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Rubio
Rubio does look pretty awesome. I’ve never seen anyone make passes like that. And he seem to compete against the Redeem team.
With many years of professional european and olympic competition – maybe he’s a little more mature than most rookies and is ready to lead now?
Rondo is a future all star, but if Rubio is a future MVP – maybe pull the trigger? I trust Ainge on this one.
i trust danny
danny is not afraid to shake things up.he will not stand pat .the big three all had some type of injury this year and they are not getting younger.i believe no one is untradable on the team.if its true about rondos attitude its going to get worse not better.now would be the time to trade him while his value is high.you want a player that is coachable,has a good attitude,and a good work ethic.one thing with danny its always interesting during the draft and free agency.
Memphis is Set at PG
Memphis is set at pg with Mayo and Conley and does not need Rondo. In fact, the reason they are shopping the second pick is that none of the available players is a fit. The logical #2 in this draft is Rubio, and he would make them even more guard heavy. They could select Thrabeet, but Mark Gasol was a very effective player for them and Thrabeet is a project with no offensive skills.
Chris Wallace has actually done a nice job of cleaning up the bad contracts in Memphis- much better job than Jordan in Charlotte. The one bad contract Memphis has left is Jaric, and I’m sure that a team trading for the pick would have to take him as well, plus pony up the 3 million in cash.
I don’t really see any realistic possibilities for a trade with Boston given the Griz’ current payroll structure.
From what I heard...
… they like Rubio as a player, but he’s sending out signals that he won’t play there. Who knows.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Exactly if he won't play for them they have to trade the pick for something.....
so I’m sure Ainge called. I don’t think we have the right pieces to offer. Unless it was a three way trade, then Ray’s contract could be leveraged into some serious assets.
Signals?
After both Gasol bros and JC Navarro’s experience in Memphis, Rubio is not going to Memphis for sure, no way he leaves Spain to play for the Grizzlies.
I can't believe it'd be Rondo for the #2
…not that it’s so easy to figure out what else it would be. Also, I can’t see Doc signing off on bringing in a starting rookie point guard. I’d say it’s got to be either Memphis floating the rumor to see what they could get for bids on the pick, or else it’s another shockingly bad Chris Wallace deal—and Danny figures if Chris is going to make a bad deal it might as well be one the C’s gain from.
Also, trading Rondo with the risk that somehow Rubio is taken at #1 doesn’t make much sense either. I think Danny’d have to be happy with either of two top players, which as likely would be for one of the two bigs instead.
If Rubio were the number one pick the C's would be estatic
Blake Griffin is going to be a very good big for a long time. His floor is Andrew Bogut in my opinion, who is a quality center when healthy.
They'd be thrilled with Griffin...
…but trade Rondo for him? When next year is their last real window from the Big 3 formation? Doc’d have to be way happier with Marbury than he’s been letting on.
I don't like foreign born players.
Only a handful have ever worked out…
If this is a Rondo for Rubio deal I swear I will stop watching.
What do you mean by handful?
Sabonis, Manu, Dirk, Kukoc, Parker, Nocinoni, Scola, Bogut, Yao Ming, Bole, Mutombo, Deng, Big Z, Calderon, both Gasol brothers, Okur, and Turk all just popped into my head.
All can play in the NBA, stop it with the foreign born BS. If you can ball you can ball, doesn’t matter where you are from.
lol
um… so should I list all the US born players that dont have rings? A good player is a good player. It’s not there fault Shaq and Jordan were born in the US.
meaning that foreign players up to this point have not successfully been used as the cornerstone for a franchise. the closest you get is Dirk…
Dirk and Yao are certainly cornerstones
Winning a title is a poor definition for a franchise or even HoF player.
Elgin Baylor didn’t get a ring, same for Barkley, Stockton, Malone, and the list goes on.
Partially
Players who have multiple rings with multiple teams (Horry, DJ, Rodman etc) deserve to be there. It’s no coincidence that they won everywhere they were. Champions are champions.
by Finkelskyhook on Jun 9, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
DJ and Horry better than Dirk/Yao/Baylor/Malone?
Come on. There is something to be said about championship contributors and role players but talent is talent.
It’s a lot easier to be a champion when you’re the fourth best or fifth best player when you’re the number one or two.
Posey has more rings than Garnett after all (for now!)
greatest PF of all time
I don't mean foreign born to be insulting but...
They play in softer leagues and become Youtube sensations and get surrounded by all this hype.
Also, half of your list is comprised of peopel I would not trade Rondo for.
I picture Rubio being the next Rono Leni Ukic or Jasikevicious…
BUST
by rickyfan3.0... on Jun 9, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You said "worked out"
I named plenty of quality NBA players just off the of my head.
Hold your silly biases while you can. The game is going global, the US does not have a monopoly on athletic talent.
for the most part recent highly regarded foreign players have been busts, Bogut is a fairly underacheiving #1 pick, Bargnani is a bust, Tskita sucked, Chairman sucked, Maciej Lampe sucked, that guy from the Clips was brutal, Gallinari and Joe Alexander were by far the worst members of last years top 10 picks, and both learned their games overseas…
If thats the list you have for the last decade or so, having Turkoglu, Okur and Nocioni as main success stories isnt that encouraging
Dont' Forget
That the “Redeem” team actually exists, because the USA was LOSING to foreign teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_players_by_country
And what guy from the Clips? Kaman? He’s a walking double double.
what about
Hakeem? Vlade? Pedja? 2 time MVP Steve Nash? Pau Gasol is about to win a title, Rick Smits,…the list is never ending.
Exactly I listed all the foreign players I could think of
off the tip of my tongue. Bob just provided a few more.
There are way more American high draft picks that have been busts, so your argument is silly.
Hakeem and Nash played in American systems in college. What did Vlade ever do besdies flop around and get traded for Kobe? I dont remember any David Robinson’s or Shaq’s?
Rik Smits was a soft Euro center who got destroyed by Shaq…He was a 7’3 finesse player who epitomizes the reason that they can’t get it done
Sabonis was huge but his style of play didnt translate to winning in the NBA. True he was very old and a shadow of his former self before he got here, but there has to be something said for the fact that finesse european big men dont get the job done over here.
Same with their point guards. Their wing players seem to be the best suited for american basketball with their style of play.
Also international basketball rules attempt take away the main strength of American basketball versus international in the fact that the trapezoidal lane prevents power players from getting deeper post position. That is one reason why America struggles in international play, although that is dependent on if you want to call this year’s Olympics struggling
Sabonis had a style that won a ton of games
He only started in the NBA at age 31 and he was very very effective while he was here.
You’re making huge generalizations about “style” and ignoring the large list of players I brought up.
you're forgetting
that Shaq is Irish!
Just because Shaq existed – and made it impossible for some other guys to win, does make them unworthy of every playing in the NBA.
Just because they didnt win the title, doesn’t mean they should never come play in the states, and become all stars.
I guess the Lakers should send Gasol back to the Spain, because they’re never going to be able to win with him.
Aren't trade discussions more fun than winning?
I bet blog viewership goes way up when the Celtics are in the midst of the rumor mill.
I heard the line “The Celtics fans would rather talk about trading for Garnett, than actually have him” and I think its true
It would be strange to trade Rondo for Rubio...
This rumor is interesting though, I wonder where it will lead, but it would be too much of a gamble to trade Rondo for a promising young point guard. All the conditions you put on the forum would have to be true, Roy, and I don’t see it happening, but who knows…
Where there is smoke, there is fire
I find it very interesting that Rondo’s name keeps popping up. Although at times he is terrific, I can sense that Danny might have some lingering doubts about him. I do remember he was wiling to kill the Garnett deal if McHale insisted on getting Rondo. Maybe he has changed his tune.
Danny is probably more stubborn than Rondo
I don’t think he changes his tune. For example, Danny probably still thinks Tony Allen is worthwhile.
Rondo's name didn't necessarily come up...
That’s speculation by Celtics fans.
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Rondo's name keeps popping up
from the trade ideas generated by the members of this blog, not from the front office
Where there is smoke, there is fire
I find it very interesting that Rondo’s name keeps popping up. Although at times he has been terrific, maybe Danny has some lingering doubts. I do remember that Danny was willing to kill the Garnett trade if McHale insisted on getting Rondo. Maybe Danny has changed his tune.
Hate Chris Wallace!
This moron gave Gasol {and perhaps multiple championships} to LA….for Kwame Brown!
Would you still hate him
if he gave us the 2nd pick for a bag of chips?
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jun 9, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
thabeet
I think Danny would be after Thabeet, not Rubio, and wouldn’t give up Rondo. Maybe Perk, Davis (re-signed) and other pieces, and take back a yucky contract.
doubt it
trading anyone in the starting lineup for a draft pick seems a bit silly to me
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
why would BBD do that?
I dont understand why everyone thinks they can trade BBD when he’s a free agent. There’s the complicatins of a sign an trade with a huge increase in salary for on thing. Plus – but he’s going to pick where he plays. He’s not just going to let Ainge pick for him.
and
If mephis wanted BBD, they could just sign him, they dont need to do a trade.
This isnt a max contract thing where the BBD is trying to get the most salary that only the C’s can offer and agrees to a sign and trade – since mephis can just outright sign him.
win as is
Doesn’t make much sense. This is a team that pushed the Eastern Conference Champions to the brink, and thats with a power forward depth chart consisting of Glen Davis and Brian Scalabrine. Not to mention the fact that we had no back up swing man. The fact the team got to a game 7 against a health Magic team is impressive in its own right. Sign a decent big man and swing man, come back rested with a healthy KG and this team is fully capable of winning a championship, especially with the growth of both Rondo and Perk next year. If it doesn’t happen, then Ray Allen’s 18 million comes off the books and the C’s become players in the 2010 free agent sweepstakes, maybe bringing back old friend Joe Johnson.
Trading a proven commodity for an unproven commodity seems dumb...
I could maybe be convinced to do a Rondo for Baron/ #1 type deal.
that's interesting...
Rondo’s career would be ruined. We’d need a strong back up PG for baron. But I’d do that – hard to make it work financially and I dont see the clips doing it. I think they’re going to the safest thing possible and Dunleavey loves the OK kid .
Conley might be involved
Maybe the deal is Rondo + BBD for Conley + #2 pick. If the salaries don’t work we could always add a Giddens or Scal or Tony. Why would Memphis kick in Conley? Well with an all-star guard like Rondo on your team, not enough minutes to satisfy Conley as a backup , especially since Mayo plays the 1 as well. BBD fills an area of need too.
Rondo
Mayo
Gay
BBD
Gasol
Yeah, Conley has to be a part of it.
You get Conley and the #2 and then you’re in business. I’d probably not even take Rubio. I’d try to trade down. You could possible get Jason Thompson and the #4 for the #2 and fill the backup big man spot (or, at least, get Nocioni).
Although, I think Conley and the #2 is a lot to give up for Rondo so I’m not sure why Memphis does it. It sounds like one of those rumors that will never work out because the C’s will want more than the Grizz will be willing to give up. Houston has decent young talent and McGrady’s gigantic expiring deal. They seem more likely to be able to get a deal that works.
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sounds more reasonable, but
still, I don’t know why you make a deal to shift pieces around like that
with this trade idea, we get Rubio or Thabeet and a reasonable talent at PG
Rondo (I feel) has as much upside as Rubio or Thabeet and he’s a proven commodity to be at least near-all-star level. So the upside of a deal like this is gaining Conely and the downside is that the pick doesn’t work out and you lose one of your best players.
I’ll pass
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Danny's object of desire wouldn't be Rubio
If a trade goes down and Rondo goes for the number 2 and then there’s some other player movement, I say the player Ainge drafts, in a surprise, is Thabeet. Rubio might be held up due to his buyout situation and I’m not convinced Danny gives an 18 year old PG the reigns to the team when he’s seen how unrealistic it is to have young PGs run teams rightaway(Telfair, Rondo, West).
No, Ainge would move Rondo, bring in Andre Miller and then draft Thabeet. If Thabeet then turns into something special, there’s no reason to extend Perk at huge money, and he becomes a huge trading asset in a year or two, possibly.
Rubio makes zero sense for this team.
I agree with Nick
I think it’d be for Thabeet. The chance to draft a 7’3 center that defends the basket well comes along only so often. Andre Miller is a pg with very good offensive skills, and can also dish it out as shown when he was in Denver.
What does established NBA player mean
unless its a sign and trade i dont see how its powe or bbd because they are both free agents To me its either Ray allen as a possible package that might involve one of gasol mayo or gay something like that or if rondos the guy odviously we take rubio but my guess is its probably perk and we take thabeet thats what i hope it is but i dont wanna get rid of perk either what i really want is thabeet as backup center. Cant be Paul or KG I dont see anyone else on this roster that if i were the memphis griz ownership i would be willing to give the #2 pick for im not even sure id give it up even in a week draft for perk i would like to know more i hope its not rondo gay as a replacement for ray aint 2 shabby its a downgrade but him and thabeet as perks backup looks nice but salaries dont match up unless you want rubio to backup rondo which is also a need
Of Course You Want Rubio
He’s going to be a superstar.
But so what? Memphis does not want another guard, whether it’s Rondo or Rubio. Memphis needs a big strong pf— a Carlos Boozer type. Other teams have more to offer for the second pick than Boston.
A three team trade could be a possibility, however.
What Danny Wants
…is Rubio. Like Frank said, he is going to be a superstar. Danny wants him like he wanted Durant 2 years ago. Can he get him? That’s another story…..
What if there is a third team??
Probably nothing more than some wishful thinking brought about by access to the ESPN trade machine, but what if Miami really wants the #2 pick and are for whatever reason willing/looking to part with Wade?
If that were the case, do the Ray Allen and Rondo rumors seem to make a little more sense?
Ray, Rudy and #2 pick to Miami, Dwade to Boston, Rondo and Miami’s pick to Memphis as a starting point for the deal? Any thoughts?
now that's an eye-popping maneuver.
I think I’d pull the trigger on that one real quick
Sadly, neither Memphis or Miami would...
Especially not Miami.
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they wouldn't
but I would which makes it a moot point but praise Danny if he gets that inventive and pulls it off.
Doesn't make sense
Bringing in an overseas rookie point guard when your franchise mentality is “win now”?
I like Rubio and under different circumstances I’d consider it but this isn’t happening. Not by a long shot.
"win forever"
I dont want to “win now” – I want to win forever.
Making moves so we dont have to rebuild, but rather reload is ideal.
If Ainge sees a franchise player, he’s going to go for it.
sounds great
can we clone KG? that would do the trick
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
win forever
there is no better mentality to have.
You guys are just assuming it's Rondo
Maybe it’s JR Giddens ;)
Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown
Ricky Rubio for JR Giddens
Doesn’t seem that much worse…
I agree
Not with the Giddens part. Why does it need to be Rondo, what about Ray? I’ll try to come up with a viable trade with Ray and post it.
Nobody is going to get Rubio’s hype and intense scouting and turn out to be a bust unless he develops health issues.
Isn't that what people said about Darko?
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No, they really didn’t. In fact, Darko had little Euroleague experience, having played almost exclusively on cadet teams. But for one six game stretch in the 2006 FIBA world championships, he played well for Serbia Montenegro, including one game where he outplayed Pau Gasol. Those 6 games earned him the #1 pick.
Rubio, in contrast, led the Euroleague in steals at age 16. He has been outstanding in both Euroleague and Olympic play for the past two years. There is a much more extensive body of work on which to base a judgment.
And he’s as good defensively as he is offensively. That’s what sets Rubio apart from most of the other European backcourt players who have come over.
See, that's just blatantly not true...
I remember reading various media accounts — one SI article in particular — hyping Darko, talking about how he was already playing against grown men as an 18 year old, etc.
Both players got a ton of hype. Both players were intensely scouted. Both were billed by many as a “sure thing”. Rubio may turn out to be a great player, but it will have absolutely nothing to do with his hype / scouting, etc.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
I share Brickowski’s recollection of events prior to Darko’s pick — Darko was barely playing for his club team and scouts had seen very little game action from him at the highest level. A lot of the scouting was based on practices and workout sessions. Darko was on the team but barely playing for his team prior to the draft.
There's a difference between performance and hype...
Darko was plenty hyped leading up to the draft.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Oh absolutely, sorry, maybe I have misread Brickowski’s comment — I thought he was trying to say Rubio has already proven his quality on the court, and justified the hype at high levels (ACB, European leagues, Olympics), while Darko never did.
That Darko was all hype, in contrast, Rubio has built his reputation on the back of his performances at the highest levels.
No way.
I think Allen could be dealt and Odom signed.
by The Real Large James 2 on Jun 9, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Question
I just went on the espn trade checker and it said that we had trade exceptions of around 750k from Cassell and O’Bryant is this true? Looking at there roster they have two bad contracts in Marco Jaric and Darko
this is sheer insanity
There’s no way that we do any of the following:
1) Trade Rondo in any package for the #2 pick
2) Trade for the #2 pick and select Rubio who basically will be a career backup behind Rondo
There is nothing that we could offer Memphis other than an out and out fleecing (like BBD and chumps) that would land us the #2 pick. Can we just kill this rumor now?
maybe
Maybe Rondo should show up earlier than a half hour before play off games…and he wouldn’t be on the trading blog.
Be more accurate
It was one game.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Two, I think
I think Rondo showed up close to game-time for two separate playoff games, or so the reports said.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Game 1 of Orlando
That’s the only time it was reported, and that was by the TV guys. I’d appreciate some links if you can find them, Roy…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 9, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Game 7, too
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=28238.msg490660#msg490660
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Thanks Roy, I didn't catch that when it happened
Rondo was 20 minutes late to the biggest game of the season (assuming he’s supposed to be there at least 1.5 hours before tipoff).
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe we should stop jumping to character conclusions?
Is there anything in his past to suggest that he was out roller skating an hour before playoff games? Or is it more likely that one of the hundreds of reasons why one of us could be late for work happened to him too?
I'm not going to presume I know what happened with Rondo...
because I obviously don’t know and I’m not going to speculate. I’ll just say that I went to 3 playoff games this postseason – and I got to game 5 of the Orlando series just minutes before tip off (even though I was aiming to get there much, much earlier because I love to watch the shoot around at the floor level before I get ushered back up to my balcony seats). Why was I late, even though I paid more than I could afford for playoff tickets? Because there was a fire on the subway and I had to walk around forever before I found a cab. So I was late to 33% of my playoff games. Weird things happen. How many games has Rondo been on time? It’s certainly not 100%, but how can you hold a couple of games against him when things just happen, because that’s life?
Well he’s clashed with coaches before making the jump to the pros. In high school he was suspended most of his freshman and parts of his sophomore seasons. During his second year at Kentucky, Tubby Smith resorted to benching him six games to get through to him. It’s rumored to be one of the reasons he dropped as far as he did in the draft.
And sure, kids will be kids, but there, at the very least, continue to be casual remarks from Rivers and Ainge regarding his stubbornness. And besides the late arrivals in the Orlando series, it’s also public knowledge that he missed the team photo this year.
But yes, all likely over blown. And more dissected than all of T.A.’s far more worrying off court troubles. But then this is just the long shadow of the possible max offer in his future.
by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 9, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not surprised that Rubio is one of Ainge's infatuations.
A lot of people (Jeff included!) willing to break up the Big Three, but nobody wants to deal Rondo for Rubio? Or johnnyrondo’s even more palatable idea of Conley and the #2 for Rondo and supporting cast.
by The Walker Wiggle on Jun 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
RR
Danny has a thing for point guards with initials RR. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rudy Gay plays into this somehow.
Smoke...meet Fire
A rondo for rubio trade with a pg signing of kidd or andre miller or bibby would be a calculated play for the 2010 FA market too. That’s if they’d be willing to do a one year thing.
The team would still be contending, renounce Ray, and then only have Perk, Pierce, Rubio, Garnett, small filler on the cap…wouldn’t we then be able to offer a max contract to Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh, Dirk? And wouldn’t we be one of the most appealing destinations with Garnett and Pierce?
Kicking the tires indeed.
Jeff put it best, this is nothing more than ‘Danny being Danny’ (ugh), and simply asking how much it costs to be in play.
Maybe it went as far as Danny telling Chris Wallace that he’d be more than happy to help out with the expires (Tony and Scal, not so much Ray) in a 3 team scenario if he could get #27 and/or #36 in return, which seems to be prime real estate in the draft for Danny anyway.
Still though, with an injury-assisted early exit from the playoffs it’s fun to throw these rumors around to pass the time I guess.
Rubio
I would trade Rubio for Rondo. Rubio is a proven winner and Rondo hasn’t won anything.
Troll?
I have been here for like 6 years, and Dobbs I was joking. Rondo obviously has won something … a championship.
well, lots of rumors is really goood for Celticsblog, lets keep em coming and until one thing actually gets done, id just sit and wait, interesting though atleast because on draft night, atleast many of us would really get ourselves glued as to what Danny would do, will he or won’t he trade for Rubio?…..I tend to agree though that for sure, Memphis won’t stand pat and just draft at the #2 spot, they will be active on draft night.
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Give us the Pick for Glen Davis
Memphis SHOULD give us the pick for Glen Davis via Sign and Trade.
Don’t laugh.
They gave the Lakers Pau Gasol for pretty much NOTHING.
We are offering them a little bit of something and all we are asking for is an unproven #2 pick. It’s a better deal.
Chris Wallace owes us on this one.
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