Tony Allen Confidence Check
I'm having fun with polls lately so I thought I'd attempt to quantify just how far Tony Allen has fallen in the eyes of fans.
Allen started out as a promising prospect but has battled injuries and inconsistency his whole career. He was supposed to pick up some of the slack for losing James Posey but that never happened. He's had a number of opportunities to prove his worth but when the playoffs rolled around, he was seldom used. I have to wonder if he's even part of the plan moving forward.
What do you think?
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Somewhat -
He has shown flashes of supreme athleticism and great ability but he’s also shown flashes of sheer stupidity and sloppy stylings.
Tony is a role player, but can be helpful nonetheless
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
by mcpu40 on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
43 points
Cmon Celtics fans always remember TA for his alley oop dunk in Game 6 2008 NBA Finals. We were up 43 points at that point. I really wanted us to win by 50 all we had to do is hit 1 3 and 2 more shots and the final score could have looked like this Celtics 137 Lakers 87. I wonder if Hollinger would rank the Lakers #1 after a score like that. Oh well, maybe we can crush them by 100 in the 2010 Finals.
by star18 on Jul 10, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you act like winning by 39 wasnt good enough, yet it was the biggest margain of victory in an NBA finals clinching game…..
i find this amusing
by orr on Jul 10, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None -
he has runs of promies, but then gets injured….. just to many injuries to but considered consistent.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
by RJ87 on Jul 10, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had enough of Tony. I hope he gets traded this year.
Welcome to Boston Rasheed!
by C's09Champs on Jul 10, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Court sense and savvy are what Tony doesn’t show. Granted he has been injured and was put in games in bad circumstances, he still should have done better. But if the price is right and there is an open spot in the roaster, I will keep him.
by 33-32-00 on Jul 10, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
World Champs
I’ll tell you what. I have the 2007-08 Boston Celtics World Champion DVD. On the back is a picture of the Champs. Right next to Bill Rusell and to the left of John Havlicek is a man wearing a #42 Boston Celtics Jersey with his finger in the air as a champion signaling that his team is #1. His name is Tony Allen. I will never have anything negative to say about TA. If you want a better player on the team that is a different story, but as long as he wears the green and white the man is a champion. .
by star18 on Jul 10, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I remember of Tony
Is how awesome he was playing right before he got hurt in January 07. He was playing amazing, and he was keeping our team respectable, and his injury was the final straw that lead to that horrendous losing streak. If we were to ever that Tony back the money we put into him would be a steal, but unfortunately it’s not looking to great for him right now with us. But even if that happens he’ll still need to learn to shoot to get a lot of minutes on this team, not too likely at this point of his career…
We shouldn’t rely on him going into the season, but he’s a high reward player to have on the end of the bench…I dont see him getting traded as i dont think we’d get anything really, so let’s hope for the best
by Reggae Ball on Jul 10, 2009 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember that Tony the best too
It demonstrated that Tony needs more minutes to be effective; he has trouble coming off the bench and getting into the flow of the game. This is most unfortunate because I don’t know if any team in this league would give him a starting role. Lowly teams like the Griz and the Clips already have wing players who are better (and generally younger). A related issue with Tony is that since his playing time has been so limited the past few years, he comes into the game and tries to do too much, possibly as a means to prove himself, and that’s when the bone-headed plays start happening.
All that said, Tony does have a few good NBA-level qualities. He is more than an “above-average” defender; he is quite excellent one-on-one. He drives to the hoop with no fear whatsoever, and when he does get fouled, he generally makes his free throws at a high percentage. Tony is also a better passer than many give him credit for. These are skills that will keep him in the league (especially the defense) but probably not with the Celtics.
I predict that Tony and Scal will be traded together as expiring contracts before the trade deadline. That $5-6 million will be valuable to a team eyeing the 2010 FA sweepstakes.
by Surferdad on Jul 10, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony is still the best perimeter defender we have. doc definitely misused him late in the season, not giving him time when he should have and throwing him into late game situations without givinh him warmup minutes
his upside benefits us more than his downside brings us down. he knows his role on the team and doesnt headcase as much and if it wasnt for the injury, he would be a pretty dam good role player
still one of my favorite celtics and will support him his entire career
by wyldkard on Jul 10, 2009 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tony being the best perimter defender we have is a joke
sorry but this legend of him being a good defender is a joke, he isnt a better perimeter defender then paul pierce or KG, and heck hes so dumb hes not any better then ray allen or rondo
by orr on Jul 10, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true...
Tony is an EXCELLENT perimeter defender. His lack of basketball IQ on the offensive end doesnt effect his ability to size up an opponents weaknesses on the defensive end and exploit them.
He has tirelessly worked and frustrated more than one skilled scorer, and takes the challenge personally, taking great pride in making a stop much like perk does.
I have always been a Tony sympathizer. If he could become more efficient on the offensive end (practice corner 3’s or something), and limit the turnovers, then he could still prove an asset to this team.
Doc could help put Tony in better positions offensively by limiting how much he handles the ball. I do this with kids i coach that struggle with decision making. Give him simple reads or put him on the backside of plays spotting up. Give him the green light on any kick out, or anything with the clock under 8 seconds…
by cordialb on Jul 10, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His lack of basketball IQ on the offensive end doesnt effect his ability to size up an opponents weaknesses on the defensive end and exploit them.
But it does affect his ability to keep his footing against pump-fakes and avoid lunging out of position or committing a bad foul.
-sw
"I didn't go there with the intentions of getting ejected. I went there with the intentions of just telling Kobe, 'You got to relax. You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?'" -Ron Artest, 05.06.09
by Steve Weinman on Jul 10, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!!
It’s two things that he hasn’t been able to get over – 1. On O dribbles to ball off his foot, 2. Suckered by more upfakes than any other player – that convinces me that if he hasn’t eliminated those tendencies by now, he won’t ever get it.
He is a good 1 on 1 defender, UNLESS its an inbounds play. He’s slow setting up and prone to the slight head turn.
Then there’s the electric drives to basket, good where-did-that-come-from passes, and super defensive minutes that makes you want for more
by Wildblu1 on Jul 10, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not surprised by the current voting result – I have seen nearly all Celtics-Games last season and very often Tony did something stupid on the court – I would trade him for another player – but this player must have the strong defense of him or you will have a deficit against strong shouting guards.
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
by greenmech on Jul 10, 2009 4:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Done with him
Allen needs too much playing time to contribute on any kind of level, and we literally don’t have the time for him. It’s all or nothing, and the “all” is never guaranteed. So why bother? If we could upgrade by packaging him, fine with me. If not, let him ride the pine. I do know we need depth at that position, and I guess he represents some of that. But not enough.
Buh-bye…
by Big_Easy on Jul 10, 2009 6:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is tits on a bull
Tony plays above average defense. But his offensive game is so putrid he couldn’t even sniff floor time on a team that desperately needed a reserve wing. He has no handle, no IQ, no shot, he over dribbles, he is a poor passer and he forces.
His injuries have taken their toll on him and he has not seemed to regain his confidence. He looks unsure out there and it seems like he does bonehead things because of it. The C’s need a player that can come in, know their role and get the job done. Tony can’t do that.
Beyond that he has needed a jumpshot since he came into the league. I don’t know if it is lack of skill or lack of practice but he still doesn’t have it. If he had figured it out he probably would have a place on the roster.
Threads like these make me thankful Kevin did Danny a solid. I couldn’t imagine a roster of rondo/ta/gerald/al/perk with gomes and dwest on the bench. We’d be the Clippers of the East.
by jasail33 on Jul 10, 2009 6:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He hustles, he tries...
But, he has the lowest basketball IQ one can imagine.
by Title 18 on Jul 10, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can say i lost some cofidence in tony, but i think tony lost some confidence in himself. i agree he won’t get the time he needs to be better and seems like the classic case of a guy who needs new surroundings to succeed.
by nazzbo on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zero...
… or, if there’s anything less than zero, I pick that.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto.
He simply is too basketball dumb to ever help a winning NBA team.
He cannot be discarded fast enough to suit me.
by CoachBo on Jul 10, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an unprecedented event...
…make it three of us. Well, maybe not entirely unprecedented.
On the court, off the court, I’ve had enough.
-sw
"I didn't go there with the intentions of getting ejected. I went there with the intentions of just telling Kobe, 'You got to relax. You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?'" -Ron Artest, 05.06.09
by Steve Weinman on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no more
I used to be the biggest TA supporter here — even going so far to say he could replace PP during TA’s ‘leap’ period so that PP could be used to bring in some top-talent youth — but in the past year and a half, he’s been a huge disappointment. He hasn’t gotten back to anywhere near the level of play he previously showed. The first year back I gave him benefit of the doubt to get confidence in his knee but since then, he just hasn’t shown much.
At this point, I feel his biggest value is as an expiring deal that will be used in combination with Veal (and maybe House and/or Pruitt) to bring in a quality bench player or 2. I just don’t see him getting court time this year.
by slamtheking on Jul 10, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if I have to see this guy in green again and his annoying squinting faces, i might actually get sick
by orr on Jul 10, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BBIQ Isn't the Issue
You can knock TA for several things (e.g. inconsistency), but BBIQ isn’t one of them. He knows the plays and doesn’t blow rotations. And he’s a decent passer who knows where his teammates are.
Tony’s problems are (1) his brain gets ahead of his body—knows what he wants to do, but sometimes leaves the ball behind— and (2) he is a bad fit for Rivers’ offense.
Tony could be quite a good player on some other team, particularly an up tempo team, but not in Boston. Ainge would be doing him a service by trading him.
by Brickowski on Jul 10, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A LOT more to basketball IQ than that.
His judgment with the basketball is atrocious. His attention span is as short as any adult basketball player I’ve ever seen. And I disagree – strongly – about his ability to handle rotations.
One of the basketball dumbest NBA players I’ve ever seen, as was Gerald Green.
by CoachBo on Jul 10, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Confidence is the issue
Before his major knee injury, TA was the leader of the team with Pierce on the sidelines. For a few weeks he was the player many thought he could be on a consistent basis.
I don’t think this is the kind of guy that reacts well to constantly looking over his shoulder at his coach. He needs consistent minutes to produce. That said, perhaps he would better off somewhere else with a fresh start. Rivers has no faith in him.
by dean nardi on Jul 10, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony's A Tease
TA’s been a tease since he’s been here. It’s all about potential with TA and I think we’ve had enough. It’s time to let him go. I’d rather see Walker and Giddens get TA’s minutes. They also have potential, but they haven’t played enough to even be a tease. Based on what I saw of Giddens in last years pre-season I’d go with him. I think he’s more solid than Walker. Walker has the athleticism that TA had, but he really hasn’t shown much else in the little time we’ve seen him. I’d rather have Scals on the floor over Walker. Scals can defend even though he’s not athletic. And if he shoots the three consistently it’s no contest. So I would like to see TA and Walker out and Scals in and Giddens given a chance.
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by TrueGreen on Jul 10, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the idea that if Hill lands here, Tony gets crafted as a defensive specialist
coming in to guard the stronger players that Hill can’t handle.
If Hill doesn’t come here, Tony may be part of a larger trade to bring in who will likely be a younger, more defensive-capable swingman than Hill. I think they think they’ve got BB in the bag, Swift is an adequate 5th big, and a low-level FA can be their experienced bu point.
by clover on Jul 10, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m worried that any back up point guard they might bring in is likely to be vertically-challenged (proficient tall point guards are hard to come by). That means Doc would have to try playing Eddie House with this short point guard, and we already know that doesn’t always work too well in the playoffs. That’s why I’ve been desperately hoping Gabe Pruitt would finally show something.
by no kidding on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed--and I think Danny's hope at least (not sure about Doc) is that Pruitt shows enough
to be on the team and play in the rotation this year. Lue or whomever they end up with would only be veteran insurance in case Rondo goes down or Pruitt really doesn’t catch on. Pruitt should be a reasonable complement to House.
by clover on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect the only thing that might be able to help Allen is a change in scenery.
by no kidding on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Tony Allen should be traded, sorry sold ($3mil in cash for someone else to waive him), this offseason.
I think Tony’s a good player but he’s too large a risk for a title contending team. Too many injuries, too many inconsistent performances, and he needs more minutes than the C’s can offer him.
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