Celtics Targeting Jamario Moon?
by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 11, 2009 2:08 PM EDT
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There still are free agents who interest them - notably restricted free agent Jamario Moon, a younger player in the Hill mold. But the Celtics can’t afford Moon unless his price significantly drops.
Their best shot at anyone with a straight-up offer is the biannual exception.
A league source said yesterday the Celtics have investigated sign-and-trade possibilities with other teams - a scenario that could theoretically work in a move for Moon, who finished last season with Miami. The Celts also have expiring contracts of varying sizes to offer.
Last season, Moon averaged 7.2 points, 4.6 rebounds, and 35.5% three point shooting in 26.5 minutes per game between Toronto and Miami.
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i would be good with as long as the don't give up big baby
we need his girth off the bench
by celticinorlando on Jul 11, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Nice joke Title 18! :D
I would be glad if we could sign Moon, but I wouldn’t trade Big Baby for him.
wow
this would be way better then signing grant hill, as long as we keep BBD, not to mention it would open up roster space for powe and others.
Powe's return possible
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Powe back mid-season
I don’t see many sign and trade scenarios that would get us Moon that I like.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Does Dannny not like Barne as a player? I have never seen one report of Barnes being on his radar.
He’s much better defensive player and shooter for this team than Moon.
Ainge is to smart to get sucked into the Barnes trap
He is a OK fit for an uptempo running team. He has been terrible in a more traditional offense.
they had better sign somrbody and tthey need a pg
I cannot stress enough how important it is for Ainge to get a decent backup for Pierce. I do not trust Waller, Giddens, or Allen for that job. Just as important is a decent backup to Rondo. If he gets hurt or even when he leaves a game., the C’s usually are swimming in deep waters, hoping somehow to make it close enough to the shore until Rondo returns. In short, Rasheed is only part of the puzzle. There are still two more pieces to fit. No, Pruitt is not good enough either.
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no thanks
moon’s an inconsistent producer at the offensive end and a frequent liability on the defensive side.
if it’s coming to that i’d rather roll the dice with walker.
liability on the defensive side?
From what i’ve read and heard about moon says quite the opposite. If anything he’s an above average defender which is what makes him so appealing.
by beantownboy171 on Jul 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not all that excited about Moon – but he can defnitely play some D, and he might play better in this system.
He’d be an acceptable addition to the bench, and he’s significantly younger than Grant Hill which is good.
Wouldn’t be a bad move.
He plays D, but just the same he can get bullied by stronger SF’s. His length helps, but he has a tough time keeping strong players away from the basket.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He isn’t a better defender tha PP, not even close.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 11, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought your argument of him probably being a better defender than PP even more convincing. But who cares right?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 11, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How can the defensive gap be that big between the two? I said he is probably a better defender. This is a contemplative statement. You said “He isn’t a better defender than PP, not even close.” That is an attempt at a statement of fact. Therefore, you have to support your claim. Why do I spend half my time here teaching people about how to communicate in English?
You may have mentioned a contemplative statement, but it still alludes that Moon is pretty much as good as a defender as Pierce is. Sorry, you have to backup what you say yourself wether it’s a direct attempt at a statement of fact or not IF you’re going to exhort others to backup what they say. You can sugar coat your words, but the allusion you’re making is a claim that Moon is just as good as a defender as Pierce.
As it is, wether what I said was an attempt at statement of fact or not, I don’t need to support my claim. All you need to do is watch basketball. But, also you need to look up a couple of comments above and you’ll see that I mention that he has a tough time keeping strong players away from the basket. Wait, that’s another attempt at a statement of fact. Want me to support that too? Come on, people need to do their own research. Not everything can be supported without people watching games, analyzing players, and forming conclusions.
But Pierce is a better defender, hands down. He’s stronger, better footwork, good instincts, good at keeping players away from the basket, and can contest shots from anywhere on the floor. I doubt Moon can claim to do all those things (this is a contemplative statement right? then I don’t have to support it).
By the way, how big is the gap you’re imagining? Is it as big as the gap I was thinking of? Plus-minus 2 feet maybe?
Well, you can try and teach someone else how to communicate in English, I’m really not interested in it and am quite comfortable with my level in the language. Maybe someone else in here might be interested…. any takers?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 12, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Paul Pierce has some of the worst SF footwork in the NBA. Pierce can barely jump, how is he going to contest shots all over the floor? He’s one of the least athletic small forwards out there.
So the reason you don’t have to to back your claim up is because you don’t have to back your claim up…way to beg the question guy.
By the way, it’s generally understood that the more forceful someone’s claim is, the more inclined that person should be to back it up.
“Gap” does not refer to physical space, it refers to the difference in their defense abilities. Again, more English lessons. This time, nomenclature!
So now Pierce has one of the worst SF footwork in the NBA and can barely jump? Yeah, now I know not to take anything you say seriously. And if you thought I was serious about the gap thing, then I have some pity for you.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
His athletic ability is off the charts, something our team lacks.
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
The Celtics have hardly anything to offer in a sign and trade.
Expiring contracts? A team who’s looking to cut their payroll is willing to take back contracts that last another 12 months? How much long term salary would the C’s have to take back to make that worthwhile for someone?
Draft picks seem like the only useful asset available in a sign and trade.
Moon
Would be a very good pick up. He’s a starter on a bad team or a 7th/8th man on a very good team.
Not for Big Baby
We absolutely should not give up Davis to get Moon, not worth it.
by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Jul 11, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
i think grant hill would have been a much better fit in Green
Moon couldn’t crack the rotation in toronto or Miami
i'd take stackhouse before moon....
stackhouse would cost less money and we could use TA and scal for better tradeing chips…
by rayallen_35_24 on Jul 11, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"Crack the rotation"?
He played 80 games last year, made 60 starts, and averaged 25.9 minutes per game.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Except that when he wasn't hurt last season, which was rare,
he played like crap.
If we can get Moon, it would def be a good move for the bench.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I like the idea of getting Moon
Just don’t see it as very realistic. I think if we offer him the LLE, Miami will match.
That leaves sign and trades, and the only thing I can see Miami wanting from us in that scenario is Baby, in which case I’d pass. Seems an unlikely proposition.
pass by the moon
I watch a lot of raptors games, and while i like moon, i would not be giving him much hype overall, he would fit in nice for 7-10 mins a game, but don’t expect much other than off and on again jumpers and “decent” defensive effort….perhaps an inspired KG would help lift his ass up, but he has a tendency to be happy to float up and down the floor…. i’d hate to lose valuable draft picks for him in a S&T… if we got him for the LLE only or TA I would be happy…. he’s not bad, but he’s not good either….
Some of the opinions of Moon on here
are so off base. What do you expect for $1.9m? The guy can play solid defense, is very athletic, can run the floor like a demon, jumps like he’s on a pogo stick, and even added the threeball to his arsenal last year. Although not a pure shooter, he did go for 47/85/35% last year, and it looks like he’s figuring out how to make jumpers in the league.
The only downsides is that he’s not a great shooter, and is a little light and might be bodied by some power 3s. However, he has long arms and good athletic ability. He’s more of a 3/4 than a 2/3, which means House as SG if Giddens isn’t ready.
The other problem is that Miami has no multi-year contracts that they need to unload, and have no incentive to do an S+T, especially since whatever they take back in contracts gets doubled for luxtax. the smart move for them is to wait for him to have to take a BAE offer, and then match it.
Miami has a lot of wing players, and might not want to pay the $3.8m in total money to match an MLE offer. Miami might not match a BAE offer for more than one year because they want to have as much available caproom in FA summer 2010. Then, they only have $22m on the books, 9Wade, Beasley, Chalmers), and could actually sign TWO big time FAs to create their own Big 3 down in fashionable and state income tax free South Beach.
Bosh, JJ and Wade together? LeBron, Bosh, and Wade? Thinking that the extra free $1.9m might be the difference next summer, the heat might not match a BAE offer.
We wouldn't be offering the Biannual exception of $1.9m
We’d be doing a sign and trade – Moon is in the $5.7-6M range so we would have to trade Tony+Scal or some combo of Tony+Walker/Giddens/Pruitt
As long as it send out TA, I’m all for it…
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I don't think he's worth more than the MLE...
There’s no way Moon is worth as much as Ariza, etc.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
i'd take him for tony, pruitt, scal, walker
6’8…can jump out of the gym….sign me up
by celticinorlando on Jul 11, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
not all of those guys..a combo of 2...prefer tony and walker are the 2
by celticinorlando on Jul 11, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d probably do this one, though I think we should find someone better and hold off those assets till we find him.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 11, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i like moon a lot. he’s young, athletic, tall and a jumper for a 3. and uninjured. we need an old guy young guy balance for this team. please don’t give us stackhouse-he is aarp eligible and talk about a selfish player. the whole moon thing looks like a swap for bbd which then makes him more questionable.
young, athletic, tall, and a jumper does not make a good player. if he is to be a good backup for Pierce, he needs to be able to play defense against guys like Pierce, and he needs to be able put the ball in the hole a little bit. he may indeed be a good fit, but i’m concerned about him getting pushed around by strong 3’s like LBJ, Iguodala, etc. this is what made Posey such a good fit – he was big and strong enough to not get over-powered, and he could keep the defense honest with spot-up 3’s. Was also a savvy veteran that had won a ring before. the term “Power 3” is what i’d really like to see in a Pierce backup.
- JoeB
All-Star SFs get pused around by LBJ, Iguodala, ect.
We certainly aren’t going to get an elite SF defender with the BAE. I think some people are forgetting that a backup SF is usually only going to guard other backups.
Moon Isn't That Young
He’s one of those kids who got to the NBA the hard way: USBL, Europe,etc. He was 26 years old before he saw any NBA minutes.
But I like kids like that. They understand the value of hard work and don’t take anything for granted.
@ RJ87
Why in the world would Miami do a Sign and Trade with the Cs only to add a hodge podge of Scal, TA, Giddens, etc? Why will this team, already in luxury tax territory, spend $12m total in salary and tax for the pleasure of one year of Scal and TA?
I know an old saying: “Think before you post.” — especially if your post is correcting one of mine. Just because some idiot writer did a story speculating about a Miami S+T for Moon, doesn’t mean it is practical. Miami’s payroll is around $70m right now, and adding $6m of Scal and TA (doubled for luxtax) isn’t making their financial situation any better.
Now, one might think that Miami might do a S + T for BBD, but they’re clearly cleaning their books for one or two huge FA signings next summer. Why throw $4m at BBD when you might need that caproom to sign Chris Bosh?
First of all,
sit down, relax and breath – last time I checked none of us here were GMs so everything here is purely fan speculation.
And you pretty much just answered you’re own question. Moon was extended a qualifying offer – so if another team offers, Miami can (and probably will) match. However, they still wanna make room to sign Wade and maybe another max FA, so a couple of expiring contracts is probably appealing.
There is also the possiblity that Miami does a s&t and get Tony and Scal, then waive one – or both – of them creating some cap space.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I think it's unlikely, however...
…Miami is really all about 2010 at this point. They have tons of cap room opening up, and should be able not only to re-sign Wade, but also add a big man along the lines of Bosh, Boozer, or Stoudemire. As I understand it, they may even have some room left over for an additional, smaller-time FA (can’t remember where I read that…).
So further aiding their 2010 cap situation by giving them expiring contracts for a fairly fungible guy like Moon… maybe not likely, but also not 100% out of the question.
by PJ Martinez on Jul 11, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe a three team'er?
Danny could send Scal/TA to a team under the luxury tax, they send something to miami, miami sends moon to bos. that get the money to work, have to figure out the rest tho
Trade idea to get Moon
I know that I will be abused for this, but here goes anyway:-) How about we trade a resigned Big Baby at 4 million, Scals at 3.4 million, and TA at 2.5 million for (HOLD your breath) Mark Blount (almost 8 million and expiring) and a resigned Moon at around 2 million. We would get our back up center and our back up SF and free up a spot as well. Maybe KG can find that MB that showed up during the second half of his contract year:-))
Smitty77
even if I ignore the Blount part
Moon will not sign a 2 million dollar/year deal. It will be at least twice as much
Even if Moon gets $3 million
This should still work.
Why would Miami do this?
What is the basis that would make them accept Allen OR Scalabrine? Unless you give them a young player or two that they covet OR take back a crap contract, I don’t see any reason for them to play. Do we have that young player?
if they do it, it's all about 2010
Miami is not contending next season. 2010 is a different story. If we can give them more cap room for 2010, they might — might — at least consider it.
by PJ Martinez on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
They have no one signed in 2010… all are team options.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 12, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Moon or Moore?
Sounds too much like Mikki Moore. Moon was a 27 yr old rookie who worked his way up, is an “energy guy”, is “working on his shooting”, and is just a bit thin for his position. hmmmmmm sounds way too familiar. I’m thinking a more energetic/jumpy Moore. Not worth a SandT for Baby. Hows this guy gonna guard LeBron??? Please……….
As far as I see it
If this is about Lebron, this FA may fail in your eyes before it ends. I don’t know a lotta BACKUP SFs that can guard Lebron AND are available to the Celtics….I assume you do?
not to 100% take down lebron but to be effective on a certain extense
unfortunately moon is not a convincing option
@ RJ87
You make no sense whatsoever. Every single contract on the Heat is expiring this year, or the next year is at the club’s option, except for Wade’s. Why in the world would the the Heat want to pay salary and luxtax on more expiring contracts?
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm
Please take some time to learn about how the system works in the NBA. You’re right. We aren’t GMs, but most who speculate about signings and trades on here understand the parameters that those trades and signings have to fit in.
Extent of Injury
What was the extent of Moon’s injury that kept him late last season?Is he fully recovered from it?If all is well health wise im onboard with the move.
Moon refreshed
that kept him out of the rotation late last season
Nothing handed him = Good work ethic
As Brickowski mentioned, he had a good story written about his travails getting to the NBA. If we liked Leon, I htink we would like this guy.
I do not want to give Scal away or Bill Walker (Walker’s only 21 and has grit and for the #10-12 man on the team we need a guy like that).
I didn’t watch summer league because when I got the stream those two announcers were impossible idiots and you needed someone to tell you who was who. Man, what a bogus production. But reading the box scores neither Giddens nor Pruitt (nor Walker for that matter) made the kind of statement needed. The guy that nailed all the 3s might be worth another look. I’d throw T Allen, Giddens and Pruitt into any offer for a guy like Moon ASSUMING somebody would take those three.
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