Looking At The Options At Small Forward

Singleton can play either F position, has decent range out to 3, and is an above average rebounder. Not saying he should be target #1, but people are definitely sleeping on his value.

Not one player on Spears list makes me excited. That’s why Hill was key, he was our only shot at a real player for such garbage money.

Super duper over-hyped by celticsbloggers

… for our non-Ray expirings. I really don’t think Danny wants to include Baby in an S & T, as Baby is a lot more valuable guarding the true behemoths of the league than many give him credit for. Baby’s the perfect 4th big.

I think people are overly concerned about taking on longer contracts for guys that are overpaid. The only reason we could get those guys for our flotsam and jetsam is because of those contracts. Our window is this year, and maybe next with these older players. If we win another championship or 2 and then have to overpay somebody for a year or two, the tradeoff is well worth it.

So, for me, if Danny can swing a Noc, Jackson, or Maggette trade for our expiring trash, and then resign Baby, it’s the best of all possible scenarios.

Celtics / Raptors

Perk < Bargs
KG = Bosh
PP = Hedo
Ray = Derozen
Rondo < Calderon
Bench < Bench

We def need to improve our bench more if we want to even think of competing with the raptors. Walker and Giddens aren’t going to cut it.

Matt Barnes sucks, can’t believe yall choosing Matt over Stack? Matt is a stand still. Remember he’s playing with Steve Nash… So bringing him here, he’s going to play with whom?? Eddie House. He won’t be as effective offensively. Our bench needs offense. Jerry Stackhouse, Allen Iverson or Flip Murray are ideal players to Back Pierce or Ray. Barnes game is equivalent to Scalabrine’s.

the good news is that most of these names mentioned would be an improvement (or at least more reliable) than Tony Allen? Because the Celtics won’t get too much with the LLE, I really hope they pursue the sign and trade route.

then why not Jerry StackHouse??? They’re bot Injury prone, haven’t played much in the last 5 years, and are both 33+. Stack is our best option, unless of course Iverson says he’ll come here for the lle. lol

Your wing preview is way better than Mark Spears. Spears gave us a laundry list, while you actually looked at the availability, affordability, and fit of the player.

Let’s not hope that the Globe steals you away. They’ve already stolen the name ’Celtics Blog" for their blog area on their website.

Miami and Golden State both have extra wings, and both don’t figure to contend this year. Miami is clearing the decks for one or two huge FA signings next year, so maybe they don’t match a two year BAE deal for Moon. Or maybe they trade James Jones for House and Pruitt. If they cut Pruitt, they save $3m in salary and luxtax this year, and if they buyout Eddie, they can save another million. They save $4m and open up time for their young wing players, as well as retain Moon on the cheap ($1m Qo if no one signs him to an offer sheet, $1.9m if they match a BAE from elsewhere).

I would have loved to thrown TA in the deal instead of House, but it came up within $77k of working. For Miami, this clearly is a wasted season as they reload with FAs, so why spend money needlessly?

this means passing, rebounding, creating his own shot are less important. If they get a shooter who can’t play d like wally, i won’t be happy. If we do the minutes its easy to see we only need 15 and spelling pp with a guy who spreads the floor and plays hard d is the way to go. Pretending too that scal and ta and the rookies just don’t play

Perk 32, Rasheed 16
KG 35, Rasheed 13
PP 33, Free agent 15
Ray 33, House 15
Rajon 35, Vet point 13

somehow getting nocioni without touching the above guys and still getting the back up point is most ideal, but mainy for protection aganst an older teams injuries. getting KG, PP, and Ray to 32 or less minutes while not killing Rasheed is going to require getting a saavy 3/4 guy

and now all of a sudden he has nothing left??? are you serious. when JS is healthy he’s just as good as Paul Pierce. I’m just going to sit back watch what happens. either way we’ll be good, but we cannot afford to pick up another stand still (Wally, Moon, Barnes etc…) AI will be a perfect fit for this team bench if he wants to take the BAE. We need bench scoring, and he draws a lot of attention so House will be open if you double off him, it’ll be difficult to double team Rasheed, bring in stackhouse at the LLE with a sign and trade of Glen Davis for a center or PF, Trade Scal and TA expirings for Posey and we got a DREAM TEAM…Ha!

I don’t know whether its Walker or Giddens but there are two fair talents already here and cheap in need of minutes. With Rasheed, Eddie, Scal, there’s enough veteran presence on 2nd squad. Let’s develop a guy and if it doesn’t happen pick the piece up mid year. Stackhouse is over the hill. The others are so unexciting!

I didn’t even know he was a free agent until I read this, I would take him if I had my choice then Barnes. I don’t know why anyone would want a 34 year old Stackhouse who is a career 30% shooter from three point range, he’s had 8 seasons where he shot under 30% from behind the arc, he’s never been a good defender, and did I mention he’s 34 now? Whoever the Celtics choose it would be nice if he had some range and played some D, and wasn’t in his mid 30’s.

(1) Keith Bogans
(2) Bruce Bowen
(3) Rodney Carney
(4) Ime Udoka

All of these guys have a little gas left in the tank and would work. Here would be my take:

Carney: youngest legs, athleticism. We would be banking that we can channel him into a strong defender and at least he can be effective in transition.

Herrmann: not a plus defender, but has size and smarts to work in our system. Offense and rebounding is ahead of the other guys.

Udoka: classic defense and 3pt guy. Better than Bowen at this point in their careers.

Personally, I would keep it simple and take Udoka, who can play 3 positions at times and defend from baseline to baseline. Herrmann could be a productive player, Carney would be more of a wildcard.

is whether you can see the guy on the court in the final quarter of a seventh game in the playoffs. Can you see a Rodney Carney or a CJ Miles coming through in crunch time, if he has to be in there for some reason? Or would Jerry Stackhouse be a better bet?

The young wing players already on the roster can gobble up backup minutes in the regular season if need be, assuming the vet the Cs sign misses some time due to injury. I can’t see a young wing player on a BAE deal come in here and contribute in crunch time, except for third year player and 29 year old Jamario Moon. The Magic had to pay MLE money for Michael Petrius to be their backup wing.

If a Stackhouse or Wally type can be healthy for the playoffs, that would be a better roster addition than another young, unproven wing to go with the three already on the roster (and I’m putting YA in tehre as unproven. although he’s proven that he can’t be trusted with important crunch time minutes).

Perk 32, Sheed 16
KG 30, Sheed 10, 4th big or Scal 8
PP 32, FA wing or TA/Walker/Giddens 16
RA 32, House 16
RR 38, FA PG or Pruitt 10

If House is needed as backup PG, Giddens can play 10 mpg at backup SG.

… I rather choose a SF with a decent mid range (15-20 feet) jumper and some back-to-the-basket post moves.

With the possible exception of Marquis Daniels (if he can regain the form he showed in Dallas), I do not think any of the listed players is a significant upgrade over Scalabrine, or Tony Allen for that matter.

year and its also true that scal can’t guard a quick wing well enough. And those two things are the reason it makes the most sense to sign Baby, and trade a bag of garbage for a guy like Nocioni, if we are going to do anything at all. If we sign Baby we have enough bigs, not to mention we still have Powe’s Bird rights when he gets healthy. Ignoring the situation at back up points for a moment(that may be wher the lle gets used) there is just nothing that is realistic and a big enough upgrade unless we make a trade based on a salary dump. But it has to be a guy who can defend a three well

Well Scalabrine is a much better defender than Nocioni at the 3,4,5 or any other position for that matter. Nocioni doesn’t even flop that well.

.. at pretty much any position. But, the question is who to have as backup to Pierce. I’m with Brickowski, most of these guys are minimal improvements to TA. Any improvement would be offset by taking on additional contracts or losing assets. I’m not entirely sold it’s worth it.

Dude shoots like 6% from the floor — and he REALLY likes to shoot. He’s just terrible. Sometimes I think people on this site read about basketball more than they watch it.

Stackhouse is def a volume shooter but he can put the ball in the basket. Let’s not forget he led the league in scoring a couple years back. To say he’s “terrible” is an overstatement. Plus he’s a slasher/pull up which w Rajon would work. He would be getting huge mins. He’s got playoff experience. PLUS he’s got major history w Rahseed Wallace. I think Stack would be a perfect fit. He’s a proven scorer, connections w guys on team, a lot of playoff experience and FINALS experience and he wants a RING BAD. Never underestimate a vet scorer who has something to prove.

REPHRASE: “He would NOT be getting huge mins.”

have awesome sense of humors

I think Barnes and Carney would both be good fits. I’d lean more towards Barnes based purely on experience, but they’re both young, explosive, and can provide competent downtime minutes for PP, which is really all we’re looking for anyways.

The Pistons just traded Affalo and some guy I have never heard of to the nuggets for a 2nd rounder. They did it to clear space. That might mean they can offer BB something higher than we are willing to match………….that would SUCK!!

but it looks like that’s where things are pointing. They’ve lost McD and Sheed.

Maybe Detroit is looking at Lamar Odom!!! PLEAAAAAAAAAAASEEEE!!!

pistons are trying to clear cap for 2010 to get a big name superstar and build a team around him..

although I think Joe is a classy guy I wouldn’t put it past him to go after baby since we signed wallace. let’s not forget though that Danny essentially gave Joe and the Pistons a title by facilitating the wallace deal in the first place so if Joe thinks about it the right way he shouldn’t be pissed at danny for signing wallace. If I’m detroit I want more length than what baby has. they already have Maxiell and Amir johnson and the rookie Daye. Davis can play center but he’s better at the 4. Gortat would have made more sense for them or pachulia. they are also thin at guard now with stuckey and rip as their main guards and Iverson on the way out. Honestly paying baby for 5 years probably doesn’t make much sense for them since they appear to be rebuilding. They need a star to replace some of what they’ve lost

Most of the guys we’re talking about here are either not much better than what we’ve got, or just have the wrong skill set. If we manage to keep BBD, and even if we don’t, we have enough scoring off the bench with Sheed and Eddie. Bowen may be older, lost a step and not be much of an offensive threat, but he’s got the perfect skill set for our needs and what we can afford. We really are best off with someone who can guard the 2 or the 3 and not commit turnovers. Bowen plays fantastic team and man on man defense, and his basketball IQ is through the roof. That’s the skill set we need at the position. Would it be nice to have a defense, a jump shot, decent 3P%, etc, but those guys are worth more than the LLE or BAE, which Bowen may sign for.

We don’t have a lot of resources to work with here, and don’t forget we still need a backup point. It’s not likely we’re going to get two very good all around players because if they’re that good, other teams are after them and most of them have more to offer than us. We need role players and to know what those roles are and to be more realistic about who we actually have a chance at getting.