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Revisiting The Gabe Pruitt Question

should I stay or should I go now?

Way back in March, Roy Hobbs broke down the Gabe Pruitt situation for us in this article.  Here are some highlights:

The Celtics have a team option on Pruitt for next season at a league-minimum salary of $825,497.  Pruitt has expressed a desire for the Celtics to pick up that option.  However, the decision is not a clear cut one.

On the one hand, Pruitt is a young player at a position of need.  He just turned 23 last month, and it can be argued (as Who has done in our forums) that he's already as good as many of the third string point guards in the NBA.  Pruitt has previously looked good in the D-League, averaging 18.6 points and 3.9 assists on an eFG% of .502 a season ago.

On the other hand, however, there is a real question regarding whether Pruitt can play at this level.  He simply hasn't shown that he's a very good player by NBA standards.  Among NBA point guards, Pruitt ranked 48thout of 78 players in assist-to-turnover ratio, 69th out of 78 in assists per minute, and 74th out of 78 in field goal percentage.

The time is drawing near (Aug. 1) for the Celtics to make a decision on him.  What do you think Danny should do?

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Should the Celtics pick up the option on Gabe Pruitt?
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no question

at 711k you keep Gabe. he’s shown he can shoot and defend. he’s also a good ball handler.

i’m sure other folks have been paying attention to who else is on the PG market (read: no one).

by ssspence on Jul 15, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It's the first time I have seen a vote this close on Celticsblog!!

I just tied it at 48.

Good thing I voted correctly

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jul 15, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Pick it up

It’s cheap money, and if he had ever had consistent minutes I think he’d be a much better player in this league. Not a starter, but maybe a serviceable backup. He’s never had a chance to get his groove at this level.

by Ritzybeanboy on Jul 15, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Why Doesn't He Get Consistent Minutes?

And don’t put it on Doc again. Baby and Powe got consistent minutes. Perk got them, as did Al Jeff. Rondo did. How’d they get them? They earned them. Pruitt hasn’t.

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by TrueGreen on Jul 16, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have to pickup the option. Of course, wait till the last second and see who it’s out there. But, if the plan is to add a short backup PG, then I’d rather have Pruitt even if he’s the inferior player. Having House playing SG with his size is a liability for us, so a short PG would not be in our best interests.

He showed me enough in the Summer League to stick around. He’s body is getting stronger, he’s quite quick with the ball, he started becoming aggressive attacking the paint, is finishing well, and was practicing the pull-up jumper (which would be quite a good asset if he starts knocking them down). Since his rookie year he has shown he can defend at the NBA level, so that’s not really a concern. His weakness would still be that he’s not good at running an offense, but I think his skillset we can use.

His passiveness is his worst enemy, and I think he has been improving that bit by bit. We’ll see.

by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 15, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Expiring Contract Only

Gabe looks good when he plays, but so doesn’t Heidi Klum. He looks good doing things but doesn’t produce. He looks good dribbling the ball upcourt but can’t run a team, his shot looks good but doesn’t go in the basket. He bends his knees and defends but can’t stop his man. He makes 1 nice play and then you don’t know he’s on the court for 10 mins, except on the defensive end where he gets beat..

Right now his biggest value to us is as an expiring contract. He can be traded this month and the acquiring team can cut him and save his salary. However, that ends on 1 Aug, so unless Danny can put him in a deal by then I think he’ll be released..

by badax33 on Jul 15, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

for what he's shown and what he is

i think it would be too soon to pull the plug. this is certainly a make or break kind of year for Gabe with the C’s, but he HAS shown that he can shoot (esp the 3) and he HAS shown that he can handle the ball. That alone is enough for me to say keep him for the 3rd string PG, with the chance to earn 2nd string minutes.

by milt palacio's shot on Jul 15, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Pruitt-House-Giddens-Baby-Sheed

I can work with that unit. Spread the floor, see if Pruitt finally has the balls to penetrate in the NBA or post up Giddens and let him do some work around the basket. We’ll see what else we can find in FA, but I have no problem rolling out this unit.

by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 15, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not? It’s very short money by NBA standards, even considering the luxury tax. In the worst case, if he doesn’t work out or you need the roster spot, you waive him. Besides, that 825K could be useful as cap fodder in a trade.

And the first thing I would do after exercising the option is find a doctor to prescribe testosterone suplements. Pruitt needs those more than he needs coaching.

by Brickowski on Jul 15, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

If Pruitt can defend the shorter 2s which I think he can he and House might be able to play together. I didn’t see too much of the summer league but of what I’ve seen before he really needs to get better at driving to the hoop.

by JBcat on Jul 15, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

if you go there will be trouble

and if you stay there will be double

God bless and good night!

by BrickJames on Jul 15, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Given our roster situation it’s absolutely not a no-brainer.

by kozlodoev on Jul 16, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

our roster situation?

you mean where we have no other back-up point guards? ok, take him off the roster and you have to put one on, and the pickings are aweful.

by ssspence on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’d much rather take a flier on MW (a guy who can definitely pass, whatever his other foibles) or Lester Hudson (a guy who might be able to score) than give a third year to Pruitt (who we have demonstrable evidence can neither lead a team nor score).

by dslack on Jul 15, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree

I’d rather go for the unproven guy that can play defense.

I do like Lester though. Wouldn’t mind having him and Gabe duke it out in training camp.

by jdpapa3 on Jul 16, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all depends on whether Danny intends to sign another point guard or not.

If he doesn’t, then the C’s should definitely pick up Pruitt’s option. If Danny does intend to sign another point guard, then there’s no need for a third string point guard like Pruitt when you also have Eddie House on the roster.

by Who on Jul 15, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, aside from spelling Roy’s name incorrectly, I like the topic. I do disagree with Roy when evaluating Gabe’s numbers. He’s played inconsistent minutes so his numbers should reflect that. He’s not a guy who can just come in randomly and do a wonderful job. Doc’s used him poorly in that matter.

Sign him, and let him play 16 minutes a game. Have Eddie at the two. Eddie will light it up.

by amenhotep04 on Jul 15, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm with you on the inconsisent minutes.

It’s also wise to consider WHO he plays with when he’s in. It’s oftentimes free-flowing and unstructured garbage time with much less than quality ballers.

I believe it’s wise to consider the play of Scalabrine, who, when relegated to coming off the bench and playing with scrubs was certifiably awful, but when starting with quality teammates proved quite valuable. I think Big Baby is another great example of someone whose play is demonstrably better when the quality of those running with him increases.

I suggest keeping Gabe. I’d like to see a larger sample of what this guy can do.

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by nachoman on Jul 16, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What we want out of a backup PG is limited

He’s got to be able to bring the ball up against pressure and make an entry pass without turning it over. He’s got to fit into the team defense. A nice bonus would be an ability to to hit an open 20-footer and dish out a few assists, but that’s not as important..

We really can’t expect to find someone starter-quality in this slot. It’d be great, no question, but it’d really be a windfall.

Based on what I’ve seen and heard, Pruitt might fit the bill, but I’m not sure we know. I wouldn’t be upset to see the staff keep him half a year to give him a real shot, then pull the trigger on a serviceable castoff if necessary.

And assuming Pruitt plays D, his height makes him a nice complement to House.

by Sophomore on Jul 16, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Just to finish the thought

Eddie cannot play the backup 1. It’s that simple. Teams with the personnel (i.e., many playoff teams) will press us and cause no end of trouble, and he’ll drop off as an outside shooter.

by Sophomore on Jul 16, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

Celtics won the Championship in 2008 with House as a backup PG.

by dslack on Jul 16, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but he had trouble again and again. Put it this way – it was an obvious soft spot in the team.

by Sophomore on Jul 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all comes down to if we can get a wing

If so, it would make our entire bench deeper, and it would let giddens/house to split time at the 2, wing/bill walker at the 3, and house/pruitt at the 1.

However if we cant find a wing, I think we need another point guard. That way eddie wouldn’t be depended on to take the full load at the 2, and part of the load at the 1.

by beantownboy171 on Jul 16, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

i said trade him in a package n forget about big baby if he the the full MLE

time is not on our side, everyday a main competitor is adding someone. i say trade
Pruitt, Jr, TA, Scal, BW to the clippers for Camby. the price may be steep for Camby for the upcoming year but at the end it will be cheaper than BBD if he get the full MLE. camby is on a final year of a 9m contract n i dont see him making a lot next year n we got his right. Defensively we’ll on top n we know we can score

C- Perk / Camby/ Robert Swift
PF- KG / Sheed
Sf- PP / hopefully we can get Barnes if Orlando messed up or moon for the LLE
sg- allen / House
Pg- Rondo / Lester /convince marbury for the Veteran n minimum

by priapus81 on Jul 16, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

That trade would never work...

Why would the Clippers trade Camby for five of the worst players on our team? I know Mike Dunleavy is an idiot but I think even he would realize this is a bad trade…

by peiff on Jul 16, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

can giddens play PG? lol

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

by remembering9ergods on Jul 16, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

What other choice do we have?

The bottom line is that the C’s need to go get a backup for Pierce before they can even begin to worry about a PG. And once we get a 3 for what will most likely be the full LLE, what exactly are we going to use to get another PG? We need to keep Pruitt around because right now we can’t get anyone better. Pay the man his 800K, and then go find a PG in next year’s free agent heaven.

by peiff on Jul 16, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Lester?

Probably didn’t show enough in the summer to beat out a guy with unbroken hands. On the other hand (no pun), the guy with intact bones isn’t very good at basketball, and Hudson just might be….

by dslack on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt it'd be Lester

We all know that Doc is hesitant to throw rookies into the fire like that, and I’m guessing with the hand injury it’s very unlikely he’d rush him into anything.

by peiff on Jul 16, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't see the harm in it

It’s a small salary, so it’s not like there’s major risk in it. It can act as a throw-in in any possible trades, and additional point guards don’t hurt. This is basically as low-risk as one can get.

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by Ben R on Jul 16, 2009 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

keep on him

For this money he doesn’t have the pressure to play at a high Level. Maybe good or bad… I have seen a handful of good scenes of the entire last season – but I think he still can grow up – maybe he is a late bloomer? I hope so… he is still young

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by greenmech on Jul 16, 2009 4:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Because of that he is valuable in trades…so make a deal Danny…

by thebirdman on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions  

hes averaging 7.5 minutes in 62 games in his NBA career so far. what are the celtics really expecting in 7 random minutes during a blowout game which is the tpyical situation they put him in

i honestly see him more of a SG, just like when we tried to have delonte west play PG when he was really a SG

i like pruitt, wanna see him back, but to me he doesnt quite look ready yet but that could change if they just giv him more minutes

is it just me or does it seem like the celtics always expect their prospect to develop in star overnight while riding the bench?

by wyldkard on Jul 16, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Compare Marbury To Pruitt

Marbury didn’t do a great job while he was here, but he was way more effective than Pruitt who knows the system. I just don’t think Pruitt has it and we might as well stop it here. I think House is okay at backup pg, but it takes away from his true effectiveness at the 2 postition. We really need to find someone else. And I don’t think it needs to be a true point. Neither DJ nor Danny were true points, but those teams did pretty good. They were both intelligent players and both could do what they had to to make it work. It also didn’t hurt to have a guy named Larry. And maybe that is where the answer is. Get a backup pg who can at least get it up the floor and have some ability to function and find someone else to run the offense from another position.

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by TrueGreen on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 AM EDT reply actions  

House is too small for the 2

Good shooter, but did you see how the 6’4" Courtney Lee completely shut him down?

by dslack on Jul 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Not About Size

House gets open. That’s when he scores. When the C’s have a full complement of players House would not be the #1 object to shut down. If he is that just gives other’s room. If the Celtics are healthy and play well (ball and player movement, extra pass) guys like House will get open. It doesn’t matter who’s assigned to guard him.

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by TrueGreen on Jul 16, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need solid and proven help now

With the Heat trying hard to get Odam AND Boozer, we need to further upgrade. Getting Sheed is a big step forward, but we can’t stop at here. We need solid help now. We don’t have time to experiment and wait for someone to develop.

Pruitt may turn out to be a brilliant PG down the road, but that may be too far away. I say we package Pruitt in a trade to bring in someone proven.

by 33-32-00 on Jul 16, 2009 6:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess I would keep him.

That’s about the level of my enthusiasm.

by correcttitle on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 AM EDT reply actions  

He won't help us

I’m not against picking up his option, but only if Ainge is comfortable to get him into a trade later on. Pruitt won’t be part of the rotation and he didn’t impress me as a talent that could break it somewhen in the future. I voted “no”, but I’m fine with picking him up if he is sent off via trade.

by Mahoney_jr on Jul 16, 2009 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

The best thing to do with Pruitt...

… is trade him before August 1, as salary relief to a team that would immediately cut him. It’s the ultimate “expiring contract”.

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by Roy_Hobbs on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 AM EDT reply actions  

sign him. he is an important chip, either for trade or backup purposes. 1. he is a good athlete with height and skills. 2. he has been mostly garbage time and has not had the on the floor experience to live and learn. 3. yes, he has a passivity to him, but too often i hear, it’s kg’s team and kg will get someone to perform. it’s doc’s and the coahes’ job to get something out of pruitt. doc is the ex-point guard and i would like to say that doc has put a lotof time into the pruitt project, but i doubt it. doc would rather have a tyrone lue whom he thinks knows what he is doing and will take over. just like mikki moore took over—hah!

by nazzbo on Jul 16, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

let him go...he stinks..trade he before Aug 1

HE HAS SHOWN ZERO….and now many of you think he will be able to play an important role?

by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Price, Lousy PG

When Celtic draft picks of this year come in and we hear “well of course he’s playing better than Gabe Pruitt, he’s a true PG while Pruitt is not,” then you know Pruitt is never going to amount to much at the PG slot. To say that I wasn’t impressed by Pruitts play is an understatement. I wish he’d have wiped that grin off his face during games and instead gotten downright mean & aggressive.

by TomHamilton30 on Jul 16, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Pruitt stays- at least, for now

Until someone better comes along as a decent point guard who can defend and complement House’s off the bench shooting prowess, there’s really little choice in the matter,and Pruitt should be held on to.
It’s possible that this will be the year that he starts to show something of value, and if he earns some consistent minutes, he may yet surprise most of us.
 That, of course, could change, if Ainge manages to pick up a true point guard/ shooting guard as a back up to Rondo, and possibly Ray Allen, but the way the market looks at the moment, I wouldn’t hold my breath; nor would I release Pruitt too quickly.

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by lygafe on Jul 16, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

on gabe pruitt

how can you make a decision based only on the garbage minutes he gets you cant i say keep him and let him play back up to rondo if he deserves more playing time increase his minutes its not rocket science guys give me a break .

by NICK THE GREEK on Jul 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

You know...

The way people are talking, I feel like even if we sign Pruitt, no one else will take him in a trade. That’s all I ever see right now; people wanting to trade our worst players in exchange for one player that’s better than all of the lower players we have combined. I’m not sure if that’s really realistic or not.

If the Celtics want him, let him backup Rondo and see what he can do. If he does well, but we still feel for some reason we can get someone better than him, then Pruitt may actually have trade value then. I WOULD like to know who to take in place of Pruitt, who we’d actually be able to get in a trade. I feel like that market won’t be out there. : \

by Tai on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sold on him

He has the size and skills to make a seam like he could be a good NBA backup PG, but he totally lacks that something special which would make him actually effective. He just doesn’t have it. Everyone here knows what I am talking about. BBD is the exact oppisite, he has that something special, but lacks in all the other ways.

I liked what I saw with Hudson. He was a ferocious defender. Absolutely tenacious. And, from what I have read and seen of him, he can seriously light it up if he gets going. I have a strong “gut” feeling (ha) that he beats out Pruit.

by stevenfuzz on Jul 16, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

im not sure

If he is ready,

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