Big Baby Updates - Running Out Of Options
Though the Celtics have not made an offer to Glen Davis, the restricted free agent and his team may be drifting closer together thanks to NBA’s strapped economy.
Though Davis is still hopeful of landing a mid-level-sized deal - one that starts at $5.8 million - the field is limited.
Detroit, a team with clear interest, has $3.2 million to offer, and is reportedly hesitant to send Davis an offer sheet with the knowledge that the Celtics will gladly match that amount. The Pistons, rather than have their cash placed in limbo by the seven-day period the Celtics would have to match the offer, are instead pursuing other options.
Also of note:
Three league sources close to negotiations confirmed that the Celtics explored a now-dead sign-and-trade deal that would have sent Davis to Miami in exchange for restricted free agent Jamario Moon. The plan never got off the ground because both young players fall into a dreaded category known as base-year compensation.
This would seem to end the Celtics’ interest in Moon, who is aiming higher than the $1.9 million biannual exception the Celtics can offer in a straight-up signing.
The Celtics, as a result, are now exploring other sign-and-trade possibilities, as well as other free agents who might be more amenable to a $1.9 million starting point. NBA rules restrict players who sign for the biannual exception to only two-year contracts.
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Why does Moon think he can get more than
the LLE? He played consistent minutes and produced little. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, but 2 million bucks is what he’s worht. He needs to aim lower.
He'll End Signing with Miami for Qualifying
He is worth more than 1.9 million but no one is going to offer it to him knowing that Miami will immediately match it. He’ll have to try his luck again next year.
So Will Davis
I bet Davis isn’t going to be happy with our offer so he takes the qualifying then tests the waters as an unrestricted next year.
I’m bummed for BBD, but if he comes back to the Cs ‘in the right state of mind’ that I’ll be pumped. I’m concerned that he’ll sulk for awhile or maybe indefinitely. I’m sure the vets will give him a good talking to, but I wonder about various reports over the last couple years about his emotions.
Nevertheless, I hope this ends sooner than later, and I’d like to see BBD continue to be a Celtic.
As far as Moon is concerned, the one thing I see him do well is guard Paul. Other than that, I’m not a big fan of his play. Lots of physical talent, but not much else. A dime a dozen in this league unfortunately.
In that case I want Moon
If he can guard Paul Pierce, then he’s exactly the kind of defensive SF this team needs.
by Surferdad on Jul 16, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ainge has played C's cards right
Glen Davis won’t get the money he wants but the C’s let the free market tell him that rather than them creating a negative. Detroit has Villanueva, Maxiel (for 4 more years at $5 mil/year) and Oberto – all who play Davis’s position. Unless they can move Maxiel they can’t bring in Davis. Dumars is a smart dealer (C Billups trade aside). Davis isn’t going to Detroit.
Welcome back Glen. 2-3 mil per year is still more than Bill Russell made in any year of his career so be grateful and keep improving your game and you’ll get your chance to score big money some day down the road
Can't compare what Russell made. $2-3 Million was a lot back then compared to now. $5-6 Mil is
probably the equivalent of $2-3 Million back then.
Bill Russell Today
Would be a 20 mill+ player and probably would be underpaid at that.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Wow. That would have been a terrible trade!
Moon who is 30 years old for a 23 year old developing big? No thanks!
nope...the current bench we have now is going to be the
bench we go into the season with…get ready for more tony allen…more bill walker and gabe pruitt…danny and doc started great with sheed but he just isn’t enough to get out of the east
by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
so the bench right now as it stands is good enough to win
a championship? i dont think it is at the point nor at the wing
by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
calendar
Check your calendar….and reference the dates that James Posey and PJ Brown were signed and get back to me…
but...
The late season signings were mostly better than the offseason guys that were available.
And I still think we’ll sign one more decent player for the LLE and then fill the rest of the bench out with gambles like Swift and Hudson. Is there enough room for that?
Hudson still hasn't signed a contract and with that broken finger
he may need surgery, so I’m not including him in this season’s plans just yet. I really don’t think Swift is gonna make training camp, I’d be completely shocked if he did.
Hudson & Swift don’t play the wing either, I think it will be crucial to sign someone in that position from the start of the season. Paul is going need relief, Doc himself said it.
I do think we will sign someone with the LLE but who, I don’t know. The only name I’ve heard consistently since signing Sheed is Tyronn Lue. He’s a good 3rd string PG, but not a main backup.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Correction:
According to the Boston Herald article, Hudson recently had surgery. DA is not sure whether or not they will sign him.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
swift? HE is awful...
hudson wont even get a contract
by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...didn't you post the same thing
last season? that offseason was stellar huh?
by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The bench isn't good enough to win a title
So in that case we should try and get Paul, Ray, KG, Perk and Rondo to play some minutes. Those guys are pretty good. I’m sure they won’t mind chipping in a little.
I agree 100%
Sheed was a good pick up, but our bench is still our weakspot. Paul can’t play another season with almost 40 mpg. He’s 32 now, his knees can only take so much. TA is very injury prone, and seems to get worse with each injury.
Not to mention, we still don’t have a real back-up PG, Eddie House is just so much better when he’s not running the offense and just finding his spots. Pruitt might be ready, but are we really ready to hand him the ball if Rondo goes down?
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
You're wrong
They have said all along they are not done. For CelticBlog junkies, who want new info every time they refresh the home page all day long, it seems like they are dragging their feet. But for what they have left to spend, patience is a virtue. The longer guys go without signing, the less they will command. Now if we saw a bunch of 2nd tier signings all over the place, except for the C’s, that would be different. That is not the case, this is the second wave of the free agency period.
The top tier guys move quickly, the rest of the market takes time, and time is in the Celtics favor. It would be foolish for them to be too aggressive right now and bid against themselves. So many teams have certain scenarios that have to play out before it is clear who has the money for what. Once the landscape clears a bit, Danny will strike. Be assured, even if Tanguay, et. al are not reporting it, DA has the pulse of the market and his fingers in all sorts of scenarios. Give it some time.
Its a shame it didn't go through
I would have absolutely rejoiced with that sign-and-trade. I hope Danny keeps trying that same method to get someone. btw, this will net BBD a bigger contract than if he were to just sign back with us (most likely), so you should be happy for him
Jeff Clark, NESN and Po(we)
Nice interview Sir Rants Alot and glad to see you gave the PO(we) situation it’s proper due – good honest answer. He still got the shaft IMO
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Jul 16, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks
I really do think the key point is “can we get someone better than Powe with the 15th roster spot?” If not, then it was a mistake.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
"better" is a broad term
Not better in heart, loyalty, a good guy in the community, not to mention a tremendous spark off the bench time and time again the last two years …..ahhh….I digress.
Is it Soup Yet?
unless
It was not a mistake. The best move in that situation was to decline the qualifying offer because there was no way in hell that anyone was going to give him that kind of money. The only kind of offer he will receive this summer is the vet min for 1 or 2 seasons. People assume we screwed Leon by not giving him the qualifying offer, but they don’t understand how much over market value that would be.
I can see why people would be upset that we wouldn’t offer the minimum to this awesome guy, but I’m also sure those same people don’t have direct contact with Leon’s doctor…
bbd looks good in green
bbd looks good in green but I hope he doesn’t cry again if he has to accept a paltry 3.5m contract from us
paltry?
I don’t think he’s worth that much, and based upon how things are going he probably won’t get offered even that.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 16, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW - in the picture above .....
KG looks like the black Godfather with that expression

Is it Soup Yet?
He looks like Ticket ...
sitting on the bench for the first time watching Mikki Moore on the floor for the Cs: “I hope this is a joke …”
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
MOON
Moon is an above average rebounder for his size and would have fit in with the Celtics but I’m not upset that we won’t get him. We still have plenty of time to see what’s out there and also facilitate a couple of minor trades involving Scal, T-Allen, Pruitt, Walker and J.R. as the pieces.
just posted this in the forums
here’s some infor from Ira Winderman on the Heat’s view of Moon:
“Q: If Jamario Moon decides to re-sign with the Heat, who do you think will get the majority of playing time off the bench at small forward: James Jones or Moon? I really like how well Wade and Moon complement each other, but, at the same time, Jones began to show his old form in the playoff series against Atlanta. Your thoughts? — Daniel.
A: I’m not sure the Heat even will allow Jamario to re-sign, with commitments at small forward in place to Jones, Yakhouba Diawara and Dorell Wright, let alone Michael Beasley possibly being given the opportunity to start there. With Jones under contract for four more seasons, I’d say he remains the front-runner for any available minutes."
With The Changing Economic Situation
Owners seem less willing these days to overpay for players, even though many still do. When Baby signed his original contract it was purposely done to make him a restricted free agent after the second year, in the hopes of getting big bucks sooner rather than later. That was his choice. I don’t know what the history of his agent is, but if I were Baby I would start to think about this on his own. If he hasn’t he should call Danny and discuss this. I think Danny would sign him in a minute to a reasonable contract. If Baby stays here at least 2 more years he will be a better player because of the influences around him. Better players have a better chance at getting better bucks. I don’t think Baby is there yet. I personally want to see him in a Celtic uniform.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
About John Salmons
Deng will be back and i wonder if Chicago wont give Salmons for the right deal to save some money
As long as Baby realizes the market determined his worth
and not the Cs, and he doesn’t sulk for a year feeling he’s underpaid, we should be good to go at that spot on the bench. I think Walker, Pruitt, Giddens will have to get better if that’s possible. Also, let’s not forget that before Scal got his noggin whacked a few times he was starting to play up to his potential which isn’t bad. Finally, I think Danny has the door open for Powe at midseason if Powe can show he can play. Sorry, but the guy has had three serious knee injuries. It wasn’t a bad move not to sign him to a long term contract. As I’ve said before, Powe is very flat-flooted which is something you can’t change. Watch how awkward he seems sometimes near the basket and how his back seems to be abnormally straight. It’s a small thing but when you play NBA level ball, scouts, GMs, etc…watch these things and I believe that has contributed to his knee injuries – certainly the last injury. It was a very tough decision, but I think Ainge made the right one with Powe as ugly as it might appear to be.
by The Real Large James 2 on Jul 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
I fully believe Powe will be signed somewhere else by mid-season
It was the right decision business wise, but I don’t think we can assume Powe will be back in green. I remember reading he was on Cleveland’s radar and New Orleans. Someone is gonna sign him to a low-risk contract, there’s a good chance it won’t be us.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
?
Jello knees and all? I don’t know. He was turning into a great rotation guy though. He didn’t need a jump shot because he got fouled every time he touched the ball.
powe will not be back in boston...and if he does it
will be as a member of a different team. if boston had any sense that he was going to come back healthy they would not of even let him walk…they would have stashed him for cheap..but they know what some of you folks dont want to accept…powe is too damaged to contribute anymore
by celticinorlando on Jul 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, can anyone recap the Powe situation for me?
I’m at a loss as to why we haven’t resigned him. His price is down because of his injury, but we know that he can be a major x factor off the bench. I think his value (what you get for what you pay) is the best of all available big men.
So why aren’t the C’s taking a very low risk contract with this guy who has played his heart out for us>??
by milt palacio's shot on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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…because he absolutely obliterated his knee, for the 3rd time. They obviously don’t think it’s looking so good.
davis
IF THE CELTICES LOSE DAVIS- WHO HAS PROVEN TO BE ABLE TO FILL IN, THEY ARE STUPID. WITH THE LOSE OF POWE, WHAT A DUO OF WALLACE-DAVIS OFF THE BENCH. DIDNT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LACK A BENCH SCORING.
SCAL – SHOULD GO, WHAT GOOD IS HE ANYWAY EXCEPT TO FILL A SEAT ON THE BENCH.
COME ON CELTICES- DONT LET CHAMP 17 BE A FLUX, AND MAKE US WAIT AGAIN. TAKE ALL WE CAN GET WHEN THESE THREE STILL PLAYING
Davis has no where else to go
The days of having a good half of a season and cashing in for a big contract are over. Think about it a few years ago Mark Blount got seven million a year for a half of season’s work. Now, Rasheed Wallace is signing for the mid level exception. It is just not the same league it was in the early 00s. BBD is not going to get big money. In the end the Celtics will throw a few million his way and that will be it.
bsby running out of options
nobody in there right mind is going to pay him over 5 mil a year he is only worth half that so baby take what you can get most likley he will stay with the celts…..

































