Dropping Shoes And Tying Up Loose Laces
by Jeff Clark on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT
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PrintNo new news is sometimes good news and sometimes it is just no new news. The first two shoes dropped with Sheed and Daniels signing. Well, the Daniels shoe got caught on a lower branch and we're still waiting for that one to drop the rest of the way. Then there's the Big Baby and backup PG shoes. That's enough shoes to make Imelda Marcos proud. So here's some random thoughts to pass the time and perhaps generate some discussion.
Red's Army tells us (via Indy Cornrows) that Brian Scalabrine won't be part of any Daniels sign and trade. I'm pretty happy about that really. For one thing Scal is a serviceable backup 4 if we need one. For another thing his expiring salary will be a nice trade chip in February (provided we don't deal him before then).
Update: Marc Spears tells us that this will likely be resolved by the end of the week.
So who goes to Indy? As I said on the Two Man Game show, I picture the conversation going like this...
- DA: "Hey Larry, we're signing Daniels, wanna do a sign and trade?"
- LB: "Sure, why not? What'chu got?"
- DA: "How about Tony Allen?"
- LB: "Ha! Good one. I don't think so. How about Walker and Giddens?"
- DA: "Hmm, I'd rather keep one of them. How about Giddens and Pruitt? You can waive Pruitt before Aug. 1st if you like. That way you pick up a former first round pick without losing anything that you aren't already."
- LB: "Maybe. Lemme think about it."
- DA: "Tell ya what, lets look around and see if we can get a third team involved. Better yet, lets see if Utah needs help moving Boozer and shoehorn our way into that deal. If we play our cards right we might each get a pick out of it."
- LB: "Fine with me, I'm in no hurry. You and Kevin still up for 18 holes on Friday?"
Well, you get the idea. Anyway, I'm not anxious about it because we know we're going to get Daniels who is better than Giddens and Walker and whoever we lose can be replaced.
I'm also not that anxious about the backup point position. Barring an injury to Rondo he's not going to see a lot of minutes anyway. There's no shortage of guys out there that can give you 10 minutes without costing you the game. We still have House to play the spot in a pinch.
If Marbury is that guy, fine, I'll take him on a veteran minimum contract. He was a good solider last year but he really didn't give us much production. Those two factors are why he's still an option by the way. If he was any trouble at all, of course we wouldn't want him back. If he played up to his potential, teams would have given him some kind of money this offseason. He bought himself yet another chance to reclaim his career by behaving. Now he just has to perform on the court.
Incidentally, if it seems like we've been talking about Starbury for a year, that's because we have. Which is a neat segue into Big Baby. Will he be back? When will he get an offer? Will Ainge match? Will he be signed and traded? Who knows? All I know is that there's little chance of him leaving without us getting something in return. So once again, I'm not too worried.
And that's all I've got for you tonight. Keep your eyes on the sky. You never know when that next shoe is going to drop.
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Jeff
I agree with your comments. BBD and the backup point guard will work themselves out. I can’t see anyone giving BBD a big contract. It ties up a team’s money for 7 days and you could lose another player or players in that time. Also, when you try to put poison pill clauses it seems to come back and big the team signing him in the butt. And without those most teams know that Boston will match. Also, I wonder how many team want to invest in a 6’7" PF who doesn’t rebound and played last year at 320, according to reports I’ve seen. Heck, Doc wanted him down to 275 and they listed him at 290, which apparently wasn’t true. If I was a GM. I’d be afraid he eat his way out the the NBA like Oliver Miller, MIke Sweetney and others.
Really, I don’t care if we ever do a S&T for Daniels. He committed to us and we to him, he’s knows he has a job. Yes, I’m sure he’d like more $$$$ but heck he was over paid for 3-4 years, so if we don’t do the S&T he still should be happy with his salary and the chance to win a Ring..
By not doing the S&T we have Scal, TA, Gabe, Walker and Giddens who all basically have expiring contracts and Daniels can be traded in 90 days, which gives Ganny another ASSET. We extensively discussed getting Nocione from Sacto and by Jan when they are 30 games out they might be more inclined to reduce salary. Maybe Scal and Daniels and another player would work. I like Nocione and think he be a great guy coming off the bench against Bron or even Orlando and there finesse guys. The guy is a Matt Harpring Clone, who’ll smack you in the mouth. And even if Nocione isn’t available, like you said, you never know who might be and having those expiring contracts might be a big trade chip.
And by not trading Allen we’d still have a guard who could spell Ray on the second team, I know TA had a bad year and seems to be hurt all the time, but I’m not as down on him as some. He can play 10-12 mins without killing us.
1. Daniels deserves near-MLE money after his career season last year.
2. Daniels would only sign a one-year contract at the LLE, since he deserves the double of that, and hence we would lose our LLE for next year, we would still have dead weight on the roster, we would have to search for backup wing help next year again, we wouldn’t be able to spend the LLE on a good big this year in case we miss out on BBD, etc. etc.
3. By not doing the S/T you have too many players who won’t even see a minute of action, and miss out on a chance to fill out your roster with usable guys.
4. Daniels is not here to be traded again after 90 days.
5. His name is Nocioni, not Nocione.
6. Who said Sacramento would take our garbage? We can thank Indy that they’re willing to do that.
7. Exactly, you never know who might be avalable, that’s why you don’t want to take the chance on not getting anyone at all and try to do all of your work during the off-season.
8. Daniels is here for the backup 3 AND 2, so Tony would not see any time at all, which means he is dead weight.
9. Tony had two bad years in a row, and you cannot tolerate that on a championship team.
10. Have you seen the Celtics the past two years? Tony can even kill us with 5 minutes of his “contribuiton”.
by P2 on Jul 24, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Baloney
1. Daniels is not worth MLE money, he was way overpaid on his last contract. BTW in his Career Year he averaged 13.6 but MISSED 28 games. That is not a career year. And when you review his stat over the years depending on his playing time his stats don’t change much. Just because he played 31.5 mins last year on a weak Indy team doesn’t make it a CAREER Year. He is strictly a role player, someone to rest starters.
2. I’m still hearing a 2 year deal – maybe that will change. If he only signs a 1 year deal then he becomes a expiring contract. But most players like the security of multi year contracts, expecially in this economy. BTW, if he was a MLE player, why doesn’t he hold out for a MLE, because he and his agent know he’s not an MLE talent. Artest, Ariza, Rasheed, or Daniels you pick? He’s not in their league.
3. You might be right, but Scal is a decent role player, I’m not as down on TA as you, which is fine, they can cut Gabe anytime and I have no problem with that either. Although his true value is as an expiring contract (IMO).
4. Do I have to remind you WHO the Cetics GM is – Danny Ainge, he would trade anyone on that team if he thought it made us better. He has proven that over his tenure.
5. I’m sorry I misspelled Nocioni – did you have a hard time figuring out who I meant.
6. You never know – What did Memphis get for Gasol? That was garbage!!!!!!!!! You never know what a team will take. Who knew that Minn would take most of our garbage for KG. If you evaluate that trade Minn got Big Al, Gomes and 2 1st rd picks, not much for KG in my mind. BTW, did you know that the Minn pick was highly protected and in 2012 or 13 would have become a 2nd rd pick. Expiring contracts in this economy are a major asset. Today most trades are based on 1 thing – money – not talent. Why was Shaq traded from Miami to Phoenix and then to Cleve, why was Marion traded twice, why was Jermaine O traded. Leading up to the trade deadline, there will be difference makers available and I can see Danny acquiring a player around the deadline.
7. There are always players available at the trade deadline. It’s whether you have assets to acquire them. One of the required assets is SALARY to match up with the other team. And expiring contracts are a big asset today.
8-9. Can’t disagree with that except that one of the SMALL forwards he going to match up with is Bron in the Eastern Conference Finals – I know I maybe presumptious, but I feel pretty confident that it will be us and Cleve. Can he play Bron with his size, I’m not sure. As for TA, I’m just not as down on him as most people on this board. Yes, he had 2 bad season and injuries were part of his problem. He came back from Knee surgery in 07 and 08 he had a thumb injury and missed half the season. Maybe he can come back and contribute, but maybe not. Training camp will tell.
10. Let’s see, probably about 175-180. In 07 you could see him dragging his injured leg and wearing that big brace and didn’t play somewhat free til late in the season. Last year early on, he had some decent games and then he got hurt and was bad after that. When you miss that much time it takes time to come back. Look at Stephon Marbury, he wasn’t injured but hadn’t played in over a year. He didn’t look good last year. In fact, you could argue that TA could have done as well, if he hadn’t been injured.
BTW, TA’s play one way or the other, is not going to decide our season. If he plays well, he’ll get minutes and if not he won’t play.
As the above photo indicates...time waits for no one
God is now 52 years old!
Yeah - I would say the other shoe dropped
directly on Larry’s face and it swelled up …..and he was God-like to me as was/is Russell
Is it Soup Yet?
youngster shoe
i cant think of a young talent that will invole a big baby sign and trade. maybe for granger. and he can trade BB, scal and pruitt. opening up more roster spots to sign powe. then trade back for baby like he did with walker. ok maybe theres a slight chance thats not how it turns out.
anticipation is killing me. please drop the shoe already.
Indiana’s not just going to give away Granger of Big Baby and other Celtics riff raff.
by misterx2day on Jul 24, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
ainge steals the ball
then he steals granger. i like the sound of that. bird for MVP if he comes through like ol buddy mchale did with KG. MVP! MVP! MVP!
by celtsgofor8in on Jul 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Age makes you less attractive
and Bird was ugly when he started out. Granger for Baby Davis? Bwahahahahahaha.
BBD
Does anyone else think that one year ago, if BBD had performed just as well, 3 or 4 teams would have thrown a 10-15 million dollar contract at the man? What a difference a recession makes. I mean without him the C’s wouldn’t have made it past daaaa Bulls.
This may be the only good thing the recession brings us C’s fan. Well, that and I got my new apartment at a bargain price.
The only way I'd do a sign-and-trade...
… is if we’re dumping Tony (and his salary / luxury tax hit) in the process. It’s stupid to pay $5 million to have Tony sit on the bench this season. I’d love to see the team package his contract + Scal’s for more of an impact player, but I doubt that happens at this point.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
My Guess Is
That every time Ainge raises sign and trade possibilities, Bird wants Rondo included in the deal in exchange for TJ Ford. Ainge says no.
And every time Ainge wants to package BBD and some of the Celtics flotsam for Daniels and Jeff Foster, Bird says no.
My further guess is that the real purpose of a sign and trade is to get Marquis Daniels’ Bird rights. If you sign him for the LLE it’s just a one year rental.
Don’t even think about Granger. He’s the Indy franchise all by himself.
he will be signed for the bi-annual
and it will be 2 years at 1.9M
maybe they want to do a swap, BBD for Daniels
i'd rather shed some deadweight and do a s and t involving
tony…tony hs no place on this team with daniels coming
by celticinorlando on Jul 24, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions
we need to get baby back of get someone totally different for
him..sending baby for daniels only fills one hole and opens up another one backing up KG
by celticinorlando on Jul 24, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
I would be very surprised, but very happy
If they could S&T davis & others and get both daniels and foster back I’d be ecstatic. I like fosters game, and he’s a great rebounder off the bench, etc.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Shoes and such
Jeff , I caught a bit of the show the other night…great to listen to a couple of guys talk about hoops without having to dumb it down……gotta figure that Pruitt and Walker are headed out the door…and I would imagine Stephon kept his apartment here for a reason…Baby’s here for another three years ….unless there is a GM out there with a weight fetish…
forget daniels
I was on NBA trade machine on espn and I had Tony Allen, Gabe Pruitt and B. Scalabrine go to Okc. I had Durant, Shaun Livingston and Kyle Weaver come to Boston and it worked
by jfarias on Jul 24, 2009 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
make the deal
works for me jfarias lol lol lol
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