Rumor: Big Baby To New Jersey?
Justin Poulin of Celtics Stuff Live reported a rumor that Glen Davis could be headed to New Jersey in a sign and trade.
He didn't have any additional details, but Alex of NES 24/7 heard the same rumor and indicated that Ainge was after Yi Jianlian. That would make some sense as Ainge was rumored to have liked Yi a lot a few drafts back.
Update: Tom Halzack takes a detailed look at the options on the Nets roster.
As with all rumors, take with a grain of salt. I do think these roster moves will start to wrap up in the next week or so, but you never know.
Update: The Herald reports:
Though the Celtics have attempted to include restricted free agent Glen Davis in several sign-and-trade deals with other teams, sources with the Celtics and New Jersey both shot down a rumor this morning that both teams were attempting to make such an arrangement work.
Though the Nets have not approached Davis with an offer sheet, they have made their interest known in the young power forward.
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Eh...
I’m sure there’s as much veracity to this as the “T.J. Ford to the Celtics” or “Starbury will sign with the Celtics imminently” rumors. Grain of salt.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Yikes
And I thought the players we had to offer were bad…
There are guys playing wheelchair basketball with better lateral mobility than Yi JianLian. If you want to win a championship, just match any offer for BBD.
The guy on NJ’s roster who makes the most sense for the Celtics is Rafer Alston, although I don’t see any sensible way to make the salaries match in a sign and trade for BBD, given the base year compensation rules.
Danny's white whales
imagine if Danny gets Yi and Robert Swift in the same offseason
all he would need is Outlaw to make it a boxed set
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
If we can get two for Baby
If we get Yi,and another player like sean williams. I might be okay with the trade. I do not want Najera.
Yi?
Are you kidding me? He’s terrible.
What a disaster if we trade Baby for Yi.
I wouldn’t be opposed to this even though I think he sucks. I’d play him solely as a PF. His contract is easily tradeable.
He’s also young and should be getting stronger, building his physique. I’m sure he can play better than what he has shown so far.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions
Why would New Jersey do a sign-and-trade?
Why not just use their MLE, which the Celts almost certainly won’t match?
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Also...
The Yi “rumor” makes zero sense, because marketing-wise, Yi more than pays for his contract with NJ. He’s much more valuable to the team than BBD could ever be.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
I really hope you're right.
Because Yi would be a awful fit with Sheed of the bench. We need a post banger, not another floater. Especially not terrible one.
There was even an article about the Nets not trading Yi because of how much money he makes them
I just don’t think Big Baby is going to sell as well in China
If we can offer more flexibility next year for NJ, with the cap lowering as it is, the might be interested.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
They have 15 players under contract as far as I can tell.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
15 signed players
Nets have 15 signed players, so if BB comes someone has to go anyway. If they could also get salary cap room in 2010 by including Dooling or Najera in a multi-player deal then doing an S&T really works to their advantage. I have thought for awhile NJ makes a logical trading partner (with or without BB) if Dooling and Hayes can be obtained and potentially Najera and/or Sean Williams. Some combination of the Scal/TA/Giddens/Pruitt/Walker group with or without BB can make a NJ trade happen that makese sense for both teams.
Yi I never thought was likely from the NJ perspective, and I don’t really see how he advances the Cs cause as a PF who likes to shoot outside, well we have more than enough of those right now.
Why agree to a sign-and-trade, then?
I think we’d be getting back lesser players than BBD. Usually, the threat of a sign-and-trade is “trade me, or I’ll sign there anyway”. If NJ can’t sign him, what’s their leverage?
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
They have 15 guaranteed contracts, and don’t want to pay guys who don’t play or are cut considering their aweful attendance. if you had all that junk on the roster, you’d do the same.
i don’t buy that it’s Yi. it’s Dooling, Williams and their 2010 2nd round pick. then Pruitt gets cut, and Diogu is signed.
Look again!
He had 8.6 pts and 5.3 boards in only 23 min a game last year. That’s two consecutive seasons with those numbers. His stats the past 2 years are better than either one of BBD’s. Sure he needs to improve defensively and shoot a better percentage, however he shoots at LEAST as well as BBD does from the outside. We have just the coaching staff to help this kid get better. As far as upside goes he has a lot more than BBD does. Allowing him to get just a few minutes for a couple years off the bench behind KG and Rasheed would be a great move. I’d do this in a hearbeat!
I agree with you on most of your points here. The kid is 21 years old only. Can shoot the 3 also. And I can’t say this enough, very tradeable asset if needed be. Two seven footers that can shoot the 3 off the bench? Paired up with House shooting 3s, and Daniels slashing? I think that’s a pretty dangerous bench.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
great points EJplaya, and I agree Budweiser
Yi may not be a good defender, but he defends the PF position better than BBD. BBD does have the edge at center though, for sure. Again, Yi is tradeable and has a higher ceiling than BBD. If the Celtics are going to tie up money for the next few years on a player, I’d rather it be a player that has the upside to potentially be a starter on a good team. BBD is not that player.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he 21? Supposedly he's 25.
Not sure if that’s 100% confirmed, but multiple sources have indicated that he was born in 1984. Which makes a big difference in terms of upside.
by PJ Martinez on Jul 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
His shooting percentage looks rather poor, 38%.
The rest of his stats seem okay.
Hasn't it been confirmed that Yi is 45 years old?
Too slow, too old, too soft,
Danny, say it ain't so? We love Powe!
How about Brook Lopez?
I’d take him. He’s a legit seven-footer who can rebound and block some shots (13 pts , 8.1 reb, 1.8 blk). Plus, he’s a Tom Heinsohn favorite… XD
by BleedinGreen417 on Jul 26, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
New Jersey won't trade Lopez
They have a good young core with him and Devin Harris.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Rumor = mentioned by fans on a discussion forum.
Please everyone, do not talk like this is something Danny is trying to do. There is not evidence that it is.
Are you calling Justin Poulin a liar? lol
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If only they had the other Lopez… then Batman would’ve had his sidekick.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby was supposed to be in Omaha Saturday
Fafnir and I went to go see him at a Charity game but he was awol. Faffy had emailed one of the organizers earlier in the week to ask about baby. He just got an email from the guy saying that Baby apologized for missing the Celtics fans who came. Baby said he got a call from Ainge and had to go back to Boston for contract discussion. So maybe a sign and trade is Imminent. If it’s not just for Yi, I can see it happening. If Jersey wants to pay Baby 4 mil a year, they can have him.
I would take
keyon dooling and sean williams. they would both fit well with the current roster. I might take Yi but he would have to be packaged with at least one of the other guys, and i don’t think NJ would ever give up all the dough he makes them.
Dooling and williams would probably be worth big baby tho, although we would lose some valuable scoring from BBD.
I think PG is Ainge's aim
They have three. Dooling or Skip could be dealt with another player (well, skip later in the season. Or do two trades)
he can ball..
He’s real young and skilled.. he can only get better. He can also get stronger and I’m sure being on a team with the likes of KG and Rasheed is going to make him a tougher player.. I’d do that sign and trade.. Big Baby was good and all, but i think he’s a limited player.
Celtics BABY
couldn't agree more
yi is still only 21 years old. He could really use Garnett’s and Rasheed’s guidance. He’s pretty dang athletic and could develop into a nice player. I would be more comfortable about our future, honestly. A few years down the road, Rondo, Yi, and Perkins would be a pretty nice foundation.
We know what Davis is capable of. He played fantastic in last year’s playoffs. but as you say he’s limited, by his size and athletic ability. Yi is taller and can rebound better.
Go for Yi
I would take Yi in a heartbeat. I think he’s got great potential still and would be part of the core in a few years after the Big 3 (and Sheed) get older. All he needs is some confidence and a good coaching staff. KG and Sheed would also be great mentors for him. I think he could develop into a similar type of player. They are all tall, long, very athletic, agile and good shooters from the outside.
The Nets aren't trading Yi
for BBD in a S and T. They’d have to take on another player from the Cs to make the numbers work, because BBD is a BYC player, and the Nets don’t have any roster room. They could take back Scal to make the numbers work and send Yi and a minimum guy like Chris Douglas Roberts back, but they’d be adding a couple million in payroll, which isn’t likely.
They might be willing to do Dooling and Sean Williams for Scal and BBD if the Cs send a few million their way. They could get Dooling off their books next year, and add a widebody they need in BBD for around $3m a year, a reasonable number on their cap next year, $800k less than what Dooling would have gotten.
Dooling is the odd man out on a roster with Devin Harris and Rafer Alston.
Agreed
Makes no sense for them. He earns them a lot of money, which will help them move the team.
PG. Backup C. Those are what they have spares of.
Agreed, they'd be willing to move a bench player
to avoid the risk of the C’s matching if they want BBD. But they won’t give up Yi.
Why not?
Yi + Dooling for Scal and Baby + Cash and/or Pick. Why NJ wouldn’t be interested in this? They get more cap room which they really covet, for next year plust the cash/pick insentive.
They can easily give up on Yi, especially if they think that the 7 million Yi and Dooling make together will hinder them some next year.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Yi makes them so much money in China
There was an article that came out this offseason that said the “Nets are not going to trade Yi because he makes them to much money”
Is Davis really that much of an upgrade for them to trade away that income? Especially when they are trying to build a new arena in NY City?
Did you miss the part where I mentioned cap room?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They already have the cap room they needed
Including Yi, who will rake in the dollars for them.
Which they need to move the team across the river.
Which they need to do to attract the big catch FA.
Actually, they don’t have all the cap room they would want. They have about 9 million in team options that they should pick-up because they’re good prospects (Lopez, Yi, Lee, Douglas-Roberts). You can add Sean Williams in there if you want, that would make 11 million. Then you have Josh Boone who is a restricted free-agent. Then you add to that the cap going down next year.
They’ll have a tough time retaining most of this players and getting two max-contracts of interest as is.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically, they don;t have to pick up those options
And replacing one of them with Davis’ contract doesn’t make sense.
Points more towards a longer guaranteed contract.
And at least keep the Yi money machine there for another year.
The point is not that Baby replaces Yi’s contract. Is that they get rid of Dooling’s contract, for example. Not picking those options would be a mistake, especially if you have to make the choice prior to free-agency. In fact, I’m pretty sure they have to make the decision by November of this year or so.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 27, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nets are under the cap. We can easily make this work.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt want any of those players. the only reason to have Yi is to boost rayings.
if baby is traded it should be for a good player like camby or chandler, etc…damn this rumor is sickning
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 26, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions
I SUPPORT YI
You don’t understand YI at all
He is hard working and he just need a chance to prove himself
I believe the young boy can help BC
injured?
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
not on 38% shooting while playing bad defense
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe if he he sat on garnetts shoulders and just swatted balls all game
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Did I mention anything about him being an all-star caliber player? You might be forgetting all the Chinese voters, especially with Yao out.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 27, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
true...
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
Because every single one of the 1 billion people from china have the same exact characteristics.
Interesting to note
that Yi posted a considerably better rebound rate than BBD this year.
More than anything, that’s a testament against the Infant’s work on the boards, certainly more so than it is one for Yi or necessarily in favor of a sign-and-trade.
That said, Dooling would be a fine pick-up for this time. Did some solid spot work for the Nets last season, comes from Missouri and isn’t named Marbury. Sign me up for him, at least.
-sw
"I didn't go there with the intentions of getting ejected. I went there with the intentions of just telling Kobe, 'You got to relax. You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?'" -Ron Artest, 05.06.09
he’s 7 ft compared to baby at 6’5 is would hope the hell he could rebound better. now if he could only hit his shot consistantly and play good defense
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If it’s a S&T for Sean Williams, then yes please. Make it happen.
Not all that impressed with The Chairman.
Oh yeah, Sean Willams
2nd time around in Boston couldn’t be amy worse than his first time, could it?
BBD or Yi nothing else!
One of them is enough, but I would prefer BBD because he is the better defender against Shag. Yi would be the 4th Shot-Blocker because of his size, but isn’t very strong and had a bad FG% last year…
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
Weird. The NES 24/7 writer first says “Glen Davis will most likely be in a Nets uniform next season” and mentions Justin of CSL as saying “the deal is essentially done”, but in the same sentence says Ainge will pull the trigger only if we can get somebody useful (which better make sense). So if the deal is “essentially done”, how come Ainge doesn’t even know who he’s getting back?
Then he also says “the Celtics will win either way by either keeping Davis at a price they want or by adding a piece from NJ”. So is the deal “essentially done” or is it just a vague romor?
I hope the BBD saga ends very soon!
Not a CHANCE
First of all, none of you realize how good Yi will be, or how much he’s already built up his body.
Second, why the hell would we trade Yi for Big Baby? We need a “moose” and I’d love to get BBD, but he’s not even in Yi’s class as a bball player.
FYI: This guy is not my source
…but he claims to know something about all this.
http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
take it for what it is worth
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
I don’t know, but I really have a feeling that something like BBD+Scal+Pruitt for Sean Williams/Dooling/Najera could materialize very soon.
Or BBD for Yi straight up or Najera+pick.
And if we get SWAT/Dooling/Najera, we basically sign or trade for Daniels and our bench is:
C Sheed/SWAT
PF Najera/SWAT
SF Daniels/Najera
SG House/Daniels
PG Dooling/House
I woul love that bench.
by P2 on Jul 27, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I could see that happening too
we’ll see though
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
her is the SCARY thought..if boston loses baby then who do they go after
as a big man..i mean 2 bigs? they have to find some girth for the bench
by celticinorlando on Jul 27, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions
Not scary, our big man bench currently has KG, Perk, Sheed, and Scal. 3 of those are excellent PF and Center defenders, the other one can stepup decently when needed. What we need is depth, anthing more is pure gravy.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
scal as the primary PF? no way
that is a good thing…you are making a case for more depth as I am…my orginial post was about replacing baby on the bench with someone…losing him for free would really hurt the bench
by celticinorlando on Jul 27, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Scal is not the primary PF. Sheed is the primary PF and C.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
get me Yi, dooling and a 1st round pick for baby...
you have a big and point, you have daniels coming…you still have the biannual to offer another big and you can add bowen on the cheap…..
by celticinorlando on Jul 27, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions
Now you’re simply overvaluing Baby and being greedy.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 27, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There are only two... maybe three players that I would do a sign and trade with NJ for...
Devin Harris
Brook Lopez
Courtney Lee (Maybe)
You gotta be kidding me. There’s only one player I would trade Big Baby for: Chris Paul. Ridiculous.
AND I OBVIOUSLY KNOW WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THOSE PLAYERS!
My point is that I do not know who at all I would trade for on the Nets in a sign and trade with Big Baby because those are the only three players I would want because all the others are not good at all.
We’re supposed to laugh at this, right?
by a tommy point on Jul 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this site for real...
Nobody here posting made any sense what so ever… just a bunch of guys calling each other names over rumors… we’re all here for the same cause so ease up on one another…. now basketball talk: :-)
If Yi came over, it would be the equivalent of BBD b/c HE TOO prefers to SHOOT from the outside over banging inside (b/c of hes 6’6)…. And Yi CAN bang inside (w/more efficeincy than BBD b/c of his height) but he plays along side Lopez who is a LEGIT banger…theoretically, they cant swap places on the floor and expect to keep things spaced out for good offense.
As far as coaching goes, no diss to LawrenceFrank but I think Doc knows what to do w/his pieces (especially since he has better ones, yea) and if he had a problem like Yi (sarcasm for you negative pundits), Im sure he’d have room for a 7ft’r who can post up AND shoot it decent from 15-20ft… thats just not a problem Id want on my basketball team… As a basketball fan and a REALIST, Im afraid of what you really want. (keyon doolng?GARBAGE!)
by WeakTheoryCrusher on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
i really dont like this deal.........
“In the midst of all this, Alex from NES 24/7 called into the show for a 30-minute conversation on sign and trade rumors. For fans who dislike rumor talk, the middle of the show is not for you, but for the rest of us who enjoy speculation it was a hit. Alex confirmed that he had been hearing the same rumor as Justin from a different source; that Glen Davis is headed to New Jersey in a sign and trade. While Justin was reluctant to post any such rumor in print without specific details, Alex reported that Yi Jianlian was the target and it is likely that no further details have been sorted out yet. "
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
prediction: any deal involving baby is going to include boozer
the Cs are trying to get involved on any boozer deal.
per the update from the herald
i don’t believe Davis is going to NJ. there is a VERY good chance — if doesn’t resign with the Cs — he could be part of a deal that sends Boozer to NJ, or Boozer directly to Boston. either way he ends up in Utah.

























