Gabe Pruitt Is Just About Done Here
by Jeff Clark on Jul 29, 2009 5:47 AM EDT
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PrintAn NBA source confirmed yesterday the Celtics are attempting to trade Pruitt, whose option deadline is Friday. The Celtics are leaning toward not picking up Pruitt’s option, which would leave the guard free to sign with another team.
Pruitt is unlikely to be used as part of a sign-and-trade deal involving Indiana guard Marquis Daniels, since the Pacers have three point guards. A three-team trade involving Pruitt also is unlikely, a league source said.
This news can't come as too much of a surprise to anyone. He obviously didn't progress enough for the coaching staff to feel comfortable with him on the court. With a gaping whole at the backup point guard position, he couldn't win the job or earn any significant playing time.
Maybe he'll catch on somewhere else in a different system but all signs point to an exit from Boston. Right now he might best serve the Celtics as a trade chip. As we have mentioned here several times, he can be traded and waived before August 1st, saving the team that acquires him his (admittedly small) salary. As noted by the Globe, he's unlikely to go to Indy but perhaps he could still be part of a Big Baby sign-and-trade. I was kind of hoping that would be the case because then we'd have some resolution on some of these roster moves by the end of July.
Or maybe he'll just be waived. We'll find out soon enough.
Bonus link: Tom Halzack gives a nice rundown on where we stand now and gets bonus points for using the word "deleterious."
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makes sense
I’ve been saying for a while now that he was gone. Either via trade or just outright waved.
Sorry to all the Pruitt apologists, but he just hasn’t shown anything to deserve to be on a championship squad. He had his chance last season and couldn’t crack the rotation, leading to the acquisition of Marbury.
The same people who want Pruitt to get a shot at the backup pg minutes this year and want nothing to do with Marbury forget that Pruitt’s inability was the reason Marbury was signed in the first place.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 6:20 AM EDT reply actions
by the by
that’s not a Marbury endorsement, just saying …
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly who are you endorsing?
… just saying.
Maybe, but I'm willing to bet he won't.
Let some other team find out … I’m not looking for another feel good story. I want banner 18.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
maine represent...woot woot
im up in the woods too
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
In NYC now unfortunately
but keeping the great state close to my heart.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
as a pruitt apologist...
it’s not like he’s been given consistent minutes at any point in the last 2 years to prove what he can or can’t do. He’s shown he can do some good things (shoot from outside, play solid D, handle the balll) and he’s shown some bad things (mostly timidness, indecision, unwillingness to penetrate).
In my opinion, the good things he has shown are real NBA skills that add value to a team – especially his outside shot. The bad things he’s shown are typical of young players who still aren’t comfortable on the floor. Chauncey Billups is a great example of a player with talent who took a long time to become comfortable on the floor.
So to me, the jury is still very much out on Gabe. This isn’t Tony Allen, who was given consistent minutes over his career with Boston and consistently did things that made everyone cringe. From my POV you’ve got to take another look at him because the NBA skills he has are real, and the young player drawbacks… they might just be typical young player drawbacks.
by milt palacio's shot on Jul 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Given consistent minutes?
How about he never earned consistent minutes so YOU haven’t been able to see what he can or can’t do. The coaching staff has had this kid up close and personal for 2 years and have a very good idea of his abilities. Giving young guys minutes, earned or not, as a way to help them develop is a thing for lottery teams, not championship contenders.
I guess I'd qualify as an Pruitt apologist.
In politics there’s a saying, you can’t beat somebody with nobody. You want to remove an officeholder? Fine, who’s your candidate?
Sure, one can argue Pruitt isn’t much of anything. But I’m still waiting to hear anyone propose a realistic alternative for a backup point guard. I know House couldn’t deliver. And despite all his hype, neither could Marbury. No, what I mostly hear about are a collection of overly small, shot-challenged, defensively weak mediocrities.
People here are complaining about how Pruitt played in the summer league. My, my. What was expected? Did anyone really imagine some point guard could’ve drawn together that squad in a week and make it hum like a well-oiled machine? Maybe that’s the problem with point guards.Folks are always hoping they’ll make all a team’s deficiencies magically disappear.
But okay, I’ve had my say. We’ll see how things turn out.
To me...
I’m HOPING that’s what he’s gonna do. I don’t care if that’s Marbury; that stream means nothing to me. Marbury’s clearly not lonely in there when Moses (his bro) and Mooncricket (another JTV user) are hanging out with him on his stream. They all seem crazy, but they’re having fun.
And either way, even if MaineBleedsGreen said swore it wasn’t a Marbury endorsement, he made it clear Marbury was considered better than Pruitt by the Celtics, and even if it wasn’t by much BY ANY MEANS, Marbury showed that he was better than Pruitt
I also think it's too bad.
I’m a big Pruitt fan. Think he’s got a lot of talent. Too bad it couldn’t work out here.
The young man can play as you will see when he is released. Doc Rivers doesnt’ like young players. He’s not a starter but a backup. On one can make me beleive he could not have played better than Marbury at the end of the year.
This guy Daniels is fragile as fine china. Checkout how many games he missed in the last three years. Bird is not giveing him away for no reason. You can not count on Daniels because he is always hurt. This is not Kevin McHale doing one for old time sake. This is Larry Bid who is a hard nose businessman.
Right, right. It’s all Doc’s fault. Pruitt will go on to have a major career with another franchise, just like Marcus Banks before him…
Marcus Banks did not have NBA range
Pruitt does. And he can defend. He’s not a great player but doesn’t need to be.
I’d like to know who his replacement is going to be and what they’ll bring to the table. One idea? Iverson.
The NBA is full of solid contributors who never had what you called “NBA range”. And no, Iverson isn’t coming to Boston to play backup PG.
so who is going to make that contribution, and what will they bring to the table?
you have about as much of a clue as i do about whether iverson could be an option for the celtics, my friend….
and whether or not there are good players in the NBA who don't have shooting range..
doesn’t remove the fact that pruitt does and that’s an asset.
yeah
and Pruitts taller then Marbury right ssspence?? that’s an asset that you love to usually include in this argument too.
I love how much YOU love Pruitt. and how defensive you get for a player who hasn’t done anything. Even in summer league he barely contributed. 10ppg 4apg against summer league talent, where 90% of those guys won’t sniff the NBA, is not justification for back up PG minute on a championship caliber team. Just not sure how watching him play a minimal role in garbage time has given you such confidence in his abilities.
but hey, I’ll be the first to admit my ignorance if he excels somewhere else. Neither of us should hold our breath for that happening though.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
pruitt is a flawed player, but...
1) (speaking of marcus banks), summer league is meaningless;
2) pruitt’s aforementioned eight related to his defensive ability is an asset — gotta have a guy that can play with House on the defensive end — Gabe can do that;
3) The options in FA are a joke.
I have yet to hear a single arguement as to who we should sign with the Vet Min (which is all we’re going to have) who makes more sense. Name a guy who is a solid defender, shooter and ball handler who we can sign for cheap. Knock yourself out — make an arguement.
SSSPence, are you Gabe Pruit?
Seriously, if not, I had no idea he had fans. Good for you (and him). One mans junk is another mans treasure.
if Gabe Pruitt is the type to make sound arguements ripe with foresight and recognition of the marketplace
then yes — i’m Gabe.
A good shooter in theory
in that his shot looks nice, good release, arc, etc. But he never seems to be consistent in making it. I know, I know, he hasn’t had the minutes or attempts, but regardless, his actual FG % (.321 overall and .283 from 3) tells a different story than how his shot looks.
if you know, then why go ahead and make the point that's ruined by what you know?
got alot of other examples of young point guards who shoot high %s without minutes?
i’m still waiting for someone to tell me who would be a better fit for the veteran minimum on the FA market…
I agree
it’s too bad and Danny must have someone else in mind. Plus I think Hudson is going to take over as the third string PG. Gabe has some talent but in the end I don’t think he is quite assertive enough to make it. Still young enough to make it in this league…
Sign Tom Halczak to the blog!
Jeff, can you bring that guy here? He is fantastic!! What a dimension he would add to your blog. It would be like adding Sheed to an already great frontcourt of writers…
I have ZERO interest in Yi. I do have some in Boone though…
Thanks cousin Ricky.
You’ve always been a favorite relative…. uhhh…..I mean…reader of mine.
Yes, I’ll be there Sunday for the cook out. No, I won’t bring steak. I’ll bring potato salad…. like always.
See you then,
Sheed…I mean Tom
“Both teams played hard.”
(RF3.0 thanks for the kind words.)
The deal is essentially Davis for Daniels
from the C’s perspective. I predict it will be a 3-way with NJ and IND. What other pieces move where is not clear, but Tom did a great job of getting at the motivations and interests (or lack thereof) of the other two teams in what the C’s have to offer.
Now that we're clearing people who don't belong in the NBA
We can start filling the roster with actual players.
Typically I agree with the sentiment that Doc doesn’t play young players, even if they are very good, and most can succeed on another team. However, that is not the case with Pruitt.
Just having one bench position cleared feels good at this point since there’s been so little activity. Hopefully this is the beginning of the finaliziation of the roster.
LOL
Overreaction…Gabe’s a timid 2nd rounder….Chauncey was the 3rd overall pick who was traded his rookie year…big difference
by Celtic Justice on Jul 29, 2009 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
some difference
Billups needed 5 years in the league to show he was a good player and got time only because he was the 3rd pick. Pruitt won’t get that time without producing.
The Billups trade was a good trade, not a bad one. Getting Kenny Anderson was what the team needed at the time and he played productively for several years.
Any doubts about trading Billups, just look at how little time C’s fans give any rookies on the roster to show they should be getting minutes. People have been ready to toss Giddens and Walker out because they didn’t break Doc’s rotation as rookies. Does anyone honestly think Billups wouldn’t have been crucified as the 3rd pick and not developing until his 5th year?
Now the JJ vs Kedrick move for Rodney Rogers—>THAT was a bad decision. JJ had shown much more promise than Kedrick before being traded.
Oh, so back to Pruitt. Not surprised he’ll be off the roster by the end of the week but a little surprised Danny couldn’t move him in a trade (with another trading chip) to bring back someone better.
Billups needed 5 years in the league to show he was a good player and got time only because he was the 3rd pick. Pruitt won’t get that time without producing.
yeah. and Billups was the third pick because he was that good and even though it took him a little while he eventually showed that … Pruitt was a second round pick because ??? You really think all those teams that passed on him originally are just waiting their turn to sign him up now and give him playing time after showing nothing on the C’s?
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
missing the point
my point is not that Pruitt deserves playing time. it’s that many Boston fans have little patience for players that need development time. The Billups example in particular is a pet peeve of mine when I see someone say the Billups trade was a mistake. It wasn’t. Anyone suggesting that the C’s would have been rewarded with an all-star if they had just given him some time to develop is delusional. Boston fans would never tolerate a player requiring that long to develop (5 years) and that tolerance would be very short for a pick that high in the draft. More importantly than the fans, the C’s organization should not have to invest that much time into a player to see if they pan out.
Hope you guys are right
Hate to miss out on a great player again.
This goes to show how little patience the Celtics (and many other teams) has with young players whether thye are high picks or low ones. Thank God Bird had the type of rookie season he had, otherwise he might have been traded as well.
Other than BIrd, I think Reggie Lewis was the other draftee that the Celtics hung onto long enough. Reggie was getting virtually 0 playing time in the first two seasons but he was impressive enough in pratices for the Celtics to keep for a while longer.
I can't totally agree that Doc "doesn't play young players"....
Our starting five has not one but two young players in Rondo and Perk. Rondo had his share of DNPs but once Doc saw what he could do, he eventually became a starter. Perk went through the same thing. Pruitt had his chances but apparently Doc doesn’t think highly enough of him to give him the back up PG slot. It’s not like Pruitt wasn’t given the chance to be a part of the team’s regular rotation.
by radiohead on Jul 29, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Rondo, Perkins, Powe, BBD
…sll young players that found there way in.
Doc just doesn’t play players who aren’t at the right level yet.
by stevenfuzz on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Which he assesses in practice, not by handing out developmental minutes in games so all the CelticBloggers can make their judgment. Doc has always been consistent in this regard, even when the team was full of youth. He always said in response to people wanting this guy or that guy to play more, that the only justifiable way to give guys minutes was if they beat out their competition in practice. Even then, games weren’t used as auditions as Doc felt it could in fact retard a player’s development if they were just given minutes because of their promise even if they weren’t actually earning it.
By the examples cited above, age is not in the equation for Doc as a sole criteria, if he thinks minutes are deserved, he gives them to those he feels gives his team the best chance to win.
Nice young man, but failed to launch
No need for anyone to be harsh about Pruitt. Nice enought kid. He was a 2nd rounder (still don’t know how Danny picked him ahead of Big Baby) so not a bust. He has some smooth talents but just didn’t show me, as a fan, the assertiveness necessary for the NBA jungle. If I could see that, I’m sure it wasn’t lost on coaches.
Sign Big Baby, throw Tony Allen into the Daniels trade (TA has talent. Change of scenery may be the key to his value), and roll the dice with Hudson at end of bench. Pick up another PG (assuming no Marbury) at mid season when some better names appear. And please, pretty please, no Tyron Lue talk.
Does Not Compute
Pruitt’s attraction as a trade target is his non guaranteed contract. A team looking to save a little money acquires him this week, and then cuts him on Friday.
So if you are going to cut him on Friday anyway, what difference does it make what position he plays? The explanation of why Indiana didn’t want him makes zero sense, and it’s too bad someone on the Globe staff didn’t at least raise the question.
As for Pruitt, I still think he would have been a better option last year than Marbury. However, Pruitt lost me as a booster with his spotty play in Summer league. He’s a nice kid, but he’s not assertive enough to run an NBA team on the floor, especially a veteran team.
there's some debate about whether his contract becomes guaranteed when traded
tho the details of his deal have always been unclear.
If That Is True...
…then Ainge erred when negotiating Pruitt’s Deal
Let Me Add..
That someone on the Globe should have asked the question about Pruitt’s contract becoming guaranteed by a trade before writing the article. No wonder the Globe is on the verge of going under. Whatever happened to plain old fashioned journalism?
see the bigger picture
Doc played Perk and Rondo because he had no one else for their positions.
Who was going to play Center ahead of Perk? Raef? (for a small time) Ratliff? (played a game)
Who was going to play PG ahead of Rondo? Telfair? (he was handed the job and absolutely stunk at it).
Doc plays youth only when he has no other options.
He had no other option last year at back up PG
so by your logic Pruitt should have played. but he didn’t and then they gave the position to a horrible Marbury.
Who everyone kept saying was playing/shooting great in practice. Obviously practice doesn’t count in W-L’s but clearly he outplayed Pruitt enough in practice once he was here to secure that spot in the rotation.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Jul 29, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
missed the point completely
I’m not saying Pruitt should have gotten playing time at all. Actually read my post. My point is that Doc doesn’t play youth unless he has no choice. That’s the only reason Perk and Rondo got court time that early in their careers. That statement in no way says anything about Pruitt deserving time, just that young players only get playing time from Doc when he has no other options. Pruitt actually started getting time after TA went down and seemed to be complementing House on the court. Not a fantastic job but serviceable. Once TA was back, Pruitt was back on the bench and then the DUI incident pretty much did him in for the year —→ bringing in Marbury as the backup PG.
In fairness, my post was in response to Radiohead above and not a post to the main topic. But, that doesn’t explain how you misinterpreted what I wrote.
Bummer
I didn’t like this pick when it happened on draft night because I was hoping for Big Baby … at least we got Baby in the end. I guess not all of Danny’s 2nd rounders will pan out.
I hope we can at least keep B Walker and give him another year to show some progress.
for some reason...
You never know what will happen when the thing holding a guy back is his personality or mindset. His career could go Will Bynum or Kedrick Brown, but I think I agree with the move. Roster spots are valuable, and Hudson looks solid. We can’t keep playing the waiting game with Gabe.
Hudson Solid?
Hudson has no idea of how to play the point or run a team. He is a 25 year old, 6-2 shooting guard.
Hudson
As someone who has scouted him, I can tell you that he can play the point. He can get the ball over halfcourt and be an actual threat on offense.
I don’t understand the description of him as an insult. Eddie House is a 31 year old, 6-1 shooting guard.
I Watched Him In Summer League
He can’t run an offense.
lol
The 38 minutes that you saw him play were definitely enough to peg him.
point is --
Don’t care if you live on the campus of U Tenn- Martin. Hudson is not the answer to replacing Pruitt.
????
Summer league is a terrible way to judge Point Guards. That is the hardest position to play with a piece-mail team with no real plays.
I think Hudson is going to be a diamond in the rough.
Team Is Almost Set
I have not posted since the postseason ended for the Celtics, but have checked in with the Blog daily since. First, I must say that this is by far the best blog about the Celtics on the web. I am constantly impressed with the depth and analysis by most of the posters, as well as the love for the C’s.
I have to weigh in on the debate about filling out the roster. Our first priority is to keep Davis. He is a known quantity and knows our system. He is the best available big out there. Sign him for one year and he will play very well because he will be playing for a nice contract after he becomes an unrestricted free agent. With Perk’s shoulder and KG’s knee, Davis will be essential off the bench. I love Scal but he is not the answer in case an injury befalls one of the bigs. Also, I love Powe, but we have to be realistic about his health. If he is available after he is cleared to play, then sign him. Let’s get Daniels and give up Pruitt and either Giddens or Walker. But let’s not get rid of both of them. One of them will contribute more this season and I think we will all be pleasantly surprised. As to a back up PG, I still want Marbury even though he is certifiable. He is the best backup on the market. Get another big, like Bowen, and we are set. We would have a bench of BBD, Sheed, Eddie, Daniels, Marbury, Walker or Giddens, Scal, Bowen, TA (since no body wants him, but he can still play a role). That gives us 14. Number 15 can then be anyone. That is a hell of a bench. So, not much more to do except get BBD and Marbury under contract and get Daniels here. I do not think there will be a deeper team in the league, San Antonio and Orlando notwithstanding. If Odom walks, then LA is not the favorite in the West. That distinction will go to either SA or Portland.
Pruitt's better than Tyronn Lue...
Pruitt’s decent for what he is…if the Cs go in another direction, I hope they don’t bring in somebody worse and older like Lue…
If Pruitt is gone, hopefully Hudson gets a shot to make the team….he’s got serious game and could really be a nice find…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jul 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks for Trying Gabe...
Good luck elsewhere. I agree that he can’t run an offense. And he’s definitely not aggressive enough, although I suppose we’re spoiled with watching our starting PG.
I am waiting for Aug. 1
Our bench stinks. Pruitt is garbage. Allen, Giddens, Wa\lker, Hudson, etc… Just House. Sheed, and Scal are any good. We have at present no backup point guard. We have no third string point guard, and we have only 4 bigs if we count Scal, and we have no backup small forward, if we don’t count Daniels who is not yet really ours. That,boys, rots.
Also, Ainge has proved a less than average GM on many occasions when it comes to trades and signings. We will see. We will see. I for one am waiting for Saturday the 1st of August., waiver day and the day all will be resolved. Since Pruitt is gone, then another point guard is hopefully coming. Please no Marbury. That videoing of his has really damaged his image for me at least.
Call me crazy...
But have you seen Giddens, Walker, or Hudson play enough to decied they are totally worthless?
I’ll tell you one thing, and I know I know… Walker sure can put the ball in the basket like a man.
If Pruitt is not going to be traded through sign and trade with Indy...
I just hope he gets waived because I don’t want Big Baby to get traded trough a sign and trade.
What do Pruitt supporters see in him.
Here are some of the comments above in support of Pruitt, with my responses.
1) He can shoot. Huh? The guy is one of the worst percentage shooters in the league. Pruitt was 425th in the league in FG% last year. Since there are only 450 players in the league, that’s not an indication that “Pruitt can shoot.”
2) He’s a tall PG. Half right. He is tall, but watching him try to play PG as the second unit fritters away first quarter leads is very painful. Any competent NBA quality backup PG can run a club better than this guy. I’m tall too, but I don’t see DA trying to sign me to play next to Eddie House.
Pruitt is a decent NBA player, but he certainly isn’t a stopper, and his defensive abilities don’t make up for the huge gaps in his game, namely shooting and trying to run a team.
3) He’s better than Pruitt can’t be trusted to play more than 6 minutes in 14 playoff games, on a team with only one real PG. I’ll take almost every kickaround PG in the league over Pruitt. Anthony Carter is way better. Tyronn Lue is better. Anthony Johnson is better. Even Marbury is better. Ancient Kevin Ollie is better.
Pruitt has proven that he can’t handle the backup PG job. It’s not Doc’s job, coaching a championship level team, to force feed minutes to a callow backup PG. If we’re talking promising young big man, maybe Doc can make a concerted effort to sprinkle him in for a few minutes a half. But backup PGs on a great team (with a salary structure top heavy with max guys and weak on overall bench strength) can’t learn on the job.
To be honest, I didn’t like Pruitt the first time I saw him in person. he wasn’t dressing for a home game early in his rookie year, and he spent the whole pre-pregame shootaround session joking around, while scrubs on the other team were at the other end working diligently to get up shots.
Pruitt just didn’t carry himself like an NBA player then, and he really hasn’t since then. I’m not going to miss him. Maybe he finds himself some day on a Memphis or Minnesota, and becomes a solid NBA player, but I’d be surprised. I stand by my initial impression. Gabe Pruitt is not an NBA quality PG.
great post, I'm in general agreement
Everytime I saw him practicing and/or shooting around he was completely joking around. In some ways he is the anti-Powe.
I’m anxious to see who they sign instead.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If this was the forums
You’d have gotten a TP, easily. Doc’s not perfect, by any means, but people said some good things about Pruitt in this topic when the essence of that argument could’ve been said about Marbury. By that, I don’t mean they necessarily did the exact same things well. I mean that while I felt Marbury did some “good things” while with the Celtics, everyone agrees it wasn’t nearly enough. Same for Pruitt. He can defend, sure. He’s a tall PG, sure. But the bottom line was, that wasn’t enough. In Marbury’s case, he could supposedly pass well, and maybe put up a jump shot and hit once in a millennium, and considering he only had the confidence to shoot once in a millennium, that wasn’t nearly enough either.
When slammaineking said Doc only let Rondo and Perks start because there was no one else there in those positions, I’m glad MaineBleedsGreen was kind enough to mention that Pruitt still wasn’t given the backup PG job despite supposedly no one being there, either. No, they got Marbury. Despite everything I said in the first paragraph, Marbury was still seen as the guy more ready to do backup PG when he came to Boston. And you know what? I think Marbury proved himself better, even if he wasn’t everything we were looking for in him.
Pruitt has had his chance. Sad as it is to say, he blew it.
Ainge has Done a Great Job So Far
I have no complaints about what Ainge has done.
1. He signed the best available big man out there— a 4-time all star with multiple skills and no significant injury history. Plus, he’s a perfect fit for Rivers’ system. A+
2. He signed the best available free agent wing player. This is a starting quality 6-6 guy who can score and defend (when he wants to).
Those two players alone make it a successful offseason. As for Davis, he’s a good player and I hope he stays. But if he goes, they will need a 4th big given Perkins’ shoulder, Garnett’s knee and Scalabrine’s concussions. I would have no problem acquiring Najera or Boone in a sign and trade with NJ. I do not want Yi, because he can’t defend, or Shawn Williams, who isn’t mature enough to be a contributor on a good team (plus he has no offensive skills). Jeff Foster would be fine too, if Indiana can be induced to part with him.
As for Tony Allen, I’m not one of the haters. He can still be very useful off the bench, if healthy. But if he goes, then best of luck. He won’t ever be successful in Rivers jump shooting offense. He needs to go to an up tempo team like the Knicks.
They will find a backup pg better than Marbury. My first choices among the free agents would be Kevin Ollie or Bobby Jackson (if Jackson is healthy). But there are plenty of veteran guys who could be had in a trade for some of Boston’s young players, such as Mike James and Jannero Pargo (just to name two).
i have to agree with this post.
i just don’t want to lose baby for nothing. they need to have some depth at PF and C on the bench and losing baby for zero would be tough to replace
by celticinorlando on Jul 29, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm in General Agreement
and for some reason was a bit surprised this was posted by Brick. I’m glad you’re giving DA credit for what I also think has been very successful. In fact, I already have my Rasheed Wallace (one of only 2 celtics jersey’s I own).
Personally I’d rather they do the S&T with BBD to get another big, but considering the low minutes we’re talking about then its not a huge deal. Also, if healthy, I think Scal should be getting BBD’s minutes, with the few exceptions of matchup issues (large PF/Cs).
I’m with you on TA. While he didn’t pan out like we had all hoped, he’s still better than nothing. He’s also still a well above average defender for his position, and that holds tactical value.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice Post Brick
I especially like the comment on Tony. And I hope you’re right about finding a better pg than Marbury.
if pruitt had something to offer he would have shown it by
now. look at chalmers..rookie who showed he can play…pruitt has ahd ample opportunity in practice and in games to show he is ready for important minutes. he hasn’t stepped up to the challenge. good riddance
by celticinorlando on Jul 29, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Nope
Part of the article that was left out, also said Gabe played well last October. Then when the season begins he sits for three months until Tony got hurt. He played well enough to where Doc even said Tony would have to fit in to the new ball movement with the second unit. But instead, Doc played Tony and reduced Gabe’s minutes to almost nothing. The second unit began to stall again. Enter Marbury.
Regarding Chalmers, the guy was a turnover waiting to happen when the season first began. Do you really think that Doc would have stood for that? I don’t think anyone is saying that Gabe is the second coming of Jo Jo White or anything, but to compare him to guys who got to play through all their mistakes is misleading.
He was not given the same chance as TA, Marbury, BBD, or Rondo. All I was pleading for was to give the guy 16 minutes a game until the trade deadline. But it’s all moot now anyway. I just hope that if he’s released that he is able to catch on with a team and get some minutes. He’s good enough to be a career back-up in this league.
by amenhotep04 on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
i just think that if gabe had anything to offer...doc and danny would have seen signs of it
by now. if they cut him loose then they must not have
by celticinorlando on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I do agree with you here, though I’m totally confused by the situation. He’s obviously not doing something that Doc wants. What kills me about it all however, is that TA has gotten so many opportunities, and Gabe hasn’t. I don’t think they were treated the same, and I do believe Doc has favorites that go beyond basketball skill.
But whatever. If Gabe is gone, he’s gone. I’ve been a Cs fan since Cousy was in uniform. I won’t stop now.
They took his time....
….Because of that DUI. He’s a good enough third string point guard, but he has no edge and guys like this are all over the d league.
Who is Gabe Pruit again?
Someone wake me up when I never have to hear his name again again.
by stevenfuzz on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
gabe who?
honestly who really cares what they do with gabe if we keep him hes gonna rid the pine all season, if we get rid of him then woooo we have 3 extra dollars of cap space that i guess we could jus give to marquis
Hudson
I just think it is interesting that given the little amount of time they saw Hudson play and practice, they appear to have made the decision that Hudson has more upside than Pruitt. That said, between Doc and DA you have two experienced NBA guards evaluating and deciding on the talent. The ought to know, and perhaps right away, which of the two guards has the potential they are looking for. Or… that Pruitt clearly does not, so you might as well use your development spot on someone who may pan out.
Well..
I think it’s more that they are done with Pruit, not that they have decided on Hudson. He doesn’t have a contract. Hudson does have some potential though.
Without actual game time, don't over-rate Doc's ability to assess players.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe Doc and Ainge are correct that Pruitt can’t cut it. But I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re overestimating their ability to assess players simply from practice time. Remember, this is the same Doc who once explained that if a player wasn’t in the rotation, or at least in the top ten during practice, that he hardly knew what was going on with them. (He said this last year when somebody asked how O’Bryant was progressing.) This is also the same Doc who has a maddening habit of playing certain guys off the bench, and then seemingly forgetting about them for other weeks. Gomes, Davis, Powe, and House have all disappeared for long stretches of time. And this was also the same Doc, who from personal workouts, told Ainge to definitely get O’Bryant last year (or at least, members of his coaching staff did).
back up point guard is someone we dont know yet
hudson will be a D league balla
by celticinorlando on Jul 29, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
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