Steph May Be Done Here
The Globe Reports:
Celtics free agent guard Stephon Marbury said to The Globe early Friday morning that he doesn't expect to be returning to Boston after receiving a disappointing one-year contract paying $1.3 million using the veteran's minimum.The 32-year-old said three other teams, which he would not disclose, are currently interested.
Despite the disappointment for Marbury, he was thankful the Celtics gave him a chance after his Knicks situation ended.
"Thank you Boston for allowing the world to see me play again after all that went on in N.Y.," said Marbury, via e-mail to The Globe. "The fans treated me with open arms and that's all anyone can ask for."
Boston has three other point guards on the roster in Rajon Rondo, Eddie House and Gabe Pruitt, who has a team option for next season that must be decided upon by Aug. 1. The Celtics have also inquired about Orlando free agent point guard Tyronn Lue.
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Can anything else go wrong for us?
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"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jul 3, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions
That's an insult to Marbury? It's more of an insult of management's intelligence.
What in Marbury’s performance for us merited even the vet’s minimum? We could have easily gotten better production from Pruitt or an NBDL PG without all of the narcissism.
by Finkelskyhook on Jul 3, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it really going wrong--
or did Danny and Doc merely play their role perfectly: speak highly of the vet they had come in and play with them and refer to wanting them back—but offer a ‘no thank you’ minimum contract? Lester and Gabe are interesting combo guard possibilities and there are always plenty of washed up veteran points out there cheap as well. I think the C’s deal with the 5, 3 and 4 positions before feeling pressured at the 1. Unfortunately, Marbury underperformed embarrassing throughout his time here. Especially if they add experience with Sheed and at the backup 3, they can afford a little youth at the backup 1/2 spots.
he must have been deluding himself
if he thought he could get anything more from the Celtics.
If he goes to the Lakers or another contender....
"It will be fun watching the Lakers get those balloons down one at a time." - Bill Russell
by silvershamrocker on Jul 3, 2009 8:34 AM EDT reply actions
So let me get this straight...
No more Starbury…no more Leon Powe….and all you’ve brought in to help so far is the crappy Stromile Swift. And who knows whats going on in Rondo’s head, whether he knows he was going to not get traded or not. And Danny thinks Rasheed Wallace is the answer to all these problems?
I had more confidence in a championship-caliber roster that included an injured Garnett this year.
What did you want?
Anything more than the vet minimum eats into the MLE. Danny needs his MLE for players who are better than Steph. Would you prefer to bring back Starbury and his 4.4 PER and lose out on Rasheed, Grant Hill, or some other player who could actually help the team win?
what a surprise
I thought Marbury was saying he didn’t really care about the money side of things.
They actually offered Marbury a contract?
I don`t know what`s more shocking…
The fact that Boston offered him anything OR the fact that he rejected it!!!
Backup PG options
Looks like Tyrone Lue or Antonio Daniels. we can’t make the finals with Eddie as our No. 2 PG. Grant Hill could be an option if he comes to Boston, but I would prefer re-signing Marbury or trading TA, Scal, Gabe for a capable backup.
hmm
Didn’t we already win the finals with Eddie as our No. 2 PG? ha
hudson wont even make the team and pruitt
has shown ZERO in 2 years…i didn’t think we could get any worse than last year’s bench but we are sure headed that way. looks like another year of tony allen jacking up wild shots, eddie trying to run the point…pierce playing 40 plus minutes, garnett playing 40 plus minutes with scal trying to back up the power forward spot….bill walker getting nothing but garbage time dunks, giddens looking nice in his suit and robert swift playing this year’s version of POB…
lets recap…baby might walk…boston has every egg in the basket of 1 big man in sheed…who prolly goes to the spurs….goodbye marbury…goodbye powe….danny are you even trying? lue stinks. there is a reason he couldn’t beat anthony johnson out in orlando…daniels is old and washed up….i really don’t like anyone on the boston bench except eddie..don’t think they have anything in walker, giddens, scal and tony..
his fault....
Not interested in a ring?? Than just go away…. But damn, he was a good assist-man backup for Rondo but I like the idea of Grant Hill as well – but I think that never happens…
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
If danny lets this guys leave,
He’s dropping the ball. A motivated, skilled, vet PG with a lot to prove and a love for playing here….
I agree with powe, but after his snub then this, i really wouldnt be surprised if they offered ray allen the vet minimum next year or just told him they dont want him back….
I guess with danny, anything is possible…
I’d be motivated for the veteran’s minimum….But like Marbury, I can’t shoot.
by Finkelskyhook on Jul 3, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
danny got who he wanted already in free agency...robert swift
his work his done….just resign mikki moore and things will be just peachy
This can be placed in just about every recent thread topic:
It’s amazing to me the amount of panic and disillusionment that some of our fellow CelticsBloggers continue to show.
Be patient. Let Danny and Doc do their jobs.
There are so many factors involved in the team’s decision making process as to free agents, roster spots, short term plan, long term plan, cash flow factors…………..I assure you we don’t know half of the factors involved.
Everybody thinks they know more than the people in charge of running this team. I nearly got sick reading many of the ‘hater’ posts (hating Danny, hating the Celtics franchise in general, hating anyone involved in the decision) in the “Powe-tition” thread. And I liked Leon as much as any one of us.
Let them do what they know best. That’s what they’ve been hired to do……….and at this point, they’ve done a damn good job. Better than anyone had done for the past twenty years!
We were patient with Danny last year
Still not convinced that Danny is one of the top GMs when it comes to free agents nor that the ownership will spend the required money. So far Robert Swift is on the summer league roster and Marbury and Powe are likely gone (although maybe Powe comes back). And, while I am not panicking (yet), most of the other elite teams have already made solid moves. I am getting more worried that this offseason could be worse than last (if that is possible).
Marbury
We better be able to get Marbury back because I MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have him than Tyrone Lue… Tyrone Lue is TERRIBLE!
Marbury is terrible, too
His PER last year was 4.4. In the playoffs, when he hit huge shot after huge shot, his PER shot to an astronomical 4.6. Lue’s not the bee’s knees either — PER of 9.4 last year — but played significantly better in the statistically measured ways than Marbury did.
Hey Brick:
Did we really have a backup PG when Marbury was on our roster?
by Finkelskyhook on Jul 3, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
we let them do their job last season and
look how that turned out…resign tony allen..big signing of POB…at this point my faith in ainge is pretty low.
How soon we forget.
Neither POB or Posey would have made a scrap of difference with KG on the shelf for half the season.
Looking at it now in light of the KG injury, Posey’s decision to leave Boston doesn’t look nearly as bad and in fact, may be no big deal by the time this year’s free agency is all said and done And remember, it was his decision to leave Boston.
As for Tony Allen, don’t you think Doc had some input on this. Or is everything Danny’s fault if it should go wrong?
by DrD on Jul 3, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
when POB is your only big signing and then is traded
the offseason was a bust. posey would have made a difference. it is ainge’s responsiblity to be prepapred for everything. boston wasnt big enough from the start of the season. and now that they went through that they must change it this year…so far baby might walk, powe was cut and they might lose their only big target in sheed. then what? robert swift? scal backing up KG? i am not prepared for danny to sit back and pick up a scrap to plug in because he was too cheap or too stubborn. you think robert swift and mikki moore are going to help this team get out of the east?
by celticinorlando on Jul 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Send your resume..............
…….to WYC. You never know, maybe he feels exactly like you do and he’s looking?
i) Once again, Posey was not the determining factor in whether the C’s won #18 or not. It was KG’s injury period. Not to be rude, but that’s the bottom line.
If you would like to say that the prospective chances for winning #18 would have been better at the beginning of the season if we had Posey, so be it. Let’s no lose sight of the fact that this team was on a record pace for the first 30 games or so without Posey.
ii) As I recall, McDyess turned us down for Detroit.
Actually, I’ll end this here without addressing any additional facts. It’s really not necessary.
Let’s just agree that we all want #18 whether it’s with or without James Posey et al.
It's not about Posey
First, off, I generally like the job Danny has done. But I do think he dropped the ball last offseason. He signed 2 stiffs in POB and Tony Allen who did not contribute at all to the record pace of the first 30 games, and who could not even contribute meaningfully when half the team went down with injuries.
Letting Posey go was the right decision — I think we’ll all be glad that the team isn’t on the hook for $7M to Posey in 2 seasons.
But last summer’s free agent scene was bigger than James Posey, Patrick O’Bryant, and Tony Allen. How about Matt Barnes, Chris Andersen, Mickael Pietrus? Those guys could have gotten some burn in the first 30 games, and could have helped a great deal when Garnett and Powe went down.
I would have liked Chris Andersen better...
than POB, but overall, I think Danny has done fine.
I have mixed feelings on this. on the one hand he didn’t give us much last year whileon the other pruitt and eddie aren’t pgs. It also seems like danny and wyc constantly cheap out and lose players they say they want. wyc talks about being willing to spend the money but when it comes time to do so he cheaps out
good point....i am tired of all the talk..go get what you need or
just tell us we are shooting for the division title…they are cheap and it cost them last year
by celticinorlando on Jul 3, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Please!
The only thing Marbury did well last season was provide a really good attitude. If any other Celtic played as bad as he did for three months everyone would have run him out of town. None of the younger players played that poorly for that length of time.
This isn’t a surprise. The only thing that concerns me is that we have all this money tied up in Paul, Ray, and KG that we really don’t have much wiggle room regarding other players. Resigning Marbury was never a priority for this team if Eddie came back. The two of them on the floor together created problems for us.
And did Marbury’s recent comments about New York suggest he was returning to old form?
Obviously Marbury was an innocent bystander in NY.
I’m sure D’Antoni benched his most talented player because D’Antoni is a jerk….He seems to have a history of that.
Marbury did a great imitation of Iverson with the temporary first impression thing…..Let him grow on someone else.
by Finkelskyhook on Jul 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny, you better have something up your sleeve...
because despite the interest, it’s not a given that Sheed will come to Boston. You let Powe go, by the looks of it Baby isn’t coming back, and now you’re letting Marbury leave the team he probably wanted to play for the most in his career. So, we’re left in need of a backup PG, a backup SF, and a solid C. And all we have so far is a paler version of POB.
Danny, you better have a few surprises for us.
With Wyc’s comments some weeks ago about getting in the 2010 free agent race, I wonder if the front office is trying to open some salary space.
how can this disappoint you?
You’d rather use MLE money on a guy whose PER was 4.4 last season? Great off-court attitude and all, but he killed the Celtics with his on-court play.
Why, WHy , WHy...
would you sign Leon Powe? He just had his 3rd serious knee injury and won’t be back to his past skill level for another year. Don’t get me wrong, I am not talking about his high moral character or his past performance, I’m talking about his current ability to play basketball at the nba level.
REALITY CHECK
and the massive amount of money tied up in three players, it almost seems like Ainge MUST make a trade. The celts basically have enough for one MLE (which as someone mentioned at least appears to be 2000 percent invested in landing Wallace…i never even hear mention of what happens if he doesn’t sign) and then some additional replacement money (powe, marbury, etc) to fill out the roster. So as far as dramatic changes, WITHOUT a trade, Wallace is it (or whoever that player ultimately becomes). I think it is very obvious based on the offers already made (2 years to Rsheed, 1 year to marbury, nothing to powe etc), WYC is NOT going deep into the tax…so, and i am no genius, but if there wants to be so wholesale changes a trade must be imminent. There is no one as good as Rondo really avail unless you totally dismiss the future and go with a Kidd (which is probably already too late) so you have to figure it is Allen. And in this economy, i am not sure how many people are interested in the 19 million, even for a year, without some cash and player concession.
long and short of it…Ainge, Wyc and Rivers are in a tricky spot. what will probably hapen…is everyone stays and you add one player like Rasheed.
I think...
We end up increasing our offer to the LLE, and he ends up signing with us. He said he really wants to contend for a title, I think he’s posturing for more money now but ends up in green.
All this Talk
about Lue not being able to beat out Johnson if Lue had to beat out Starbury for the backup spot he would. I can’t believe all the respect for a guy that we needed to step up time and time again and time and time again he failed. The Celtics Brass gave him a contract deserving of his play. And he got 1.3 million for two months of crappy play. I believe he’s a decent backup but there are plenty of decent backup PG. Besides the jury is still out on this guy being a cancer and the fact he can go somewhere else is good that we don’t have to find out for one more year.
Come on...
He’s an all star calibur player who performed poorly last year because he hadn’t played basketball in months before playing for us. Mark my words, when he joins a team and has a full training camp and offseason under his belt he will be very good. You have to look at the body of his work not just last year when he was rusty.
If Wallace doesn't work out
there still is Mcdyess for a year or if he lasts Bass who is young also. Grant Hill would also be a nice stop gap guy for a year.
I, for one, don't blame Marbury.
If he can get more elsewhere, than all the more power too him. I’m glad we could have him on last year, and he seems to be taking it with a good bit of class.
Tyronn Lue is better anyway
Marbury is washed up, a headache in the lockerroom, and not a good fit in the team system anyway. He’s probably the most overrated player of the last decade considering people talk about him like he’s a former superstar when the reality is he’s a two time all-star and 5 years removed from his last selection.
As a Knick fan it kills me that we passed up Rondo “because we didn’t need a PG” and instead drafted Renaldo Balkman… who we later traded for a second round pick. Balkman wasn’t even projected for the 1st round and the Knicks had the 29th pick if they wanted him so bad…. (Isiah = the most overrated drafter of all-time).
Two years later Marbury can’t even carry Rondo’s bags.


































