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Dominos Falling And Other Thoughts

GM KG will see you now.

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GM KG will see you now.

I know there is a lot of hand wringing going on right now because so many contending teams have made moves to improve themselves and the Celtics have not.  To be honest, I'm a little nervous myself.  Still, I'm not going to worry too much here on the 3rd day of free agency.  A lot can happen this summer and it isn't really fair to judge the offseason till the dust has settled a bit.

With that said, I'm not above a few knee jerk reactions, so here's some quick thoughts on the events thus far.

  • The Celtics have established a plan A and they still have a very good chance at getting that done.  I'm not crazy about Sheed but I admit he's potentially a good fit.  At this point I want things to work out if only because the team has put all their eggs in this basket.  Losing him now would be embarrassing to say the least.
  • Plan B appears to be to split the MLE between a few players like Grant Hill and McDyess.  But the longer we wait on Sheed, the less likely we are to get the players we'd value the highest.  That's troubling.
  • Meanwhile, even though the Cavs have added Shaq to the mix, so far they've struck out in free agency.  They wanted Artest, no dice.  They wanted Ariza, nope.  That kind of makes me feel better, but it also makes me wonder if they'll make a late push for Sheed now.
  • I won't shed a tear for Steph.  What exactly was he expecting from us?  A long term contract?
  • I may just shed a tear for Powe though.  Sounds like he was willing to come back for a 1 year deal.  I'm not happy about this at all.
  • When did Kevin Garnett become assistant GM?  First his pal Cassell showed up.  Then he gave his OK to proceed with Marbury.  Now he's recruiting buddy Sheed and the C's are said to be interested in his best pal Ty Lue.  Too bad he doesn't have any ties to Shawn Marion.  Are there any other members of his posse that we should invite to the summer league?
  • Frankly I don't buy the fact that a lot of teams want Baby.  I'm sure his agent fed that info to Tanguay and I'm sure a lot of teams have "interest" in Baby, but I don't think any of them will break the bank for him.  Two of the most talked about teams are the Pistons and Griz and both already spent the large part of their money.
  • We still have a great starting five, provided they are healthy.  We still need to seriously upgrade the bench.  So far, not much has changed.
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The elite teams have passed us by.
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We've got a plan, no worries.
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Ner, vous.

The bold line above this one sums my feelings up quite nicely.

Nervous. The tapping the foot, tapping the desk with your fingers, shifty-eyes, mind racing -kind.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plan A/B

Jeff do you think the Celtics could get sign Sheed and Hill… or is the only way they get Hill by splitting the MLE with him and McDyess

by Mike-Dub on Jul 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When did Kevin Garnett become assistant GM?

Exactly my thoughts.

“Best superfriends forever, unite”.
Maybe Mattel is interested in a new “KG and the Masters of the Universe” toyline?

:rolleyes:

by Casperian on Jul 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KG became assistant GM on July 31, 2007

It happens whenever you trade 5 players and 2 draft picks for one franchise player…and agree to pay him more than $100M over 5 years.

by Title 18 on Jul 3, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Boston Celtics are bigger than a single player.

by Casperian on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One Criticism of Danny

And I realize that I’m not privy to all the dialogue amongst the people involved. But last year Danny seemed to have tunnel vision on Posey. By the time that played itself out, the only thing left was TA.

This year he appears to have tunnel vision on Sheed. What if that does not pan out? How long will he wait?

I’m not concerned about the one spot, nor even the three. I am concerned about the depth at the four and five.

by amenhotep04 on Jul 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rumor is he was going hard after Maggette

by Casperian on Jul 3, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back up plan

The backup plan in McDyess.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jul 3, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am VERY concerned about the three, along with others.

Nonetheless, it’s too early to panic. With that said, we can’t wait three weeks or something ridiculous like that on Sheed. He needs to make a decision fairly soon, or we need to move on.

by CoachBo on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess the honeymoon's over LOL!!!

My boy Sir Rants A-Lot getting up in the grill of Assistant GM KG!!!…..I guess the Love Boat sailed out of port without you and KG on deck……made myself laugh at that vision with the Love Boat theme playing in the background.

Actually your article expressed most if not all of my thoughts on this subject quite well. So thanks… I guess
If you do get back on board the KG Love Boat keep an eye out for Powe – he’s floating out there on a raft…….Stephanie Starbury swimming hard trying to catch him.
 

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jul 3, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Master Po strikes again

Great, now I have the love boat theme song in my ear whenever I think about the off-season. This will take me weeks to forget it. :-/

by Casperian on Jul 3, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play keep-away?

The one thing NO ONE talks about is the value of signing a free agent to keep him away from a playoff competitior. I know it is not the main reason to sing someone, but it does have that benefit. If we lose Shed and he signs with Cleveland, it will be a double whammy. For that reason alone, I would given him that 3rd year. Cleveland is pulling out all the financial stops and other top teams appear to be doing the same.

Ainge doesn’t seem to care about this. He facilitated Sheed going to Detroit from Atlanta and they won a championship.

by Surferdad on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Admittedly, it will be frustrating if we lose a key piece – again – over a single year on a relatively small contract.

by CoachBo on Jul 3, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A small contract? I guess you’re not saying your money’s on the table, right?

by no kidding on Jul 3, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you catch the word “relatively?”

$5 million is NBA chump change. We lost one key player over NBA pocket change last year; we should not allow that to happen again.

by CoachBo on Jul 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I caught the word “relatively,” which I take it, allows you to call anything “chump change.”

But about this “we” business… It seems to me you might want to consider dropping the “we” stuff when you’re calling on the Celtics’ owners to put up their “chump change” to get the guy you want. Because that’s not exactly the same thing as you putting up your money. And that was the general point I was trying to make.

by no kidding on Jul 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leon Powe, Rasheed and other FA

Let’s just face one fact. The reason Leon was told to find another team was that we are saddled with two contracts already of players who have not don much of anything in the last two years. Why Danny signed Tony Allen last year is beyond me. Now we are stuck with him through this year as no one wants him. And, after hearing that Leon won’t be ready for the first game of the season, is Allen going to be ready? What a waste. I would rather have Scal and Allen gone and wait for Leon than this lineup. I can understand why they won’t commit to another contract with the player unable to play. I love leon, believe me, I just think it is lousy that these two other players are here and Leon is with a job in Boston. Who is to say what Baby is going to do? Interesting…..

by rosalie on Jul 3, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am a bit nervous, too.

Since they seem to have the bulk of focus on Wallace, does anyone think that he was the player that Wyc said ,“We have someone in mind.” ?

I think Rasheed is a very good player to have coming off of the bench, but I, too, am getting a bit apprehensive that they may lose out on other players at the other positions that need to be filled, due to the fact they are courting him vigorously.

I was hopeful for Marbury’s return, but looks as if that has fallen through the cracks.

It’s still early in the FA process, as long as DA can make an improvement, then great…I am just hopeful he is going to be, once again, bargain basement hunting and come up short on guys who could be hit or miss. This team needs proven talent on the bench, guys who you know 7 or 8 out of 10 games what they will give you, not guys who show flashes & then fall off the radar for 9 games. Rasheed is a step in the right direction, now if they can find a halfway decent 3 & just someone to give Rondo a couple minutes of rest each night…these back ups don’t have to be all-stars, just guys who can hold their own, give you a small, decent contribution each night.

Sheed needs to sign the contract so they can move on to the next target ASAP.

To be the man, you've gotta beat the man! WOOOOOOOO!

by PaulPierce34G on Jul 3, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As we approach the two week mark in free agency … that’s the point where you worry about your team not making moves.

Not three days in. Everything is good three days in.

The Celtics have their plan, are executing their plan, and have a good chance of getting the guy they want. Everything is good.

by Who on Jul 3, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not hopeful he is going to be bargain basement shopping, check that….brain lapse….i am fearful I meant to say

To be the man, you've gotta beat the man! WOOOOOOOO!

by PaulPierce34G on Jul 3, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard anything about Marion

Not about us pursuing him or anyone else for that matter. If we don’t sign Sheed do you think we turn our attention towards him? I still think a sign and trade for our expiring contracts and a first would be enough near the end of free agency when Toronto has all its cap space freed.

by Evantime34 on Jul 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No need to panic.......

Yet, that is. FA’s can’t even sign right now, just make verbal commitments. However, if we don’t sign Sheed July 8th, we should look elsewhere. I believe Pachulia still hasn’t committed to anyone.

by 420celticsFAN on Jul 3, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am afraid boston signs more of what they have

that really don’t do much to improve the bench except take up roster spots. face it the bench as it is or with junk pile late signings just won’t cut it this year

by celticinorlando on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't worry jeff

Your title says it all. Dominoes. No one is going to sign until Rasheed signs first. Unless said player gets the midlevel exception. Rasheed is the biggest name out there right now and he will set the bar. C’s won’t lose out.

by gustusias on Jul 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm quite impressed...

…with the pursual of Rasheed Wallace.

He would make a big difference in green. His three-point shooting is a Posey (and Scal) replacement and his height is a P.J. Brown (and Mikki Moore) replacement.

Great stuff!

by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jul 3, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a very risky strategy Ainge is pursuing

Having all your eggs in the Rasheed basket, given that he still will be meeting with other legit contenders, two of which are in great weather cities and will offer him a starting position is risky not only because it’s possible they’ll get him, but also because it’ll take time for him to visit those other cities.

I’ve seen it said that if he doesn’t sign here it’ll be an embarrassment. I don’t really care about the embarrassment factor, it’s that we’ll have waited at least another week or so while he visits the other teams, and meanwhile, other good players out there will be coming to verbal agreements with other teams. The talent pool will thin significantly by the time Sheed decides where he’s going, and if he doesn’t come here, we’ll be getting leftovers.

If he comes, then it’s all good, but the truth is, it’s rather like staying in a poker hand hoping to pull a card for an inside straight. Maybe slightly better odds than that, but given that Orlando and San Antonio are also in the running (and possibly Cleveland too), I put the odds at less than 50%, especially since Danny only offered him a 2 year deal.

All that said, we could still come out smelling like roses. Just seriously wish the odds were better. People can laugh at what Dumars did all day long if they want to, but getting two guys you targeted on day 1 is nothing to sniff at.

We shall see…

by Mencius on Jul 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The eggs are spread out in multiple baskets

McDyess will get an offer if Wallace goes elsewhere. Frankly, McDyess might be the better fit right now, and possibly cheaper.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jul 3, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they're in one basket now.... until Sheed makes a decision.

Meanwhile, other free agents are going elsewhere. It’s a strategy, and if he signs here, then great. If not, then in the weeks time it takes Sheed to decide, guys are going off the table.

I’m not being overly critical of the strategy, because it could work, but there’s no denying that other guys will be off the market by the time Sheed decides. Just some hand wringing on my part, justified in my view, as Orlando and San Antonio are probably just as attractive as Boston, because with Sheed, they’re just as good a bet to contend for a title, and they have better weather, and no state income tax.

by Mencius on Jul 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dominos

Jeff had it right. When the Rasheed domino falls, then McDyess is up to bat. Doesn’t mean their in the same basket—they’re just connected because they’re coveted by the same teams….

Plan C, if we don’t get Wallace or McDyess, will be free agent X who’s still on the market because he hasn’t received the kind of offers he expected to….2009’s version of James Posey in 2007.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jul 3, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We dont know anything

I think its a bit premature to say that DA hasnt been talking to anyone. I suspect he is working on other players, but this is the one that is getting the attention. If he was the type of GM that was putting all his eggs in one basket, he would have waited for Jo Johsnon9no need to remind me how taht panned out). If in fact he is waiting, then he is not the GM we thought him to be. But I dont think that’s the case.

by angryguy77 on Jul 3, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Matrix or is it just Shawn Marion now

Talk of Marion has been extremely quiet, he’s got to be realizing that his value is way way down from where it was when he was in Phoenix, and he probably won’t get a deal much different than the MLE. He would be a good fit coming off our bench, I know he wanted to leave Phoenix because he wanted a bigger role elsewhere but that hasn’t worked out to well for him, maybe our situation would interest him.

by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Jul 3, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Raps offered him 4 years, 32-34 mil

"The Raptors have offered free-agent forward Shawn Marion a four-year deal worth more than $32 million, according to the Globe and Mail.

The deal could be worth as much as $34 million, according to the report, and is longer and more lucrative than the three-year, $21 million offer Toronto was reported to have made to Marion."

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60315/20090703/raptors_offer_marion_four_year_deal/

I’m glad to have the option to match whatever Baby gets offered. It’s a good fallback plan. If Sheed goes elsewhere, I’d be happy with Baby and Zaza, as the backup bigs. We really need a good backup 3 still. Our non-Ray expirings have gone up with the retention of House, so that’s always a possibility too.

by Mencius on Jul 3, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny just let 'em see the flop!

Two years ain’t gonna get it! Everyones got the MLE to give, so it’s all about the years! If it was just about Boston, or future teammates, RA would’ve already said yes!
In terms of Hold ‘Em, Danny came in light with 2 yrs instead of 3—and now Sheed and all the other teams get to see the flop, so to speak—-cause someone is sure gonna go 3 years. If he’d gone 3 to start, I don’t see anybody going 4! Not for a 35 yr old.
Don’t think we’ll be feelin all that good if we get bumped from playoffs next year, but are able to say “yeah, but we stuck to our principles!”
Just don’t get trying to lowball him with 2 years! There’s still some other decent options out there, but I would bet not for long.
Hope we don’t get a repeat of last year, and have the Spin Doctor show up tellin us how TA is the healthiest he’s been in years, and Walker and JR are looking great, and how RSwift is really gonna surprise alot of people this year!
Either we’re going for the championship or not. If we are, then enough of this halfa…. effort to sign FA’s!
In the meantime I’ll keep checking back every few hours hoping against hope, that the C’s finally land that BIG free agent, rather than Scal or POB!

by OhioGreen on Jul 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with Jeff

Not happy about the Powe diss

Danny, say it ain't so? We love Powe!

by johnnyrondo on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

same here

Powe would be willing to sign for Scal-like money for only a year or two, it’s a bargain and we should just do it.

by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jul 4, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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