Powe Update
The Cavaliers are [Leon] Powe's first choice for a new team, according to a source, with the Orlando Magic second. Dallas and the L.A. Lakers have also made inquiries about Powe, who suffered a third serious knee injury in Game 2 of Boston's first-round series against Chicago. . . . But it's not a certainty that Powe will sign with any of those teams.
. . . In addition, a league source says that Powe is looking for a second year at his option, which would allow him to become an unrestricted free agent next summer without the team that signs him having either Larry Bird or early Bird re-signing rights.. . . There is no chance that the Celtics would re-sign Powe, or match any offer, said another source. The team has made it clear that it is moving on . . .
The Cavs, Magic, or Lakers, huh? Sounds like Powe wants to get back at the Celtics. I can't imagine that any team would be stupid enough to sign him to a two year deal, with the second year a player option. That puts all the risk on the team, and none of it on Powe. If his agent pulls that one off, he should win some sort of "agent of the year" award.
I'm not sure what to make of the second source related to the Celtics. They seem not to understand that the Celtics couldn't match any offer to Powe, even if they wanted to, as he is not a restricted free agent. Also, the source implies that Powe would receive a contract worth between $2.5 and $3.0 million per season, which again seems out of the realm of possibility. I'd suggest taking the update for what it's worth.
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The opposite of what I wanted
This is very disheartening news. It would pain me to watch a healthy Powe be productive and create new offensive opportunities through rebounding etc on a Cavs team. I know I’ll catch flak for this, but I’ve been hoping for a S&T involving BBD in part so we get value back, and also so I can watch the Celtics play against BBD. He would be exposed as a subpar rebounder, slow to his spot defender, and whose offense is created b/c other players on his team are double teamed.
Resign Powe Danny, please ! You’ve done a great lowering costs this offseason by being patient, use some of that to take a chance on Powe or another big man.
wow
I’m actually happy i’m not the only person who feels the exact same way.
by Scalablob990 on Jul 31, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Shhhh we are shunned
If we are to say anything about BBD’s lack of true basketball value on the court, we must do so in secrecy. It is often times considered celtic heresy lol
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 31, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh...
If they’re the only one willing to give him a contract, I can’t blame him, I guess. It’s his livelihood.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Nothing excuses becoming a Laker, nothing.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You must be joking.
Celtics won’t pay him to play basketball, but he’s still supposed to show loyalty to the Celtics???
Who said anything about being loyal to the Celtics? Lakers are pure evil.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
Come on down from the treehouse when you want to have a serious conversation.
Lol, a serious convesation about the someone hating the Lakers on a celtics’ blog?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
rat?
Or the fact that he patiently waited to come back with the Celtics, after giving them his all, and the Celtics threw him to the street. The guy needs to pay his bills and help his family. If the Lakers pay him the most, then I’d be happy for Powe. He’d be the only Laker I’ve ever rooted for.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You’d be fine if Pierce goes and plays for the Lakers then?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Celtics unceremoniously kick him to the curb?
Maybe.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Not even then. It’s blood money. I mean, if this was a ridiculous offer they were making, then maybe… he would still be a rat, but a well paid rat at that.
Celtics just fell out of love, he doesn’t need to go out and screw your worst enemy.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I bregrudge Powe absolutely nothing. Dude’s been nothing but class since he came to the League. If LA offers him the most money, I’ll be happy for him and sad for us, hoping that he goes for 30 a game (and that Kobe blows out his ACL).
Not too many people have had as difficult a life as Leon Powe, and let’s remember that he’s been playing for comparatively little money since he came into the League. While he’s banked a lot more in the past three years than any of us have, I can’t begrudge a guy who’s fought as hard over his life to get to this position to try and get paid as best he can. He deserves it.
Leon Powe; no rat.
rat? it's a business.
but on the personal side of things, he went to Perk’s wedding. To me, that says something about his character.
strange
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I sort of understand why Boston didn’t sign him. But it seems like there’s a missing puzzle piece or two. Either Cleveland and Orlando are stupid because they don’t know, like Boston knows, how bad Powe’s knee is OR Boston is stupid for letting him go. I guess only time will tell. It seems like Boston would have the advantage as far as medical information goes. But I don’t know what to make of all this…
My money is on the Celts having the correct information...
If Boston had any doubts, they would have offered Leon some sort of contract…rather than risk a PR disaster and major fan backlash.
Leon`s a great guy, but he`s not Superman. Nobody with his knees can be very effective, and certainly not for any significant amount of time.
In the meantime, Cleveland and Orlando are merely rumors.
We still have not seen either one sign him!
I don't think he's trying to get back at the Cs.
I think he’s just trying to go to a top team. and those teams are interested because they’ve been on the other end of Leon’s tenacious play and probably are staggered that the Cs aren’t interested and have made him available.
the big question is why could the three best teams next to the Cs afford to give a roster spot to Leon, but the Cs don’t have a “square to spare” (any Seinfeld fans?)
exactly. If we sign Daniels, a back up PG and BBD, we will have an awesome bench. Why not sign Powe and give him that 15th spot? Not much downside and we would still have 14 players who can ball. And if Powe gets healthy, then our bench will be that much better. With all the money these teams make and spend on promotion, etc.. you mean to tell me they cannot spend a little bit more on Powe?
The PF depth would be Garnett-Sheed-Davis-Scal-Powe… why would we sign Powe? I mean, I have no problem signing him if we made a trade that opened up roster spaces, but I don’t see what Powe would really add to our team since we would be stacked at the PF position.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
but..
Sheed, KG, and Baby all can also play C. they’re not limited to playing PF.
and the reason you sign Leon is the same reason all these other top teams would sign Leon. the chance he comes back and plays this season.
Only 1 PF and 1 C can be on the floor at the same time. If Garnett is playing center, Powe would still be behind Sheed-Baby-Scal to get on the floor. You can play that game with all 3 of them.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
so you don't think...
…we should sign any more backup bigs?
If we sign Baby, like the dude I was responding to said, we’re way better served by another back-up center than a PF. I’ve said as much for the last month multiple times. Big men depth is important, just not at the PF position at the moment.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
but like i was questioning...
why do you keep calling Sheed, KG, and Baby PFs.
they all can and do play C. Sheed played almost exclusively at C last season and Baby played more C than he did PF even without KG for the final chunk of the season…
I’m not calling them PF. They all play PF and C. So regardless of who is playing C, the other would be ahead of Powe in the PF depth chart. It just so happens that we also have Scal who can play PF, but C is not really where you want him. Also, even though Baby can play some C, he lacks he length to be effective with all matchups… in fact, he’s mismatched quite often.
Also adding depth at the C position, helps keep our players in their natural positions in case of injury.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but...
the fact that they play C and PF means that both positions are equally backed up and Scals would not be ahead of Leon on the depth chart if he returned to his level of play (which is the reason you would be signing him)
as for Baby, he’s not a mismatch if he is playing alongside Sheed or Sheed or even Perk for that matter.
as for natural positions, Perk and Sheed’s natural position is C and Baby actually defends the C better than he defends the PF spot.
as for injury, I don’t see how a guy like Swift or whoever else you are going to land at this point does anything to stabilize the C position.
Ah, the eternal “if he returned to his level of play”. A big IF.
Anyways, you’re not seeing the whole picture. Let’s say Perk gets injured. You start Sheed and KG. Baby comes in for Sheed, you just forced KG to play center (not his natural position) and Baby to play PF (which you think it’s weaker that his C).
Let’s say it’s KG that gets injured. You start Perk and Sheed. For whomever you substitute, Baby will play PF… the position you claim is not his strongest. Though Baby at PF and Sheed at center is a good.
But after that first substitution is done you bring your other big man, which just so happens it’s a PF since it’s all we have. Powe (the big if) or Scal. But you’re still faced with the same problem that we found ourselves last year. Lack of length. And Powe and Baby, as much as we like them, are really not good together… especially against good teams built the right way. Too many mismatches occur.
So sorry. You won’t convince me that the big IF is a better option than adding depth to our centers.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
okay..
first off, who exactly are you talking about as this mystery man backup C?
second in both your main scenarios (KG goes down, Perk goes down) Baby can play the other teams C….which like i said is the position that he defends better…
either way, unless you can tell me who this C guy coming here for the minimum is, we can’t really have this discussion.
and remember, he needs to be better than Baby and Scals in order to get PT under your injury scenarios…
For the 100th time this summer, it doesn’t matter who he is. What’s most important above anything is Danny have the roster spot available to study the options. And regardless, having a center help us improve our bench flexibility and adjust to different styles of plays. Adding Powe would limit us.
Come on man, 1 injury and we’re right were we were last season with people crying about the lack of length in our bench.
But as I see, we’re going again in circles… we’ve discussed this too many times in the forums already, but you keep finding ways to rationalize keeping Powe as the smart move, when it isn’t.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
how exactly...
doesn’t it matter who the guy is?
that makes absolutely no sense.
unless you can tell who you are talking about and unless they play the C position better than Baby, I really don’t see how they solidify anything other than who is sitting at the end of the bench in street clothes….
plus, I’m not rationalizing anything. I’m looking at the situation like ORL, CLE, and LA apparently are… and seeing minimum money being better spent on the chance of Leon coming back this season than giving it to a minimum guy that most likely wouldn’t even play with an injury to KG, Sheed, or Perk…the scenarios you are concerned about.
I think you missed this line “For the 100th time this summer, it doesn’t matter who he is. What’s most important above anything is Danny have the roster spot available to study the options.”
As I said, you fillt he roster spot with Leon, and you limit yourself to which players you can look at to fill holes and roles. So at this moment, it doesn’t matter who it is, the important part is having the option to have the roster available for Danny to explore.
If you want to know who are possibilities, just look at a free-agent list.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i have
..looked at the FA list. that’s part of the reason it makes more sense to sign Leon than anybody who might come here for the minimum…
and it might not matter to you who the player is, but it matters to me and apparently it matters to the teams interested in signing Leon with their last roster spots…
by the way...
your and my positions clearly haven’t changed, but what has changed is the notion that nobody would be willing to sign Leon in his current state and that it would be a waste to sign him now since he would be there if we wanted to sign him down the road if he was able to show he could successfully return from the injury…
his later availability is what has now changed and that is something many were arguing as a reason to let Leon walk the way the Cs did earlier this summer.
Where did you read that someone
is willing to sign him?
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
well this is the second report...
…in how many days about teams having interest in Leon.
are you of the opinion that he will not be signed?
Yes I'll believe it when
I see it.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Other than I’ve never cared about his later availability nor have I claimed that no one woudl be willing to sign him.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
right..
…because you don’t care one way or the other if he is on the team or not.
which is why we disagree.
and when did i say that you thought we would be able to sign him later….?
I do care if he’s in our team or not. Just like I would like to keep TA around, but it isn’t in our best interest to keep him.
Our roster situation dictates that TA and Powe are not needed and would take up needed roster spots.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
again, he will take up..
a roster spot on whichever team signs him as he is not going to be ready to play at the beginning of the season.
the difference is that other teams see the value of signing him now on the chance that he is able to play later in the season.
Since we’ve been working under the assumtion that we would sign Davis and Daniels, sorry but no we don’t have the same amount of roster spots available nor are our roster needs the same as them.
Go study their team depth for a moment and then try again.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Lakers – they don’t have as many players that play PF as us, and they like playing Gasol at center too. They have many wing players and 3 PGs. They already have depth in all positions.
Cleveland – too many inexperienced PFs behind Varejao. Powe would be a mistake for them though. They still have enough roster spots to round out their team.
Orlando – plenty of roster spaces and all well covered in all positions. Their only backup PF is Ryan Anderson.
So, how do their situations relate to ours?
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
they relate to ours because...
…we all have the same number of roster spots, but somehow these other teams are able to carry a player who apparently would severley limit the Cs ability to respond to an injury….
and the player who WOULD allow us to respond to this injury for the minimum apparently anybody’s guess….
also...
if ORL, LA, and CLE actually NEED players at the PF position, then as according to you they shouldn’t be wasting a spot on a guy that’s not going to be able to play at the beginning of the season.
Let’s try this again.
Cleveland – 12 players currently on roster. They sign Powe. They still have 2 roster spots avaiable with bird rights for Wally and in a good position to resign Joe Smith if needed. They can afford to waste a roster spot on Powe.
Orlando – 11 players signed. PF depth Lewis-Bass-Anderson. They sign Powe, and still have 3 roster spots to fill their bench. They can add one more center, one more PF, and one more wing or PG and call it a day. They can afford to waste a roster spot on Powe.
Lakers – 14 players signed. This is the closest team to the situation of the Celtics. I think Powe will be a mistake for them, as I think they should add one more wing player. They also have a lot of length in their bench… not the case with us.
But, until one of them decides to sign them… the interest shown by any of those teams is irrelevant to me.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lakers just cut Sun Yue… that’s an additional roster spot.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud...
the fact that they have roster spots (and like you have already pointed out) means that they have needs.
needs that like you are saying for the Cs won’t be filled by Leon because he won’t be ready at the beginning of the season….
anyway, as I see updated on the homepage, another report about a contract offer for Leon.
such a big mistake to hold a roster spot for some mystery man when it could go to Leon.
you don't really
believe he’s ahead of schedule regarding an injury he got 2 months ago, do you?
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
It doesn’t mean that at all. The Celtics, for example, would have a multitude of wing players taking roster spots, while having barely none for point guards. Our abundance of wings makes our roster distribution uneven.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
We shouldn’t sign him, but he’s a rat if he signs for another championship contender?
I don’t get it.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Just the Lakers. Also, I said if we make a trade that open up roster spots I have no problem signing him. Abscent of that, I don’t think it would be prudent, though it wouldn’t bother me regardless especially if we sign and keep Baby around.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
does..
releasing Pruitt qualify as freeing up a roster spot?
Not really, since his spot would be used to get a PG, not a PF. We have to see how the Daniels sign and trade goes, but the person I was responding to seem to be talking from the assumption that we would sign him. That would give us 13 roster spots with Pruitt still in there. Two roster spots left, one for Baby. That’s 14. Then you have to decide, add a PG with your 15th roster spot or a C. Let’s say you go with the C. Then you release Pruitt… what do you need to sign? Another PG. Let’s say that instead of a C you sign a PG with the last spot, then you release Pruitt…. what do you need to sign? Another C.
In all the above scenarios, the last two spots are better served by a PG and a Center.
What needs to happen is a reduction of roster spots via a sign and trade with Daniels (Tony Allen for example). But then, how is our extra roster spot better served? By adding depth to our wings (Bowen for example) or another PF which we would have a load of?
So in conclusion, a lot has to happen for Powe can even begin to be considered as the prudent player to sign, especially since we have a load of PF, and how he’ll be quite down on the depth chart.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
it’s all pretty vauge unless we are talking about actual players.
i would say the final roster spots would be better served by Leon than for instance Lue or Swift or Bowen….none of these guys would be playing anyway…
with no Pruitt, but with Baby we have 2 rosters spots. and that leaves us right back we have been right along.
backup C or Leon.
you’re gonna have to tell me who the backup C that you want to sign is (minimun salary by the way) that is so stabilizing that it is worth letting Leon walk to one of your chief rivals.
Not sure if none would be playing, but they would add depth to positions that lack it. PF is not a position that we would lack depth under that scenario, which is what under the circumstances Powe’s use would be, if anything.
Any injury that occurs between KG, Perk, and Sheed would leave us with no back-up center. And no Baby is no back-up center. He simply can moonlight as one in certain occasions.
An injury to Rondo or House would leave us with no back-up PG. An injury to Pierce or Daniels would leave us with no experienced back-up wing.
Signing Powe doesn’t help in neither of the cases above. Sorry, but he’s not the prudent choice if we want to have a complete roster.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
but...
it’s not backup PG or Leon. it’s backup C or Leon. that’s the choice we have right now based on Daniels signing for the LLE.
as for Baby, I believe he is a backup C in the situations you have described. playing next to Sheed, KG, or Perk, there is no overwhelming height disadvantage.
plus, more importantly, Baby is way better and going to play ahead of people like Swift anyway – regardless of whether or not he is an ideal backup C….
Blurgh.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
i dont think powe has anything left
and the celtics know it..4 major knee injuries?
by celticinorlando on Jul 31, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions
know it...?
based on what exactly……
you don’t think any team that signs Leon is going to look at the same medical records that the Cs have access to?
also, what exactly is the risk? I mean the guy was looking for small money to re-sign here.
well boston did do the surgery...
it must have been pretty bad to let him walk for not even small money. he wouldnt even be able to play until Feb. if he can go at all
by celticinorlando on Jul 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
or they are..
just making a mistake or miscalculation. maybe like a lot of posters, they thought no other team would sign him before he was back able to play and would have another shot at him down the road.
any way you slice it, the move doesn’t make sense to me. if for no other reason that it would have taken so little money to sign him.
and they can’t conceal medical information. they would get killed if they did that…
No, winsomme,
The Celtics never make mistakes about medical matters. Haven’t you learned this lesson? Danny Ainge is a world renowned orthopedic surgeon. (Pay no attention to the Raef, Wally, and Theo experiments….)
People
Think we’re talking about a normal athlete here. Powe played on a destroyed knee for 3 minutes to try and help his team win. His career isn’t over by a long shot, and I can see him on the court before february. I just hope it’s with the C’s.
by Scalablob990 on Jul 31, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
destroyed knee
Maybe that’s the problem – he played on the knee for several minutes after destroying it. Perhaps he made things worse by playing on it. Either way, you’ve got to love and respect his toughness for wanting and trying to play even after he got hurt.
Pretty much
Not sure why anyone cares although this story sounds like 100% agent BS.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Interesting
People were upset with the Celtics for not being loyal to Leon. But Leon signing with a rival is just ‘business’.
Anyway, I hope Leon gets his contract, and more importantly that his knee fully recovers. As long as he’s playing in the NBA somewhere.
what's wrong...
with saying that?
once you cut the guy, the loyalty ends, no?
the party who severed the loyalty card is the Cs…
It’s just fascinating that people are making these distinctions. Can’t the Celtics make ‘business’ decisions too? Shouldn’t they be proactive instead of reactive? The loyalty, if there is any is to the franchise, not the player. They’re trying to make the Cs the best team possible. They make mistakes, but their loyalty is to the franchise. The player’s loyalty is to himself and his family. To make a living and to provide for them. If the player wants to win championships, they sometimes have the ability to go to a team with that opportunity. Others prefer to make more money and go somewhere else. Inevitably there’s very little loyalty on behalf of either side. It’s a fiction.
You're not following
The Celtics got a fantastic deal on Leon Powe for 3 seasons. He far outperformed his contract. The Celtics got the equivalent of a $4M/year player at least, but Leon was paid only $650K or whatever. Leon would have received a contract commensurate with his play (i.e., at least several million per year) if he hadn’t torn up his knee. The Celtics thew money around to Patrick O’Bryant and Tony Allen last offseason like it was Christmas in July. Leon Powe has played much better than much POB or TA, and yet as soon as he injured himself the Celtics kicked him to the curb.
So, no loyalty. You’re right that the Celtics are treating it as a business. Given that, how can anyone expect Leon to treat it as anything else? How can anyone expect Leon to continue showing loyalty to the team that dropped him?
Just like all players under a rookie contract. That’s one of the points of having youth in your team, since they’re usually a bargain and help keep down cost so that you can spend on more experienced players and your stars.
The difference between O’bryant, TA, and Powe is that we didn’t have any center depth last year and no experienced wings. We have depth at PF this year. Money is the least important matter.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's sort of interesting..
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Maybe the other top teams
like the Cavs, Magic, and especially Lakers remember Game 2 of the 2008 Finals. They saw a bench guy put up 21 points in 15 minutes on only 7 shots. How many guys are out there who can be signed to a chump change contract who could duplicate that feat in the Finals?
Seriously, why not take a chance on a guy with the potential to score a point every two minutes and snag a rebound every three minutes he’s on the court? Powe’s numbers were close to that last year, and are certainly trending toward that as he get more experience in the league.
The main reason for Powe to sign with one of these teams, as opposed to an also ran, would be for him to build up contract value for next year. If he can come back and play well in the playoffs, he should get the Brandon Bass sized deal he would have gotten this summer if he didn’t get hurt. If he doesn’t play great, but shows signs of coming around, he should get a 2/$6m or 3/$10m deal somewhere.
If Powe signed with a Milwaukee, the 25 games he could play in at the end of the season would all be garbage time games. He needs a contender, and the contenders know what the guy can do. I don’t begrudge Powe for signing with one of the Cs main rivals.
Well here goes another one!!!!
The New Orleans Hornets, after swapping Tyson Chandler for Emeka Okafor, added further to their frontcourt by signing free-agent forward Ike Diogu on Wednesday.
Powe isn't signing anything soon
Powe will be talked about for a while, because I highly doubt any team is going to sign before they know he is 100% able to play. In my opinion, the only reason the author is speculating about the Cavs, Magic and Lakers is because they have been the most active teams talking to free agents and have shown a willingness to spend money. I’m sure that they have all made the requisite inquiries, however I don’t see any of these teams making that move. I’d put money on it.
by funkstarrdeluxe on Jul 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
a mans
gotta do what a mans gotta do
good luck to Powe.
celtics will be fine with out him.
having said that i want him back!
Good for Leon
I hope he can sign somewhere so he can take care of his family. I don’t think this is personal at all; when DA decided to let him go, everyone was all “it’s business” the same applies here. I’m glad good teams are interested in him and he’ll go somewhere where he can make a difference.
If he happens to be the one who’s killing us next postseason (anyone remember his 21 pts in 15 mins against the lakers in the finals?) then so be it. I’ll cheer him on, the guy’s a class act and he deserves the respect of all Celtics fans – he played EVERYTIME he stepped on the court. He played 3 mins on a blown knee for cryin out loud, that’s heart. Good luck Leon!
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I agree somewhat
I hope he recovers and does well just not against the C’s. I’ll have to draw my line there.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

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