Tanguay Rumor: Grant Hill In; Big Baby Out
It is also my belief that Grant Hill will sign with Boston after meeting face-to-face with Doc Rivers by the end of the week. Glen Davis could be gone to San Antonio, as they are prepared to offer their mid-level slot, which it is my understanding that Boston will not match. Davis is a restricted free-agent and any offer he receives can be matched by the Celtics within 7 days.
I mocked Tanguay's gut in the past, but I guess he's reliable until proven otherwise.
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Cognitive Dissonance
Okay, well, if BBD is indeed gone, I’ve got to feel good about it. So here goes:
He’s short. He struggles getting his shot off near the basket. He doesn’t rebound. All the pounding on his joints from the weight has got to take its toll on him. He can’t guard fours away from the basket.
There’s no crying in basketball, except when winning championships.
Anything else?
by amenhotep04 on Jul 5, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate losing Baby, but....
Baby was way too short to do “real” damage in the paint….he was giving away too many inches in height to the enemy.
by Title 18 on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I love Baby . . .
But I mean, the guy’s at least 6’7 and he can’t even dunk when he’s right underneath the basket. If he is gone, at least we won’t have to cringe at all those missed layups anymore.
by rrc589 on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Big Baby could’ve had more of an impact on this team than Grant Hill
by Justin_Bobo on Jul 6, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, do you have to say these nagative things abouta baby?
probably the same person who needed a box of tissues after not re-signing powe
baby>powe
by orr on Jul 6, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to look up what cognitive dissonance is all about. Then my original post would make sense to you, and you’d realize your reply doesn’t fit.
by amenhotep04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanguay
Tanguay was wrong about Dallas being the fith team interested about Baby so maybe he can be wrong about baby pretty much going to the Spurs.
by Mike-Dub on Jul 5, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the problem is he can guard Shaq, and Howard. how do we replace him?
in a sense its how we screwed up last year. Ok to let posey go but you have to replace him. Keep in mind we cough up Leon too. not happy if this is true.
by wahz on Jul 5, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he can guard shaq?
really? do you honestly think shaq can’t get low position on baby whenever he wants and pull a parish move for a dunk 4 out of 5 times?
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Jul 6, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you seen their recent match ups? I thought he did pretty well against Shaq. And I doubt Shaq was taking it easy on Shaq’s Illegitimate Love-Child (Shaq’s words before they were miine). Baby has the lower center of gravity and probably only weighs a little less than Shaq so he can push him out.
Doesn’t matter though really about Shaq. I just read the Tanguay quote above and see it says the Spurs are offering the full MLE. No way C’s match that even on short years. A little hard to believe, but I guess if it’s only two years and they project Baby as a starter then it’s worth it for them. I think Perk and Sheed can man the center spot well enough, but we’re down one big. McDyess on a minimum would be great. Maybe KG can take a break and have Sheed take over his job as pitch man.
by Berkcelt on Jul 6, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
baby is quite undersized on that front and maintain that as much as i love him he has matchup problems due to his size.
though the full mle seems overpaying by about 2 million dollars.
by ChainSmokingLikeDino on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually everytime he played shaq he defended him extremly well, as good or better then anyone on our team..sooo
yeah and shaq is 37 now, you know that?
by orr on Jul 6, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant Hill?
What year is this? I am in some kind of a time warp?
by Stanley Cup of Chowder on Jul 5, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will be VERY sad
If we lose both Baby and Leon :/
by Marqui on Jul 5, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C’s seem to be ripping up what they had for a championship.
by ninjabastard on Jul 6, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No choice
The other elite teams (CLE, ORL, SA, LAL) all got better.
by Surferdad on Jul 6, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland hasn’t gotten better. Orlando hasn’t gotten better. LA hasn’t gotten better. SA has though. Until the other 3 make more moves, sign more free-agents, just about all they’ve done are lateral moves. In the case of Orlando, they might be worse.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 6, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs really pay him?
The Spurs really would not pay Big Baby the full 5.9 mil.They are a team that makes sound moves,and with there money. He was great in the playoffs. He’s worth 2-3 mil a year. Like Eddie House. He is kinda under sized for a power forward. I think a Memphis would be better off. Grant Hill is what we need. Him and Jason Kidd rookie of the years together in the same year. Jason Kidd can still be in the top ten point guards,and Grant Hill can play like his old self within only playing 20-30 minutes per game. If we keep Baby which would be nice. We still need one more big man with him and Wallace. Mikki Moore is not coming back. If he does. He might be better with a camp,and if he plays for cheap.
by green20 on Jul 6, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Letting Davis go for nothing
is a huge mistake. Match the offer and try to get something back replace him. Letting go talent with nothing coming back is a sure way to ruin your team. Greed, when it comes to talent, is good. I can understand not wanting to overpay him, but you gotta get someone back or at least be willing to sign a replacement.
by correcttitle on Jul 6, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah we are poised to have lost Posey, Baby, and Powe from our championship and have gotten nothing in return
Its not my money but I would at least try to lock up Leon for one or two years if we do lose Baby. That one step in the right direction from here. Howver, Baby’s defensive help on Howard, Duncan and Shaq isn’t replaced by Leon or Rasheed.
by wahz on Jul 6, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think not matching an MLE amount for BBD
would be a big mistake…
by Big Ticket on Jul 6, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How so? Why do you think it would be a big mistake not matching an MLE offer?
With Perk, KG and Wallace on board … Davis would only be playing 10-15 minutes a game. Is that worth the MLE? Are those 10-15 minutes that much better than a minimum contract player? Say a Joe Smith?
by Who on Jul 6, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, its a mistake
big baby is going to be a better player next year – twice as good, he knows the team, he knows his role, hes young blood….yes its a mistake
joe smith? yawn
by orr on Jul 6, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an added consideration, I’d be uncomfortable paying Davis $5.5 million when I’m paying Perkins $4.3 million. (Though admittedly, I was prepared to do that for Gortat.)
by no kidding on Jul 6, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signed - Hill is still big enough fo a Backup!
I would love to have big Baby back, but with Sheed and Swift we do not need him really. I think Swift will be better than anyone expect, believe me guys ;-) Watch the summer-league! At the other side Hills age is overvalued – Look at his last seasons – He maybe is 37 in October but he had 3 Seasons consecutively with only 47 Games, because of injuries – he never ever came huge because of his injuries… maybe now in his last 2 years ;-) – I cross the thumbs down for him – for getting to the Celtics and wining a ring with them!
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
by greenmech on Jul 6, 2009 5:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If no Baby, room for Leon!
He’ll be ready for the stretch run, which is when we’ll need him. It will be interesting to see what Swift and Sweetney do in Summah League too. The front court is going to be nasty!!
Sheed pays Danny back for getting him to DET. Justice served.
by Fred Roberts on Jul 6, 2009 6:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bbd is a no no at 5+ mill. san antone is a quality org. and it would be very good for him to be a part of it. by the way, where has san antone been lately winning titles with its geezer squad? and why is tanguay of all people getting scoops? is he a closet mormon ?
by nazzbo on Jul 6, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Passing on Baby at the MLE is a no-brainer. His game isn’t worth that kind of money. If he can get it, more power to him. But not here.
by CoachBo on Jul 6, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Passing on Baby for the MLE is certainly not a no-brainer. The imporant part here is amount of years. 1 year full MLE is a no-brainer to match. 2 years probably too.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 6, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toitally, totally, totally disagree. I have no interest whatsoever in paying that kind of money for a guy with a weight problem who cannot finish at the rim, rebound or defend consistently. $3 to $4, maybe. Beyond that, our money can be better spent elsewhere.
by CoachBo on Jul 6, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it can’t, since we only have min. contracts and LLE to offer. Bench depth and the value of the contract as a trade asset adds a ton of value.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 6, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach, I probably agree with you about Davis, but Budweiser’s right about the options. Can you live with Robert Swift as a backup center?
by no kidding on Jul 6, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you paying him bo? no, but you make yourself seem important enough to pay him..
where could that money be better spent?
by orr on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBD has only been in the league 2 years. he has yet to hit his "prime’ he can score well enough. there are a ton of other players that are grossly overpaid. is BBD worth it? no. but if you let him go you risk not have a quality back up. and BBD is if nothing else a quality back up. i am sure he will work the hell out of his lay up this year. he has shown he can step in the game and score in place of garnett. yea he needs to work on his rebounding skills. give him a break he was a second round pick who has stepped into some big shoes in replacing garnett. do you think that the celts would have gone as deep into the playoffs without BBD? big guys that can “defend” shaq are hard to come by. BBD will be a lot better then he was last yeer
by NEFOOL on Jul 6, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this is what I'm worried about the most.
But like BBD ’ fans ’ he does have a weight problem.. ha
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Jul 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m good with matching a one year offer, as long as the C’s owners are fine paying that type of luxury tax.
Not sure I go beyond that one year though. It has to start taking other options off the table at some point.
by Who on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
I’d go as long three years on Baby – if the ownership is willing to throw another 11 on the bonfire, why not? But if that 11 is going to prevent us from making a steal move at the deadline, then I have problems with it. Like say Barbosa became available at the deadline in a salary dump – would you be okay that the owners couldn’t take on his salary because Baby was here? (Or sub in whoever else you think could help.)
by Brendan on Jul 6, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Full MLE for Davis is crazy! I doubt that is true. I mean, we are talking about the spurs here not Memphis…
by thebirdman on Jul 6, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's possible
the spurs just missed out on Sheed, and their window is closing faster than ours. They just got RJefferson, so they may feel it’s ok to overpay for a PF, and BBD is as good or better than anyone left out on the market right now
by hpantazo on Jul 6, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Believe It.
I don’t believe for a second that SA offered BBD the full MLE for 5 years. That’s the kind of thing stupid teams do, and Popovich isn’t stupid.
If SA wants a caddy for Duncan they can get Oberto back or go after Joe Smith. And if they want to spend the full MLE, the player they would be targeting is Millsap.
by Brickowski on Jul 6, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way i see the spurs paying him the full MLE
they have blair already
by celticinorlando on Jul 6, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BBD
Spurs blog says BBD is Plan B. They (the blog) really, really thought they could get Sheed, and are still in shock. I think they might pay the full MLE…the window is closing fast, as it did to the Celts last year.
By-the-way, the Spurs blog and the Lakers blog each has some excellent posters. I had never gone “trolling” (is it still trolling if you don’t post or make disparaging comments?) and am very impressed by the insight shown on those blogs. Great source of info.
by thirstyboots18 on Jul 6, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kinda surprised McDyess isn’t getting more play. also am having a hard time believing it is the full MLE for max years. Really for more than 3 years seems implausible to me..
btw, no, that is not trolling. if you read regularly and don’t post it’s usually called “lurking”.
by Berkcelt on Jul 6, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Word difference makes me sound only borderline sinister instead of downright nasty, LOL.
by thirstyboots18 on Jul 6, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Spurs want to go five years at MLE for Davis, that’s an absolutely epic overpay from a franchise that hasn’t done that in the past. That would be absolutely shocking.
by CoachBo on Jul 6, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is NO way the Spurs are doing this. I don't know who would believe that rumor who watches any ball. Its beyond silly and stupid
Two years, maybe.
Having said that, its the loss of Babies d on big post guys that WILL hurt us. Baby has great hands and defends in the post well. is he worth the mle for 2 years? He might be, imho, if you need your team to beat Howard and Cleveland
by wahz on Jul 6, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soooo
we are going to let a young, improving PF who can shoot go for peanuts but sign two guys over 35. seems like we dont gain any ground. if we keep BBD then we are much improved because wallace can play both PF/C. who will play off the bench, scal? HA! or are we going to add someone else like mcdyess?
if i was celtic management id let it be known that id match any and all offers to baby.
but if we do lose him, BBD and blair on the spurs…short but a couple of beast with gigantic hearts. they could make all the difference for the spurs
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not buying the spurs giving him the full MLE….its the spurs, arent they one of the smartesr front offices in the league?
by orr on Jul 6, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Tanguay's gut but, I can take it over the Powekids brains.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Jul 6, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are right they seem to take pleasure in BBD
signing somewhere else. It probably goes back to that Powe vs BBD discussion where most of them picked Powe. And before you mention it, I realize that’s even but, it’s the way it is.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Jul 6, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I like BBD...
I couldn’t really blame the Cs for not matching a 5 year, full MLE offer. That is a huge luxury tax hit to take for a player who you won’t be starting for at least another 3 years and would really hinder them financially when it comes to adding anyone else to the team next year.
On the other hand, if they just let BBD walk, then they’re back where they started and need another big without any way to pay for one. Unless they can get Dice or resign Powe and he makes a miraculous recovery, Boston will be undersized and extremely vulnerable to any big getting injured for any length of time.
Mike
by MBunge on Jul 6, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree. that why its just better to pay BBD. atleast you know what you have. he has been taught from kg from his rookie year. look how much he has improved from his rookie campaign.
by NEFOOL on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s really only 1 year of luxury tax. they would earn it make if they make the finals with merchandise sales. im sure the team will likely ake a ton of money on the wallace and hill jerseys too.
next year the team drops down to $57-58m with wallace, hill, with BBD offer from spurs matched.
of course thats without ray, rondo resigned, scal, tony, house, pruitt. the thing is though, we cant use the MLE next year becasue its used on wallace, we cant use the bi-annual back to back years. that means we can only add through the vet minimum and trades.
what would you rather have, pay baby $1-2m more than he’s worth or play with rookies nd cast aways next year?
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can use the MLE next year.
by BudweiserCeltic on Jul 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and another thing
if ainge is really smart (and we assume he is) he would go talk to ray and pierce now. see if he can get ray to resign for a largely reduced amount of money. go see pierce and see if we can get him to opt out next year and take less for more years. it may not happen but you’ve got to try, especially since teh two hav said they’d be willing to do it.
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to consider...
that Ainge is very likely to use at least some of the expiring contracts of Scal, TA, Eddie and Pruitt to try and land a someone before the trading deadline this year. And unless the team is playing extremely well, I’d suspect that Ainge will also explore dealing Ray’s expiring deal for a big contract star on a rebuilding team.
by MBunge on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta sign BBD or rasheeds signing means less
ok we replace powe with rasheed dont we need a big to replace bbd?? whose that gonna be why not just stick with bbd if we sign bbd with rasheed its a dramatic improvement to the bench if not it does not make any sense to me
by dsalmonsen on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats very true
Resigning either bbd or Powe is a huge factor right now.
by Marqui on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per Dime Mag a sign and trade is being discussed between the C's and Suns..
Hill for Big Baby, swipe below per Source: Comcast Sports Net
http://dimemag.com/2009/07/celtics-rumor-swap-grant-hill-for-glen-davis/
ig Baby and Rasheed Wallace were polar opposites during the playoffs. Davis surprised a lot of people by filling in for an injured Kevin Garnett on the offensive end, accounting for about 16 points and 6 boards per game. On the other hand, ‘Sheed turned in one of the least inspired performances in recent memory, essentially quitting in Game 4 of the Detroit/Cleveland series.
So naturally, the Celtics go after Wallace with the mid-level exception – and reportedly won’t match a rumored offer that the Spurs are making to Davis.
Granted, both guys were in different places in their respective careers during this playoff run. Boston is betting that Wallace’s 6.5 ppg effort against Cleveland was a function of his sour attitude given the climate in Detroit’s locker room. Davis was trying to prove his worth to the League after a year in which he put up 7 points and 4 boards per night. Truthfully, if ‘Sheed is committed he’s a better addition for the next two seasons.
But now that Wallace makes Davis expendable, Boston is focusing their remaining attention to another dinosaur.
It is also my belief that Grant Hill will sign with Boston after meeting face-to-face with Doc Rivers by the end of the week. Glen Davis could be gone to San Antonio, as they are prepared to offer their mid-level slot, which it is my understanding that Boston will not match.
Hill isn’t the type of acquisition that Trevor Ariza or Ron Artest would be at the SF spot. But he’ll go a long way to help fill the void left by James Posey after Boston won the ‘chip. The C’s basically went last season without having a second small forward. They never used Bill Walker, they hated playing Tony Allen, and no one else on the roster could even pretend to be a three. So Grant Hill would be a welcome addition, helping to take some mileage off of Paul Pierce’s legs. Plus, Hill’s presence might get AARP to sponsor the Celtics this season.
Source: Comcast Sports Net
by teaguelife on Jul 6, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry - not so much a trade.. the word "swap" is used.
My bad.
by teaguelife on Jul 6, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna have to say:
Spurs signing BBD to the full MLE? It’s possible, maybe like 70%. I mean, nothing’s in stone and such, but we have Wallace now, who the Spurs wanted. Someone said if we sign BBD, we can make up the luxury tax hit if we make the Finals. Well, even without BBD, the Spurs look like they at least make the WCF. Maybe they’re willing to take a similar risk?
Even so, too expensive or not, BBD can’t be easily replaced. That much is obvious to anyone who’s watched a bit of Celtics basketball the last year. Who’s left in the FA market, and can we get him for a reasonable price? Can we do a trade for a big man? If the answers to my 2nd and 3rd questions are no, then maybe it’s worth it to match the Spurs’ offer, especially if there’s a chance it’s not nearly as much money as Tanguay is suggesting.
To me, you can’t just say you’re paying him the full MLE or less for a bench player when he’d start practically anywhere else, and has done effective in the time he’s started for us. Also…after all the discussions about whether BBD or Powe is better, I’d hate to think we’d have neither come October/November, especially for pretty much NOTHING, despite my understanding for why we don’t have Powe and how he’s not the same case as BBD.
If it’s truly not in the Celtics’ financial convenience to sign BBD, fine. But don’t let him walk out so easily.
by Tai on Jul 6, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
grant hill
I don’t see how Grant Hill will be a big addition to the Celtics. He’s going to be 37 and hasn’t played in a championship game. seems strange to be getting rid of the younger players and opting for all the older generation they may still be able to play but why are we building a team for a 1 year shot. I would think they would try and keep some of the young talent they have, I think they’ll be sorry if they let them all go and stick with the over 30 gang.
by happyinNH on Jul 6, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a sec:
37 I understand. WE ALL DO, ok?
Hasn’t played in a championship game? So what does that mean? You think he’d fall apart (MENTALLY….) come his opportunity to help the Celtics get #18? He’s a veteran, he’s been in the NBA for 14 years. He’s probably licking his chops at the prospect of possibly being in a NBA Championship game. If that’s the only thing I’d have to worry about, I’m already waiting to see “Grant Hill signs with Celtics” either on ESPN or here, whichever breaks the news first.
And, it’ll probably happen. It’s Grant Hill that was quoted when he said he was looking forward to this meeting, not Doc. I never got to mention that anywhere on this site, and I wanted that pointed out. : )
by Tai on Jul 6, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurs sign Marcus Haislip
He’s a 6’10’’ power forward and former lottery pick. I haven’t seen any details on money, but they’re paying him enough to come back from Europe. Whether they’re spending part of the MLE on this guy or not, I find it hard to believe they’re going to give this guy at least the LLE and then give Big Baby a full MLE deal. Especially because they still have to sign Ginobili to an extension this year.
Mike
by MBunge on Jul 6, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haislip...
was a star at Unicaja Malaga. He’s more experienced than BBD and would probably not settle for the LLE.
by Brickowski on Jul 6, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if ainge would do a tony allen, scal trade for jamaal tinsley. money matches up and gets us a vet point who can shoot. also, if toronto does the marion for stackhouse sign and trade they will release stack. i know danny had interest in him before, what are the chances he signs here for 1 year?
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
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