I Want My Baby Back Baby Back Baby Back
I'm happy that we added Rasheed Wallace and I hope that we can also soon add Grant Hill and a point guard. Those are the priorities for the offseason. However, if I had my wish, I'd also have Baby back in Boston.
He knows the system and he'd provide great depth off the bench in our rotation. We need another big man anyway and he's certainly a better option than Slim-tat Swift or Mike Sweetooth.
Here's the list of teams that I have seen rumored to have some interest in Glen Davis. Memphis, Dallas, San Antonio, Orlando, Detroit, New York. Now here's that list again with updates and comments.
- Memphis - traded for Zach Randolph
- Dallas - Mark Cuban tweeted that they are not interested
- San Antonio - May land McDyess
- Orlando - Otis Smith indicated that he's not interested (though Tanguay and others seem to think otherwise)
- Detroit - Probably still prefers McDyess but may be an option if he goes elsewhere.
- New York - Seems to be only interested in giving people 1 year deals.
The non-Boston options for Big Baby are starting to dry up. It only takes one team to decide to offer him the full MLE to make him walk. I am of the opinion that the Celtics likely will not match that offer, depending on how many years he gets.
However, I still don't think he's going to get GMs to bid against themselves. Nobody is falling all over themselves to bring Davis on board for big money. He might have to wait around and see if anyone is willing to spend on him after the rest of the big names have been snapped up. But you have to wonder if that's even going to happen, especially for a restricted free agent.
So here's what I think may happen. If Baby and his agent are so set on a big payday (remember that he signed a shorter deal so that he would be available as a free agent a year earlier than most rookies) then they might have to simply take the qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason.
I think this would be the last resort option for Baby and his agent, but if the music stops and all the seats are taken, it might be his best option.
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Me too!
I would very much like to see Steph back in green next season!
by funkstarrdeluxe on Jul 8, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting recap of the situation, thanks.
Also, I think you can clearly get the Mavs out of contention since they have offered the full MLE to Gortat, according to reports. And if they are really going to sign Marion, they won’t have the possibility to sign Baby.
Hopefully Big Baby will resign with us for a two years contract! He would be great in our rotation of bigs coming off the bench, and we have nobody fulfilling this role on the bench except Sheed – and Scal if you make a regular rotation guy.
Who loves ya, Baby?
Cue the lollipop, Telly. We want Baby back!
Listening to Tanguay
He got the Rasheed Wallace deal right, but appears to be wrong with Grant Hill and I would be willing to bet that the Magic really aren’t that hot after Big Baby, if anything they might try to play a little game of chicken with Boston and try to make us pay a little more for him. That could be a dangerous game to play though.
by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Jul 7, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Can BBD slim down and play some minutes at backup SF?
Because if he can, the guy could fill two positions on the Cs this year, backup SF and 4th big. If the only offer BBD’s agent can scare up is a 3 year/$7m deal, Baby would be better off playing for the Qo and then entering full free agency in FA summer 2010, where the teams that don’t sign the big guns will have plenty of money to sprinkle around to second and third tier FAs.
Didn't they ask that of...
…guy named Thomas Hamilton?
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Some guys are just built for heft…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hamilton_(basketball)
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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Baby...
has already gone from 320lbs. (last season) to 300lbs. and wants to be down to 270 by training camp. I want Baby back, too. I actually hope they sign him for at least 3 years so that he can be a trading chip in the future. The guy is going to get better and better.
Here I am!
I loved watching Tom Hamilton play… it was hilarious, especially when he ran the floor. At least he was over 7’ though lol
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i want baby back too! dont know if it will happen though. we have to match dollar for dollar after $68m. we were at $73m to start. we added wallace at around $5.8, hill will cost $1,9 and baby for the MLE is $5.8, thats $13.5 plus $7m(73-68), so $20.5m. double that so $41m. we’d be looking at $114m team salary!
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 7, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
I think that might be inaccurate...
While I’m no salary cap professor, I believe they refer to the MLE and LLE as “exceptions” because you don’t have to pay the lux tax on them. So it would be the $7 million or so, plus whatever Davis was signed for.
by funkstarrdeluxe on Jul 8, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I believe the “exception” in the MLE/LLE title refers to exception to the Salary Cap, not the Luxury Tax. Roy would probably know for sure—→probably explained in detail in the article he put together.
ID rather spend the money on Drew Gooden whi is available and is a true power forward with bulk and height unlike Davis who has bulk but has no height.
He can score, defend and rebound pretty well and would be a great power forward coming off the bench for us.
He is still young 28 I think and is a far more skilled and usefull player then Davis.
Does any one agree with me he should be Dannys # 1 priority and not Davis for our back up power forward slot???
Oy vey! Have you ever seen Drew Gooden play, or are you going by box scores? There's a reason
he’s been on so many teams in so few years. His stats always look nice in stories about trades, but you have to watch him play a few times to realize how bad he stinks.
How can we get Drew Gooden without doing a trade, we have no cash available under the cap, only thing we can do is go over the cap and sign baby
surprised the spurs havent resigned him.
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew Gooden is a Knucklehead
I want no part of him. Or Chris Wilcox either, who is another knucklehead in the Stromile Swift mold.
Davis “gets it.” He’s a nice player to have.
You want to make the Celtics unbeatable this year? Re-sign BBD. That’s our fourth big, so we can go ahead and trade Scal, along with TA and whatever young players Sacramento might want for Nocioni (give Sac-town some cap relief). There’s our backup 3 behind Pierce. Sign Grant Hill, he’s our backup 2 behind Ray Allen/playing alongside Eddie House as point-small forward.
Bigs: KG, Perk, ’Sheed, BBD
Wings: Pierce, Ray, Nooch, Hill
PG: Rondo, House
Not much NET addition to the team’s payroll for next season, since Nooch’s contract would be mostly offset by unloading Scal and TA (it would increase costs in years ahead). You’d be paying BBD probably $2.5 – $3.0M for a year and Hill $1.9M.
Where’s the weakness on that team? You’ve got inside play, you’ve got slashing, you’ve got shooters. You’ve got a lot of defenders. You’re ten deep with legitimate rotation players. You’ve got size up front and quickness in the backcourt. You’ve got a lot of VERY hungry mo’fos looking for redemption.
this setup would be really nice!
i like that deal for toughie nocioni for scal, tony and giddens/walker.
also hoping grant hill signs with the team for a vet minimum.
We can get baby for the same dollars it will cost to get two of the has beens we will have to settle for if he walks.
Davis and Wallace are insurance for an injured Perk and rest time for KG this year, anything less and we are an injury away from scratching and clawing to stay in the race for number 18
I think Baby ends up
back here. Mavs already got Gortat. The Spurs will go after Dice, Orlando, I don’t see as a fit despite Tanguay’s gastro-intestinal premonitions because after losing Gortat and trading Battie they’re gonna need more length than Baby can provide backing up. I don’t see him fitting in NY who wants to go more uptempo. Danny played this right I believe. He should be back at a modest raise.
How Does Getting Wallace Affect BBD's Decision
Getting Rasheed Wallace could, without considering injuries, take away BBD’s playing time. But BBD is probably a better defender against BIG Bigs than Wallace might be. BBD will use strength, similar to Perk, but Wallace has height. So don’t know the answer myself. But if BBD really wants to become a better player he might be better off on our bench than on another bad team. And being here could motivate BBD to become better. Will be interesting to see what he does. I think he can help the team, but his importance has diminished short-term. It could help him long-term if he decides to come here for two years. Wallace will only play one or two years more.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I disagree
I don’t think BBD is a better defender in any situation.
Great point on how minutes will affect BBD. I hope everyone recalls that BBD is one of those players who needs chunks of minutes to be effective. If he’s filling in for only a few minutes at a time, his level of play will be diminished. It’s not a knock on him b/c some players are like that, and some are the complete opposite that in a starting roll they are worse.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's fine coming off the bench.
It will be him and Wallace. Nice combo. Worst case scenario Cleveland.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Very surprised...
At 6`8", I knew BBD was NOT going to get fantastic offers.
Still, I expected his playoff performance would attract at least one offer he would jump at.
he is NOT 6'8"
please. maybe 6’6"
maybe
by lakersbluedevil on Jul 8, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i watched him a lot in college
he was about two inches bigger than reddick.
by lakersbluedevil on Jul 8, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Glen Davis should try to negotiate a two year $6 million contract, or a three year $9 million contract. I think that’s his best option at this point. Something reasonable which Danny will sign, and will give him some good financial security.
Davis’ value is likely to fall if he returns to Boston next season, because his minutes won’t be there. He should try to sign a deal now, and avoid taking the qualifying offer.
I think that`s good for the Celtics and for Davis.
He knows the team, we will certainly make the playoffs, and as a matter of fact, we are just one injury to one of Perk/KG/Sheed away to rely on him for heavy minutes in the playoffs on a good team.
And who doesn`t like to work with Clifford Ray?
He`s still young and can certainly benefit from 2-3 more years on this vet team.
Agree with Who
All these rumors about BBD getting the MLE are rediculous. I agree with Who in that BBD should get a decent salary around 3M, maybe a 3 year 8-9M contract is fair. Someone tell me 1 team that he can start for. I can’t name one. He has some unusual assets in his size, strenght but lacks height and lift. I consider him a Small Center.
If, as I’m sure that he can’t start for another team, how happy will he be on a bad team and still being a reserve.
If he and his agent are smart they should try for a fair deal with the Celts or take the tender and become and unrestricted free agent next summer when many team will have cap space available.
My impression is...
…that Davis needs a couple more years before changing teams. He played well in the playoffs but he needs to sustain that type of performance over an entire season.
It’s a similar situation with Trevor Ariza, who is a good player, but not a great player yet.
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jul 8, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
I almost don't get it
I like Baby too, but he is not my main concern at all. I’m a little surprised that this is getting more attention than the 2/3 spot spelling PP and Ray Ray, or even backup PG.
I’m fine with Scal, a Mikki Moore type player, a cardboard cutout of Shaq circa 2003, playing the 4th big to open the season. If someone gets injured we’ve got Leon as a possibility being available in January and even if not we can deal with it then. BBD I don’t see making a lot of sense right now. I’d even say sign and trade him to fill the 2/3 spot where we really need the help. We simply don’t have the minutes or the money for BBD this year, and for the future he will always be an undersized overweight big who’s not quick enough to guard the 3.
He played well at stretches, yes. And he might be a better and worthwhile match for another team who needs a 4 with toughness and has minutes for him. Other than stashing him in case of injury, I don’t see why we really need him. We DO need a backup PG and someone to spell Pierce though and I’m curious what the options after Grant Hill are.
I'm in 100% agreement.
Given who is on our roster currently, the 2/3 backup should certainly be the top concern. Paying millions, especially when over the cap, to an undersized “niche” player who will hardly see any minutes, doesn’t make much sense to me. Even in the playoffs I thought Scalabrine played better than BBD. Scally, as much as I used to harp on him a few years ago, made minimal defensive lapses and had much better defensive flexibility on who he could guard. I’m totally fine with Scally being the PF backup outside of the “beastly 3”.
There’s several viable backups for pierce still out there. My only criteria would be a) he’s athletic, and b) he’s intelligent. By those criteria both Tony Allen & Bill Walker are ruled out. We don’t need a veteran there or an up-and-coming rookie type.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Could not agree more. Davis is down my list of priorities, and his fate pales in relation to the backup wing that we must have to contend for a title.
Walker is the backup wing.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Celtics would be too vulnerable down low without Davis.
I’m not wild about Glen Davis, but if the Celtics can afford him, they should get him, even if it means having to play the season with Giddens/Walker backing up Pierce. They’d be too vulnerable without Davis.
To illustrate this, here’re two scenarios to consider. In both of them, the Celtics are playing Orlando in the playoffs, and it’s late in the third quarter. Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, and Vince Carter are out on the floor with two guards. Garnet, Perkins, and Pierce are on the bench for another few minutes.
Now in scenario one, you can have either Rasheed Wallace or Ryan Scalabrine down low guarding Howard, and the other out chasing Lewis around on the perimeter. And then on Carter, you get to place whatever small forward backup you can imagine yourself getting in this off-season.
In scenario two; you can have Glen Davis down low on Howard, with Wallace out on Lewis, and your choice of either Giddens or Walker out on Carter.
Now I like Scalabrine. But as a backup center, I thiink he’d get killed against Howard. And while that was happening, your free agent forward acquisition couldn’t help you much. I also think Howard would be too much to handle for Wallace, and meanwhile, Lewis would again show that Scalabrine couldn’t defend him.
So I prefer the second scenario, playing with Davis and Giddens/Waker. I figure less damage will be done by the Magic. And if you want, you can run the same scenarios with the Lakers, and with Gasol, Odom, and Artest out there.
So tell me where I’m wrong.
completely agree
That’s a good presentation of possible scenarios. I don’t think that the backup wing was our weakspot last year—>having Posey would NOT have gotten us past Orlando/CLE/LA. Our weakspot is the frontcourt. KG/Perk/Sheed are a terrific 3-headed monster but we need another good 4th big man and BBD would fill those shoes. Relying on Veal in the rotation, in spite of his improved play last year, is not a smart option IMO
You're missing One Key Point...
Sure, in your exact scenario BBD is more useful than Scally. But if you watched that series, you would know that Rashard Lewis absolutely DESTROYED glenn davis. Scalabrine actually did a good job guarding Lewis. So while you’re worried about what happens if THREE people get inured, I’m worrying about having a backup for Pierce who has an IQ higher than 50.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I was trying to project actual match ups, barring any injuries. After all, I don’t see us winning another title if any of our starters are unavailable (well, maybe Ray Allen).
And if everyone’s available, and if I have to play the bench against the other team’s starters, then I’d put Wallace on Lewis, Davis on Howard, and Walker/Giddens on Carter. Wouldn’t you?
As for the past Orlando series, I thought neither Scalabrine nor Davis matched up well with Lewis. I expect Wallace can handle him, though.
Good Point Jeff
It makes sense that his draft strategy predicts what he will do here – take the 1 year QO and be unrestricted next year, although there will be a lot of money flying around for bigger names then.
Why would anybody want Drew Gooden?. Nobody keeps him around and that’s not for nothing. On the other hand, Big Baby has two years in the league. Played his way onto the court in year one for a coach that doesn’t play rookies and in year two greatly improved his shooting. In year three he promises to be slimmer. How do you ignore that motivation and trajectory. It would be HUGE mistake to lose him.
Then why is every other team ignoring BBD?
I know he’s a fan favorite to many, but count me amongst the group who believe the Celtics money could be spent better elsewhere. Apparently all other teams & their GMs feel the same. Good point about Doc’s reluctance to play rookies though.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Because other teams won`t make an unreasonable offer...
…and Boston will (hopefully) match the reasonable ones.
Why give an offer for Davis, when you need the money elsewhere? They won`t make a big offer just to mess with Boston. Not one off-season before the “Summer of 2010”.
And the Celtics won`t find a better 4th big for the money they have available to spend.
The devil you know...
The names available for Big Baby money, well, that money would be better spent on Big Baby IF you agree that his rate of improvement in first two years trajects into further improvement. Not all may agree which is maybe why other GMs are not moving. In this day and age no one wants to overpay (MLE) for a young bench guy and why offer him $3.0 mil if you know the Celts will match.
Baby did play good defense on Shaq, who’s now in the East and he did very well against Duncan. If he loses another 20 lbs it won’t cost him any strength as much as gain him lateral quickness. That’s what he needs if he’s going to stop Howard from rolling to the hoop for dunk or short hook. I’d rather have Big Baby than McDyess, Joe Smith, Chris Wilcox, Stro Swift etc.
"held his own" different than "very well"
BBD held his own against Duncan, who by the way still had more than a 20/10 on the night. On the other end BBD would never be able to score or rebound against Duncan. Draft night 1994 I recall Eric Montross being described as someone who “held his own against David Robinson in a summer game.” That was what people were touting, and he proved to be a sub-par player.
I agree that BBD has improved, and that it’s entirely possible he can lose a good amount of weight while still retaining the same strength. I still think it says something that BBD hasn’t gotten 1 offer from another team. I’d rather have McDyess NOW, and a big other than BBD in the future.
I’m not against bringing BBD back, I just want him used situationally (with an average of like 6-8 minutes a game max), and for a salary of 175% of what he earned last year.
He won't be losing much weight
because he doesn’t need to and equating offers to his worth is short sighted.
6-8 minutes..
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I'd take that
Who wouldn’t? 6-8 at the QO. However, that’s pretty much the opposite of what he wants. He wants minutes and more money. But even if it happened, we barely need him and he’s an unrestricted FA next year. It doesn’t secure our future and we’ll have the same log jam next year, and if he plays well in that limited roll he’s gone then with nothing in return. So, I’d still sign and trade him, maybe in a package with Pruitt and/or Giddens to fill the other needs.
by Ritzybeanboy on Jul 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You read the post incorrectly
unless you were being funny. Maybe you replied the wrong post. Hard to tell. But anyway we need him more than you believe.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I was responding to
“I’m not against bringing BBD back, I just want him used situationally (with an average of like 6-8 minutes a game max), and for a salary of 175% of what he earned last year.”
Maybe I responded in the wrong place. I think there’s also a better way to quote, but oh well.
While it wouldn’t hurt to have him, I think “need” is way too strong of a word. We “need” a backup 3. We only need BBD if one of the bigs gets hurt.
OMG BBD Love!
I’m still praying that someone will beat out the qualifying offer for Fat Davis.
It’s too bad McHale’s not around to save us.
Seriously, don’t understand all the BBD love. He’s statistically and visually one of the worst players in the NBA. I’m starting to think it’s a fat on fat thing… People love to see their own succeed, and the Fats will put on their fat colored glasses and somehow think he’s good…
Don`t throw stones.
You`re sitting in a glass house with that username.
:P
FYI
I believe the qualifying offer to Davis is $1,000,497
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Ya
I know it’s not much money, but I get sick to my stomach watching him flounder about on both ends of the floor.
For that million, can we get someone who can block a shot at PF, or at least affect one in the paint? He’s 6’8" with a negative vertical. This leaves his only defensive move as drawing charges, which end up as blocking fouls about half the time.
I hear the Benny Hill theme song in my head when I watch him on offense too. Those spin moves… LOL
by AntoineWalker on Jul 8, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
benny hill lol
I hear the same, but I don’t get why people on here think BBD is going to command the full MLE when we may likely get him for that 1million. That big of discrepency speaks volume of the reality of his play and fan perception.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks Jeff
I was unsure exactly what it was. I was guessing 1.3 mill.
by TomHamilton30 on Jul 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i want my baby back
look i want baby back but i dont think he is worth 6 or 7 mill per season he is a good role player that had a good play offs and now thinks he should be paid like a franchise player if he is not going to brake the bank then o.k. if not then see ya hey danny i want my powe back i want my powe back ….


























