Celtics vs. Lakers you rate them.

hmmm…

kevin never had his way with gasol in those finals

I remember gasol backing down KG and literally dunking it right on his head, because the celtics win this is forgotten and KG is glorified, when he was maybe the 4th best player in the entire finals..

as far as this comparing i dont find it relevant as of now to be honest, but wheres odom? he will be back with the lakers..

by orr on Jul 10, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

I think I forgot that moment..was it Game 6 when the score was around 90-50???I do remember every analyst saying how soft LA was…come on a healthy Boston this year would have eaten LA alive again..

by birdrules on Jul 11, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Part II

Please read below about Odom…you all are killing me..

by birdrules on Jul 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn’t the Lakers play a healthy boston? During the Christmas game weren’t you guys all healthy?

by shoothoop on Jul 12, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way, I think it’s kind of disgusting how the Lakers were bashed in the 08 Finals for making the “Bynum was injured” excuse for why they didn’t win. You guys hated it, saying that the Lakers would have lost anyway, etc.

Then in 09 here are the Celtics fans saying that if you guys were “healthy” you would have won.

It’s a little hypocritical.. Dont you think so?

by shoothoop on Jul 13, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on!!!!!!

Garnett being injured is a major injury too the key defender,and he is the best power foward in the game. Along side Tim Duncan. Bynum is a starting center. Not a all-star center shoothoop. Leon Powe is almost on the same level as Bynum. If we had Garnett,and Powe was hurt,and we used that. Then that would be lame. You can’t compare the two injuries. Thats ludacris.

by green20 on Jul 13, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how?

last year ariza was injured as well as bynum? what happened this year when they were healthy? c’mon, help me out with this one. i forgot. you would think that 300lbs and 6 more fouls to issue would be a factor…

by LAKESHOWrydamee on Jul 13, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But the Lakers didn’t have Ariza AND Bynum. If you watched the Finals this year, you would know that Ariza was a huge factor..

Also, it doesn’t really matter to me who would have been a bigger contributor for their respective teams. I don’t care who was gone, It’s just the fact that the Celtics fans use it as an excuse when just last year you guys were bashing Lakers fans for making an “injury excuse”

If you’re going to bash Laker fans for bringing up the injury card in the 08 finals, no matter who you guys were missing I don’t think it’s fair that you then bring up the injury card for the 09 playoffs for your team….

You either bash Laker fans for making excuses and then don’t make them yourselves OR you say “its okay for the Laker fans to make excuses because I will too” It’s appalling you don’t think it’s hypocrtical.

by shoothoop on Jul 14, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

keep dreamin...

bostons roster is trash when compared to the lakers. The lakers have 4 allstar caliber (kobe, artest, pau, lamar) players opposed to Bostons (2.5), I say 2.5 because Ray allen is going to be on the definate down turn, we saw him slowing down last year.

Matchup wise the Celtics have no answers for the Lakers offensive threats. Kobe just cannot be guarded. To quick for pierce, too big for ray. Meanwhile, kobe and artest will easily handle pierce and ray. Pau and LO are just to good at passing and quick for Perkins. Bynum showed glimpses of greatness last finals offensively, and showed he is a top 5 center, and that was him at only 70% healthy. Boston’s only wildcard advantage is KG, but we have yet to see how he can recover from surgery. Big guys of that age generally arent ever the same, I wouldnt be suprised if he lost a step and some speed.

All that aside, it doesnt matter how the individuals rate. It’s about how the team operates together. Prime example: Rondo. Boston GM himself acknowledges the fact that Rondo becomes a hinderance for the team in crutch time. Teams like Orlando are just leaving him open, and leaving the opposing defense with an extra perimeter defender. Meanwhile Fisher has proven time and again to be a calming presence on the court. As far as leadership goes, Fisher ranks a 9 to Rondo’s 6. Fisher may not be better than Rondo individually, but he does a great job with role, as orlando will tell you.

Last point: Boston is one and done. The eastern conference has gotten immensely more competitive. Basically if Boston doesn’t get the #1 seed, they are going to have to go through both Orl and Cle before even playing the Lakers. Not to mention wildcard teams like Chi, Atl, Mia, and Det that could create first round havok as we’ve seen. And to be perfectly realistic the chances of an aging rosters that has 0 depth getting the #1 seed are slim. As it stands, Boston’s only capable player on the bench is going to be house and sheed. The lakers meanwhile had a real playoff tested 10 man rotation.

2009-2010 is gonna be the year the wheels fall off of the boston bandwagon.

by robi s on Jul 10, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Your just a Laker bandwagon fan. I can tell by your rating of Bynum as a top 5 center. Even

Gortat played better in the playoffs last year.

by eastie Rich on Jul 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you clearly dont know what you’re talking about.

a) Bynum wasnt at 100% during the playoffs, and he rushed his comeback
b) If you look at his numbers pre-injury, he average 14 ppg, 9 rpg, 2blks, 60% fg, thats better then both perkins and big baby
c) Anyone who knows anything about B-ball acknowledges Bynum is a top 5 center. Shaq has even acknowledged it. It’s Dwight, Shaq, Yao, Bynum, and Nene.
d) you’re an idiot if you’d rather have gortat over bynum

If you look at Bynums numbers when healthy he was better than any of the celtics

by robi s on Jul 10, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Being a top 5 center is not the hardest thing to do in the NBA right now...

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 10, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

I’m not saying Bynum is one of the best players in the league, simply just one of the best at his position. The center is a dying position. I’m pretty sure shaq is gonna be one of the last truly dominant centers we will see for a while. Offensively, when healthy bynum is better then Howard. 14ppg is pretty good for a guy who is the 4rth option behind kobe, pau, lo

by robi s on Jul 11, 2009 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dreamland Part II

The fact that Lamar Odom is included in the discussion is laughable-much less an ALL-Star of some sort?/ Please..he faded more than Casper the last time I saw him on the playoff court with Celtics.Pierce/Ray? The last times they matched up Pierce always came out on top..even though Bryant is the better player. Artest? While Allen keeps his cool we will probably not see many 4th quarter appearancesby Artest…at best he and Rasheed are a wash and Rasheed will be subbing.The inside toughness is overwhelming in The Celtics column. don’t believe me? Just reverse film to 2008 when both were healthy…Was not even close..I’m still laughing about Odom…

by birdrules on Jul 11, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So true birdrules!

Odom is yet to sign with the Lakers. He’s the only good bench player the Fakers have. If they have him. It’s no biggie. I don’t expect Luke Walton too play that well again.

by green20 on Jul 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its not all about individual matchups

this is a team sport and chemistry is an important factor, especially in the playoffs. I’m not saying LA doesn’t get along, but to me it seems like the Celtics have more serious attitude about winning overall than the lakers do. I personally don’t think LA will be much better next year with Artest, especially if they lose Odom. Artest is a good players, but he disrupts the flow of the offense and often has a mind of his own with the ball. He sometimes plays a little out of control.

by trey on Jul 10, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is not a review of chemistry.

Its just by position. Celtics at 100% the best defense in the league.Even in 2010.

by green20 on Jul 11, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm interesting boston slant imo

Im a laker fan but im no homer. When the lakers suck i’ll say it, as lebron would say “Check my stats” or “Check my posts” for me.
I think you overestimate Boston cause youre looking thru green goggles.

PG. Rondo > D-fish or Farmar. I put Farmar in this area because people forget he had knee surgery in the middle of the season and came back at 70% if that. Farmar in a contract year next season and will probably start but fish will still finish the games.

Quick note Rondo isnt a top ten point gaurd in the nba, so how can he be rated 9 without a decent 3pt shot is beyond me. The east doesnt boast great pg’s so he looks better than he really is-CP3,DWILL,BILLUPS,NASH,M.ELLIS,B.DAVIS,BARBOSA,& TONY PARKER all Western Conf.

SG. Kobe > R. Allen and it isnt close but you got that already. Ray still got game but lighting up the crappy bulls doesnt give me confidence and rays 22 3’s was would be 3 years to the date of next years finals against a much different team.

SF. Pierce = Artest Equal because of the head to head match-up. What can Pierce do offensively to attack ron at this stage of his career…no major adv. anywhere, Pierce should’ve lit up the bulls but he showed in the first rd of the playoffs a serious lack of athleticism. Artest has age,athleticism and his offense is at its peak…this is an even call.

PF KG < Pau Obviously injury is the difference here but, Pau is playing his best ball right now and I would put this match-up at equal even if KG was 100% because of how well Pau is playing right now. KG is one of my favorite players all-time but his numbers have been on a steady decline, problem is ray allen and paul pierce’s numbers are doing the same thing and their production helps him.

C Perkins = Bynum The only reason this is equal is because Bynum has had 2 straight years of ‘freak’ injuries. 1 landing on Odom and 2 Kobe banging into his knee, 2 different knees…ouch. Kind of lucky it was both knees cause working on the same knee over and over becomes chronic.

If someone doesnt fall under of bang into Bynum he is wayyy better than Perkins but Perkins consistency and slowly getting better on offense has him at equal right now.

LA bench > Bos bench Odom is better than Sheed right now,lets be honest here only thing Sheed does better than Odom is the 3pt shot.

Sasha had a injury and played thru it for the team hurting his shooting he’ll be back to his normal self next year House was like Sasha when he was healthy even match-up.

Shannon Brown, Luke Walton > Glen Davis Tony Allen. Glen davis btw had a good postseason last year because he never played against a legit PF, R.Lewis isnt a PF he’s a SF playing out of position.

Ultimately the difference between the teams is age. After a long playoff season and reg. season the Celtics have a far greater chance of being out of gas or inj. None of us can fight father time. Lakers in 6 Hypothetically.

by dodgers2009 on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How did the Laker fans get in on this?

They seem a little worried right now. Odom won’t be back. Odom,and Artest are not stable players. They flake out,and tend to not show up. We get pretty much the same from the big 3. Rondo is the forgotten man in this. He has a better handle on his team. Odom won’t sign for 1-2 million a year. That’s a joke. All players say they will take less. At the end of the day they do not. He will be a Blazer. Maybe even in New York. Sorry Laker fans. The Spurs will beat you. They added 2 better pieces to there team then you. They have a better system.

by green20 on Jul 10, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RJ is trash. He only averaged his numbers because he had 0 people on his team in Mil. Artest will shut him down. They have 0 depth. Mcdyess is WAYYYYY too small and OLD. I guarantee at least 1 of their big 3 have injuries. Bynum already is making Duncan look old.

Odom is gonna get 10 mil from the lakers, both odom and the lakers pretty much love eachother. The lakers are right now bidding against themselves. NY is saving for 2010. Por wants to develop aldridge. so im not worried LO will go elsewhere. He already said he would take a paycut to comeback, cuz he knows LA is where championships are won.

by robi s on Jul 10, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with green20

I think the spurs will be the team to beat come finals time.

and to the lakers fan, if you have seen this last year’s playoffs, you would know that Rondo is a top ten pg. He’s certainly better than BARBOSA. That’s insulting.

by trey on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rondo got torched by a rookie! Who was in his 1st playoffs.

Are you kidding me? And i listed the better league as far as east vs west pg’s.

If Rondo was in the West his numbers would be way down. Barbosa is a very good player btw, Danny Ainge would make that deal in a heartbeat.

And here are 12 Point Gaurds better than Rondo( Remember I was only listing Western Conf. before.
No particular order btw

CP3,DWILL,BILLUPS,NASH,M.ELLIS,B.DAVIS,BARBOSA,TONY PARKER 8 guys from the West.

J.NELSON,D.HARRIS,STUCKEY,ROSE 4 guys from the East.
Thats 12 guys every GM would take over Rondo.

I would’ve put Gibert Arenas in here if he was ever healthy. Notice i didnt mention Mo Williams, mainly because he’s nowhere near an All-star, he’s Super Overrated.

Its not insulting to say the truth.
Rondo was good in the playoffs but he played against a Rookie D.Rose and Rafer Alston.

Im not saying Rondo a terrible player at all. I think he’s a good player but not in my top 10 or 12. That number might grow with all the good pg’s coming into the league.

Not like he was dominating any of the guys I listed above is it? Be honest with yourself.

by dodgers2009 on Jul 11, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Gasol is 28.

by The Real Large James 2 on Jul 10, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

First, the Spurs are now the team to beat out west barring injuries.

PG: Rondo. With Allen, Pierce and House, does he even need to shoot 3s? Lakers fanboys who just watched their first game ever a few months ago, ponder that one… also, averaging a triple double in the postseason?
SG: Kobe > Ray, unless it’s a game winner.
SF: Pierce. Are you Lakers fans seriously telling there is even an arguement for Artest being “equal” on either end of the court? I might as well list Pierce as SG and put him over Kobe, because that is FAR less far fetched. And Pierce did fine against the Bulls, for those who actually watched the games, or even read the box scores…
PF: KG > Gasol.
C: Perk on defense, Bynum on offense but not by much.. Perk is overall more useful to his team. If Bynum’s return last season was a prediction of things to come in the future, I may be far to generous with this one – this is assuming he returns to form and doesn’t fall apart or get injured as the season progresses as he has in the past.

Bench: If the Celtics resign Big Baby or replace him with someone comprable than the Celtics win here… or if the Lakers fail to resign Lamar Odom, the Celtics win here as well. Either way, Rasheed Wallace is far better than any of the Lakers bench warmers.

And anyone who thinks the Lakers really have more than ARGUABLY two all-star caliber players on their team is clearly on drugs.

by fps_dean on Jul 10, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I also need to throw in a fact check for some of the Lakers fanbois who just watched their first game a couple months ago: KG, Pierce and Allen’s numbers have NOT been on the decline. Their numbers went down when they started playing together and getting less shots.

Also, Artest might be capable of playing defense marginally better than Ariza, however he will just take shots from Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Fisher and his offense is really bad right now. Ariza didn’t shoot much, but he was effective — far more effective last year than Artest’s been over his whole career. I do not see Artest making the team better even with Odom.

by fps_dean on Jul 10, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Ariza's numbers in 1 playoff run

Make him better than Artests whole career? WTF.
You also said Artest offense is really bad right now. How? He lead Houston out of the 1st rd, something they havent been able to do in over a decade. He did that as the #2 scoring option on a team that minus Yao/Mcgrady and took the lakers 7 games.

“KG > Pau”-fps_dream
And KG is going to be as good as EVER coming off of his worst year stat wise and a knee surgury. I wondered why you didnt give any reason for KG being better than a younger healthier player in his prime coming off of a title run where he showed improved offense and defense.

Pierce was never a high-flyer his game was always skill over athleticism but the older you get the lack of athleticism hurts your game more and more.

For example where can Pierce taake Artest on the court and dominate??? 4 years ago anywhere was the answer, but now i cant see him taking Artest off the dribble or in the mid/low post. His high skill level tho allows him to make difficult/contested shots thats why its even because i can say the same thing for Ron at this stage of his career.

On paper the Celtics look good but once 82 games and a long playoff run I can easily see injuries and attrition taking a toll on this team. 4 of BOS 5 top players are Sheed,KG,Ray,Pierce NONE of them are in the middle of their PRIME.

Sheed has a bad left knee and lost all his athleicism as well. Can you remeber the last time he dunked a basketball??

And dont talk to me about the Spurs, they are a walking mash unit with MANU,DUNCAN, and RJ. and a weak bench. Check the thread for my response about rondo’s numbers against Rookie D.Rose and Rafer Alston…c’mon.

by dodgers2009 on Jul 11, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You must clearly be on drugs then…..there is no argument. The Lakers have 2 allstars NO argument. Kobe and Pau were both allstars last year. Pau is a former rookie of the year, was a Western Conference Player of the month this year, and was third team all NBA, not to mention his stellar international record as a former FIBA MVP.

Clearly you must have just started watching during the playoffs, cuz Boston only had 2 allstars too. Ray allen was only added because Nelson was injured. Boston also only had one player on an all NBA team.

If Rondo is so great why is Ainge trying to trade him? It’s because unlike Bos fans, everyone else who is not blind could see Rondo is an offensive liability in close games, including Ainge Orl just left him open last season, and Rondo didnt do jack about it.

As for Bynum, the kid is still 21 and growing into his body. Last post season is was not a fair indication of his skill level. He was monsterous during the regular season. He was averaging 28ppg and 15 rpg in the weeks prior to getting injured. He showed he can even outplay Tim duncan, so to call Perkins=Bynum, is pure idiocacy.

KG being better than gasol has yet to be seen. KG is getting older and as we’ve seen with Yao, leg problems could prove his undoing. Sure KG healthy is better than Gasol, but that is yet to be seen. And even a healthy KG, Pau is not far behind. Pau really matured this past year, and held his own vs. Howard. The same Howard who dropped 40 on the cavs, and brought boston to its knees.

As far as the pierce-artest matchup goes, you’d be suprised. Their career stats are virtually the same, except for a 3ppg difference in favor of Pierce. In their head to head matchup from the 2 games against eachother Ron had 32 points (34%), and pierce had 39 (41%). Ron’s percentage is all but guaranteed to go up with the increase in open looks he will be getting. Thats aside from the point as the Lakers arent even going to be asking Ron to score. What’s important to notice is that Ron forced pierce to take 10 3’s, above his average 3pt attempts per game. Pierces shooting % also went down 5%. The numbers may not tell the whole story, but they certainly dont point to Pierce dominating this matchup. We’ll just have to see what happens during the season, when the lakers have 2 all defensive team players at the 2 and 3.

As for Sheed being better then LO, thats simply not true. LO is going to torch Sheed. Sheed is way to slow to guard LO on the perimeter. The Lakers are far more likely to resign LO than the Celts are to getting back BBD. Unlike BBD, there are no teams that can give LO the 10-13 mill LO wants. LO already has said he loves LA, so its useless trying to pretend LO is leaving. BBD meanwhile still can be signed for the MLE by houston, SA has LLE and a starting spot for him. Even without odom (which wont be an issue) the lakers bench collectively is 10 times deeper then bostons. We comfortably play a 10 man rotation, while boston only has house and sheed. Rivers basically was forced to play scalabrine cuz Bos has zero depth. Good luck patching your holes with ur LLE. Gonna sign mikki moore? marbury?

Bos is one and done. Even if they do make it through the regular season in one piece, they are going to have to go to war with Cle and Orl, leaving the Lakers to pick off the scraps of the surivor. The Lakers biggest competition meanwhile is an aging spurs team that is one year removed from being ousted by a pathetic mav team in the first round, who then subsequently got manhandled by Denver.

I’m hoping Boston gets to the finals however so that the lakers can have the satisfaction of delivering the final blow to Boston that sends them into rebuilding mode. Let me remind you, the Lakers swept boston last year, without Bynum, while you guys had a healthy KG : ) Best of luck to you guys.

by robi s on Jul 11, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just want to go on record at the Celtics blog saying...

comparing teams like this, position by position, is about the stupidest thing I read nowadays on basketball blogs. Anyone agree with me?

The starters match-up together like this for all of what, 10-15 minutes a game?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 10, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Both stupid and biased...

This is a terrible comparison thread. You can’t compare position-position, period. Remember, the NBA doesn’t go…ok, PGs must guard PGs, SGs with SGs…you get the point. You have to take in account rotation, bench play, double teaming, and outliers. Honestly, some players just do better at times. Luke Walton for some strange weird reason played great some point in the Playoffs. Lamar Odom is the most inconsistent player I know. Honestly, position by position cannot be done.

Also, this thread seems biased heavily toward the Celtics. Hey, if you guys are so godly and all that, how come you couldn’t beat Orlando? Oh yeah, no KG, right? Well you guys had Rondo and Glen Davis playing out of their minds, two talented veterans who were playing awesome as well, and the rest of the team looked fine to me. Guess what? You lost in 7. Guess what? We won in 5. This is ridiculous biasing here…oh, Gasol’s an 8.0 despite making 3rd team All NBA and averaging a double double. Makes a lot of sense. Perkins is rated lower than Bynum yet supposedly has the edge. How does that work?

Let’s face it, this thread is pure garbage. And yes, Justin N., I agree with you.

by inXile on Jul 11, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

by robi s on Jul 11, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you guys watch sport pre games,or post games..

Everybody breaks it down to what spot they play.Im not breaking it down to defensive plays,and offensive sets. Just to what spot they play.That’s why they give them positions.
1ST of all. Rondo Averaged a triple double against that rookie.
Doodger guy and Justin have no clue what there talking about. I think they want to just make noise. Watch a Celtics game,and then maybe I will pay attention to you guys.

by green20 on Jul 11, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And that’s why most pregame / postgame shows stink. All the guys sound like they never know what they are talking about. Seriously? That’s a horrible argument. Have you even listened to Stuart Scott and the likes, they’re all horrible!

by shoothoop on Jul 12, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im not a fan of Staurt Scott.

I hate the espn/abc basketball pre game. I do like TNT chuck and kenny. Also I do like the local comcast announcers for the C’s

by green20 on Jul 12, 2009 3:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hahahah CHARLES BARKLEY ISHILARIOUSSSSSS

by robi s on Jul 13, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how old are you???

maybe the start of all posts should be the authors age. I’m 40 by the way. it seems that this person is blind or biased. kobe isn’t a WHOLE LOT better than ray-ray? watch the finals again and remind yourself that not only did we destroy orlando and their hopes, we shattered the hearts of the very same team that won a game seven in boston. other than the rings(rings from a small league with no salary issues), that was bostons legacy. not losing, ever, when it counts for all the marbles at home. that stat alone, as much as i hate boston, gave them respect and demi-god status in this league and from me. yes the LakeShow has been blown out in the finals, more than once, so don’t try and ride that ship buddy, it has sailed years ago. soak up losing a historic record to the likes of SVG and the magic. PATHETIC… (here comes the excuses, lol)

by LAKESHOWrydamee on Jul 13, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who are you talking to?

by green20 on Jul 13, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

aha, it is youth...

first line says it all youngster. “posting of the AUTHORS age”, lol. youth is wasted on the young. how did you not see the first sentence?

by LAKESHOWrydamee on Jul 13, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Whoa there old timer...

I think someone needs to go and take their afternoon nap, because when they don’t they get cranky =-O
And being 26 is not that much younger. Besides that,what does age have to do with misreading your post? Aren’t all of these little comments we make considered to be posts in general? If you didn’t think they were you wouldn’t have divulged your age in the beginning of yours. So with that logic you could have been talking about anyone. Next time try to be a bit more specific.

by green20 on Jul 13, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don' t your Lakers have 5 championships from that same time period?

A championship is a championship. Does not matter when it was won. During any time period. That’s your opinion of the championships. Fact is the Celtics have a league best 17,and the Lakers have 15. The Kobe factor is? He is better than Ray. Hands down.What im getting at with not by much. Would be as a team whole.Having Kobe The clear best. The other 4 spots on the floor we have the clear advantage.

by green20 on Jul 13, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It will all boil down to Chemistry

The game is still team based, and the Celtics still has the upperhand when it comes to this subject. The Rockets took the Lakers to 7 games without their star players in most of the games and the Rockets did that with great team effort.

You have KB who’s ego is as big as Jupiter and Ron Artest who’s ego is probably as big as the sun. Its going to be Shaq and Kobe all over again.

The Celtics beat the Lakers last year because they were the better TEAM not because they had star players like last years MVP Kobe Bryant. The media thought the Lakers were going to win it, but the Celtics beat them by 25+ points in a Finals game that mattered the most. I guess the Lakers were good at Faking that they were the better team.

The same theory goes for the Cavs – They had Lebron, but one man can’t beat a team that plays well.

Don’t get me wrong… I think The Lakers are the best team in the West, but the Celtics are still best team in the NBA.

Stay healthy, stay focused and stay as a team… Banner 18

by ziggen on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well said ziggen.

I thought the best team in the west heathy was the Rockets.

by green20 on Jul 16, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

specific??? i'm not your mac computer...lol doesn't mean cranky...read more thoroughly

there will be no hand holding, try creating a thought path like a pc programmer. i apologize. with age comes wisdom, not criticism. we don’t nap here in cali, too much to do. surf and snow in the same day with 90 degree weather, year round motorcycle riding on pacific coast highway. get some.
be biased for your team, as you should. celts fans will be blind to facts. you guys felt you were the best team last season… with moore and marbury on the bench. wisdom wastes no time arguing with logic like that. deal with your issues in the east with the magic and cavs… then see if you have the(not starting five, but) TEAM to take whats ours. i’ve been witnessing rings since ‘79 buddy. you’d better relish in the ONE that you’ve witnessed. ‘86 should’nt count because of your lack of passion for the game at that age.
for the record, i was kobes biggest fan before he signed at 17, so i was elated he came to LA. after the rape and chasing shaq out of town, he lost me as a fan. that takes nothing away from him as a player. side by side his numbers across the board against ray-ray on basketball-reference.com and take into consideration the years kobe played with shaq he couldn’t score as much because of shaq. you WILL respect his game.

by LAKESHOWrydamee on Jul 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well all I can say.

I know this game,and have given a huge part of my life to it,and study it every day. I will see a title in 2010,and I say that with confidence. It sounds biased. I can’t help the Celtics are building this dominant team this coming season. At least on paper. Defense wins championships,and Garnett heathy means 18 to me.

by green20 on Jul 18, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

I’m 42 years old. Using your logic that means I’m more knowledgeable about the NBA than you. Sounds stupid doesn’t it? That’s because it has no real relevance.

To me it’s real simple. There is no way to tell for sure which team will be better at this point in time. Boston was the better team two years ago and proved it head to head. They were a much more cohesive team that was tougher and played superior defense to every other team in the league. Of course some Lakers fans will blame the loss that year on injuries. Unfortunately for them, they will never know for sure.

This past season, Boston lost two key pieces in the offseason (P.J. Brown and James Posey) and did not adequately replace them. I still thought they had a solid chance of making the Finals, but once Garnett and Powe were injured and Tony Allen missed significant playing time, I knew they weren’t going to win this season. Team chemistry was suspect due to all the missing pieces, and the lack of depth was going to come back to haunt them in the end. Some Celtics fans will use the injury excuse, but not me. Unfortunately injuries are a part of the game. The Celtics were not deep enough to overcome them last season and thus they lost to Orlando. Of course belittling this season’s Celtics team for losing to Orlando with a severely depleted roster is also pretty tactless. But, that is the way some people choose to behave.

Who knows what next season has in store? IF Garnett returns healthy then Boston returns the exact same starting 5 that they have had for the past two season. The Lakers cannot say the same. They have replaced Ariza with Artest and chemistry might be an issue. It’s impossible to predict.

The Celtics also appear to be addressing some key areas of weakness from last season. The signing of Wallace gives them another solid big who can defend and shoot from range (a definite upgrade over P.J. from two years ago, and HUGE upgrade over Mikki Moore from two season ago. Rumor has it they have also signed Marquis Daniels from the Pacers who gives them someone capable to backup the 2 and 3 spots.

Whether this was a straight signing or a sign in trade is still in question as I have seen it both ways. If it was a straight signing then the current Celtic roster is (Rondo, R. Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins, Wallace, House, Daniels, T. Allen, Scalabrine, Walker, Giddens and Pruitt – feel free to correct me if this is wrong). That’s a very solid starting 8 and Scalabrine is an adequate backup with range. The only real weakness appears to be at backup point guard at this point in time. They also still have the possibility of bringing back Big Baby Davis. The Lakers still have to figure out a way to sign Odom. Without him, their bench is significantly donwngraded, and honestly, the rest of the Laker bench doesn’t overwhelm me in any way.

To me it appears that the Celtics have upgraded their team by adding a couple key pieces and the Lakers have potentially messed with the chemistry of their starting lineup by essentially trading Ariza for Artest and also have the possibility of losing their best bench player in Odom. At best, the Lakers have treaded water with no significant acquisitions. I personally don’t see Artest as an upgrade over Ariza. Ariza was a consummate team player who won several postseason games for the Lakers last season with his defense. Who knows what you are going to get with Artest? Certainly not any previous championship experience.

IF the Celtics stay moderately healthy then they have a legitimate chance of representing the East again although, as has been stated, the East should be harder to get through. I think the Celtics would have a better than even chance of defeating the Lakers if they met in the Finals next year and both teams are moderately healthy. That also assumes the Lakers win the West which is by no means set in stone. Of course that is my opinion, and the fact that I am 42 certainly does NOT qualify me as an expert analyst as some would lead you to believe.

by King Coebra on Jul 19, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is totally wrong

what a biased post. first off i would like the say the celtics are an amazing team. they scare the hell out of me. but either way if the lakers get lamar odom back, the general consensus around the league is that the lakers are the best team. Kobe is the 1st or 2nd best player in the league (what is ray allen?). Ron artest does a phenomenal job against bigger stronger SLOWER (because paul pierce moves like molasses) small forwards. Plus, can you imagine two all team NBA defensive stoppers out on the wings backed by 2 7 footers? Yeah i love the lakers offense, but their defense could be number 1 this year. Also, when is the last time you saw a big man in his mid thirties come back the same from a season ending injury? hopeful thinking wouldn’t you say? and rasheed is 35 too! ray allen is injury prone and definitely not a top 20 or even 30 player anymore. rando also destroys your offense, he needs to learn how to shoot a three, he keeps on getting these gaudy numbers, but people don’t realize at what cost. He ruins the spacing for your offensive sets! Also come on, the spurs beating the lakers? we have 3 bigs they have 1, antonio mcdyess is old as they come and we all see what the lakers do to undersized big men, they make them pay (see lakers vs utah jazz). Plus, when is the last time you’ve seen the spurs 100 percent healthy…never? tim duncan is old, tony parker has been beat up too many times, and who knows about ginobili anymore. Richard jefferson is good and he will help them, but do you really think the spurs could beat the lakers 4 times before the lakers could be the spurs 4 times? no. the lakers if they keep lamar will win the finals fairly handily, seeing as the celtics have to deal with the cavs and magic, because we know they won’t get the number 1 seed. They are too old of a team to expend their energy in the regular season and Doc knows this. They will employ the same strategy as spurs have been in order to have their guys fresh by the time play offs come around. After two series of having to put up with shaq, dwight howard, rashard lewis, how fresh are kg and sheed going to be? Not too mention how are paul pierce and ray allen going to look after having to gaurd lebron, dwayne wade, and vince carter? face it, the celtics are old and even with rasheed wallace they are paper thin, because one of them WILL be injured come play off time.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sorry for my bias as well

i know my post is biased towards the lakers, but i felt that i had to be this far in their corner in order to pull this post towards neutrality.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

Why would a thread on a Celtics blog be biased towards the Celtics? That’s hard for me to comprehend too. It makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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just because you are a celtics fan doesnt mean you have to skew everything towards the celtics. I’m a lakers fan and yes i will admit our shortcomings. Sometimes we are too soft, sometimes kobe ball hogs, but in your guy’s eyes the celtics are perfect. kg is old admit it and accept it. paul pierce is not on top of his game and is quite slow. rando, despite his triple double average in the play offs was on the trading block because quite frankly, he isn’t that good and totally messes up your spacing. i can’t believe this guy rated rando so much higher then fisher. its not just about how they are as an individual, its how they fit into the system. Also, stop referencing the 2008 finals, that was two seasons ago! kg isn’t the same kg that bullied pau, and pau isn’t that same player as well. Andrew Bynum only marginally better then kendrick perkins? come on! if it weren’t for a few freakish injuries that were totally by chance, Bynum would be light years ahead of him. In what span of games has perkins ever averaged 20+ points. Don’t lie to yourselves and stop hyping up your old and aging team.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't

If you read through the thread you will see I have already made a post relevant to the issue. I am not going to rehash what I have already said. Read it and feel free to post a reply to it if you desire to.

I was just pointing out the obvious. The majority of stuff you are going to see on a Celtics blog will likely be skewed in the direction of the Celtics. If you want to read more stuff biased towards the Lakers or another team why don’t you go to another blog?

Until this most recent post you also come across as a straight homer. So what makes you any different to the originator of this thread? You come across as ignorant when you lump all fans together by writing things like “in your guys eyes…” If you wish to address me individually then when I have time I will reply in kind as long as you don’t come across as confrontational. I have better things to do than get in a childish debate, and I most certainly am smart enough to not attack an entire group of fans based on one or several peoples comments. You do understand that people are individuals don’t you?

Thus far you come across as completely and totally biased for your own team. You have downplayed the significance of every Celtic mentioned including mentioning the injury and age of KG while downplaying the perennial injury problems plaguing your own Andrew Bynum. How can anyone take you seriously when you try to belittle some of the best players in the league just because they don’t happen to wear the uniform of your favorite team? Perhaps Rondo was on the trading block because he has significant trade value? I don’t know for sure and neither do you. So quit trying to make yourself out to be an expert on the subject. Clearly you are not.

The only reason you can attempt to downplay the 2008 Finals is because your team was fortunate enough to have won it last season. But consider also this fact. Last year is over now too. Those results, then, are just as insignificant as the results of two years ago. It goes both ways. The past is the past, right?

If you want to tone it down a bit, and rationally discuss things instead of hurling insults, lumping everyone in a fan base together and look at things subjectively I’ll be happy to continue this discussion. But what I’ve read so far, leads me to think that is pointless to ask for. You appear to be just as, if not more so a Lakers homer than anybody on this thread is a Celtics homer. Give me a break.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry king coebra

I’m sorry, but you have to admit your post in response to mine was meant as somewhat as an insult which was in some ways childish as well. I like to go to many blogs and write and read. Thats why I am here. Also, Bynums injuries were random events. Kobe fell into his knee, or he stepped on lamar’s foot. These aren’t injuries like Kevin’s last year, which happened because he is getting older and his body isn’t holding up like it used to. Also i will say this again, what i say is true. read my post over again and tell me how it shows i am a homer? i’m stating facts here. Also every analyst and every team out there knows rando’s inability to shoot, whether he averages triple doubles or not is a huge weakness for the celtics. I am only downplaying some of your players because from what I’ve read of this post and the replies to it, shows that most of the people who replied are totally downplaying the lakers players. Yes, there is a possibility that your Boston team might be better then the lakers, but just barely if so. Yet the people on this post act as if there is no chance in the world the Lakers are even in the same class as the Celtics. Also yes last year is over now too, but its still closer then two years ago. and ‘tone it down a bit’? what? i didn’t know you can yell through typing? i am calm. take a second and reread my post like you told me to reread yours. besides maybe 1 or two statements the whole post is fairly valid. and on my assesment of kendrick perkins vs andrew bynum, ask yourself which teams in the league would pick perkins over bynum?

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sorry, but you have to admit your post in response to mine was meant as somewhat as an insult which was in some ways childish as well.

If being obvious is childish then, yes, I’m guilty. You came to a Celtics thread expecting what? To find threads about how incredibly dominant the Lakers franchise is? OR how fortunate the Celtics should feel that they managed to defeat the mighty Lakers two years ago? Give me a break and be honest. You came here to blow your own horn and rub in the fact your team won last season. It’s obvious to everyone else, why can’t you admit it?

Also, Bynums injuries were random events. Kobe fell into his knee, or he stepped on lamar’s foot. These aren’t injuries like Kevin’s last year, which happened because he is getting older and his body isn’t holding up like it used to.

Both players injuries occurred outside of the norm. Justifying your players while dismsising KGs is ridiculous and based on nothing more than your own biased opionion. Again, be honest. Who has proven to be more durable during their career? KG or AB? Age is irrelevant as the younger player has proven to be far more injury prone than his future HOF counterpart.

Also i will say this again, what i say is true. read my post over again and tell me how it shows i am a homer? i’m stating facts here.

No. You are a homer, admittedly so. You are also stating opinions which are quite different from facts.

Also every analyst and every team out there knows rando’s inability to shoot, whether he averages triple doubles or not is a huge weakness for the celtics.

Nobody claimed Rondo’s strength was his shooting. His strength is his speed, ball handling, defense, ability to penetrate and create shots for others and assist to turnover ratio. Not to mention his youth and the fact he has improved drmatically each of the past two seasons. The fact he averaged triple doubles in the POs on the biggest stage in the NBA on a team decimated by injuries is not a weakness. It shows he was able to step up his play when his team need him the most. Your argument is ridiculous. Seriously.

I am only downplaying some of your players because from what I’ve read of this post and the replies to it, shows that most of the people who replied are totally downplaying the lakers players. Yes, there is a possibility that your Boston team might be better then the lakers, but just barely if so. Yet the people on this post act as if there is no chance in the world the Lakers are even in the same class as the Celtics.

I am not “every Celtic fan” if you wish to have a discussion with somebody else then don’t hit reply to one of my posts. If you keep bringing the sentiments of others into our discussion I am done wasting my time with you

You also just stated there is a possibility the Celtics could be better. Congratulations on your first foray into reality. There may be hope for you yet.

Also yes last year is over now too, but its still closer then two years ago.

Both seasons are over. Both teams will be changed. The past is the past. Leave it at that.

and ‘tone it down a bit’? what? i didn’t know you can yell through typing? i am calm. take a second and reread my post like you told me to reread yours. besides maybe 1 or two statements the whole post is fairly valid.

Those inaccurate overzealous statements are the reason I cannot take your posts seriously. You continue lumping everyone into one big mythical “superfan”. It’s hard for me to read past that nonsense and I’m certainly not going to reread that garbage because it’s a waste of my time.

and on my assesment of kendrick perkins vs andrew bynum, ask yourself which teams in the league would pick perkins over bynum?I

I guess that depends on whether or not you want a consistent player who improves every year in the league or someone who has proven unreliable in his ability to stay healthy and contribute to his team. You clearly likely Bynum more than you like Perkins – because he’s on the Lakers roster. I’d probably agree if he’d have shown the ability to stay on the court. But he hasn’t. He’s proven that he is injury prone and missed significant playing time the past two years while Perkins has been a fixture in the lineup and significantly improved his play. Would I take a healthy injury free Bynum over a healthy Perkins. Absolutely. But, that’s not the case. Bynum hasn’t proven he can make it through the grind of an NBA season yet and Perkins has. Right now I take the guy who has proven he can stay on the floor, play though injury and improve his game significantly every year he has been in the league. I don’t have to ask myself that question. I already have and I’ll take the guy who is more reliable.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes very interesting!

thats it? no good argument? just pointing out that i pointed out that this was a biased post? i mean green20 can’t even get the ages right? i thought boston fans were educated? i’m just saying this guy who posted the celtics as being wayyy better then the lakers has no real idea of what he is talking about. all 29 GMs in the league feel the lakers with lamar odom are practically unbeatable, and even without odom they are still the best in the west. The celtics are old and falling apart, if you don’t win it this year its over. The lakers (because we built young and not old) have at least a 3-4 more good years. Also, if the magic don’t get you, the cavs will :). Have fun trying to pull shaq out of the key on defense when both KG and Rasheed are in foul trouble because Shaq and lebron both rackin up the fouls on your aging big men is going to be huge. Also who do you have who can gaurd shaq one on one? you will have to double! even perkins is too small. Its funny that at his old age he can still command a double team.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again?

i thought boston fans were educated?

Get a clue. Address the individual whose post you have a problem with instead of lumping everybody together. It’s ridiculous.

How do you know what all 29 GMs feel? You don’t you are making an assumption based on your personal opinions.

The Celtics are an older team but what proof do you have that they are falling apart? KGs injury? Hmmm, how old is Bynum? Also, if age is such an issue for the C’s then how come Shaq is going to come in and just dominate. Did he turn back the clock or something?

You make some interesting points and then in the very same post contradict yourself. You’re destroying your own arguments and you don’t even realize it. It’s truly laughable.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes...again. and sorry

29 gms…reported by marc stein. Shaq is still able to compete because of his size. Shaq doesn’t rely on athletcism to score or rebound. He just takes up so much room that it doesnt really matter. KG on the other hand relies heavily on his athleticism? am i correct? Shaq has gotten older but look he still averaged around 16 points and 9 boards and had the highest field goal percentage in the league. and i have proof that they are falling apart because doc rivers and other members of the celtics already are talking abou how they have to reduce their minutes. why would they have to reduce their minutes other then the reason that they are getting older and falling apart. Ray allen played on two bum ankles during their championship run. Paul Pierce had to play huge amounts of minutes this year and it showed in the play offs (he couldn’t get much done). KG got hurt for the whole season. Does this not mean anything to you? and right now i am merely stating facts. How is this homerism? also i will admit i got a bit heated in my last post about the ‘i thought boston fans were educated.’ i apologize for that, i really do. that was taking a bit far. I just am so used to catching a lot of flak from boston fans so sometimes i take it too far myself.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

29 gms…reported by marc stein.

OK – if Marc Stein says so it must be true. I guess everybody admits they are playing for second place. Congratulations on next year’s championship.

Shaq is still able to compete because of his size. Shaq doesn’t rely on athletcism to score or rebound. He just takes up so much room that it doesnt really matter. KG on the other hand relies heavily on his athleticism? am i correct? Shaq has gotten older but look he still averaged around 16 points and 9 boards and had the highest field goal percentage in the league.

Shaq is older than KG so I guess that means he is injury prone. Therefore I don’t even have to worry about him. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Garnett, in all likelihood will not be facing Shaq on a regular basis. That job will fall to Perkins. Perkins strength is his defense. He has more than held his own against Dwight Howard and I don’t see any reason to think he can’t do the same against Shaq. So you argument about KG and Shaq is irrelevant.

Shaq dunks the ball alot. Of course his FG % is going to be good. Perk fared well against Howard. There is nothing to suggest he won’t have similar success against O’Neal. When Wallace replaces Perkins, Shaq’s size will be nearly meaningless on the defensive end. He won’t be able to play under the basket. In both cases, Garnett will likely be right behind them with his league best team help defense.

And, how does Shaq have anything to do with the C’s v LA discussion? Get back on track. If you want to compare the C’s and the Cav’s then start a new thread.

and i have proof that they are falling apart because doc rivers and other members of the celtics already are talking abou how they have to reduce their minutes. why would they have to reduce their minutes other then the reason that they are getting older and falling apart. Ray allen played on two bum ankles during their championship run. Paul Pierce had to play huge amounts of minutes this year and it showed in the play offs (he couldn’t get much done). KG got hurt for the whole season. Does this not mean anything to you?

The Celtics were decimated by injuries last season. KG, Leon Powe, Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine all missed significant playing time at the same time. The Celtics bench was short because the rookies Giddens and Walker didn’t develop as fast as was hoped, and players like Moore and Marbury were new to the team and quite frankly junk. The Celtics found themselves in a tight race with the Magic (and Cavs – for most of the season) for home court advantage. Because of all these factors, the starters were required to play maximum minutes and the result of that finally caught up with them, albeit, barely during the Orlando series. The fact they wore down was directly related to the fact that they had absolutely no bench to speak of late last season. Not, in my opinion, because they were old.

and right now i am merely stating facts. How is this homerism?

It is factual that Doc stated he wants his starters to play less minutes. Of course you’d have a hard time finding a coach who doesn’t want his starters to do the same. It proves nothing. You know you’re a homer. That should be the end of that discussion.

also i will admit i got a bit heated in my last post about the ‘i thought boston fans were educated.’ i apologize for that, i really do. that was taking a bit far. I just am so used to catching a lot of flak from boston fans so sometimes i take it too far myself.

Thank you. Your apology is accepted. I understand being frustrated by others comments. You can’t control what others say so why even try? Later.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah sorry again

my bad again. sorry.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 24, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No problem

Don’t sweat it.

by King Coebra on Jul 24, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's getting ages messed up even about being educated.

You come back and read this June 2010. Then you can tell me whatever you want. I sound stupid to you on how I rate them,but you sound not educated to me. King Coebra is making alot more sense to me then your comments. He’s getting his point across. Fisher is old to me my friend.Rondo is justified being ranked higher at this point. I could have detailed this a lot more when I posted it,but I have other things to worry about in life. On rating the centers. Bynum got the higher rating,but Perkins gets the edge. Why? King Coebra hit that point. Perkins plays hurt,and has shown to play full NBA seasons. I think all of us on the blogs think we know the most,and our teams we cheer for are the best. I’m biased? Why? It’s not like the Celtics won 42 games last year. They just won the championship the year before,and had a good 62 win season,and had a injury ridden team. They added some depth to the bench,and the starting five will be back.This age thing is really over rated. Jordan,and Stockton,and Malone battled for a championship two years in a row at the ages of 35 for Jordan,and Malone 35,Stockton 36. There going to be the favorites in the East. Not for everyone,but for the majority. That’s why your on this blog right now right? Why? Because you want to follow the Celtics. Because you fill they can contend with beating the Lakers. I agree the Lakers are the favorites to win it all,but every team who just won the title is picked to win the next season.

by green20 on Jul 24, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

also concerning chemsitry

so you think artest is going to cause problems for the lakers? kobe and phil (who has coached DENNIS RODMAN of call people) will keep him inline. Also, Ron artest hasn’t done anything but help lead his recent teams to surprising post seasons, (brought the rockets out of the 1st round and took the lakers to 7 games, almost beat the spurs along with another emotional question mark bonzi wells).

i would almost dare to say the celtics will have a tougher time with rasheed, because 1. he is so lax its annoying (do you think garnett will tolerate this?) 2. he is easily just as combustible as ron artest.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sheed compared to rodman? artest?

artest had a fight with the fans. he did’nt want any of big ben so he picked on a fan. it wasnt even the guy who threw the drink. it was someone else and took out his anger on the smaller guy.
Rodman was a cross dresser who can catch rebounds like they were womens lingerie. he was a distraction that was easily defused by winning titles and a guy named jordan.
Sheed is not comparable to either player. its not even the same ballpark.

artest has behaved lately but its not his attitude that will present a problem for the lakers. its the matchups. sheed just made the celtics better than they were in 08. the year they beat the lakers.

by celtsgofor8in on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

artest doesn't cause problems ON the court, off the court maybe.

when has artest caused team chemistry problems? when in his career has been a problem ON the court, maybe his years on the bulls? i see a bigger problem happening between kg and sheed rather then artest and kobe. Kobe and Artest respect each other because they both bring it every night of the week. They have the same mindset. I feel like Sheed and KG will have more problems because Sheed is notorious for taking games and even whole parts of the season off, will this annoy garnett? i think so? Also match up wise we have two guys who can gaurd allen and pierce two guys who can guard garnett (gasols defense has improved, look how he handled dwight howard) and a bigger man in the middle with 6 fouls to give, even if he doesn’t pan out to be a star in Bynum. We swept the Celtics in the regular season, and you had Garnett both games so don’t blame this on his injury, we won without bynum in boston while shooting horribly from the free throw line. Like I said, does this mean nothing to you? yes it was in the past but is it fair to assume that what happened this last season is more relevant then what happened 2 seasons ago? the fact is, this is a different lakers team then you saw two years ago, they’ve grown up since those finals, and its fair to assume they will grow even more as a team after this last season.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont know if they are better then they were in 08

in 08 they had adequate back ups at the point gaurd position (sam cassell), the wing (james posey), and center/power forward (pj brown). now they have an adequate back up at the center/power forward spot only. factor in how rando has matured and gotten better, i would say this team is about the same.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lakers celtics finals

i really hope the 2 teams play each other in the finals. lakers lost once already and yet continue to claim they couldve won if…..they lost. pretty badly and i dont need to remind you of the score. or did all laker fans turn off the tv after halftime. the lakers lost to the celtics. lakers are defending champs but they did it against orlando. celtics lakers matchup favor the celtics. it was proven then and this year looks like a better team. 07-08 was posey 09-10 its sheed. sheed is a much bettter than posey. kobe had problems against them in 08 and his problems are about to get bigger.

bottom line. celtics beat lakers 4-2 finals….done.

by celtsgofor8in on Jul 24, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What's getting ages messed up even about being educated. Lakersnic0824

You come back and read this June 2010. Then you can tell me whatever you want. I sound stupid to you on how I rate them,but you sound not educated to me. King Coebra is making alot more sense to me then your comments. He’s getting his point across. Fisher is old to me my friend.Rondo is justified being ranked higher at this point. I could have detailed this a lot more when I posted it,but I have other things to worry about in life. On rating the centers. Bynum got the higher rating,but Perkins gets the edge. Why? King Coebra hit that point. Perkins plays hurt,and has shown to play full NBA seasons. I think all of us on the blogs think we know the most,and our teams we cheer for are the best. I’m biased? Why? It’s not like the Celtics won 42 games last year. They just won the championship the year before,and had a good 62 win season,and had a injury ridden team. They added some depth to the bench,and the starting five will be back.This age thing is really over rated. Jordan,and Stockton,and Malone battled for a championship two years in a row at the ages of 35 for Jordan,and Malone 35,Stockton 36. There going to be the favorites in the East. Not for everyone,but for the majority. That’s why your on this blog right now right? Why? Because you want to follow the Celtics. Because you fill they can contend with beating the Lakers. I agree the Lakers are the favorites to win it all,but every team who just won the title is picked to win the next seaso

by green20 on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

age

fisher is old to you, but garnett, ray allen and paul pierce aren’t? please explain.

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your calling the big 3 old,but you seem not to mention that Fisher is older than the big 3.

Fisher is going to be 35,but you don’t point that out.

by green20 on Jul 24, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok fisher is older than the big 3

yes he’s older, but i’m asking if you consider the big three to be older?

by lakersnic0824 on Jul 24, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I already told you who is older. In my last response.

Fisher is going to be 35 in the season,and the big 3 so you know in detail Paul will be 32 in the season,and Garnett will be 33,and Ray Allen 34.

by green20 on Jul 24, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

The big three will each be one year older next year then they were last year. They will also all be two years older than they were the season they won the title. Does that answer your question?

Joking aside, I think the question you are trying to ask is not “Are the Big Three older?” but “Are the Big Three going to be as effective this coming season?” I’m sure most here believe they will be, especially if they can get bigger contributions and more minutes from their bench and stay relatively injury free. However, If the same situation reoccurs next season with regards to numerous injuries all coming at the same time, then the answer will likely be no. Of course, nobody knows for sure the definitive answer to those questions so any answers are purely speculative in nature.

by King Coebra on Jul 24, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs