Try Ty Lue?
Chris Mannix answers the mail:
With Big Baby [Glen Davis] back and the likely addition of Marquis Daniels, the Celtics' most glaring need is a backup point guard. Do you agree and who fits the bill?
-- @brilliantcornerI completely agree. The Celtics addressed nearly every need they had this offseason. They got a versatile big man (Rasheed Wallace) who can fill in at both power forward and center, they are about to add a nice wing player (Daniels) who should be able to give Paul Pierce and Ray Allen a few extra minutes of rest per game, and they solidified their bench with Shelden Williams and the returning Davis.
An extra point guard is a luxury, but one a championship-contending team such as the Celtics should try to get. Tyronn Lue is at the top of my list. Lue had a tough year playing with Milwaukee and Orlando last season. But the 32-year-old Lue is well liked by his teammates and comfortable in a backup role. Bobby Jackson and Blake Ahearn are two other guys I would look into before training camp.
And no, Stephon Marbury is not an option.
That plan works for me. Ty Lue won't knock anyone's socks off, but at least he's a point guard with NBA experience. He'd be a nice, cheap, backup option that you could plug into the lineup if Rondo goes down for a week or so with an ankle sprain. Jackson is another name that's been tossed around on this site quite a bit. I'll have to look up Ahearn though.
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Didn't he have recent issues?
And past ones getting nasty with fans?
by Staubach on Aug 13, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why he doesn't like Marbury
But likes Lue I’ll never know. At least the offense flowed better through Marbury, even if he himself couldn’t put up a shot.
But hey, has long as the Celtics get someone, I suppose I’ll be satisfied regardless.
by Tai on Aug 12, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Something about Marbury
Have nothing personally against him, but his teams never seem to succeed
by Staubach on Aug 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you ignored my post
About how our offense flowed better through Marbury, even if he himself couldn’t put up a shot. Clearly that’ll have it’s limitations in itself, but he did not make the team self-destruct by any means. If the Celtics sign him and he’s able to get his shot back, combine that with being able to slash into the key, our 2nd bench could be loaded.
To me, it’s him, Bobby Jackson, or Jason Williams. We already have Hudson, and he’ll probably try his best to compete for the backup PG role. But, no one else is worth taking/trying out before the season starts.
But, I think Marbury could improve that shot and be effective again. He doesn’t need to be that 20-?-8 guy, not with guys like House, Wallace, BBD, and even Scal off our bench.
by Tai on Aug 13, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, God, no, no, and NO!
I like Mannix, but I’m glad he ain’t running the Cs.
We can ‘get by’ with House/Daniels/TA/ and possibly Hudson if he’s signed. Backup PG just isn’t a huge priority right now. Like the last 2 years, I suspect Danny will wait until midseason to fortify the backup point guard position.
If Danny does act on getting a ‘real’ point guard, it’ll be for someone with actual talent, not the scrubs hypothesized by Mannix. Guys like Marbury, Tinsley, Jason Williams, possibly even Iverson (who’s not a point guard, I know).
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
N-NO-N-NO-NO
Why do people keep brining up his name . The only thing Lue can do is bring the ball up court. He can’t guard anyone. He kill’s the offensive flow. The rookie Hudson is better than Lue
by tyquinton on Aug 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Bobby Jackson
I loved Bobby Jackson’s game during his days in Sacramento. He’s a versitile passer with great court awareness, he spreads the court out with his 3 pt range, plus he can
push the offense in the fast break.
Definately not Stephon Marbury, he’s no longer an option in my opinion for the Celtics.
by OCsWestCeltic on Aug 12, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah right
Lue are you nuts? you need a backup pg to come in and change the pace, play solid d, and not turn the ball over. out of those three the only thing lue can do is handle the ball. He plays no d what so ever mainly because of his size he cant guard the big point guards and to old to guard the young quick ones, he cant change the pace at all because for one he is not someone that drives to the hole or push a fast break. Lue hasnt been jack since his one solid season as a laker. I would rather bring ainge out of the front office then lue on our bench.
by juice104 on Aug 12, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ty Lue couldnt even break the rotation on a PG desperate Magic team last year
Theres probably a reason for that.
by Marqui on Aug 12, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind Lue. I would just be concerend with what type of role they give him. If he’s strictly our primary back-up, I don’t want him.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 12, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Lue is probably just as good as the other names mentioned
If any see the floor much we’ll be in trouble though.
by Fafnir on Aug 12, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not Looney enough to bring in Lue
He was horrible with the Lakers and has bounced around to every team he’s
played for, never really finding a good roll for himself.
Even if he’s KG’s buddy from Malibu, I wouldn’t want him on the Celtics.
I know Bobby Jackson would be a better fit for us.
by OCsWestCeltic on Aug 12, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know so little about Lue these days. When was the last time he got any NBA minutes?
by BWC on Aug 12, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why is brevin knight not considered.. hes an assist machine or used to be?
by MS12 on Aug 12, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider Knight
Of the vet min guys, he can definitely run an offense.
Lue seems like he’s been through for a while. I too, liked Bobby Jackson back in the day, like in 2000, when the Kings were good and battling the Lakers. That’s 9 years ago. Does he have any game left?
by Mencius on Aug 12, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knight could be a chemistry killer
Best would be a midseason trade
by Staubach on Aug 13, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’d rather see this spot filled before feb. this year – i don’t think that’s worked out well the last 2 years, although obviously they overcame it in 08.
by cons on Aug 12, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhhhh!
Lue is not an option.
Whoever is bumping him needs to stop.
But its irrelevant.
Likely, they will look at Troy Hudson.
If they like him he will be the back up pg. Which is why Pruitt was released.
However, if they are not satisfied with his ability to run the 2nd team
Marbury will be picked up.
Say what you will, about Starbury, but he plays D and he knows how to find his players
in the offensive sets. Don’t hate him because he’s on TV. heh
by ThaPreacher on Aug 12, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marbury could be an excellent backup PG
Thinking he’ll make it through an entire season without a mental meltdown is a risk though. If he could, I think he’d play so much better this year than he did last year.
Still, after his summer performance on the intertubes, definitely gives you pause.
by Mencius on Aug 12, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One difference this year compared to the previous two
We’re stacked up front now, so we don’t have to go through the season thinking about guys getting bought out. With Daniels, we’ve got a solid swing backup (though I’d still like a bigger backup 3). This year, we’ve got Scal and TA’s expirings to work with to fix any holes we have. That’s a huge option we didn’t have the last couple of years. Even if Danny doesn’t address the backup PG before the season, I think it’s close to a stone cold lock that he’ll do so before the trade deadline. We’ll have our best bench of the last 3 years easily.
by Mencius on Aug 12, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ty Lue can’t crack the Celtics rotation … and I’d rather have Gabe Pruitt as my third string PG, at least Pruitt can play some defense.
by Who on Aug 12, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way i'd take lue over bobby jackson
jackson’s was and still is the better player.
by ssspence on Aug 12, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is sayin no marbury as hes not an option at all or he jus personally wuldnt want marbury? casue hes got way more upside than any of those scrubs who the hell is blake ahearn
by celtics94 on Aug 12, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I say No. But whatever DA gets I guess I have to deal with it.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
by wild-a on Aug 12, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoever.
But leaving the roster as is would be unacceptable. I don’t care who is brought in so long as he can handle the ball on an NBA level. Who knows if Hudson can do that? Tony Allen cannot do that, and House and Daniels need to be spelling Ray and Pierce.
The biggest function of this spot is to eat up minutes and preserve Rondo’s burst for the playoffs – which didn’t happen last year. I would be satisfied with Lue, Jackson, and likely others. This team can make up for 10-12 mpg of subpar PG play in the reg. season. They can’t make up for a drained/exhausted backcourt in the playoffs.
by kpaticus on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These used up veteran journeyman guards...
Aren`t worth the Federal Minimum Wage…let alone the NBA veteran minimum!
Might as well give the “rock” to Lester Hudson.
He`ll be “Rock Hudson”!
by Title 18 on Aug 12, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Knight...
I never really thought about him, but he makes the most sense (out of the 3 listed). He definitely has very strong PG skills. People are talking about his Sac days, but I am pretty sure he tore it up in Charlotte, too…I am sure he is past his prime, but he definitely has the ‘instinct’…
by jambr380 on Aug 12, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake Ahearn?
WTH? Is the Spurs guy who played like 3 games last year? No clue?
Knight is supposedly a terrible locker room guy. i’d stay away. Bobby JAckson? If he can give you 10-15 a night, do it Danny!!
by BWC on Aug 12, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Like Any of the Choices
So I’m not voting.
by Brickowski on Aug 12, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blake Ahern
I really like this kid. He tore it up in the D-league the last couple years and is absolutely an NBA talent, he just needs a shot with a team.
Mark Deeks from Bulls Confidential gives you a quick idea of who he is:
Blake Ahearn – for the last two years, Blake Ahearn has been one of the best players in the D-League. For example, last year with the Dakota Wizards, Ahearn averaged 22.7 points and 5.1 assists per game, on a frankly ridiculous 67% true shooting percentage. All this coming as a 6’2 guard. Ahearn has already had stints with the Miami Heat, Minnesota Timberwolves and San Antonio Spurs, and he’ll continue to get looks, because the league always needs shooters. The Bulls are no exception.
In the second unit, it would be nice to have a PG to space the floor for Daniels to work. With sheed, baby, eddie, and ahern there will be no shortage of shooters on the second unit. He just needs a shot and we can give him it.
by Jirimania on Aug 12, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hudson, and marbury least money most upside u kno wut ur gonna get from all the other veterans, which isnt much. i think hudson or marbury culd play a bigger role on this team if needed but the other no way.
by celtics94 on Aug 12, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Li'l Bow-Wow
dude had pigtails in Minnesota
he’s like a team mascot
definitely will down my Chi if he’s in my sight line
by KJR on Aug 12, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Hudson
Age will play a big factor after a couple of years. I say sign Hudson and have him be Rondo’s backup. Give him minutes to gain experience. There is plenty of talented players on the team whom Hudson can learn from and gain advice. Yes he’s a rookie and yea he might have defensive problems, but look at the players coming off the bench who could play along side him: Wallace( we all know what he’s capable of), Williams (big guy that was brought in for his defensive capabilities), Daniels (can play offense and defense), Davis (we know what he can do), and House ( 2-way player). Walker will be alright with 3 min. tops. With a “defense first” scheme, Hudson will learn quickly.
by cafua's b's on Aug 13, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Havn't posted on here since it was Celticsblog.net, but....
Blake Ahearn? Is that a joke?? I guess i would be ok with Lue, not thrilled considering he doesn’t seem to bring anything to the table besides the fact that he is techinally a PG….Bobby Jackson is not a PG in my eyes, he’s more of an undersized SG duplicating House’s role. Plus he’s old, and would get burned on the Defensive end.
I also don’t understand what this new infatuation with White Chocolate is. He seemed to be washed up even when he won with the Heat 4 years ago. Marbury at least seems like he still has something to prove & is in better shape with more talent than any of the players listed above.
This is the only team in the league that can put him in his place, even to the point to where he looked shy. I would sign Marbury and cut him by the trade deadline if he didn’t work out. If they Can’t sign Marbury i’d rather just role the dice with Hudson.
by truthhurts34 on Aug 13, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hudson is better
I believe that Hudson is better than these 3 guys. He is more experienced than other younger rookies and showed in summer-league that he can fill the hole. I hope he come back at the right time and make the roster for the backup-PG job ^_°
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
by greenmech on Aug 13, 2009 3:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that Hudson [b]backed up[/b] GABE FRICKIN’ PRUITT in [b]summer league[/b]? We’re talking about a legit backup for Rondo on a championship team.
by P2 on Aug 13, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who backed up rondo/house
in 2008? The year the C’s won the championship?
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Aug 13, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie House...
but Doc was adamant that a backup PG was needed and they went out and got Sam Cassell
same with last year and Marbury
why go through that again?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Aug 13, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed but I don't think
adding someone to add someone is the answer either. Lue and House aren’t going to work together, IMO. But if Danny wants to add depth in case of injuries I say why not.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Aug 13, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh yeah after the all star break
where he proved he had nothing and was sent back to bench to be never seen from again. So they are fine with what they have, IMO.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Aug 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was all for the Celtics picking up Marbury last season, and still think he should come back. Even though he couldn’t put up a shot, due to his lack of playing, he still knew how to run and offense. Just by remembering some of his passing, I know these other guards don’t have the same skill.
Tyronn Lue? Are you kidding me? I don’t know why this name keeps coming up.
Bobby Jackson is good, but he is already a veteran, and a not so fantastic one. His stats show he’s not much of a passer.
Jason Williams would be nice, but I wonder if the C’s have the money to get him.
by braz on Aug 13, 2009 6:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Typo: “…he still knew how to run AN offense.”
by braz on Aug 13, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any use for Tryrone Lue
on Championship caliber team. I guess if Ainge wants to waste a roster spot on someone who will never play it’s cool but, I would leave the spot open. Although it would kind of funny seeing a house/lue guard tandem try to play defense.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Aug 13, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Take em
"My features are that of a god, its not a facade these rappers wanna be NaS"- Nasir Jones QB's Finest
Kristin Kreuk is teh love.
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
by Wasabi Steak on Aug 13, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Juice's Idea
I like Juice’s idea about bringing Ainge back from the front office, rather then Lue. However, if I had my druthers, I think we’d be better bringing Bird back. With Bird, we wouldn’t need a PG.
But (as they say in TV commercials) WAIT! I think McHale is currently out of work and available…and his 3 point shot was very good the last two years!
by Dipper on Aug 13, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
Frankenstein really had that 3 going his last few years, haha
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Aug 13, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Option
Mike Taylor, who played fairly well for the Clips last year.
I would also keep an eye on guys who might get cut or who might be available in a trade, e.g. Roko Leni Ukic, who has a real feel for the game.
I’m not a fan of Lue, Jason Hart or any of the other available veterans. I likd Kevin Ollie, but he signed with OK City. I don’t think Bobby Jackson has anything left, but if he does, I guess he would be my first choice among the veterans if he’s willing to play for the minimum.
by Brickowski on Aug 13, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is about 1000 years old and is still far better than Lue
Saw him take over a game last year. Unless he is a known jerk or something I would think he is pretty ideal
by wahz on Aug 13, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wishing Pruitt Back anyone???
wishing Pruitt Back anyone???
From what I see out there, the PG’s are soft. Pruitt is not the best ball handler but at least he plays some defense at times
Never thought I would say what I just said
by Staubach on Aug 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was always for Pruitt over any of the options I had heard.
Pruitt was a good enough ball handler, a rather good man defender, and tall enough to handle the better shooting guards (which would’ve allowed the Celtics to utilize Eddie House). But if Marquis Daniels can do all that and more, as Ainge seems to think, then I’d be even happier to have him run the second unit.
It may be wishful thinking, but I’d love to see the Celtics punishing other teams with some incredibly long lineups. Hopefully, Daniels can be a big part of that, and hopefully, they can start working on that from the get go.
by no kidding on Aug 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion cutting Pruitt was a mistake. Let’s see what Ainge does with the roster spot though.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Even if Hudson is put on the 15-man roster, I’d like to think DA wants Daniels trying to run the offense too. Again, with shooters like House, BBD, and Wallace with him, he has so much room to drive in and make some shots. You keep saying we need someone to backup Pierce, when Daniels is doing just that, while House would be spelling Rondo. The difference is, House won’t be handling the ball, Daniels will. We’ve already agreed to the fact that Doc Rivers will rarely play 5 bench players, so Daniels, House, BBD and Wallace with a starter should be ok.
by Tai on Aug 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-League to start anyway
If they do sign Hudson, he will be honing his PG skills in Maine.
They can still trade even with a 15 man roster
by Staubach on Aug 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen Iverson would be my choice if he would come to Boston.
by Celts17Pride on Aug 13, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the REAL reason to sign ty lue
because signing sam cassell, robert swift and now tyronn lue completes the weirdest looking NBA player trifecta!
by hooray on Aug 13, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Try Ty Lue? The Fan’s court has done that and the verdict is already out: He is guilty of can’t play good defense.
by 33-32-00 on Aug 13, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy.
I’m finding it easy to say NO to guys like Lue and Troy Hudson (ask any MN fan) than it is to pin a YES on anyone.
I admittedly don’t know much about Ahern, Knight, or Taylor so am leaning toward giving draft pick Hudson a shot since it sounds like he can get the ball upcourt and distribute – not necessarily scoring. Like with Rondo, I’m looking for those same attributes in case he needs (God forbid) to be plugged into the starting lineup in case of emergency. If a vet is required than Marbury will do.
Speaking of crazy, how’s this for an idea?… Instead of bringing on a point guard, go big at the point with Daniels and then try to pick up a strong Pierce-sub at the 3?
by SotaPop on Aug 13, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
… let’s see, a strong Pierce-sub at the 3… you mean, someone like Giddens or Walker?
by no kidding on Aug 13, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping someone would bite...
Yeah, I’m all for it and would love to see them actually hit the court this year. I hope both of them impress the hell out of Doc somehow in camp or pre-season.
Like others have said, we need to keep Pierce full of energy for the post-season too and just playing Daniels at the backup 3 seems a waste of his versatility. Doc could really mix an match players to create some advantages if he moves Daniels (& House) around is able to put some trust in Walker & Giddens.
Can I buy my League Pass yet or what?! Let’s stop the music and every team starts playing NOW with whoever they have! :-)
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