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Lineups and rotation for next year


With the addition of so many parts and the removal of others, it is sometimes tough to imagine how the team fits together until you see them in the lineups that they will play with during the season.  I think that looking at the additions in terms of who they'll play with and when will give a good idea of how much the team has improved and the places we may still need help.  

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I made the assumption that we will not add a backup PG.  12 active spots, 3 extra spots for the young guys.  I imagine we might see some movement to get some of these young guys on the active squad. We will see

Roster : KG, PP, Ray, Rondo, Perk, Sheed, Daniels, House, Baby, Scal, Williams, TA

Leftover: Gidden, Walker, Hudson,

 

Starting Lineup

Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, Perk

Last year: same 

2008: Same

 

Tried and true, our 2008 championship starting lineup.  I anticipate that this will be the main lineup for the entire year.  Outside of injury, I don’t expect any of our additions to mess with this good thing.  I think this team is always strong starting with this group especially with the development of Rondo and Perk. The new Big 3 may have slipped, but both Rondo and Perk are much better

 

KG Insurance Lineup

Rondo, Ray, PP, Sheed, Perk

Last year:  Rondo, Ray, PP, Baby/Powe, Perk 

2008- Rondo, Ray, PP, Scal, Perk

 

In case KG doesn’t come back at full strength, or if his minutes are much more limited, I believe Sheed pluggin in at the 4 is the most likely starting group.  This is a group with championship talent.  Sheed fills in for KG nicely in his length, offensive game, and defense.  We don’t lose nearly as much as we had in previous years when KG hit the pine. Expect to see this lineup after 8 minutes in the first quarter.

 

First backup lineup

House, Daniels, PP, Sheed, Baby

Last year:  Marbury, House, PP, Baby, Powe/Scal  

2008- House, PP, Posey, Leon, PJ Brown

 

A few minutes later, out come Ray, Rondo and Perk.  PP stays on for scoring punch.  Daniels and house bring up the ball.  Again, this lineup is much improved from last year.  I think Daniels give them a slasher that TA was always hoped to be.  This lineup can shoot pretty well too, with House and Sheed from deep, Baby from mid range, and PP doing his thing.  I like the idea of a running the 1-3 pick and roll with house and PP.  I also like the idea of PP and Sheed two man game.  Most importantly, with Sheed on the floor, I think we have the shot blocker we didn’t have on the bench last year.  When Perk was out, we had no inside presence, unlike when PJ came in 08.  Sheed should solidify the defense of this second unit, which in turn, should make the celts a better team.

 

Second backup lineup

House, Ray, Daniels, KG, Baby

Last Year: Marbury, House, Ray, Powe, Perk

2008- House/Cassel, Ray, Pose, KG, PJ

 

PP gets some rest, and Daniels shifts over to SF.  KG back in, keeps up the intensity and brings the shot blocking that was missing when Perk was out last year.  Sheed could be here for baby depending on matchups. We could also have Perk in here too. This is a critical lineup to get PP some rest.  Pose, a true three,  always played the well enough to get Paul his needed rest.  I hope Daniels can fill that spot at the 3.

 

Crunch time lineup

Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, Sheed

Last Year:  Rondo, Ray, PP, Baby, Perk

2008: House, Ray, PP, Pose, KG

 

This will be a delicate task for Doc and I hope he doesn’t screw it up.  Perk plays great D and was the anchor last year.  But does he play in crunch time?  This crunch time lineup gives them more shooting and perhaps more offensive talent without a huge sacrifice at the defensive end.  I’d love to see either KG or Sheed operating on the block.  With both in there, both can’t rove the perimeter, right? We lose a little with Perk’s toughness but it also opens up the lane for driving on offense, but doesn’t take away from us on defense.

 

Mountain lineup

Ray, PP, Sheed, KG, Perk

Last year: N/A

2008: N/A

 

It was mentioned in an article that we could send out a huge lineup with our big front court.  It means one of Rondo, Ray, PP is not on the court, which might be interesting, but not in late game or crunch time.  With KG’s knee, I’m not sure if we see this much, unless he’s back all the way and able to guard the 3.  I’m not sure Sheed can guard a 3.  We’ll see.  Again an interesting lineup for stretches.   Allows us to match the Lakers Odom, Gasol, Bynum lineup if we wanted.

 

Go Small lineup

Rondo, Ray, PP, Daniels, KG

Last year: Rondo, Ray, TA, PP, Perk

2008: House, Ray, PP, Pose, KG

 

The best lineup from the 2008 champs was this lineup with Posey on the floor.  I’m not sure that this group can necessarily resurrect that group.  Daniels/Pierce at the 4 is tougher than playing posey there.  But, if teams go small, I think this group is better than having TA out there like last year.  House for Rondo would also give us more shooting if we needed it.

 

 

Go real small lineup

Rondo, Ray, PP, Daniels, Scal

Last Year: Rondo, House, Ray, PP, Scal

2008: Don’t’ remember

 

Again, I don’t seen any situation where one of the combo of  Perk, Sheed, and KG are not in the game.  Maybe in a set play position, we might see this lineup.

 

Shooting lineup

House, Ray, PP, KG, Sheed

Last Year:  House, Ray, PP, Baby, Scal

2008: House, Ray, PP, Pose, KG

 

This might also be an important lineup.  With 4 guys spreading the floor, this is much more like the small lineup that we had in 08 with Posey.  4 guys shooting the 3 and KG roving the paint.  I think this lineup gets some minutes, especially come playoff time.

 

3 point shooting lineup

House, Ray, PP, Scal, Sheed

Last Year: House, Marbury, PP, Scal, Perk

2008: House, Ray, PP, Pose, Scal

 

Again, probably a situation setting, but KG for Scal probably isn’t really happening unless it’s end of the quarter, half.  Not going to happen at the end of the game.

 

Defensive Lineup

Rondo, TA, PP, KG, Perk

Last Year:  Rondo, TA, PP, Baby, Perk

2008: Rondo, TA, Pose, KG, PJ

 

I think this is the best defensive lineup on paper.  TA can play D, but his basketball IQ is low (See fouling Ben Gordon last year).  But athletically, I think this unit can clamp down on anyone.  If we can coach up Daniels on defense, maybe he comes in for TA, or PP.  I would love to see us really focus on the D this year, and would love to see this team attack people on defense like they did in 08. 

 

Gino Lineup

House, TA, Scal, Baby, Williams

Last Year: Not a ton, can’t remember that many blowout after KG was out.

2008:  House, TA, Scal,  Baby, Leon.

 

Anytime Gino’s on the jumbotron, I think these are the guys that will be in the game.  I hope we see plenty of this lineup.

 

Overall, these are just a few of the lineups that we can trot out.   But barring injury, I am very excited about what this team can do, at least on paper.  The biggest improvement from last year will be consistent defense.  Good defense can bring us a championship.

 

Last year, our big man rotation lacked a bench shot blocker (ala PJ Brown).  Now with Sheed, and the return of KG, we should have no situation where we won’t have a shot blocker on the court, in most situation, we’ll have two.  This in turn changes the defense, allowing a bit more tight pressure play on defense with shot blockers to erase any mistakes.

 These lineups are in no way complete, but a fair prediction, if healthy of who we'll see together on the floor.  Having reviewed them, it gets me excited for the season.  I think each group is superior to the 2009 team, and would give the 2008 team a run for their money.  If the team is focused on defense and teamwork, this team will go far.  

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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Nice Analysis

You put some thought into that…I like it.

9 + 20 + 34 + 5 + 43 = 17

by Rondo'd on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

Great Read…lots of time and thought put into it. I especially like your crunch-time lineup/analysis. I agree with you: that is a killer offense to slow down late in the game. Having Sheed in the post gives the C’s another offensive threat that the D will have to honor. I like having Perk in there though for defense—like you said its up to Doc to work out as it will be a very delicate situation to manage- but that is why he gets the big bucks, and we get to comment on it!

by carmaj21 on Aug 25, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PP is in every line up haha is he gonna play all game

by celtics94 on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No true three

If Daniels can’t play the three, then I don’t know how Paul get his rest. IF he can, you can go ahead and plug him in with any 2nd unit. Hopefully it won’t be an issue. . . Paul isn’t on the Gino lineup, and I hope we see lots of that this year

by Vineet on Aug 27, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

id love to see the gino line up but my only knock on doc is that he is not good at subing his guys and making interesting lineups. so i wuldnt exspect that lineup much

by celtics94 on Aug 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thought this was a fun read

so I added it to the front page

enjoy

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Aug 27, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overall well thought out Vinneet...

I’d only have a few changes…

KG Insurance Line Up: 2008 Rondo, Ray PP, PJ, Perk
3 Point Shooting LIne Up: Last Year House, Ray, PP, Scal, Perk

The Defensive Line Up some times could also be the mountain lineup and the crunch time lineup will have Perk in it sometimes and Sheed depending on the situation and matchups… But overall a good analysis.

Good job Vineet!

by Mike-Dub on Aug 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some Notes
I would love to see us really focus on the D this year, and would love to see this team attack people on defense like they did in 08.

We did this last year. We’re a defense-oriented team. It didn’t look like it after KG went down. KG is is what makes us a great defensive team. Also, Rondo is key to an “attacking” defense, but when he is super-aggressive, he gambles and his man gets by him. After KG went down only Perk was there to back up Rondo’s gambling and often Perk had to chose between staying with his own man, such as a Howard, or picking up Rondo’s man. It was an impossible task. With KG back this all changes.

On this year’s defensive team I would replace TA with Daniels. (I think I read where he can defend). Just don’t trust TA anymore.

Would really like to see the “Mountain Lineup” in action.

"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
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by TrueGreen on Aug 27, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Daniels defense is pretty good so we don’t ever have to play TA ever again except in the Gino lineup unless we trade him (which I really hope we do!)

by Mike-Dub on Aug 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A different view on defense

I think the body was willing, but the mind was weak. I agree the defense was better when KG was in there, and we had more shot blocking.

However, from the 08 team I think we lost 2 defense first players. Both Posey and PJ Brown came into games knowing they were in there to play defense and rebound. Scoring was not a priority for either of them. With KG, who I think is wired as a defense first guy, we lost three guys who focused on their D first.

Last year, while I love Baby and Powe, I do not think they were thinking about how they could effect the game on defense. Without KG, I think we had only one guy (Perk) who thought defense first. It maybe a mental thing, but a refocus on defense would be helpful. Although, I don’t think any of the new guys we added are D first either (although, I don’t think Rasheed is a points/touches guy). It just seemed that at times last year we were just trying to outscore teams. I remember fewer stretches where we just shut team down on defense, especially after KG was out. My main compliment of Scal is that he’s one of the defense first guys, despite his lack athleticism. You knew he would focus on the defensive, sometimes to the detriment of his offense.

by Vineet on Aug 27, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah losing Posey and PJ Brown were two big losses...

I’m hoping we can get a sign and trade done for Marquis Daniels and open up a spot for Bruce Bowen so we can have him as a good backup 3 that can guard the star 2’s and 3’s for spot minutes and give us more depth at the 2/3 spot… Also I feel that Sheed will give us as good maybe better defense than PJ Brown and he will definitely give better offensive production because he is just an all around better offensive player… That is no slouch on PJ… HE WAS GREAT FOR US FOR BANNER 18 AND I’LL BE FOREVER GREATFUL FOR PJ COMING HERE!

by Mike-Dub on Aug 27, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Need a Backup PG

That’s what I kept thinking when viewing every one of the above rotations that is sans Rondo.

by Brickowski on Aug 27, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great read - but

What about a post trading deadline line-up?

I’m sure this topic gets revisited throughout the course of our successful 18th Championship Campaign in 2010. I listen to what Bill Walton has to say religeously ;)

Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions

by QuinielaBox on Aug 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big Back Court

One of the more intriguing poss. with Daniels is playing him at the point with RA (SG) PP (SF) KG (PF) Sheed © That is a line up that has size at all positions but SF. And yes not having a true 6’8" wing (posey) will probably hurt us; but that when Scal becomes our secret weapon. The idea of TA as a SF (except on small lineups) really gets me.

by Green is Good on Aug 27, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bring back Pruitt

Offer TA and Scal. for second round draft picks. One in two years and the other in three years. Who ever we get will not be used until two years anyway.

In the mean time fill in the roster with inexpensive project players.

by tyquinton on Aug 27, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i rather have scal than pruitt al least he can shoot the three consistently

by celtics94 on Aug 27, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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