Celtics Sign Shelden Williams
by Roy_Hobbs on Aug 3, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
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PrintForward Shelden Williams has agreed to a one-year contract with the Celtics. Financial terms of the deal have not been disclosed.
Williams, 25, was the fifth overall pick in the 2006 NBA Draft by the Atlanta Hawks after a decorated college career at Duke. He was a first-team All-American in 2006 and graduated as the program's all-time leader in blocked shots and rebounds.
Marc Spears reports via twitter
The signing will not have bearing on C interest in Davis.
The Cs are still struggling to work a sign and trade for Daniels, but either way he's coming, source said. Rookie Hudson's status in air.
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Figures
I’d been telling friends that I wouldn’t be surprised to see Williams here. High basketball I.Q., though won’t do anything wonderful for the team other than fill some holes.
Good character guy. Nice pick up.
Not a handsome man...
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Haha... agreed.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
but still skilled enough to pull Candace Parker....not bad
still not ugly enough to be put in the Ewing, Bird, Kareem classification…lol
Good point, she's worth the signing on her own
Now i’m wondering why we never saw Dan Dickau’s wife.
It does affect the situation. It gives the Celtics more leverage. They can be even more patient with him now, or become less demanding in a sign and trade to move baby if needed be. It also helps move Scal if needed, who at the moment I’m leaning towards keeping depending on the talent we’re trying to get for him.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point re: Scal. As of today, Scal’s the fourth big; with Williams aboard, maybe you can finally use his contract (and TA’s) to get something of value without significantly impacting the existing bench. Trade Scal/TA for a bigger backup wing with a longer contract (Nochioni?), let Daniels be Ray’s backup, and you still have sufficient depth in the frontcourt (excess depth if you manage to bring BBD back aboard). Right now, it’s hard to trade Scal because… well, we NEED the big lug!
Yeah, Scal's been kind of an emergency utility guy
Not really a big, and not really a wing. Shelden’s a big. I’d like to get a legit bigger 3 to back up Paul. You’re right, we could probably land Noc for Scal and TA’s contract, if not now, then nearing the trade deadline.
"Rookie Hudson's status in Air"
that part was also of interest. Signing Williams, and using the LLE on Daniels would seemingly make another player (pg) unattainable. I was starting to think Hudson would get the nod one way or the other considering Pruitt has now been waived.
Maybe it’s just my home team bias, but something about Hudson intrigues me. I feel he may be able to earn minutes on this team, or at least more than Gabe ever earned…
meet Leon Powe's replacement
lets hope he lives up to the role
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Yep...
Almost the exact same career rebound rate as Powe:
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Losing some of the offense, but Boston's frontcourt D is going to be scary
The Chicago Bulls.....the more profitable Los Angeles Clippers.
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 3, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff...
Didn’t you just write a story about how boring today was going to be?
Thanks Mike
If he could duplicate last year’s total of 5 rebounds in 13.8 minutes, I’d be happy with that.
Don’t see how this DOESN’T impact BBD. Williams is nothing special (how was he the 5th overall pick again?), but he’s good enough to be the 4th big. Makes less sense for BBD to re-sign here, and makes less sense for ownership to sign off on even a moderate offer sheet given the luxury tax. Still hope that BBD somehow makes it back, but his return would seem to be more of a luxury now.
BBD is a 5
where as Williams can only play 4. Thinking back to last year, the center position was where Baby was most effective. He always dictated the mis-matches at 5 and excells defensively there as well. As a 4, he’s the one who has trouble matching up.
Williams will be the 5th big behind Wallace and Baby, and a second insurance policy if KG goes down.
We have our backup 5, though; ‘Sheed; BBD, if he comes back, will be playing mostly PF. BBD was our backup center by default last year, he did a pretty admirable job on the defensive end but that’s not where he’s going to play long-term.
At the very least, this means no Robert Swift – but I don’t see how this doesn’t impact the liklihood of BBD’s return.
Well
Sheed and BBD can play both.
If Sheed comes off the bench (big if, I’m just sayin’), he will come in for the first big out, no matter the position.
‘Sheed will be the first in, but barring injuries or weird, small-ball opposing lineups I don’t think there will be too many times without either ‘Sheed or Perk being on the court. When ’Sheed’s one the court with KG, he’ll be defending the 5; when he’s on the court with Perk, he’ll be defending the 4.
huh, see I was thinking that Sheed would be playing more PF, but still a healthy diet of both spots.
Baby, especially defensively, is more of a 5 in my mind. His rebounding is a bit of liability there, but with either KG or Sheed next to him, it’s not an issue. Besides Perk, he’ll do the best job against Shaq, D12, etc etc with his girth.
I guess we’ll have to see how it shakes out. I’d certainly prefer Baby to Williams, so hopefully that he isn’t here to replace Davis.
Hasn’t Rasheed been playing 5 for the pistons.
Honestly, if Wallace were on another team, I would think BBD vs. Sheed at 5 would be a serious mismatch. BBD would get destroyed.
I think he’s played both, more recently I thought McDysse played 5 and Sheed played 4… I could be wrong though…
Baby would only struggle against Sheed because Sheed shoots the three and is a ‘perimeter 5’.
Think about the job Davis has done defensively against traditional 5’s, the likes of Yao and Duncan and Howard. His thickness is an advantage at 5, where as at 4 it holds him back against the quick of foot (like Rashard Lewis for example).
This is all getting tangential to the news of the day, but BBD would be an exceptional defender at the 5 if he was either 6’10" or at least had a Powe-esque wingspan. He can struggle against jump-shooting bigs because of his height, and unfortunately the league’s big men are primarily jump shooters. At the very least, would you all agree that, at best, he’d be the third-best post defender on this team? I’d take Perk and ’Sheed to defend against almost any other center in the league.
that seems reasonable, that he’s the 3rd best post defender at 5 behind Sheed and Perk.
I’d also say the drop-off defensively from Sheed to Baby at the 4 spot is much, much greater than at the 5 spot.
Davis is excellent at keeping the largest players in the league off their spots. Sheed can pretty much guard any big, that’s why he gets paid as well as he does.
If both Sheed and Baby are together on the floor, I think our defense is better with Baby at 5 though on account of Sheed’s versatility to handle the perimeter-type 4’s.
I agree
with most of what you say but Howard is not an outside shooter and neither is Shaq. Those are the two series we we may need Davis to push the big guys out of the paint and at least, send them to the foul line. You know Perk will be in foul trouble.
I agree, I’ll take BBD any day of the week over Sheldon Williams. As much as I respect Spears’ reporting, how can this signing NOT impact their plans regarding BBD? There are only so many minutes to go around in the frontcourt; figure about thirty each for Perk/KG/‘Sheed, that’s six minutes for anyone else. Figuring they cut back on KG and ‘Sheed, that’s maybe ten or twelve minutes a game.
It was already going to be tight fitting BBD into the rotation (as much as I like him, he clearly would be the fourth best player in this rotation), but unless you signed Williams JUST as an insurance policy, where are the extra minutes coming from?
I agree with you, D Dub
Think Baby is more effective as a 5, and think Sheed prefers playing the 4.
Alright...
I like it. Re-sign BBD and we’ve made a serious upgrade with Sheed.
Otherwise Sheed is an upgrade, but is still filling the whole left without Davis.
Williams supposedly has some serious defense and low post moves. Sound familiar?
What?
BBD is a four where Williams mostly plays the 5. BBD is 6’7 and Williams is 6’11. BBD shoots a lot of jumpers sounds more like someone who replaces KG’s skill set when the ticket is out of the lineup than someone who replaces Perk’s skill set, which Williams does.
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completely inaccurate
Williams measured 6’7" and 3/4ths in his predraft measurements. Baby’s more of a 5 than Williams—and Baby can actually put the ball into the basket, something Williams really hasn’t been able to figure out…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 3, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the reason he went 5th overall,
was that it was the first year without HS kids in the draft. And there weren’t as many one-and-done kids (because they came straight out of HS the year before), so the draft was basically devoid of high talent guys. Except for Rajon of course.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
solid front court
If we bring back Big Baby, I’ll be very happy with our upgraded bench. That’ll make 6 bigs (including Scal) that can all play rotational minutes.
Doc will have no excuses if KG plays too many mpg this regular season. Hopefully this is part of the plan to keep him under 30 mpg for awhile.
KG's Minutes
Doc has always controlled KG’s minutes. 8 or 9 minutes in the first quarter. Comes back in the 2nd quarter with about 5-8 minutes to go. Same in the second half (with alterations in 4th quarter in close games. KG has never had to play extra minutes because of injuries to PP and Ray.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
This just proves that...
Rumors are just rumors, and nobody knows what’s really going on.
The Landlord ...
has landed. One of the best nick names in the association.
Haha Thank You
I was wondering if he still went by that nickname, why do people not refer to him as The Landlord very often anymore?
I didn't see that one coming.
I’ve never seen Williams play but I knew his name. If he is a real and reliable replacement for Leon, and not just a “project” that Danny wanted to acquire, I’m fine with him, and I’m glad anyway that Ainge added depth to our big men rotation. Now sign Big Baby and we will be set for our big men!
Hard to consider him a “project.” He’s been in the league for a couple years and played four years at Duke. At this point, figure he is what he is.
in Atlanta
I think he went from complete bust to a serviceable role player on a marginal team. My guess is Ainge sees talent that Clifford Ray can mold. Haven’t heard anyone question this kids heart, but then again, they don’t talk about him that much.
by Thruthelookingglass on Aug 3, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not the best player. id much rather have powe but hopefully clifford ray and the staff can turn him into a decent player
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
The question is...
… would we much have a Powe that is recovering from a very serious injury?
Williams replaces most of Powe’s rebounding, which should help a bit.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
if the reports are right he is well ahead of schedule in his recovery.
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 3, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Which reports?
Last I heard was mid-February, which is pretty much exactly on track. Either way, there’s no way in the word he’s ready for the beginning of the regular season.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
that's my take
Danny believes a full season of Shelden is better than a half season of Powe
time will tell of course
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
And also...
Powe we still have to take time to gettng adjusted to playing again when he does come back… Williams can play the beginning of the season and won’t have to adjust to coming back to February like Powe and maybe he can improve enough under our coaching that he will be a pretty good upgrade over Powe. I love Leon though and best wishes to him!
Williams
is not going to get any minutes unless we have injuries.
Also, when was the last time a player (Powe) came back from this type of injury and was productive with no set backs within a year? I would be shocked if Leon played a significant roll for any team next spring.
any one you choose. everything ive seen says he’s ahead of schedule
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 4, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Color me skeptical. Those reports seemed to be coming out of Powe’s camp, I don’t recall any of those “he’s ahead of schedule” reports coming from anyone without a vested interest in Powe getting a contract offer.
thats possible too
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 4, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
And
the landlord is much bigger and a much better shot blocker. He’s the landlord because he owns the paint.
he's 6'9 so he's not much bigger but he is wider
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
by remembering9ergods on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this signing gives Danny some flexibility
I’d still like to bring Baby back, but at least with Williams around, Danny has greater flexibility when sign and trading Baby. Now, he could S&T him for wing, backup PG, really whatever was best… or just bring Baby back.
And speaking of flexibility
I’d still like a bigger backup 3 for Paul, for when we’re going against other big 3s. Would love to get Outlaw.
Outlaw would be nice, but now that Portland has Andre Miller in the fold there were rumors that Steve Blake might be available for not too much.
Blake would be a nice backup, for sure.
I like the flexibility this move gives us.
Were did u hear these rumors?...
Just wondering cuz I would love to have Steve Blake as our back up PG.
Didn’t see that one coming. I, like others I guess, had really expected Danny to pick up Robert Swift as this years “project”. I’m not sure whatever Shelden Williams has shown in the NBA, but he’s got loads of the p-word. Seems alot like the POB signing last year, but lets hope Shelden will be everything O’Bryant wasn’t..
For me Shelden's not like POB at all.
POB was the Tin Man… no heart. Whatever his limitations, at least Williams puts on his hard hat and scraps every time he plays.
And I agree
Perhaps not as clearly, but I think that was what I wrote!
Still kinda nervous..
Our bigs are set now (especially if we get BBD back) BUT…(knock on wood) if Rondo were to go down, who the heck is going to run the point? House, TA, and Daniels Wow…talk about a dramatic drop-off. We still HAVE to get another backup PG. (ie Steph, Anthony Johnson, etc).
Which brings me to another point… Only 12 of the 15 players can dress….who do we sit? Does this further show that Danny and company have no faith in J-Giddens or Billy Walker??
YES!
Ah huge Duke fan, my college team. He was wicked good in college but I haven’t heard much from him since…I really hope he finds his place with the celtics. If BBD, a total anomaly can fit into the NBA, I am confident that the Celtics coaching staff can turn my man into at least a decent role player. Very glad to have him.
if the celtics sign davis and marquis and get a back up point, we are by the far the favorite to win it all were freakin stacked
Along with getting Bowen too… i still woudn’t say we would be the by far favorites but healthy we would be the favorites right up there with LA.
Meh, I’m fine with House at the point. Who else is available that you’re rather have on the court? Ty Lue? Starcrazy? Unless you’re going to make a trade for someone like Steve Blake, House is going to be our backup PG, assisted (so to speak) by Daniels. I’m fine with that.
Marbury...
I’d be fine with him coming back (not so much as before his Ustream/Justin.tv stunt but I still want him to come back).
I don't think we should deal Walker...
He has plenty of potential and I really think he can make it in the league.
I agree--Pruitt, Tony and/or Scal were plenty to offer to Indiana.
If Baby comes back, it’ll be the first time we see Doc give up on his 4-pg sets and start playing a 3-pf front line. I’m fine with that, and with seeing who out of Walker, Giddens and Hudson is able to step up at the other end of the court.
C's Are Going For Now
They are not developing players with potential and are making moves to win now. If we can give us a better chance to win now with a trade involving Walker (or Giddens) they are going to do it. As for Scals, I think he is NOW more valuable to us than Walker or Giddens or TA. Scals can defend and if he plays within his abilities he’s an asset. He did a great job standing in for KG until he got hit with those concussions. He was defending, hitting the three and playing “within himself”.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
what's the deal with only average 27 games a season since his rookie year??
has he been hurt?
racking up DNP’s
anyone know? and should this be a concern?
Last year he played a woppin 15 games.
also, like what I hear about his defense, but his career FG% seems a bit low for a PF doesn’t it? especially one this is one of these “jump shooting types”
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 3, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
didn’t he have shoulder problems for awhile? he use to wear that wierd shoulder guard in Atlanta i remember…
He just wants to be cool like his wife.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Williams
Like SWD515, I considered Williams a top notch player at Duke. That’s why he was drafted so high. A Elton Brand type of player. I have not followed him in the pros. Has he had injury problems? Hard to believe that he has not been any good in the NBA.
I watched just about every one of his games in college,
and was really nothing like Elton Brand. Not nearly as athletic or naturally talented scoring the basketball. But he worked really, really hard and got better and better every year. He blocked shots using positioning and timing rather than leaping ability. This is why we got beat by LSU; he couldn’t really hang athletically with Ty Thomas and Big Baby. Leon Powe is definitely a good comparison.
"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw
Would sure love to now trade Scal and TA's exprings for Noc
We’d finally get a bigger backup 3 for Paul. Then, still sign Daniels to back up Ray. Then, all we’d need is the backup PG, and we’ll be ultra loaded.
yea if we could get noc wed be set, u think the celts r jus gonna sign marbury. I think sacramento would do that 2 it would give them some expiring contracts for next year those r extremly valuable. i dont kno if the numbers would match up
Sacramento wouldn't do that deal...
Even though I would love for them to. Since that deal isn’t going to happen I am definitely up for us trying to get Bruce Bowen to come here.
he might..maybe scale to the pacers gets it done
by celticinorlando on Aug 3, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm, you may be right, I could see Scal fitting in very well under O’bie. Of course, can you imagine the uprising if Legend makes ANOTHER trade for an, uh… “lacking-in-melanin” player?
Hansbrough’s hurt, remember. Out for a couple months with a shin injury. Maybe it’s not worthwhile for Indiana to take Scal, but what if we slide them $1M or $1.5M to grease the wheels? If Scal’s not going to play and we need that roster spot, might as well get his contract off the books for luxury tax calculation purposes. Maybe it’s worthwhile for Indiana to take Scalabrine back if it’s only going to cost them $2M or so, net.
Hadn’t heard that, only that they didn’t want TA. Why wouldn’t they want Scal? He busts tail when he’s on the court, plays decent D and has a good outside shot; how is he not the ideal backup PF for Jim O’Brien?
Besides, put him on the court with Granger, Dunleavy, Jeff Foster, Hansbrough… it’ll be like watching Hickory High! They just need to get Vinnie Del Negro as assistant coach, to play “Shooter.”
How about...
Scal, TA, and Walker or Giddens for Ramon Sessions.
And he's only 25
We really needed some youth, glad the C’s went out and got some.
He’s not gonna be anything dramatic – but he’s a great role player.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
People need to look more closely. Sheldon played in 45 games. Not great but better than the 15 games that someone suggested earlier.
How can one not like this signing?
It’s not Sheldon’s fault that he was a lottery pick, he is what he is. For those people that raved about what Leon brought, will see the same things from Sheldon. He is a banger down low that will throw his body around, use his fouls, and clean up on the offensive end. In his rookie year when he was given time as a starter for Atlanta, he was a very productive player. In starts during his rookie campaign he averaged close to a double-double in about 27 minutes of averaged time. I understand that he most likely won’t receive starter minutes this year but it goes to show you that he can be succesful with what he is given…very much like Leon. Giving the Celtics 4 points and 4 rebounds in ten minutes of time, the Celtics will be very happy.
This is a very cheap signing, gives the Celtics more flexability, and offers another big man in the rotation. All things that we were still looking for, especially if Baby moves on. A very shrewed move by Danny.
by Riles335 on Aug 3, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i think clifford ray working with him
will be big. this and when he is on the court will be looked at to play defense, hustle, rebound and put backs…if boston can get baby here are their bigs:
KG
Sheed
Perk
Baby
Sheldon
Scal
that is a pretty good stable of bigs..
wings:
PP
Daniels
Walker
Bowen (maybe)
SG
Ray
Eddie
Giddens
Tony (unfortunately)
Scal is a "big"?
A big what?
Check his rebounding stats over the last four years. The only thing big abut that is the level of disappointment. A big bust for a man 6ft 10" tall.
He hung around the three point line 99% of the time his first four years here and couldn’t get his nose dirty. Rondo out rebounded him!!!! You can count him as a nice guy, maybe as an “intangible”, a funny guy with a lot of heart but counting him as a “big” is like calling someone a boxer because they got in a fight once or twice in their life.
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Aug 3, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a big
in that he is implemented as one when he is in the game. He does not play much 3, but is used mostly as a 4. He is used to spread the floor, creating matchup problems for bigger 4s, much like Posey did when he played the 4. However, in the sense that he plays at the 4, Scal is on the C’s depth chart as a big, sorry. You’re making far more of the term than is intended in order to roast Scal.
Let's Not Get Carried Away
Sheldon Williams is this year’s Patrick O’Bryant: a front court lottery pick who has been a flop in the NBA. His offensiveskills can charitably be described as mechanical.
Some additional thoughts:
1. Who are they trying to kid when they say that this sigjning has no bearing on the C’s interest in Davis. Of course it does. It makes BBD much more expendible and at minimum he and Williams will be fighting for minutes. Same goes for Scalabrine.
2. I hope the Celtics got a team option for year #2. If Clifford Ray somehow does turn this sow’s ear into a silk purse the Celtics need the ability to retain him without dipping into their MLE. With a two year deal, they will have early Bird rights at the end of year #2.
3. They still need a backup pg. I was disappointed to learn that Kevin Ollie signed with the Thunder. What a dumb place for a veteran like him to go.
was patrick obryant really a flop i dont think the guy ever got a minute on the court, there jus wasnt room for him on the court, obryant is a good shooting big i think he will be good in the nba, and sheldon williams is nothing like obryant hes a scrapper like leon
So What?
75% of the guys in the D-League are scrappers. Leon can score in the low post. He led the Pac-10 in scoring— twice I believe— and his moves around the basket are as good as anyone’s.
Williams has none of those offensive skills.
Powe is greatly overrated.
moves around the basket as good as anyone in the league? Don’t think so.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Sure He Does
Unfortunately Leon is only 6-8.
No that's they thing he did well
it was no where near as good as the tops in the league.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
the only thing he was tops in the league in was gettin 2 the line, which will be missed he got other bigs into a lot of foul trouble
I'll give you that
his unorthodox moves picked up a lot of fouls.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Other than the fact that they both are disappointing lottery picks, the POB comparision is meaningless. If POB had half the heart of Williams (or one-tenth the heart of Leon), he would be El Busto II.
They signed POB because they figured if they could motivate him, he had the talent to be a starting-caliber big. With Williams, MAYBE they can help him develop some post moves, but after four years at Duke and a few years in the League, you pretty much know what he is; a good rebounder and defender who’s not going to win you any games on offense.
POB was a high risk/high reward signing; Sheldon is low risk/low reward.
they signed POB over Chris Andersen
biggest mistake DA ever made.
By all accounts
Birdman had a personal connection with Denver and really wasn’t going anywhere else. There are plenty of real mistakes Danny has made that you can point to, but that’s not one of them.
Wouldn't Compare POwe To Cowens
First of all times are different. Cowens was a much better player. I used to love seeing him blitz a pg and chase him to half court and stay with him. Cowens could also beat up on a guy when called for and not get tossed or suspended. Powe wouldn’t be allowed to do that. Both played hard, but I think Cowens played harder. Never see Powe diving for a loose ball. Cowens always did it. I’m a bit biased here because Cowens was my favorite player when he was here. I don’t know if you know what a drug sensitivity test is, but you grow out bacteria and put disks with different drugs on top of the bacteria. There will be a clear space around the drug disk if it was effective. That was Cowens rebounding. When he went up for a rebound no one went even close to him. There was just wide open space around him. Oh those memories.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I like Powe, but comparing Leon to Cowens...
Is an insulting, “slap in the face” to Big Red!
you might as well be comparing a Yugo to a Mercedes.
I wasn't comparing the two!!!!
except they both scrap for the ball – good lord you guys really are too much – read my post!!!!
Is it Soup Yet?
That's sort of my position.
Not bad for minimum but, I certainly hope this isn’t suppose to be some replacement for BBD.
If they bring BBD back I have no problem with him being 5th in big man rotation but, he’s not in Davis’ league as for a skills.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Brick...why such a Kevin Ollie fan?
He`ll soon be 37…has been waived at least 6 times in his career…traded three times…shoots 41% from the floor over his career.
What is it you see?
1. Defends reasonably well.
2. Doesn’t turn the ball over (led the league in assist to turover ratio, generally does well on that statistic)
3. Makes his free throws
4. Very experienced— knows how to run a offense
5. Won’t complain about short minutes
williams
The fifth-overall pick in 2006 has had trouble gaining career traction, with a chronic inability to finish around the basket dampening his hopes of becoming a rotation player. Williams converted only 47.8 percent of his shots in the basket area, an extremely poor rate for a big man, and since he’s also mediocre at best an outside shooter (37.6 percent on long 2s for his career), it doesn’t leave a lot of alternatives for where to get his points. He at least got to the line at a high rate, which helped offset that woeful 43.4 percent mark from the floor.
by lakersbluedevil on Aug 3, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even close to POB
Yes, he is offensively limited, most saw that even before he was drafted. But he is big, was a terrific shot blocker in college who was not afraid to use his body. POB never showed at any level he had the desire to mix it up down low. They don’t need Shelden to score. If he can come in a few minutes each half, bang down low, play tough D, use some fouls, he’ll be far more than POB ever was capable of being.
YES. Shelden Williams is an upgrade over POB, that should not be very controversial but..
my concern is slotting him in as the replacement for Glen Davis (with Sheed replacing Powe effectively). He is not nearly the offensive player that Davis is, and their defenses are pretty comparable. Shelden can block more shots, but BBD has that low center-of-gravity that he uses quite well against taller players like Dwight Howard.
Disappointed, and yes this almost certainly means BBD will not be resigned
Shelden Williams has not done much in this league, maybe even less than Powe or Glen Davis.
Beyond that, there just aren’t enough minutes to go around and the last roster spot is needed for a backup PG or a taller wing to back up Pierce (Daniels is Ray’s backup mainly IMO.)
How Bout Some Praise For Danny
This guy was drafted #5, and Leon (better, yet injured) was picked up #49 in the same draft. Everyone also sounds higher on BBD (naturally), another 2nd rounder.
You’ve got to respect Ainge’s ability to get better value in the 2nd round. Now he’s got a #5 pick for nothing.
All in all, I like this move for insurance purposes. Shelden has a little more height and length that the aforementioned two, and should be able to contribute some good play while surrounded by quality players.
Well yeah just keep BBD
and I’ll praise him from here to eternity. I would probably praise either way but, keep BBD!!!
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
At least this mean the pieces are falling into place
It’s been frustrating the past two weeks of waiting. I expect the other shoe to drop now on the Daniels deal and then maybe one more FA
Scal (and some cash) to Indiana for Daniels. Preserve the LLE for February. They’ll pay a good chunk of Scal’s salary to get him off the books (minimize luxury tax) and make it worthwhile for Indiana (who’s going to be without Hansbrough for a few months). Scal’s expendable now that Williams is aboard.
Bowen when he’s available as the fourth wing.
BBD… I still think they match an offer that’s in the $3M/yr range, but probably with the idea of doing a trade later on.
Yeah the Hansborough injury is a good point. Watch this deal go down soon.
But we might still have TA after the dust settles.
Doesn’t matter. Once Daniels is aboard, he’ll be glued to the bench regardless. As much as I dislike Tony Allen, he doesn’t hurt us unless he’s in the game!
(Unless, of course, one of those Chi-town gansters he owes money to takes a shot at him and one of the GOOD players gets caught in the crossfire).
i think baby getting a MLE offer is not going to happen...anything
under that i think danny is going to match…sheldon is powe’s replacement. we all said boston needed one more big in addition to what they had…baby comes back the bench bigs are very good…williams can do what powe did….we need to figure out a PG
I think
this opens the door for a S&T with BBD. If signing and trading him for a big was a problem, then having Williams allows for more flexibility there.
Nevertheless CinO, given your gloom and doom over the past 20-some-odd-days (yes, I’m never going to let you forget), Danny has brought in some pretty decent players that were largely under the radar. I like what he’s done because if Daniels plays the one, that moves Eddie to the two on offense, which will help the team offensively.
Can we move BBD and TA for someone decent? Or does TA poison the well for getting anything good in return?
Been a pretty interesting offseason so far, regardless of Jeff’s article yesterday. Can’t wait for the season to begin, though seeing Daniels shoot brick after brick will be hard to take.
doom and gloom? how so?
i just want the daniels deal done…and i want tony allen out of boston
by celticinorlando on Aug 3, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
call me...
…uninspired.. would rather have leon back mid-season. we will rue the day he signs with cleveland. it will be near impossible to replace his toughness on this team.
I'm worried about that too, but it doesn't keep me up at night
Leon has had to overcome so many obstacles in his life, both in his family situation as well as in his career with injury after injury going back to college. It has likely made him stronger and he seems like the kind of guy who will work hard to overcome challenges. He will never be an all-star but he will be a good contributor off the bench and be tough. He could hurt the C’s in the playoffs.
Please, Powe only hurt the Lakers one game in the playoffs and that was because
he surprised them. He won’t be surprising us. Besides, even if he’s able to play come playoff time, I don’t know how effective he will be, if at all.
what season were you watching?
I thought Powe was effective on many many occasions – played like warrior – which he is
Is it Soup Yet?
Bricks Right On Again
You new guys should pay attention to what Brickowski has to say!!!!
He is right on about Williams especially the Mechancal Offensive.
Re Ollie……he is a more consistent player than LUE who I think is small, no offense and doesn’t do a good job in distributing the ball. Ollie fits all those skills better than most FA PG out there..
Nobody thinks Williams is a starter
He’s a vet min 25-year-old. A role player who can play defense, rebound pretty well (5 reebs in 13.8 mins last year) and is good for a few garbage hoops a game. Rotation guy for a unit with other scorers.
Does he have injury issues?
I mean, isn’t vet min for a 25-year-old player kind of a red flag?
He’s the typical ACC superstar who struggles at the next level. Definitely is never going to be a superstar, but does all the little things. If he’s only expected to assist the second unit and give 100%, then he’s a gem. If people expect him to dominate like he did at Duke, then forget about it. It will never happen at this level.
Let's seee..
Assist second unit..bench player, so check.
Needs to give 100%….according to everyone else, check.
Guess he’s a gem. : )
its not like this is that complicated we needed a replacement for leon n we got a freakin clone pratically, role player we dont need a allstar
Williams
is not a clone of Leon. If he was, he would still be in Atlanta, Minnesota or Sacramento.
Po?
You think signing Williams means BBD is gone? Seems to me that Williams is in many ways like Leon, but with better knees, and weaker intangibles. I could see BBD being moved, and then signing either Fazekas or Swift so they could rot on the bench . Or, BBD coming back, and us having quite a bit of depth at the 4-5.
Thoughts?
Leverage/Plan B
I know little of Williams but DA just sent a message to BBD and/or a S&T is somehow all but done. BBd is a must IF IF he wants to be here. But what do I know as I liked Eric Williams as much as I liked Powe and then he was dimissed. I am apparently a poor judge of talent according to most on here. I also liked Dave Cowens but to some he was initially dismissed as a “big” due to size despite his ability to claw his way to ever loose ball available to mortal men.
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Aug 3, 2009 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you PO on Powe
I loved Eric Williams. They both remind me of Maxwell around the hoop. Always making contact and going to the line. Cowens never had the knee injuries of the other three but they all brought tenacity.
Who Knows?
IMHO it is 50-50 whether or not BBD comes back. The issue is whether they can find a third team to participate in a sign and trade, since Big Baby is BYC player.
It is also quite possible that no team will offer enough, and BBD will take the qualifying offer to become unrestricted next year. That might be a smart move if his agent thinks the economy will recover.
But the Williams signing certainly makes it easier to trade him.
He can't be any worst
than POB.
Once Cliffor Ray gets ahold of him and teaches him how to get his shot off at the highest point, while creating separation from the defender, Wiliams will be more effective offensively. Already, he’s a decent board man and post defender. Low risk, high reward signing if the guy can play 12 quality minutes a game in the regular season if BBD isn’t retained.
Some Questions
1. Could Williams be a precursor to a trade or is there a waiting period before we can trade him. (such as in a Marquis Daniels deal).
2. What’s the Celtics roster count now?
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Easier to trade Davis now
Now if we can find a way to get Keyon Dooling, we should be fine.
To Boston: Sean Williams, Keyon Dooling, and Marquis Daniels
To New Jersey: Glen Davis and Tony Allen
To Indiana: Jarvis Hayes
Indiana gets their backup swing guy, NJ gets Baby, and Boston gets their backup PG, SF, and an adequate backup. I’d even be willing to throw in Bill Walker if it makes it happen.
Maybe Danny has already agreed in principle with some team for a s&t with bbd, thus the williams signing? I actually like this signing in the sense that it gives us something that the bench didn’t have much of last season – length.
I'm hearing that Williams is about the same height as BBD
and it makes me wonder even more about this signing. BBD is clearly the better offensive player and defensively they are about a toss-up. Williams is the better rebounder, but BBD has playoff and champonship experience. I dislike this signing more and more.
They're essentially the same height
Both measured around 6’7 w/o shoes….
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wingspan?
2 inches taller with a much bigger wingspan and vertical jump. That equals MUCH taller.
I would be very happy to see Sean Williams come to BOS
If we could bring Keyon Dooling in…. he’s not great but a filler for foul trouble minutes.
And then send BBD to NJ.
And keep Marquis Daniels.
I could see this working out for us this way.
Celtics94,
Did you know you can type more than one sentence in a Comment box. Just letting you know because it seems like you just love spamming the Comments section with one sentences.
BBD
is gone. Management didn’t trust his long term conditioning.
by The Real Large James 2 on Aug 3, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe something's coming up.
This Williams thing feels like a part of something else, which also has me guessing it involves Davis.
Getting suspicious!
How come only the Globe is reporting this? There is nada on the Herald, nada on ESPN, nada on Fox Sports, naturally nada on the C’s official web site.
Heard it on Boston radio as well...
but still, you have to wonder if this is a prelude to another (bigger?) deal. Did SAC have is rights last? Would love to see this as part of a 3- or 4-way deal that completes the Daniels thing, Moves TA, and brings in a vet PG
I like this deal.
Why not? The guy can back up Davis or Wallace as a 3rd stringer. He works hard. He can rebound and block some shots. He’s not great, but he’ll be a good 3rd stringer. To top it off, he can always get better since he is still a young guy.
Deal's not bad
Insurance in case some one does something stupid and throws MLE money at BBD. SW is a good defender and rebounder (unlike BBD).
SW’s a bust in that Atlanta picked him way too high at the time and he was know to be offensively challenged. If the Hawks FO had a clue (and they didn’t/don’t) they could have easily traded down and got him.
POB OTOH has a lack of heart by all accounts I’ve read. It’s pretty tough to have any athletic talent and be 7+ footer and not see PT, but POB has managed to do so and got booted here in less than 1 season.
BTW, Cowens was voted top 50 all-time which might help provide some perspective. He was probably the greatest hustler the game has seen so far. An animal on the boards.
after the season was over i was looking at the free agents and saw two names that stuck out that could fit our team and budget marvin williams and sheldon williams both nice size strong defenders . williams had a solid rookie season faced a couple injuries then when al jefferson went down he stepped in and was damn near a walking double double the kid can play the reason he has"t been heard of alot is because he backed up josh smith then al jefferson kinda hard to see time like that. after we made the big splash with sheed the uncertainty of powe we needed to get size defense and the ability to finish around the rim paint presence i think we are almost there. all i want now is to sign baby get rid of tony’s contract and horrible game i love scal but thanks and good bye we need that roster spot then for doc to give the young guys some reck walker played well in garbage time and in some quality minutes as well tons of potential giddens is a pierce clone has the potential to have a very similar game and lester hudson can back up rondo i saw the kid play he’s confident and has a game for real also marquis daniels will be a good asset can play potentially 3 positions good slasher horrible shot though and forget marbury he’s out his mind retarded heres to #18 tell kobe run tell that
Bench strength
For some reason I’m not sweating the backup PG situation, cuz it seems like Ainge can get someone serviceable. Let’s say we bring back BBD and get Daniels in a sign and trade and lose Allen and Scal in the process. Then we pick up someone like Lue for backup PG. That’s a very versatile bench IMO. Daniels can play three positions, BBD, Wallace and Shelden can each play two positions. House can (more or less) play both guard slots. Not bad.
Not sure if we will be as deep as Cleveland, but let’s see what happens.
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