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By Bent
One of the buzz phrases of the summer seems to be "Window of Opportunity". For the Celtics, their window of opportunity - or "WOO" as Ric Flair would call it - is apparently closing.
If we are to believe the countless writers that have suggested this, the Celtics have maybe one or two more chances to win a title before the franchise goes into a downward spiral.
So, several questions arise. How long will this window remain open? How long will it take to recover from going into a downward spiral? Can Bent manage to keep this article below 1,000 words?
I'm going to try and find out...
While this team was going through the rebuilding process, one of the most important sites for any Celtics fanatic was the hoopshype salaries page. Color co-ordinated, it set out the salary cap position over the next few years so that the most seasoned Never-Lose-Hopers could instantly tell, at a glance, who was tradeable, when a guy's contract became more valuable than he himself was and at what stage it was realistic to expect an impact move.Since those impact moves were made, at the right time, that page has become somewhat redundant. The Celtics would be well over the cap for the next few years and it would be up to the owners to decide what moves were worth paying the luxury tax for.
What we need now, is some sort of color-coded WOO page, so that you can tell at a glance when a team has peaked, when one window closes another looks set to open. Are there guys on this team that are past their best? Sure. Are there guys who have yet to reach their full potential? Youbetcha.
When Boston acquired Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, most experts seemed to agree that the Celtics' cupboard would soon be bare once Garnett, Pierce and Allen started to depart one by one.
We've already seen a dress rehearsal for the early stages of this downward spiral, as Kevin Garnett was (temporarily, thankfully) gone at the end of last season and the team strived to defend their title without him. Look what happened. Rondo stepped up, as he had seen Pierce, Allen and Garnett do for each other on so many occasions during the championship season. Glen Davis and Kendrick Perkins were able to hold their own in the paint, primarily because both had made significant improvements in terms of athleticism over the last two years, another one of the perks (no pun intended) of working with a team playing at a championship level. Had the likes of Pierce, Powe and Allen been fully fit, another title was not beyond the realms of possibility. So maybe the Celtics can remain a contender once their three big guns start to walk back out through "that door". Perhaps Rondo will continue to develop so that his contribution - not just his salary - replaces that of the first of them to leave.
Recent history tells us that if an NBA team loses a great player, they aren't often able to replace them with someone of equivalent status. The Lakers recovered from losing Shaq eventually, but it took some time and a lot of luck. Just from looking around the Eastern Conference, the Pacers, Sixers and Nets have still yet to replace Miller, Iverson and Kidd.
Perhaps the most pertinent example of all is the original Big Three. It took forever to replace those guys, although that was at least partially attributable to the tragic death of Reggie Lewis, who was that team's equivalent of Rondo as heir apparent. It is worth pointing out, however, that Ainge suggested to Red Auerbach that one of that original Big Three should be traded to extend their window of opportunity back in the late eighties, so he clearly favored long-term stability over compassion and sentiment even then.
The combined age of Pierce, Allen and Garnett on opening day will be 99. The combined age of the Bird, McHale and Parish when they won the last of their three titles together? 89. However, they still played well over the next few years...and modern athletes can keep going for longer, right?
I recall Bill Simmons complaining when the Celtics acquired Ray Allen, because the only shooting guard other than Michael Jordan to continue to play at a high level into his mid-thirties was Reggie Miller. However, has there been anyone more suitable to compare Ray Allen to than Reggie? Miller averaged 15 points a game as a 39 year old and has played 12,000 more regular season minutes than Allen, who averages less than 3,000 per season.
Kevin Garnett is coming off his first major injury, so it remains to be seen how this affects him. Tim Duncan is a good comparison because they play a similar style and are the same age, although Garnett entered the league two years earlier and almost has an extra 3,000 minutes worth of tread on his tires. Duncan has looked like he's been slowing down for some time now, but that hasn't really affected his productivity.
You never can tell with big men. Will he be more like a Robert Parish (went on to play 11 more years after Garnett's current age of 33, accumulating an additional 10,215 points, 6,856 rebounds and 925 blocks) or a Kevin McHale (number of games started in the 3 years from his 33rd birthday onwards: 10, 1, 0 - and then he retired) or even a Jermaine O'Neal (like one of those life expectancy tests where you add up all the drinking and smoking you've done over the course of your life and realize you should have been finished two years ago)?
Finally, Paul Pierce may be the youngest of the three and the closest to his peak, but then again this may simply mean he is more valuable and could be considered a bargaining chip in a year or two.
For Ainge, the challenge is to pull the trigger at the right time, so he can somehow bridge the gap between this window and the next one. When he took the job, he promised to build a team that would remain in contention year after year, and even managed to keep the team relatively competitive during the five years it took to build a legitimate contender. It's clear Ainge's ultimate goal is to create a situation where one window leads directly into another.
I guess you could call this the Greenhouse Effect.
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great stuff as always Bent
the funny thing is, if Ainge was going to trade one of the big three – I always thought it would be Ray Allen in his expiring contract year
it sounds like he looked at the market and didn’t find what he was looking for
I can’t picture Ainge trading Pierce (or Wyc signing off on that) and I’m not sure we could trade KG even if we wanted to at this point
so my best guess is that we roll with the big three for at least another two years
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
They could only ever get away with trading Pierce to LA, which would have to be the Clippers.
But I doubt it’d happen.
Agreed Jeff
Although it will be interesting to see what type of contract they offer Ray after this season if indeed they do hang onto him. My guess is that he will point to the ’Sheed deal at the very least as a starting point.
by MrTripleDouble10 on Aug 31, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i just dont see us moving KG
he came here from the hellhole that is Minnesota, won us our first championship in years, is the heart and soul of this team even when hes on the sideline. Trading this guy would be a slap in the face in my opinion. Almost like we used him to swing the franchise a championship then kicked him to the curb.
Decent read, not saying anything we already weren't aware of
The only issue I have with this piece (and all of the other similar articles written on this very subject) is that no creative/viable possibilities are presented. It dances around it (i.e. they could trade Pierce, KG, Ray, etc.) but fails to make that leap into what is actually possible.
It’s ok though because everyone that has written a similar article does the exact same thing.
by MrTripleDouble10 on Aug 31, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
the issue I have with this comment...
…is that it makes a criticism and does not provide a solution either.
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
earlier in the summer...
I considered writing an article with various scenarios. for example
if they trade Ray, then…
if they hold onto Ray, then…
but the scope of the variables was far to wide reaching to fairly encapsulate into an article worth reading
so I ditched the idea
but if someone thinks they can do that, feel free
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Guilty as charged
Which is the dichotomy we all have with this topic. It’s the lingering reality that’s in the back of every Celtic fans’ minds, shadowed with thoughts of the post-Original Big Three era.
I’m fully in accordance with Jeff on this topic. There are so many ways it could go, especially since the big 2010 FA bonanza hasn’t happened yet. It makes it so difficult to even present viable solutions because we don’t even know the salary structure, the new CBA, etc. Again, not taking a shot at the author (certainly wasn’t intedned that way) just pointing out that it’s nearly impossible to do.
by MrTripleDouble10 on Aug 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That's entirely reasonable
The article would’ve been too long-winded if I got into all that. I prefer to set it up so that that debate over where they might stand, looking ahead, can happen in the comments.
If it was up to me, I’d keep the team together as long as possible, but I’m too soft. That’s probably why I don’t like to make trade suggestions.
Gotcha
And honestly, I feel the same way. It’s very rare to have the team we have to root for right now. After watching this team be irrelevant for too long, I don’t want it to end with brash trades, etc. That’s why it’s so tough to even come up with good solutions!
by MrTripleDouble10 on Aug 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
“The Lakers recovered from losing Shaq eventually, but it took some time and a lot of luck.”
I agree that every team needs a little luck to win a championship, but don’t say the Lakers latest championship was “a lot of luck.” Kobe is a top 10 player of all time, the trade for Gasol was lucky for them, but his playmaking was not luck. Phil Jackson winning his 10th championship is not luck. Mitch Kupchak did a much better job building a championship team than Ainge in the sense that the team he created can win more longer than just putting all his chips into old players.
The “WOO” for the Celtics is shorter, but Rondo will develop into one of the best PG’s in the game along with Derrick Rose, Derron Williams and Chris Paul and that will help a lot because the league is turning into a “guard-heavy” atmosphere rather than the big man era like in the late 90’s (when Hakeem, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning and Shaq were playing).
Luck...
…in terms of Kobe not leaving, being able to swing the Gasol trade and their toughest match-ups for last season being eliminated for them by the Magic. I think that’s fair.
It always takes a lot of luck to win a title and I’m more than prepared to admit that the Celtics had plenty for their title and will need plenty more to win another.
The ' window ' concept is overblown
since I trust DA will move a portion of the big 3 next off season to bring in some very talented youth.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
NO TRADE of BIG THREE
Situations like this are not for the faint of heart. Trades of the big three are not necessary now It’s way to early to panic. The trades to be made are Tony and Scal not the big three. We have TA at 2.5 million. We have Scal at 3 million. The issue is how do we bring that 5.5 million to help the team. The big three are going to be phased out gradually but in the mean time find use for that 5.5 million.
Ray Allen will be offered a smaller contract around 7 or 8 million, do his usual job and we will win another banner. When Ray is not starting material in about two or three years who better to come off the bench (at about 5 million). That year he might be the six man of the year.
Remember this Rasheed will give you his best if you do not give him your best. Money is not what he plays for its team winning. He retired rather than accept not trying to win. Dumars made a horrible mistake with Flip as head coach of a defensive minded team
Then Dumars trade away Billups for Allen iverson to play Stuckey ….and ruin the whole team I might add. What I’m saying here is if you trade away Ray Allen also trade Rasheed. Because he will not give you his best if you do that. This year he’s going to play just as well as KG if not better. Make no mistake about it he is KG’s equal. This team can be one of the best teams ever. But you cant’ do stupid things like trading Ray Allen.
I think Danny has seen Giddens play lately and realizes there is not much difference between the fragile Mr.Daniels and the current JR Giddens.
What if?
What if back in the ’60’s the Celtics had not gone all the way to the end with Bill Russell and the other geezers around him? There would not have been that memorable championship over the Laker Big Three of Baylor, West, and Chamberlain in 1969.
Good bait doesn't always catch big fish
… I believe Danny has tried to at least trade Allen but the return was not equal to or greater in value. The timing has to be right, the team your dealing with has to have a malcontent star, who is a potential future Hall of Fame candidate and whose contract matches up.
Celtics are more like Macs
They’ll just work and last long.
The BEST POSSIBLE OPTION that is realistic
I am an absolute die-hard Celtics fan. I watched every game when they were the second to worst team in the NBA a few years back. It would seem to me and others that Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce have made plenty of money throughout their careers. With that said, it also seems apparent that they just want to win championships at this point. For the sake of the team, and its future IF the “Big 3” want to finish their careers here and retire with Boston, do you think they would restructure their contracts? Do you think KG could settle with 10mil a year instead of 20? I personally think that YES they would. I believe Pierce has already taken a pay cut but with the current recession would they sacrifice that for the team? With a lot of players in the league, there is not a chance; “Cough: LeBron James” but at this point in the economy and their lives I truely feel that they would take a pay cut, i.e Rasheed (welcome to Boston.)
One other side note. Rondo is/will be in the midst of a contract extension and I heard the numbers $5 years/50 million. He is an all star caliber player and that number is very fair for both parties. Think of Doctors/Lawyers/CEO’s etc. They are able to live their lives without financial stress (in most cases) Professional athletes make way too much money in the first place but need to realize how happy they can be without absurd amounts on money. Thanks for reading my thoughts everyone. Cant wait for the season.
GO GREEN! And try and worry about the environment.
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by FanFromTheChedda on Aug 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions
paul pierce is actually going to be making more money this season than last, but after this year he has a player option and he has said he would restructure his contract so they culd pay rondo keep ray and still have money left over for free agency they shuld go after a guy like steven jackson a 8 million dollar player that is worth every penny of it
The Original Big Three window would have stayed open IF.......
Lenny Bias lived…..he was an animal bounder, tough as nails who could run the floor, bound, finish and shoot….kinda like a Buck Williams, Worthy,MacAdoo combo…..he would have extended the careers of ALL of the Original Big Three and who Knows what could have happened……..Reggie Lewis may not even have been in the equation…check some of his youtube highlights…phenomenal….would’ve challenged JORDAN…too bad..still haven’t gotten over it

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