The Celtics received some good news on second-round draft choice Lester Hudson, who sustained a broken finger during the Orlando Summer Pro League last month. He is expected to return to training in three weeks, according to agent Lance Young.
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Nice
With all our damn injuries last year this is good news.
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by kheeko on Aug 4, 2009 6:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by crabchowdah on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny.... This is for you!!!
Just think of Billups and Joe Johnson on our team now. We let them go without a chance. Can you name a guy on any Celtics team who will go on to the Hall of Fame who the Celtics traded at the beginning of his career? That guy just led Denver to the playoffs and has won two Championships with Detriot. So the point being. Give this kid Lester a chance. If he had gone to a school like North Carolina and came out two years ago he would of been right up there with Rose. And please tell Doc to give this kid a chance unlike he did with Pruitt.
by caveman2 on Aug 4, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Billups won 1 championship in Detroit, not 2. He’s not bound for the HOF. Neither is JJ.
Billups took 5 years to develop. That’s way too long to expect a team to wait for a player to show their worth. Fans never would have been that patient.
JJ is another story. That was a matter of the wrong prospect being traded and the wrong being kept (Kedrick). Anyone watching the two of them that year could see JJ had some skills but hit the rookie wall whereas Kedrick showed nothing.
I’m all for giving Hudson a chance. Danny’s draft history suggests he may have found another golden nugget at the bottom of the pile. Comparing him to Billups and JJ though makes no sense.
by slamtheking on Aug 4, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping the wrong prospect
That may be a bigger example of what the Celtics are looking at now with JR and Bill. Hopefully that resolves well.
by BigRedDog42 on Aug 4, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billups
Ok! Your right about one championship. My mistake. So what if Billups took five years. How many years did Reggie Lewis take? He did not even play the first couple of years. Billups will definitely go to the Hall. You will tell me I am right about that someday. The Celtics screwed up big time with CB and JJ. I have this argument with my friends about trading Billups straight up for Rondo last year. I would do it in a heart beat. Rondo has the worst foul shooting of any point guard in the league.
I am not comparing Lester to Billups and JJ. I am only saying don’t let him get away without at least giving him a chance.
by caveman2 on Aug 4, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't give everyone a chance
There are countless prospects out there. You can’t give them all a chance. Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of Orien Greenes and POBs!
Your argument is so one-sided. You completely ignore all the players we give a chance who end up being a wasted roster spot.
It is also bizarre that anyone would compare one of the last players drafted to a number 3 pick.
by guava_wrench on Aug 4, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello Mr Negativity
Let’s just give no one a chance. Dude, what’s your point?
Are you even making a point?
Lester could be amazing. He was incredible in college. Of course he should get a chance. Just like people should get a chance to make blog posts.
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his point was pretty clear.
that caveman was ignoring the fact that it is easy to remember the players we’ve traded away that have “potential” while ignoring the players we’ve kept because of their potential as well. The Chauncey trade was a hasty move, but it was under this management. The JJ trade is certainly regretable. but it helped us in the “here and now” that year. I just don’t think either of those players should be compared to Hudson.
“Just like people should get a chance to make blog posts.” … no one is paying you a lot of money to make blog posts. look, i’m all for bringing Hudson into training camp. I definitely think he deserves atleast that much, and I’d love him to make the roster.
I was just thinking about how I felt Lester would KILL IT in the NBDL and that it’d be sweet to watch him play up in Portland, he might lead the NBDL in scoring this year for real! But I’m not willing to just blindly allow him a roster spot and a contract based on the fact that “everyone deserves a chance”, and He could be amaizing". This isn’t middle school basketball were even the fat kid who’s slightly retarded gets to play cus his parents are in the stands! This is the NBA and a Championship Caliber team. I think the Leon Powe situation is a perfect example of how the Celtics are a business and that business is geared towards producing championships, not feel good stories.
Don’t feel bad for Hudson, no matter what happens he’ll be making more then 99% of us CB’s next year, whether in the NBA, NBDL or Europe, and if he goes to Europe don’t we still retain his rights?
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should read "not under this management"
I need to proof read my posts haha
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I said was give him a chance, not a huge contact and a roster spot.
Somehow you make my point by arguing against it?
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leston Hudson no Billups / Johnson
Two different arguments going on here.
1. Of course we should give him a chance, otherwise why bother drafting him
2. Billups and Johnson were both lottery picks who were projected to be stars from day 1 but took a little time to develop. We didn’t let them go, we traded them for veteran talent. Granted, they were crappy trades in the long term but it’s not like we waived them. Hudson is a fringe 2nd round pick from a small school. Hardly comparable. Also, guys like Kedrick Brown, Orien Greene, Jerome Moiso, Tony Allen, all got tons of chances and never turned into stars. It’s not like you can just keep 20 guys. You are forced to keep some and drop some.
by BrianY on Aug 4, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I wasn’t arguing with you stevenfuzz.
I explaining that I understood what guava was trying to say, after you said he had no point.
I want to give hudson a chance, and agree with your, he was a good college player lets see if it translates to the NBA logic, but not your lets be all fair and equal in this world with your “Of course he should get a chance. Just like people should get a chance to make blog posts.” logic. Equating bringing someone to training camp with CB’s freedom to post on this blog is about as asinine a comparison as CB’s + JJ’s trades equating to the Lester Hudson “should he come to training camp” conundrum.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even know what I meant. I give up. I’m so bored without basketball.
I re-read the caveman2 post, and, now I’m just hung up on him wanting to get Billups back for Rondo.
I don’t agree with that, at all, really.
White flag.
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
I’ve been watching games tivo’d from the 2008 playoffs recently.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Are Not In Player Development Mode
With the Celtics current situation we need players who will help us win NOW. We aren’t playing for the future. Thus, if a guy like Hudson shows he can play (in practice) then I’m sure Doc will give him some real playing time. If he can’t cut it in practice then he won’t play. It’s Doc’s job to win now. Several years ago his job was to develop players.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
by TrueGreen on Aug 4, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I doubt Doc will give Lester a chance this year. This belief that if people play well in practice that Doc will put them into the rotation is off. Doc wanting to win now eliminates the opportunity for younger players unless of course there are a lot of injuries. But even then, Doc won’t give the chance with this team. Lester may get his chance, but I think the door will open partially in his second year. . . . if he’s still here.
by amenhotep04 on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that kind of contradictory
you’re saying doc wants to win now … but that he won’t play the individuals that are performing the best in practice because of it??
that doesn’t make sense. if he wants to win now he would play those players who were performing the best.
Maybe your post was to point out that very thing, and to say that you think he should do that but doesn’t and that it doesn’t make sense to you why he wouldn’t, but your two points seem to be in opposition of each other the way it was worded. So I’m not even quit sure if that was your point, or not.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may come as a big shock to some, but coaches often fail to realize which of their players are performing best in practice. People usually see what they expect to see, and latch on to anything they think confirms the opinions they already hold.
Who among us haven’t been with a team where the coach wasn’t seeing somebody else’s talent for what it was? It’s one of the older stories around.
by no kidding on Aug 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not saying I disagree
I was just trying to figure out what exactly amenhotep was saying. I assumed it was exactly that. Just he didn’t word it clearly.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I understood him fine; but yes, a lot of us tend to comment in short-hand, since we’ve made the same general points so many times before. (The off-season gets a bit long.)
by no kidding on Aug 4, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poorly Articulated
Sorry that my poorly articulated point stirred up even this much. My point is that we are not developing players. By playing well in practice I meant it might give Hudson a chance to play some meaningful minutes. I should have expanded that those meaningful minutes are minutes that would help the Celtics win a game. Or maybe I should say that if he does get in he needs to play close to the level of Rondo. To MaineBleedsGreen, in way of explanation, I was referring only to Hudson and players who haven’t already proven themselves. KG, PP, Ray, etc don’t need to play well in practice. We know what they can do. Again, I apologize for the poor articulation and I don’t know if this clears things up, but it’s probably not that important anyway. And I think we’re all chomping at the bit.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
by TrueGreen on Aug 4, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a diamond in the rough
He’s undersized, but so is Eddie House. Put up huge numbers in college.
by Surferdad on Aug 4, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed Good News i hope he get’s a chance.
And then proofs he can play.
Dutch Celtic Pride
by Nowee on Aug 4, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well do we really think boston
is going to keep 5 SG on the roster? if hudson wants to make this team it has to be as a PG
by celticinorlando on Aug 4, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
Hudson is more of a pg than eddie house is, so i think he has a decent shot…
by jdpapa3 on Aug 4, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I see the relevance of comparing him to House. House already fills a role on the team. We don’t need another House. We need a real backup PG on the roster, even if they don’t play most games.
by guava_wrench on Aug 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Hudson more of a SG?
I don’t know his game well, so I’m asking. I REALLY hope not. Where have all of the facilitators gone? Its the biggest reason I love watching Rondo on this team.. he passes first and pushes the offense for other players.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 4, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather give him a chance at least through the pre-season
and then if he shows something, give him a spot on the roster. Com’n Larry, Tony would earn time on your team!
by clover on Aug 4, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Europe
That’s where he’s going because Pruitt’s spot will be taken by a veteran backup pg. Hudson is not a pg.
by Brickowski on Aug 4, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not a PG
he may not be a PG but he could be kept around to see if he develops into another Eddie House but one that can create his own shot. That would be worth keeping him around at the end of the bench. 15th player on a team shouldn’t be someone counted on for a contribution —> purely developmental. Why not see what this kid has got if he at least shows something in camp.
by slamtheking on Aug 4, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another case of an agent reporting that his player's recovery from an injury is "ahead of schedule."
Let me know if an agent ever reports his player is behind schedule.
by no kidding on Aug 4, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea, but
I understand that agents do this all the time, but how could a finger recovery even be behind schedule? This injury is not a bother at all: it’s on his left hand anyways…he should be fine.
by jdpapa3 on Aug 4, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"How could a finger recovery even be behind schdeule?"
It’s hard to imagine there are many athletes who haven’t had an injury that took longer to recover from than they expected, or from which they never recovered. Take Larry Bird. He mangled his shooting hand in a softball game shortly before entering the NBA. He never fully recovered from it, and always felt it affected his shooting.
And for the record, my right pinky finger has never recovered from being dislocated in a basketball game twenty years ago. And the back joint of my left thumb has never been the same after playing catcher during junior high baseball.
by no kidding on Aug 4, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A broken finger is slightly different than an ACL tear.
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, a broken finger is not an ACL tear, thankfully for Hudson. But a busted finger can make a would-be ball-handling combo guard look awful ragged.
by no kidding on Aug 4, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear...
hope he gets a shot to make the team.
by Mike-Dub on Aug 4, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great! Let's see what he can do
There should be some blowout games that he can come in on. I liked watching Pruitt when Doc put him in, if only because I could verify that he wasn’t the future backup we need. At the least I want to SEE Hudson play in the nba to be able to make a judgement about him.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great.
Now bring in someone that is an actual NBA player. If Hudson beat him out for a spot, great. If not, oh well.
Celtics do not need another version of Allen Ray/Gabe Pruitt.
by Wide Load on Aug 4, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God forbid we got another version of Ray Ray, that would be disastrous. The Celtics don’t need any more lock down shooters.
I mean we already lost the majestic Gabe Pruit (equal if not way better than Ray).
I say don’t give Lester Hudson a chance. I haven’t seen him much, but I just like the sound of myself sounding like a angry 5 year old.
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allan Ray, not Ray Allen
Different guy.
Earth to 5 year-old: we have limited roster spots. Somebody always gets cut that you wouldn’t mind keeping around. Yes, we should give the guy a chance, but sometimes you have to make a decision sooner than later.
by BrianY on Aug 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson is a volume shooter
I saw little to no PG skills in this guy. Maybe he can become a poor man’s Eddie House..
by BWC on Aug 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When have you seen him play?
Summer league, without practice or plays, for like 2 games (and limited minutes)?
Or did you watch him in college when he was schooling everyone and was the one real scoring option on his team? You can’t pass to yourself.
by stevenfuzz on Aug 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can run the point and has
the kid is nice saw him play he is super confident not timid like gabe and can run the point i think he can run backup just fine. If doc had’nt been forced to play rondo he never would have doc does’nt play rookies like that . a lot of coaches don’t if shannon brown can run backup in la la land hudson can give us 10 in boston. also hated the joe johnson , forte for delk and rogers trade myself but at the time we thought we were going to the finals loved rogers and delks game but we could have givin then keidrick brown and joe forte
by reggie_35 on Aug 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pointless conversation
Hudson is such a reach to be an NBA player, it’s amusing that he’s even discussed. the only reason why danny choose him is because they had not choice but to pick somebody.
Wyc is not going to needlessly pay someone with no applicable NBA skill or experience. There’s probably 5 guys int eh d-league more logically than the 24 year old protege from UTM.
He’s either going to Europe or the Cs will cut ties with him.
by ssspence on Aug 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
I’m all for giving guys a chance. I mean, why not if you can? But I do find it comical that Hudson is getting this much attention. I guess if we had a 1st rounder this year Hudson would suddenly suck…!
by BrianY on Aug 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well lately the guys coming out of the first ound are usally hit or miss, whos to say that a second rounder cant amount to anything. Im for giving him a chance, it will not happen because doc will not teach a guy to compete in the nba while on a winning team, if he does have any talent u have no chance to prove urself because there is not enough minutes to go around, doc will put eddie at point b4 hudson.
by celtics94 on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Lester Hudson can create his own shot and shoot 3’s almont as good as House. There is also another rookie that is invited to camp (played at Tennessee) that shoots 3’s just as good as House. This guy played in Europe last year. He was not drafted last year because he had testicular cancer. His production fell off and he never revealed he had cancer. After one year in Europe Danny invited him to camp…cancer is gone…did I say his all around game is better than Hudson’s and he broke the summer league 3 point scoreing record.
by tyquinton on Aug 4, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
summer league records really dont mean anything, so many players dominate in summer league and dont amount to anything, the players that break all those records are the guys that dont work out becuase they need the ball all the time to score, but in the nba a rookie that is drafted outside of top 20 will nevr get that chance
by celtics94 on Aug 4, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now i'm intrigued atleast
who is the cancer man?
what’s his name?
is he the next lance armstrong?
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 4, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hudson will nevr be able to get his own shot in the nba, at best he will be a eddie house type player only more athletic
by celtics94 on Aug 4, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll Get His Shot
But no one else will. This guy Hudson is Iversonesque (in the bad sense).
But he defends, I’ll give him that.
by Brickowski on Aug 4, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i rather have marbury, just for the simple fact he wont kill himself i feel bad 4 the guy hes a mess haha
by celtics94 on Aug 4, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a good defender i dont kno why people r so hard on marbury he played well for sitting for a year to me, he saved our playoff lives against orlando to me thats good enough to give him another chance, rather thantake a chance on hudson, or could they sign them both and baby n waive giddens/walker ther really the same player no sense in having both
by celtics94 on Aug 4, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a poor mans eddie house?
Love eddie he’s fire from the arc but he is what he is come off the screen shooter he can’t dribble and cant create if you have’t seen him play he has way above average handle and a very respectable shot the kid had a quadruple double in college the kid is official but probably won’t make the team but i am rootin 4 him
by reggie_35 on Aug 4, 2009 6:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
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