Daniels Deal Likely Done This Week
by Jeff Clark on Aug 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT
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PrintThe Herald is churning out the reports. Here's the latest:
The Celtics also want to wrap up business with free agent swingman Marquis Daniels by the end of the week. They had hoped to arrange a sign-and-trade deal with Indiana - in part to give Daniels a heftier salary, and in part to move guard Tony Allen. But Pacers president Larry Bird, who is attempting to change a pattern of bad off-court behavior associated with Indiana, was said to be staunchly opposed to bringing on the troubled Allen.
The Celtics have not found a third team to help facilitate a sign-and-trade arrangement with the Pacers, meaning that Daniels will most likely sign for the $1.9 million biannual exception. He has made a verbal commitment to join the Celtics - either by a sign-and-trade deal or for the biannual exception.
The report also indicates that Big Baby may be getting a player option on a 3rd year.
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Not exactly "Finally!"
It’s more like, “Reportedly, close to near-finally, maybe.”
too bad
it looks like we can’t get rid of TA, which means there is always the chance that Doc will insert him into the game during crunch time for “defensive purposes”
Why are you quoting the same article multiple times and telling us “the Herald is churning out the reports”?
I don't think I did
they have multiple posts up on the Insider blog
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
It seems Bird wanted Scal instead of TA
but Ainge wants to keep Scal as a 5th big, and also as a valuable chip at the trade deadline.
For the C’s, Bowen would be better than TA but that’s probably won’t happen now.
with Baby and Williams in the fold
Scal’s the 6th big, and becomes expendable.
TA still has value has an injury replacement for Ray/Paul/Daniels/House. Bowen is D-O-N-E.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
you underestimate scal's towel waving
and when he warms up on the exercise bike (even though he doesn’t enter the game) it drives the crowd wild
Also
You’re undersestimating Scal’s defense and basketball IQ and that if he gets consistent minutes he can spread the floor and hit three’s. Scal’s did a great job of subbing for KG until the concussions came along.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I cant believe theyd give Baby a 3rd year player option
He has no leverage, why give him a PO?
Because it's probably reasonably priced--just like the rest of the contract
And Baby can exercise it if he feels he’s not likely to do much better on the open market.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you, makes no sense
So he could realistically get obese again and pickup his 3rd year. Although, in all likelihood he’ll get out of shape until partway through that 3rd year. DA had the leverage.. I don’t get it.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
well theoretically, it could be a result of BBD’s unhappiness. Judging from news reports, BBD isn’t going to be coming back to boston happy as it is. By giving him the player option, maybe danny’s way of trying to put a band aid over the splintered relationship.
this has been on of the ugliest off seasons i’ve seen in a while, first with LO, and now with BBD. Not to mention David Lee, Hedo, Millsap. And the fact that iverson, stackhouse, and marbury, 3 premier players 8 years ago can’t find work anymore
Iverson and Marbury
can’t find work cause of the attitude/off-the-court behavior which makes it even sadder.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
to make him happy?
That’s junk. If he’s not happy with the contract then he should take the one offered by another team… … oh wait, there is no other offer! You don’t throw in a player option to make someone happy if you don’t have to. Call me crazy, but I’m not sold on his sudden “motivation”.
After his “breakout” playoff performance, he certainly will not be happy only getting a few minutes a game behind rasheed, and alongside sheldon/scal, etc. His attitude is going to be a brewing storm that I’m sure he’ll vent about at some point. Mark my words, he’ll think he should be getting more minutes, and will speak vocally about it. Could you picture Scal or Sheldon doing that? No, not at all. Here’s to hoping he won’t be a drama queen the next two seasons.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 8, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Baby'll be fine
Regardless of what you heard, there will be minutes to go around at the 4/5 spots. I expect Baby will be 18 min. per game by the time the playoffs begin…playing behind Wallace and KG will continue to foster his development. I also expect Baby to unveil a pretty effective corner 3 next season…
Your ‘concerns’ over Baby grousing about minutes are as unfounded as the rest of your reasoning…we get, you don’t like the guy.
The 3rd year player option, you can be rest assured, is at a figure advantageous to the Cs—Baby will exercise it if he believes he can do better on the open market. Considering he thought he could do much better on the open market this summer, you can assume he’s going to think the same in 2 years, especially with 2 years more improvement and 2 more playoff runs to build on…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 8, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on 3rd year reasoning, but 18 no way
The year we won the playoffs baby didn’t get any minutes. Granted he has improved, but not by huge margins. In addition, instead of PJ brown and other backups (who didn’t play big minutes) we now have rasheed and others. I don’t see baby getting 18 minutes / game avg in the regular season (unless there are a ton of blowouts), and I don’t see him even getting 10 / game in the playoffs.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 8, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good response, but...
Regarding the minutes at the 4/5, instead of projecting them on a per game basis, it’s more accurate to project them on a per season basis. There are a total of 7872 minutes at the 4/5 spots over the course of the season. For the past 2 seasons, KG has averaged 2065 minutes per season, Perk has averaged 2082.5 minutes per season, and Wallace has averaged 2234.5 minutes per season. That adds up to 6382 minutes per season for all 3—leaving 1490 minutes left over at the 4/5 spots for the 4th big, or roughly 18 minutes per game. Those will be Baby’s minutes, I assume.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 8, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
nice math
but a few contentions:
-hopefully KG doesn’t get injured and is able to play more minutes as a whole.
-You’re assuming Sheldon & Scal combine for 0 minutes. You and I both know Doc won’t have that lol.
-Come playoff time I fully expect, and hope, that Sheed/Perk/KG all play more minutes per game than they did in the regular season.
by TomHamilton30 on Aug 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Third Year Player Option
Supposing this is all true it is probably something Baby wants and was part of the negotiations. If Baby improves he becomes a free agent (unrestricted) and can test the market. If Baby improves tremendously Danny could sign him as a free agent or even offer him an extension at the end of the second year if warranted. This is okay for both sides.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I cna't understand some of the Comments
If you read most of the posts for the past 2-3 months about BBD, it’s been of woo is us, BBD is going to get a 5M per year deal and we’ll lose him for nothing. Now it appears we are going to sign him, to a contract of Danny’s liking and because we are giving him a players option it’s a bad thing. Could someone explain that, cuz the logic, or should I say the lack of logic, escapes me. If he has 2 great years, which is the best option we now have his Bird Rights. And I agree he’ll get minutes (15-18), some at C, PF and maybe even some at SF. With age and Perks shoulder they maybe some injuries too. So now we have good depth and muscle up front.
Further, BBD will be another chip that Danny can trade this year, next or the year after, I’m not sure of how BYC applies to him, I believe it’s different than due to the dollar figure, although I could be wrong. I’ve seen several references to only a 90 day BYC restriction which would mean that before the trade deadline we’d have 10+M that we could use for another player. And there will be players available at the deadline – rent a player – that might put us over the top.
Lastly, I’m not worried about not having money for a backup PG; Rajon is going to play 34-38 mins, that leaves 10-14 mins for the backup. There are plenty pg PGs out there that will only get the Vet min, Lue, Knight, Carter to name a few. And if Daniels and House share the PG role for the 2nd unit with PP or Ray they should be able to get the job done.
I know there's a Cap Penalty if we release a player
Does anyone know the specifics of the penalty if we just released TA??
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
career ending injury?
Can he just pay a couple of doctors to say that he has a mental injury that is career ending?
Sure. His full salary still counts against the cap...
Furthermore, Celtics can’t trade him if they waive him. No reason to waive him.
About time!
I’d like to move Tony Allen to get Marquis but either way I’m just glad he’s joining the C’s.
now that big baby n marquis r signing we realyl have no money left for a backup point except for a trade which aparently isnt gettin done, so were gonna have tod deal with eddie, pierce, marquis, to help bring up the ball. Paul can run the offense prob better than any1 else on the court other than rondo
PP is the backup pg ???
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
We saw how that worked out last season
PP is the captain, but we can’t expect him to be the main scoring threat for the First Unit and the the Point Forward for the second unit. He was so tired at the end of the playoffs, and now he’s a year older. We’re just asking for trouble there.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
That had more to do with the amount of minutes he was playing rather than the role he was playing. He did extremely well as our point-forward during the playoffs a year ago, when we won the championship.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray is probably better...
…than house at point. Why doesn’t he play? PP and Ray at point. Daniels at center, and perk and shooting guard. Solved.
Or, we get a backup point guard.
Not sure why everyone wants to get rid of those expiring contracts so bad
If we hold them, along with Ray’s contract, we’ll actually have money to spend in next season’s cash crop. Why take on a couple of so-so talent for a 1/2 season this year, when we can use that money to get a decent young(er) talent next season?
We’re real solid as is, and barring major injuries which force us into a deal, we are in a better spot if we hold those chips. Danny loves stockpiling pieces, and just because he’s cashed a lot of them in the past couple of seasons, doesn’t meant he has forgotten the value of patience. I think this off-season has shown that characteristic a little bit.
9 + 20 + 34 + 5 + 43 = 17
I disagree
We need to move Tony or whoever else asap. With Mikki and Steph, we saw the liability of expecting players to come in mid-season and learn a new system right before the playoffs.
Our Frontcourt is solid. Out backcourt is still concerning.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Completely false. The expiring contracts won’t give us a ton of money that we can use next year. At best, it’ll help us negotiating with Rondo. We’re not going under the cap. We’ll have the same financial resources as we might’ve had otherwise to offer other free-agents.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Allen
I believe this is the last year of his contract and it’s about 2 mill. Who knows what will happen going forward. The thing is we no longer need to depend on TA so he can be in a suit all year. He does have the ability to help this team, maybe he’ll get it this year, but I’m not waiting. Right now we have a real good team and we can still make trades. I agree that I don’t want to see trades at the trade deadline because of need (for the playoffs).
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
No
Not if you mean LeBron, Wade and that caliper. Ray Allen’s in his last year of his contract and that can free up some money, but not enough for what those guys will be asking.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
I don't see the problem, Larry...
I’ve already traded Quis’ for TA in 2K9 and it’s going great.
Oh and Sheed has one nasty turn around fade away 16-footer, still, at least according to my ps3.
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