Final Puzzle Pieces
Finally, the roster is taking shape. There were a number of unanswered questions lingering for the last several weeks, but with Shelden Williams locked up, Big Baby close to re-signing, and the Marquis Daniels situation wrapping up soon, we've got some closure on those questions. So there is some measure of relief that is only natural to feel as a Celtic fan. However, I wouldn't celebrate too much yet. There are some details left to work out.
The reason the Marquis Daniels situation has dragged on so long is because Danny was looking to find a better way to get him into town. Barring a last minute deal, both sides will have to settle for giving him the Bi-Annual Exception. Daniels might insist on fewer years or player options if he can't get the money he's looking for, meaning he might walk next year. Obviously Danny was looking for an easy way to get Tony Allen off the roster, since he hasn't been able to rise to the occasion on the multiple opportunities he's gotten.
If the team is really still interested in Bruce Bowen, somethings got to give. Davis and Daniels take us to 14 roster spots taken and we still haven't addressed the point guard spot. We'll have Ray Allen, Eddie House, JR Giddens, Tony Allen, and Marquis Daniels who can all play the 2 spot. I only see Bowen being added if Tony or another one of those guys leaves town.
All signs point to us bringing Davis back at a reasonable contract for a limited number of years.
Update: We have more details from the Herald on the Davis deal.
Davis agreed to a two-year contract worth approximately $6.3 million, including a starting point of approximately $3 million next season. He was here today, and may take a physical Monday before officially signing the deal.
So no worries there. Except that we know Ainge was exploring sign-and-trade deals. We might have been able to turn Davis into a player or two that might have had more value than Davis alone so there's a bit of an opportunity lost there. Still, Ainge didn't get what he was looking for, so Davis is a good fit to bring back for another few years. Besides, if teams are still interested in Davis there's always the trade deadline.
Finally, you have to consider the cap implications of all these free agent signings with no contracts going elsewhere. Celtics Hub does the math for me (scratch that - I'll do it myself) If I'm doing the math right, that means our salaries add up to $83.9M. The luxury tax threshold is $69.9M. That means that the C's are paying $14M in taxes for a total cost of $98M.
True, it isn't my money or yours, but consider this. As it stands the team still has Scalabrine and Tony Allen on expiring contracts. Will the team be willing to make a move at the trade deadline if it means locking in more tax dollars in current and future years? Or will Ainge be encouraged to dump one or two of those salaries for 2nd round draft picks somewhere along the line to reduce the tax hit?
Still, as I've mentioned before Ainge has built us a solid bench headed into the season. We desperately needed frontcourt depth and we landed perhaps the best frontcourt option available in Rasheed. Now we've added Shelden Williams and are apparently bringing Baby back. Toss Scal in the mix and you've got a nice bench rotation there.
We also needed to give Pierce some more rest, and Daniels should be able to handle that job. Now we just need to fill the backup point position and we should be just about done for the summer. Well, about as "done" as Ainge will ever be. I'm sure he's not going to turn the cell phone off anytime soon.
I do expect to see Hudson and probably Robert Swift get invited to training camp, but most likely on non-guaranteed contracts. As the summer drags on, the remaining free agents are going to start lowering their expectations and settling for the last few roster spots available. I've heard it said that there will be fewer roster spots available for fringe free agents because many teams will stop at 13 roster spots instead of the max of 15.
There's always a chance that we may have to wait for training camp before picking up that point guard. Every year teams have situations come out of the blue causing them to cut someone they otherwise wouldn't.
It is good that we are finally getting some resolution to the roster. Some things worked out great (getting Sheed, bringing Baby back at a reasonable cost), some things worked out ok (Daniels for the Bi-Annual), and some things haven't gone as well as we'd have liked (missed on Grant Hill and Moon, no sign & trades). But all in all not a bad haul.
I think we're clearly a better team than we were last year and you could make the argument that we're better than the title team on paper. But all that matters is if we're better than the competition, and the competition didn't exactly take a step back.
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2nd post!
With BBD coming back here, I don’t see who we could do a three-team deal with to get Daniels here on and keep the BAE for possibly a backup PG.
But, it’s good to know BBD will be back, and Daniels will be in Green one way or another.
by Tai on Aug 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree that a sign and trade seems extremely unlikely.
The only problem is we will now have to work to sign a backup wing next season.
by guava_wrench on Aug 8, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuzzy Math
That luxury tax math goes a little overboard. The reason people talk about contracts counting for twice their value is because OF the tax, not because that IS the tax.
The tax is dollar-for-dollar. The Celtics bill will be $14M, with the total payroll costs at $98M. Still big money, but not quite so big.
This is what you get for stealing someone else’s test answer, Jeff.
by JudsonMerrill on Aug 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He didn't do the simple addition correctly
69M + 28M = 111M?
Jeff, I’m disappointed. : (
by Tai on Aug 8, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaarrrgghhhhh
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Aug 8, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fixed
I think
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Aug 8, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTH
That looks like 97M to me – The last time I check 69 +20 = 89 and then when you add 89 + 8 = 97. Where did you get $111M. I also check Hoopshype Salary page and come up with about 83-84M depending on BBD and Daniels exact figures plus 14 or 15M tax = 98M. Which is close to Jeffs figure.
by badax33 on Aug 9, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t wait for the team’s training camp.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
by wild-a on Aug 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troubled
Glad to see BBD here. My big concern for this team in the off season was at the 4-5 positions. Easily improved, and the best depth we’ve had there in 20+ years. I’m happy with the Daniels acquisition. I am concerned though about continuity with the second unit. If Doc rotates like he did last year (which I hope he doesn’t), we’d have Eddie, Daniels, Sheed, and BBD playing together, but who is the fifth? How is the floor spread? To me there just seems to be weakness offensively here. Defensively, this unit should be pretty good, especially for a second unit. But I could see this second unit standing around a lot on offense. I wish we could have lost TA and kept Gabe.
by amenhotep04 on Aug 8, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, in a back-handed way.
2nd unit weak offensively? One could argue that House, Sheed, Daniels, and BBD (no offense Mr. Sheed) are better offensively than defensively. House has one of the quickest triggers in the game. Daniels is a scoring combo-guard. BBD never met a mid-range jumper he didn’t like. Those guys can score when given the opportunity. Defenisvely though, BBD has the size but not the length to stop some Cs and long PFs, but not quite enough quickness to stay with Rashard lewis type of PFs. House is undersized at the 2, and while he has the quickness to stay with the better PGs, he certainly isn’t going to be stopping them or picking their pockets. Daniels isn’t going to be a DPY candidate, and the bigger SFs will cause him fits. Can you see his lanky frame at 6’6" stopping Pierce? Sheed is the only bonafide defender in that group.
You’re right though, for a 2nd unit, they are pretty good. With that in mind though, I see their offense far outshining their defense. I guess my point is that is a pretty damn good 2nd unit.
9 + 20 + 34 + 5 + 43 = 17
by Rondo'd on Aug 8, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That unit plus TA
House
TA
Daniels
BBD
Sheed
Might be what Doc runs sometimes. In principle, House would be the PG, which isn’t so terrible. However, that’s if all 5 starters are resting which isn’t going to happen unless it’s a blowout. So add Pierce and take away TA moves Daniels over to the 2 spot where he can defend a SG rather than a SF.
by Surferdad on Aug 9, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
And the way Doc substitutes, at least the past 3 or 4 seasons, is to leave at least one starter out their with the 2nd unit. The only time we usually ever see 5 bench players is when we are blowing someone out…late.
9 + 20 + 34 + 5 + 43 = 17
by Rondo'd on Aug 8, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many 3 pt shooters do we need?
People keep bringing up the “spacing the floor” argument. How many 3pt shooters do we need on the floor? We have plenty of offensive options off the bench.
by guava_wrench on Aug 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right GW, but that wasn’t where I was going with that. I was thinking more along the lines of each player having somewhat of a definitive role. Eddie, Sheed, and BBD can hit shots. But who gets them the ball? Who is leading the offense?
I agree with the point that Rondo’d is making about the individual attributes of the players. But you know as well as anyone the team concept of play. Right now I just don’t see a continuity maker with the second unit. Of course, it’s pure speculation on my part. We’ll know come the Fall. I’m just afraid the second unit will stand around on offense. And of course I have more faith in their defensive prowess than Rondo’d is giving them. And I’m evaluating the second unit as though they are the starters, that is unfair as well.
by amenhotep04 on Aug 8, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it somewhat our money that pays for the salaries?
I mean we did pay for the victory parade, and buying merch and tickets probably goes to a percentage of the salaries.
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
by Champzilla on Aug 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but I don’t think we necessarily have to pay more if the owner has to pay tax – then again, if ticket prices go up…
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Aug 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
atleast celtic tickets are cheaper than red sox tickets for now, knock on wood.
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
by Champzilla on Aug 8, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the team is in the red this season, then we are not paying the salaries. Considering the current economy and the problems the team has moving luxury boxes, there seems to definitely be a possibility.
by guava_wrench on Aug 8, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As soon as Ainge acquired Rasheed, it was a good off-season.
Getting Wallace significantly improved the Celtics, even before getting Daniels and Williams and resigning Davis.
I still would rather have gotten Gortat. But if everyone stays healthy (always a big if) then the addition of Wallace alone should be enough to get the Celtics into the Finals.
by no kidding on Aug 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Getting Gortat was impossible.
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 8, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope we keep Hudson
Hope he forces the team to sign him by his play. He is better than getting some soft PG in the future. He is tough and can rebound at that position like Rondo can. That would be tough to beat.
My biggest fear is we may lose Giddens or Walker and they have a break out year with their new team
by Staubach on Aug 8, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we start a poll on wether we think Baby dunked or not in the photo?
by BudweiserCeltic on Aug 8, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This bench is sick
Last year our front court was our biggest weakness, especially since KG and Powe got hurt in the playoffs. We took the Magic to game 7 with Mikki Moore,.. MIKKI MOORE. Yes, the Magic didn’t have jameer nelson. However, this season I feel the celtics have gotten a lot better (if 100% healthy) and the Magic have basically stayed somewhat the same talent wise. They lose Hedo, Lee, Alston and gain Carter, Bass, Barnes and Jameer Nelson healthy. We lose Moore, Pruitt, Starbury (not including Powe because he didn’t play in the series) and gain: KG healthy, Rasheed, Daniels, Williams. We have clearly gotten better in a lot of areas.
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
by Champzilla on Aug 8, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Ryan Anderson.
Standing up for the little People
PS: I am actually from Boston.
by Champzilla on Aug 8, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando didn't keep up with the C's
But Cleveland made some big moves. My hope is that Boston’s moves turn out to be much better.
by VtCeltics on Aug 9, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando's miz is not proven...
The Cavs mix is much more proven than the Magic… The Cavs didn’t lose anyone unlike the Magic who lost Hedo, Rafer, and Courtney Lee.
by Mike-Dub on Aug 12, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone above may have corrected some of the posters who are wondering who the 5
first bench guys are but obviously as it stands right now Baby, Sheed, Williams, House and Daniels are the 2nd unit. I have no doubt Doc would go with that. House played a lot of point in the championship year and we got by just fine with a few glitches. Daniels can handle the ball well by all accounts. This would be a VERY VERY physical team on d and yes it will be a little awkward on o but it has size and reasonable shooting and rebounding.
will they pick up a point guard? it wouldn’t shock me if they didn’t until after the season started
by wahz on Aug 8, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and if it isn't meshing
yeah Doc would probably go with rajon at point and sit Daniels or Sheldon. But I think the days of using PP or Ray with 4 bench guys needs to be over
by wahz on Aug 8, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, make Rondo the bridge to the 2nd unit
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 9, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
I’d love for that lineup to work, wahz. The question is, could Big Baby be quick enough to hang with the 3’s and 4’s of the opposing team? 2nd string or not, that could be this lineup’s weakness. Maybe through this lineup we could see if Big Baby really has been shedding the pounds. : ) I’m not sure who exactly would play the 4 or 5 between Sheed and Williams, but I think they could hang with most guys in that position. I do worry about the Big Z’s, Gasols, Okurs, and Varejaos in the world who actually have a mid-range shot, but things like that could be argued to cause problems for our 1st unit, and they’ll be playing those specific guys more. So, it is what it is.
Offensively, you got BBD, Sheed, and Eddie spreading the floor, while Daniels can slash inside, either for a lay up, or for a pass to Williams in the post. Heck, give it to Rasheed to post up, if he’s willing to. This lineup, if given a chance to formulate in training camp, has potential, and is probably possible if we don’t get that backup PG we desire. Of course, the jury’s still out there on that backup PG coming before training camp.
Overall, I do love when lineups go “big”, and if it’d help anyone, it’d help the C’s. : D
by Tai on Aug 9, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see Doc playing Baby and Sheldon together
I don’t think the substitution patterns would lead to a lineup like that, at least not for long. Right now, I see Williams as behind BBD in the rotations. By the time he comes in, there would likely be one or more starters back on the floor.
by Surferdad on Aug 9, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sign and trade?
Can’t Ainge still sign bbd and trade him right away to someone like NJ? I mean he did spend time inquiring about sign and trade opportunities and still has holes to fill on this roster.
by ForexPirate on Aug 9, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TA is a salary ...
waiting to be dumped, except no one in the league wants him. In an 82-game season, he has 6 good games and 76 bad ones. Too bad no one in the league accepts that the 6 good games can be averaged to reveal the real TA.
Wahz’s green team lacks a 3. Amenhotep correctly diagnoses the green team current hole: lack of a playmaking continuity guy.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
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