The Daniels/House Backcourt Option

Marquis Daniels was brought in to back up PP. That is his primary role. People get way too caught up in the fact he can supposedly play a little bit of PG. PP needs a rest, and allocating MD to the 1 undoes what he was brought here to do. Give PP a break. MD is a SF with courtvision.

This makes me uneasy. As good as Rondo is, and as good as he conbtinues to develop there still needs to be veteran leadership in front of him at point. He still has his mental lapses at key points. Everyonce in a while Rondo just needs to be pulled from the game to settle him down.

Also, I cringe every time Eddie brings the ball up. Love House to death but he is just not a point guard. This is going to wear Rondo down throughtout the year.

House is a very valuable guy, but he is tough tho fit in. This works to make him far more valuable. He’s a respectable defender of point guards but is not a legitimate defender of 2 guards and he can’t play the point on offense. Daniels won’t be asked to cover the point, or even be covered by one. He will be covered by backup 2 guards. This is a significant improvement over pairing House with Tony Allen, or anyone else we paired House with last year. We only need this to work for 12 minutes per game to rest Rondo.

There are all kinds of ways to work in minutes for other guys to spell Pierce. We can go with Daniels and Ray and Eddie, or we can play any of our other bench guys. We also have too much talent at the 4/5, so it will be important for the team to learn how to play huge with KG or Baby at the 3 and overpower teams.

The notion that we are going to pick up some really talented backup point who can stabilize the first team when Rondo gets shaky is overly optimistic. No team gets to have everything covered on their roster.

    PP CAN bring the ball up if necessary. Of course the best was Bird. Anytime the backcourt (usually DJ) was in trouble , Bird would make himself available at halfcourt and continue getting the ball up.

I like a House-Daniels back court…I think the will have great chemistry…

But I still want a real back up PG…

What is it that everyone wants in this backup pg?

Ideally, a guy who can bring up the ball, start the offense, play good D, right? Isn’t that Daniels and or House.

Last year, the backup pg was marbury, the year before it was house then cassell.

I think anybody we’d bring in at this point would be a downgrade from marbury or cassell who weren’t that good to begin with. Frankly, I’d like to plan on using Daniels if we need him to bring the ball up. That is really only against the full court press.

If we have an Rondo injury, are we that better off bringing in tyronne lue or Lindsay Hunter into start?

http://www.celticstown.com/ill-never-back-down-the-chronicles-of-lester-hudson.html

great article. Hudson is a tough as nails player who can defend and score, assist and even rebound (like a rondo with more scoring punch).

He should be given a chance on the roster, to prove himself and help the team. I believe in Lester.

If Rondo gets injured then we have a problem…that is why I would like to add a veteran PG who we can rely on…

My first choice is Arroyo. He is extremely experienced and I am confident he could lead this team if RR went down in the playoffs. I don`t think Danny is interested but from the remaining FA`s he is the best option…

If Daniels is subbing for Rondo, who gives Pierce a rest? Daniels is here to make sure that Pierce and Allen don’t play too many minutes. And just because you can bring it up under pressure, that doesn’t make you a point guard.

They need a REAL point guard to back up Rondo.

If he overachieves…he makes the squad as back-up PG.

If not…Danny gets serious in picking up a vet PG.

We’ve got 5 solid players to cover our 3 back court positions. House and Daniels are versatile enough that any combo of guys those 5 guys will work. All five can play less than 30 mpg and we’ll still have one of the leagues best back courts.

wanna rest Rondo?
Pierce, Allen, Daniels

wanna rest Pierce?
Daniels, Allen, Rondo

wanna rest Ray?
Pierce, House, Rondo

Daniels versatility makes it possible to rest any 2/3 back court starters concurrently without skipping a beat. This is about talented ball players, not about cookie-cutter fits into specific positions. House proved this point when we won a title in 2008. I think House and Daniels will be just fine playing 1/2 together.

We need to develop our talent. There’s questions the play of Walker,Giddens and Hudson. Rightfully so but that’s because we do not play them. That old excuse that there not good enough does not fly. They will never get better without real game experience. Hudson has serious up side. Why retard his growth by putting old pg’s in front of him.

Doc treats young players as though they are lepers!

Give them a fair opportunity…let them get some minutes…then decide if a spark of promise exists.

I would MUCH rather have daniels play with house than to team house with a smallish pg. I hate the latter plan more than anything. Besides, just because daniels would play pg doesn’t mean he is backing up rondo. House would be rondos back up and could okay pg in stretches.

The following list of backcourt pairings logged a lot more minutes together in both the regular season and the playoffs than Daniels and House will be asked to do together…and with not just good results, but with championship results:
‘67-’68…L. Siegfried and S. Jones/J. Havlicek;
‘68-’69…L. Siegfried and J. Havlicek/S. Jones;
‘73-’74…JJ White and J. Havlicek/D. Chaney:
‘’75-’76…JJ White and C. Scott/J. Havlicek;
‘83-’84…D. Johnson and G. Henderson/Q. Buckner/D. Ainge;
‘85-’86…D. Johnson and D. Ainge/J. Sichting/S. Wedman.
Six seasons, six championships and the closest to “true point guards” in the bunch might have been defensive specialist Buckner (2.7 Assists Per Game in ‘83-’84) and dead eye shooting Sichting (2.3 APG in ‘85-’86). At least one great perimeter shooting guard and at least one tall backcourt defender on all six championship teams…but not a “true point guard” to be found.
With Danny Ainge’s first hand experience with some of the Celtics’ banner teams, we can assume that he has a good idea of what it takes to win. So let’s stop worrying about the point, and sit back and enjoy another great run…Number 18 is in sight!!!

Eddie has proven he can be a valuable reserve that contributes to the success of the team. But to get him minutes being a 6’ player who is neither a true 2 or 1 makes getting him playing time a very creative process. As a previous poster pointed out, there are only so many minutes to go around. If a “true” point were acquired, House’s or Daniel’s minutes would have to go down.

The Bulls series showed what a liability Eddie can be, he could not cover Gordon, Heinrich or Rose, rendering him useless playing alongside a conventional point guard. Since the C’s value Eddies contributions, they have to think out of the box in regards to a “backup point”. Daniels is the perfect pairing to allow House minutes. Those who pine for the traditional point guard have to accept the demise of Eddie. Personally, I think they will be more than covered having Sheed, Baby, Daniels and House as their bench players. Focusing on exact positional needs misses this point.

I think House + Daniels will share the point guard duties … rather than it being one or the other.

As much as I would love to see what Hudson, Giddens, and Walker can do with more PT I don’t see it happening unless we suffer injuries and there are no other options. Out of the 3 I think Walker has the best chance of seeing some PT. I think Danny will sign Hudson and send him to the D-League because we have Scal and TAs expiring contracts to as a means to fill any holes before the playoffs. I see the active 12 man roster looking like this to start the season.

PG – Rondo/House/Daniels
SG – Allen/House/Daniels/TA
SF- Pierce/Daniels/TA
PF – KG/BBD/Scal
C – Perk/Sheed/Williams

Before the trade deadline I see us shopping Scal,TA, and possibly Giddens for a defensive specialist that can play the wing to defend Lebron and Kobe, and/or another big man that can bang with Howard and Shaq to relieve Perk and Sheed or for insurance. After that, bring up Hudson and Walker to get some experience and PT before the playoffs and to rest the core 12 man rotation. After trade deadline I think roster will look like this:

PG – Rondo/House/Hudson
SG – Allen/House/Daniels
SF- Pierce/Daniels//Walker
PF – KG/BBD/Williams
C – Perk/Sheed/

… and we’ll have the trade deadline bargaining chips.
I ain’t worried. With Daniels and House in the backcourt, and we REALLY gonna sweat Walker/Giddens/TAllen spelling Pierce? With Rasheed at the 4? Seriously? You’re worried?
I say Doc/Danny check out who’s the weaker link — say, House at the 1 or TAllen/BWalker at the 3, and they make a move accordingly.
For the record, we’re much deeper/experienced than last year already. Not necessarily saying we should be the favorite to win it all (Garnett’s knee, L.A. being awesome), but we are in this thing.
We’ll pick up a backup point guard if needed.