Look Ahead: Trade For Nocioni?
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT
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Tom Ziller of Sactown Royalty brings up an interesting question for Kings fans. Should Andres Nocioni be traded? The overwhelming response seems to indicate that he should be. The Kings are rebuilding and focusing on youth and saving money for next offseason. Nocioni doesn't help them with either priority.
The question that exists now is whether heart and spirit (and the aforementioned talent) is still a need to the degree it was, and if not whether Nocioni's $21 million heart and spirit (and talent) makes enough of a difference to hold onto him beyond the trade deadline, assuming there are suitors?
The aforementioned $21 million is what Nocioni is owed over the next 3 seasons (he has a team option for a 4th year as well). As mentioned, that is quite a paycheck for a guy that is more heart than talent. But while he doesn't do much for a rebuilding team, he'd be an excellent fit on a championship contending team. Could the Celtics be interested ...again?
Rumors from the trade deadline indicate that the Celtics and Kings were in serious trade negotiations for Nocioni. Chad Ford reported the following at the time.
We've heard conflicting claims from both teams on who withdrew first.
Yet we do have agreement that the Celtics and Kings talked seriously Thursday about sending Nocioni to Boston, which seemingly would have been a huge coup for that team, given the hole created by James Posey's departure in the offseason. Nocioni is a rugged, versatile, 2-position forward who does a lot of the same stuff Posey did.
The deal likely would have required Boston to part with at least four players from its oft-criticized bench: Glen Davis, Brian Scalabrine, Patrick O'Bryant and the injured Tony Allen.
Since that trade was discussed, Glen Davis improved his game (and resigned with the team) and Tony Allen came up short on what may be his last chance to prove himself in Boston. Also, the Celtics have added Rasheed Wallace and Marquis Daniels and the Kings have added more young players to the mix. But would these teams revisit these talks sometime before the trade deadline?
For the Kings, the pricetag on Nocioni may be coming down. Tom Ziller concludes:
Now, is an expiring contract enough incentive to trade Nocioni? Moving him for $0 in 2010-11 salary would give the Kings $18-22 million in cap space next summer. (Enough to sign LeBron!) But given the likelihood of the Kings actually spending $18-22 million next summer, perhaps trading for talent or draft picks with salary relief as a minor concern could be in order.
So they would like to get talent and cap space for Andres, and who can blame them? But who knows what other offers they will receive before the deadline?
For the Celtics, I do think they'd still be at least interested. He has a fiery tenacity that makes him perfect for playoff basketball. Like Posey before him, he would be able to fill in for Pierce and take some of the defensive assignments that Marquis Daniels wouldn't be able to handle because of his lack of bulk. In fact, if Pierce ever missed any time this year, I would think that this deal would at least be revisited as an option. He does have a large deal (which is what scared Ainge off of Posey last summer), but the annual salary actually decreases each year.
The principals are still in place for a deal. The Celtics can still offer Scalabrine and Tony Allen as expiring contracts. The trade checker rejects a straight deal of Scal and Tony for Nocioni but it only falls about 7K short. I'm sure the Kings would like someone like Bill Walker. Perhaps Ainge would be willing to give them Walker or Giddens (whomever falls behind on the depth chart). Draft picks don't count in salary matching purposes, so that's not necessary unless the teams think there's an imbalance in value.
So what do you think? Would you want to trade for Nocioni? What would you be willing to give up? When would you want to make such a deal (now or at the deadline)?
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I would do this deal (Tony + Scal + Giddens) in a heartbeat
Still, I wonder if Nocioni’s big contract wouldn’t hurt us in the future? Like, say, next summer when we will have to re-sign Ray and other key players?
by Drucci on Sep 17, 2009 7:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
would you do the deal for Walker though?
is that a deal breaker?
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather not move Walker, but I am not at all optimistic that he or Giddens will be a factor in the rotation this year.
by CoachBo on Sep 17, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but
Jeff
Yes I would do this deal. I’d rather throw in Giddens. I love NOC, actually I hate the guy cuz he plays against us and he plays so damned hard. His numbers are less important than what he does on the court.
But is there a way that we could trade BBD and Scal for Noc. I see where BBD is a BYC but how long does that restriction last. I saw something about 15 Dec. If that is that correct, I hope Danny starts working with Sacto with a proposal of Scal and BBD for Noc. I think that trade would be more platable to Sacto.
I really believe that once BBDs salary became more reasonable, that Danny signed him as an “asset” (a trade chip). I don’t see a big role for him on this team, but who knows we could have injuries or someone under performs. I’m still a little worried about the reports BBD played last year at well over 300 lbs and not 285 or 290 as reported. I can’t believe that in a contract year he didn’t have his weight under control and come in to the season in great shape.
by badax33 on Sep 17, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
garcia is soft...
i’d rather have a rugged sg/sf player. a ‘never back down’ type ala posey…
get nocioni if there’s a real chance!
by jaimsitecom on Sep 18, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia?
Who said Garcia was an option? And he’s not soft either. He’s very tough. Kings will never trade Garcia unless there is serious talent coming back.
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by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it too
The Kings would save money and we would get a quality forward
by greenwise on Sep 17, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni in the big Sac
I agree that Tony, Scal and Giddens seems like an obvious trade on paper but considering his contract weight with the epic of off-seasons to end all epic off-seasons coming up this summer it doesn’t make sense. Re-signing Jesus Shuttlesworth or not Andres limits the team’s elbow room and leaves us with an aging over payed back-up.
Mr. Nocioni also seemed to improve as he went from a big stage with expectations to a city in California than no one in California cares about. Well, I guess Kevin Johnson cares about the big Sac.
Also I’d rather have Giddens in the Celtics’ future considering Mr. Walker’s has ruptured ACLs in two of his two knees.
If we can’t win a banner or two in the next two years WITHOUT Nocioni we don’t deserve them.
Let’s give Rondo 7 million a year. (Let’s also not re-sign Jesus. Historically Hall of Fame talent declines around the age of 35 and up and we need to pay Pierce so he can retire a Celtic.)
by adubson on Sep 17, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking about this comment all morning for some reason:
“If we can’t win a banner or two in the next two years WITHOUT Nocioni we don’t deserve them”
by dooyork on Sep 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is 30 years old. He makes 7 mil for the next three years How many old men do we want. That’s asking for trouble. None of this would be an issue if Doc played the young players Other than the horrible Mr. Swift Danny is a good judge of talent. There is no excuse not to develop and play your youth. If you don’t…… you will not be successful.
by tyquinton on Sep 17, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's in his prime, not an old man
He’s also getting paid very well, which means he can dedicate himself to playing for the benefit of the team rather than a future big payday, which is what all young players think about, as they should. That’s what Danny and Doc and everyone mean when they say you need vets to win in this league, vets have made their big $$, gotten their security, so they can sacrifice for the team, young guys won’t.
by hpantazo on Sep 17, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting take
That’s an interesting take on the “need vets” mentality. I don’t know if I completely agree with it but kudos for putting a new perspective on it.
by slamtheking on Sep 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good deal
Nocioni for Veal, TA and Walker/Giddens (maybe Hudson if they sign him for the purposes of the trade) is a good value for the C’s. Moving 2 people they don’t want anyway for someone that will see court time is a bonus. The only possible downside is moving a young player that hasn’t been fully evaluated yet. Small price to play for Nocioni. Also frees up 2 roster spots so Danny can get that extra backup PG as insurance.
The C’s would be legitimately 11 players deep. starters plus Sheed, BBD, Daniels, Nocioni, House (and Williams). Sign a competent backup PG and there’s your game roster.
Doc could really put a quality bench-only line-up on the floor for limited stretches that would truly allow for the starters to rest. Enough experience and talent off the bench that Doc wouldn’t require a big-3 starter to be on the court at all times.
by slamtheking on Sep 17, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by "2 people"
I mean TA and Veal.
by slamtheking on Sep 17, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the deal
It would be a no-brainer. Pierce gets his backup, the bench is 11 deep and we win Banner 18. KG, PP and RA get two rings with a possible 3rd in 2011 with this team together.
There is no downside to this trade. If it includes Giddens or Walker, then so be it. A small price to pay for that type of talent.
by SCBirdman33 on Sep 17, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Adding Nocioni provides a legit 3-year window. I’m assuming Ray is resigned, PP gets resigned in 2 years, House (or an equivalent) is here and Rondo/Perk are extended past their current contracts.
That would put the team in salary hell but that’s a very solid team for another 3 years. Free agency was never going to be a factor with the current Big 3 so we may as well stock up on a good supporting cast using what we have available. Maybe add a back up PG, see how whoever’s left between Walker/Giddens develops and see what Danny can add in the next couple of drafts. The window might even extend another couple of years.
by slamtheking on Sep 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’d be a great deal. it wouldn’t affect next season at all. if we traded for Nocioni, extended Rondo at 10 mill and extended ray at 8 mil, we’d be in about the same financial situation as this year.
by Fan from VT on Sep 17, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Been talking about this deal making a lot of sense all offseason.
But, I think Danny wants to at least get through camp and the preseason before exploring this. The absolute best-case for the C’s is that either Walkers or Giddens can take the next step and handle some of the backup duties behind Pierce; we certainly can’t count on that happening, but it would be nice to see if we’ve already got a player on the roster (cheaply) who can fill out what this team still needs. Pulling the trigger on the trade now wouldn’t really save the Kings any money.
Best-best-best case scenario would be doing the Scal/TA/Walker or Giddens deal and having them buy out Scal; I really want to have the big lug here, even if only for insurance purposes.
by theBird on Sep 17, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think that Noc would make Scal irrelevant
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so. Aren’t I allowed to be greedy, though?
by theBird on Sep 17, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scal, Tony Allen, Giddens, and Walker
That is the only one i like that will work
by AT-360 on Sep 17, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't see a 4 for 1 happening
though I admit to looking into expanding the deal for Sergio
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Blackhole
The guy isn’t a complementary player, makes too much money, and we eliminate the flexibility that we have with Allen/Rondo UNLESS Wyc is just willing to continue to spend at will. While he can be effective, he has no concept of team offense and on this team … that is not a good thing.
by timepiece33 on Sep 17, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But when your trade bait is Tony Allen and Brian Scalabrine
Beggars can’t be choosers. Any player that we get for a Scal/Tony combo is going to have warts on them. I can live with Nocioni’s warts.
by nickagneta on Sep 17, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always loved Nocioni's game, but...
wouldn’t you rather have James Posse? Their contracts are just about identical. That being said, we would have a much better chance in getting Nocioni than we would Posse.
by B-ball on Sep 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posey time has passed
and Nocioni is younger with a gradually decreasing contract. I can live with Nocioni’s contract over Posey’s.
by slamtheking on Sep 17, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This train has passed
and should maybe be brought back up for discussion sometime around trade deadline.
The roster is set,,,,,,,, IMO
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Sep 17, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Thanks
Nocioni is undersized as a power forward and too slow to guard small forwards. If the Celtics are going to expend trade assets, it should be for a good backup point guard.
The other thing this team needs is youth: a way forward when their older players start to decline without having to endure multiple 25 win seasons. The best way to do that is to work talented youngsters into the rotation. Nocioni doesn’t provide any youth, either.
Lastly, Nocioni would not be a 7 million dollar player for the Celtics. He would be a 14 million dollar player.
by Brickowski on Sep 17, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The last sentance is why I think they’re going to give every opportunity for the kids to earn this role. If we get to the deadline and Daniels is hurt again, or it’s just become clear that we need another biggish wing in the rotation, I don’t think they’ll hesitate to make a move – but making that move today, when it’s possible that Nooch would be a luxury, is unnecessary.
by theBird on Sep 17, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He would be a 14 million dollar player"
I don’t think that is necessarily true. They pay tax on money over the limit. Trading for Noc only costs the team 14M if they have other contracts totaling up to the limit.
It all depends on what they do with Ray and Rondo.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your F!!cking Joking
Get Garcia out of your wet dreams. Kings won’t trade him unless you give serious talent.
Ailene Voisin is wack and hearts Rubio
by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
i’ve been pulling for something like this to happen since we lost out on Posey last offseason. i love his tenacity, and his physical play fits this team to a T. he gets under opponents fingernails and is a proven antagonist. he’s the type of player you don’t want to play against, but that you love having play for you. if we landed him, our bench would be about as good as some lesser team’s starting 5’s.
Sheed/Williams
Baby/Williams
Nocioni
Daniels
House/FA pickup
And not only does a trade like this give us another great backup, but it also clears up roster spots for a legit backup PG. I say do it and don’t look back.
by screwedupmaniac on Sep 17, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let Me Add..
I’m still waiting for teams like Charlotte, New Orleans, Memphis and New Jersey to implode. These teams are hemmoraging cash and fire sales are a real possibility. All of them have some good young players. I would be saving my expiring contracts for that opportunity, rather than spending them (plus alot of cap space) on a guy who would be the 4th wing off the bench.
And if you bring in Nocioni, what does that say to Bill Walker? Ainge might as well go up to Walker and say “Kid, you stink.”
by Brickowski on Sep 17, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who the f**ck said Garcia?
The article is about Nocioni not Garcia. Its about Nocioni because his contract is much more
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by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY Knicks looking to sign and trade David Lee
Now that’s something I wish we could pull of somehow ….but not going to happen.
NO NO NO NOCIONI
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Sep 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too Much Perimeter
I’m surprised how many people want this guy on the C’s.
Nocioni is a perimeter shooter who doesn’t shoot many Free Throws and doesn’t shoot them too well.
Also Nocioni plays defense like he shoots the free throw. Average at best.
We don’t need to shell out serious money when we have Sheed to come off the bench to shoot 3’s and Baby to shoot 17 footers.
Daniels isn’t great on defense but he’ll be coming off the bench to give Pierce some rest and when he does Doc will probably send in another sub to up the defense. Or i could see him switching the offensive flow to full speed and turn them into a strictly fast break 2nd unit. Nocioni wouldn’t fit in well in either strategy.
Yes, Nocinoi’s 14 points a game and good 3% looks enticing because he’s an energy guy but don’t be all moist in the panties because we didn’t get Posey back last year.
by adubson on Sep 17, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni isn't a perimeter player at all
He can shoot the ball, but he plays mainly inside. I’ve seen him play many years in Spain and with his national Argentinian team and he is a tough, defensive oriented but also offensively talented guy. If he can be had for TA+Scal+JR then it’s a no brainer. I doubt Sacramento does it though…unless they are really in need for money
by greenwise on Sep 18, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I'm saying this. . . .
but for me, Scal brings more to the table in terms of intangibles for this team. I would not make the trade. We’re loaded right now. Let’s ride this out, see where some of the other teams are going, and if need be, take advantage of a situation later in the year. We’ve got how many guys that can play Paul’s position? Ray, Walker, JR, Scal, BBD, KG, TA, and Daniels.
I wouldn’t rush on this at all.
by amenhotep04 on Sep 17, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe you're saying that either...
I love Scal, but he is no way near the player Nocioni is.
by B-ball on Sep 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TA, Scal,Giddens or Walker
Makes it a no-brainer for me. There is no such thing as too many good players in the way the league is right now. Nocioni is the perfect complementary player and would be a tremendous fit off the bench. He is a solid help defender and is tenacious and plays hard every game. He would fit in perfect. He can stroke the 3, take big shots, and doesn’t really hurt you.
Get it done. He would all but guarantee a trip to the Finals and a likely win.
by BWC on Sep 17, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
garcia
as i stated thrice times above, i’d perfer garcia — younger, quicker, underrated defender, good shooter, an excellent back-up to pierce, which allows daniels to dedicate his time to playing the ‘point-2" behind ray ray and rondo. i’d be tempted by garcia despite the future cap implications. i think he’ll work very well with rondo for some years to come.
hat tip to edgar for raising the idea some months ago.
by ssspence on Sep 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're all a bunch of
Spoiled fans. You get a good team like the celts and you think you can just demand players from other teams. Garcia’s not on the bloc!
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by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Garcia is available..
While Nocioni’s name has been out there for awhile, I have heard nary a word about Garcia.
by BWC on Sep 17, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
everyone not named evans and thompson is available in SAC
they have well documented financial problems. i’d think martin is even avaiable for the right deal. role players making 30mil are definitely available — they’d just rather deal noce than garcia, i imagine.
by ssspence on Sep 17, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CORRECTION!
No Garcia is NOT available(at least not for expirings alone). Noc could be had for expirings + minor sweetener.
Thompson, Evans, Martin and Hawes are all considered near untouchable.
by Smills91 on Sep 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FINALLY! Someone makes sence about Garcia!
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by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni would be Perfect
I still think we need another effective forward to add to our team to compete with Cleveland, L.A. and Orlando. Nocioni would be perfect and would trade any combination of Walker, T. Allen, Scal, Giddens and L. Hudson to get him.
by gpap on Sep 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too much money
Nocioni’s way too overpaid to even consider this trade. His game is in decline. His 3 point percentage is about the only plus skill he brings to the table. The rest of his game is below average, except his feisty-ness which is over-the-top.
I’m with Brickowski on this one—there will be better deals out there later in the season. Be patient.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In decline?? He is 30!!
It’s not Sam Cassell guys… Is someone old at 30???? I’m getting depressed today
by greenwise on Sep 18, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhg, rather see Walker play those mins
Before Daniels and Davis being signed maybe but this guys contract is gross, especially when you are talking about 8-10 mpg. I would rather see what Walker has, a guy who isn’t going to make a million bucks until after 2012, who has feisty covered.
by sully00 on Sep 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather see Walker go than Giddens.
With Nocioni here, Walker would get absolutely no playing behind him, and Pierce. With Tony Allen gone, JR could get a shot, especially if Daniels and House are gone next year.
by markgent on Sep 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dream trade IMO
if the Kings would do it it would be done by now I’m guessing… we’ll see though as the season goes and how bad the Kings really are
by incoherent. on Sep 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man at this point
I’m getting tired of hearing about trade rumors. Yes, I do mean on the forums too. __’
I mean, if a trade actually HAPPENS, then ok, but between possible S+Ts to get Daniels or even to ship BBD out that completely fell through…ugh, I’m over it.
Yeah, this is another “JUST START THE SEASON ALREADY” post. Trades or even pickups for the veteran min. can wait at mid-season. Personally, I think it was just clear Marbury or Moore weren’t that good.
by Tai on Sep 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how do we possibly afford him? I love the guy but I don’t see anyway this happens
by Red2 on Sep 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way
If i were the Kings i would hold on to Nocioni until the deadline and try and get the best deal possible. Scal/Allen/Giddens are garbage players. i know the kings would be saving money, i still wouldn’t do it. Nocioni only makes the kings better and brings much need toughness to a very soft team.
by El Scorcho on Sep 17, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Someone’s being realistic. This is what I hate about most of these trades: They involve our trash for someone else’s treasure. It’s getting old.
by Tai on Sep 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trash for treasure...
… I understand your pain but it’s a basketball blog in september, what do you expect? Anyways, the lakers got Gasol for trash and the celtics got Ray Allen for trash. It happens, you just have to have expiring trash and be ready when an owner decides to unload.
by Little D on Sep 17, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tai
the thing is, the Kings fans are the ones looking for our trash
in fact, the Scal, Tony, Walker trade was suggested by someone on Sactown Royalty
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
If that’s what the Kings want and they know it’ll help them AND they agree to the trade, I suppose I’m ok with it. But I feel like I see some of these trades and I just know they won’t happen.
Like I said before, if the C’s can actually get a trade that brings Nocioni here, I’m all for it. I’m not allergic to trades, just trade rumors, and quite honestly, this off-season didn’t help. : (
by Tai on Sep 17, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well any trade for Nocioni is financially motivated. That’s the whole point. You don’t do a talent trade, it’s a straight salary dump because your team is losing cash hand over fist. Just like New Orleans, get rid of any non-cheap contract..
by BWC on Sep 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think someone brought this up...
But if NO is trying to apparently dump any ‘non-cheap contract’, then why isn’t there any love for Posey? Nocioni is pretty good and all, but wouldn’t we be better off getting back a guy we know can help us and gives us exactly what we need in a role-player?
If this trade goes down, I will be ‘okay’ with it, but I am with those that want to wait it out, be patient, and see what’s around at the deadline because early in the season, I really don’t see what Nocioni gives us over Scal…and his contract is atrocious.
by jambr380 on Sep 17, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would love to get Nocioni but I am not willing to give up Walker...
maybe I would do it with Giddens but if this is any way we could do it with the expirings of TA and Scal and maybe some cash or a second round pick or something like that I would definitely do it.
by Mike-Dub on Sep 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen that much defense out of Nocioni.
Forget about Nocioni. The backup for Pierce is going to be decided by who can deliver the consistently better defense, Giddens or Walker (perhaps even Tony Allen). I don’t think anyone knows going into training camp. But the Celtics have at least a half a regular season to figure it out. (That, and the backup point guard situation.)
by no kidding on Sep 17, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont want to see this guy try and check lebron james in the playoffs, it would be an apsolute massacre.
if it could get done for tony allen, scal, and some young guns id do it in a second, his pay check is ridicilous but it doesnt really matter cause it would be a one year deal anyway. But my thought is it will never get done for those guys, i think a guy like eddie house would have to be thrown in, a sure thing player that you know wut your gona get all those other guys are ?’s. n if we have to give up eddie i dnt think its worth it ur giving up one of our best 3 point shooters for a guy that can shoot average essentially.
by celtics94 on Sep 17, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i say go for it tony scal and giddens for nocioni hells yea now PP can have a backup so just accept it but if walkers is in the trade then hells no deals off.
by the_truth2034 on Sep 17, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if nocioni trade does happen
dont expect to see ray allen in a uniform here next year. theres only so much money to go around.
nocioni is getting paid too much money for the amount of playing time he would get on this team… not sure if id do it. I like this team right now aside from a backup pg. If I’m going to trade those expiring contracts, I dont think id do it for Nocioni…
by jimmyt on Sep 18, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are people overrating Walker??
I mean, he is a nice prospect but so far he has also shown some flaws. I don’t understand why most people have this crush on Walker while they want to desperately get rid of JR. Both are prospects, that’s all.
by greenwise on Sep 18, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Nocioni but hold off on trades for now
1. That extra $7 mill on the cap is going to make resigning Ray and Rondo, as well as retaining guys like Daniels and House and filling out our 10/11 roster tough. As a guestimate, if we sign Rondo for $10mill, Ray for $8mill, Daniels for $5mill and House for $2mill, plus Nocioni on $7mill we’re going to be up around the $90mill mark.
2. As said earlier, someone cheaper and/or better may shake free later in the year in this climate.
3. Walker may still prove himself. The one real problem I have with Daniels is he is too light to bother Lebron and other strong 3s. If Walker can give us solid D on those few matchups that don’t suit Daniels, then he is a much cheaper option to get the job done.
Basically, he’s a luxury and it is better to see how the team as constituted performs first. If everyone stays healthy and performs, we have a great shot at winning the title. If something goes wrong, we still have our expirings to make the right deal. For extra flexibility, I hope Danny can also avoid giving Ray a new contract until the end of the season. May not be possible as Ray could feel slighted, but would be much better for the team.
by Celticsbloke on Sep 18, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
trading for nocioni ?
nocioni is what we need off the bench he can spell pierce and is very versatile i say make the move before the season starts i would give up giddens and allen or i hate to say it scal i would not give them sky walker he is going to be special ….
by lohaus#54 on Sep 19, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade for Nocioni
No need right to do anything right now. Midseason would be better. Let’s roll with Wallace, Williams and Daniels right now. If KG is healthy , I believe we will be to hoist up number 18 with the previous cast of regulars and subs. Jesus Shuttlesworth and PP – The Truth getting help from Daniels, Perk and KG getting help from Sheed and BBD, and Williams. Rondo getting help from House and maybe Ray some. I really like the many line up options Doc will have.
by Celtic mania on Sep 19, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
STOP DREAMING!
Ailene Voisin is wack and hearts Rubio
by Bambooozled on Sep 27, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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