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Age vs career minutes debate

One of the new theories that has been making its way into NBA analyst and media reports is the concept that perhaps it is minutes played, and not age, that determines a player's career arc.  This has become relevant because of the generation of superstars that came straight from high school to the league starting with Kevin Garnett in the mid-90s that are now entering their 30s.  As a Garnett fan, I have seen many recent articles taking it as all-but-a given that the minutes are the key, and since Garnett has already logged more minutes than guys like Larry Bird did in his career there are many ready to hand him his watch and cane as he inevitably slows down.

I guess my question is, though...when did it become a fact that minutes, not age, is the key factor?  I internet-searched to see if there was this body of evidence that I was unaware of, but all I could find were articles like this that mention the theory and then began to run with it as potential fact.  As far as I knew, the whole reason that this was a theory to begin with was that the NBA doesn't have much experience with players that entered the league as teenagers...so why is everyone so confidant now that they know that minutes determine career arc better than age?

Because if you look at their careers thus far it has been age, not games played, that has seemed to determine their production arcs.  After all, if it is minutes played that determines your "player age" then preps-to-pros stars should also hit their peak earlier in their careers, right?  Wrong.  A person just naturally hits their physical peak in their mid-to-late 20s, and the prep-to-pros guys have been no exception.  Kobe Bryant had his best statistical year at age 27, just like Kevin Garnett did.  Meanwhile, Tim Duncan (who played four years of college) peaked statistically at ages 25-26.  Michael Jordan, who played two years of college, hit his statistical peak from ages 24 - 27.  David Robinson, who played four years of college and did a two-year military tour before entering the NBA at age 24 still hit his statistical peak at age 28. 

In other words, the prep-to-pros look exactly like their college-going peers in their career arcs up to this point.  So outside of the fact that this new theory sounds kinda cool...why are we so certain that all of a sudden their career arcs are suddenly going to diverge?  Yes, Charles Barkley and Dominique Wilkins had declined and retired before they had played as many minutes as KG...and they were also 37 and 39 years old.  Unless there is something that I have missed, I am going to wait and see before I decide that the Celtics are on the edge of an age cliff with their roster.  Because as I recall, Hakeem Olajuwon peaked and dominated the league in his early 30s...Karl Malone won two MVPs after the age of 33...Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was named MVP and won four rings after the age of 32.  Players these days are actually healthier and playing LONGER than they did in the past, so pardon me if I require a bit more proof than "well, because someone else thought it might maybe work this way" before I believe something to be true.

Be respectful and keep it clean. Thanks.

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I totally agree with the idea that players hit their wall at different times in life. Today’s players are more athletic not like basketball players of the past. I think the player change happened when Pat Reilly got players that could play more than one position.

by tyquinton on Sep 17, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the age counts not the minutes.

If your going to pick a decline category. You got to go with age. The minutes thing is bull. I like the post. I been arguing this for months. Ray Allen is a all time great player. He’s a better player than Reggie Miller. Reggie started to decline at age 36. A few other guys played to a high level at the age of 33 and above. Today’s players have more technology,and trainers to stay in shape. Barkley and Shaq have battled weight issues the later parts of there careers. I think that hurt Chuck and Shaq past there 35 birthdays. It caused more injuries to them. Shaq will cost the Cavs homecourt. He will maybe play around 50 games. Also if your going to talk about minutes played. Kobe has played more than Ray. I think we have a smarter ball team than Magic and Cavs.

by green20 on Sep 17, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

i think its the beating that the body takes

and how well you take care of it.

jordans peak lasted do long because he took care of his body so well, kobe is the same way he takes crazy care of his body even on the off season,

 you also have to factor in injuries, the type and how many injuries have been sustained

also the type of game the person plays. most high fliers dont last too long unless they get a shot and can pick and choose when they want to attack the rim

i think there is too many factors that come into play

by true_lakerfan on Sep 17, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

ray allen will last a few more years i think it is about how you take care of your body, and paul pierce has been on a new found lifestyle and has been taking reallyy good care of himself, thats why guys like tracy mcgrady and vince carter have fallen off the map to a degree they dont take care of them selves

by celtics94 on Sep 17, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention

don’t college minutes count at all? Granted, they play less than the NBA, but there is still wear and tear accumulated from on-court minutes. Comparing KG to Larry, only considering their NBA minutes discounts this factor. Although KG skipped college and went to straight to the pros, guys like Bird still added miles by playing 4 years of college. I agree that age remains the relevant factor, as well as individual conditioning.

by KJ33 on Sep 18, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

College minutes

College minutes count but it is not the same as playing a full NBA season. The game is so much faster, stronger, and more athletic than the college game (which was true even when Larry was at Indiana St.). People who watch a lot of basketball live (prep school, college, international/national teams) and then have the chance to see NBA games live will notice the difference just in the pace of the game alone. But it’s more than that.

The whole game is played differently – passing lanes and other angles of the game narrow, physical and mental reaction time picks up. This demands much more from a player in terms of physical and mental prepration, and that takes a toll on the body. Those who are around the game see how long the season is. Players’ bodies break down several times throughout each season, and they just keep on going, pushing through it, which despite the valiance of this act, is not exactly what the body wants when it really needs rest and healing.

I believe those who spend time close to the game know the significance of calculating a player’s milage based on NBA minutes, because they see what the minutes do to the players more than the casual fan who watches 82 games a year on TV. And remember how short the offseason seemed after the grueling postseason the Celtics went through to win the title? These athletes are the most equipped types of people of any of us to put their bodies through an NBA season, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a slightly damaging thing to do to the body – something we notice the reality of when we’re older and the body is giving us trouble. Just ask Kevin McHale, who walks with a permanent limp.

We determine minutes played as a key factor of basketball age because the NBA really is a separate entity from other leagues and styles of ball. Players will tell you this. So everyone else falls in line.

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by KGMN on Sep 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

every person is different
its really that simple

by latin on Sep 20, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think it matters with KG anyway … he has the type of skill-set and athletic advantages that should age well and leave him as a very good basketball players for years to come.

The only way I’d expect KG to slow down in the next couple of years is if injuries caused the downturn.

by Who on Sep 21, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions  

probably 65:35 age to minutes…sure minutes can wear on you… but we’re not talking about baseball or boxing here. Basketball players arent doing anything super unnatural or strennous on their bodies.

If you played alot of minutes but still in great shape your fine.
But if you old, your body just isnt physically able to stay at a high level.

In Kobe we trust!

by robi s on Sep 21, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

your saying baseball players have a more strenous season than basketball players, thats the most ridicilous thing iv ever heard. How many 40+ year old baseball players r there tons theres not 1 nba olayer at 40 years of age and cant compete at that level and your body cant take the beating baseball is the softest sport there is

by celtics94 on Sep 22, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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