Over/Under 57 Wins
by Jeff Clark on Sep 2, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
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PrintESPN writers predict 57 wins for the Celtics (good for 2nd behind the Cavs in the East). CelticsHub makes a good case for a 57-25 record. In the last two years the Celtics have won 66 and 62 wins. Will they continue the downward trend or will they maintain the frantic pace they've been on? What do you think?
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I understand CH's argument...
… but we won 62 games with KG missing a lot of the season. Adding Rasheed and Daniels should keep us over 60.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Depends on KG
I want to see KG in preseason, hope he is 100%. If KG is back to being KG I agree with RH’s statement. We improved our weaknesses.
Over 50
Please.
We went down without any bigs to finish out last season. For the first half of last season we were playing much much better than in 07.
Easily over 60.
I hope they win 57
It might mean they rested their players during the regular season, and didn’t overuse them. I don’t care what seed the C’s have. If they are totally healthy going into next year’s playoffs, watch out!
completely agree.
I’d like to see the big 3 plus Wallace average around 25 minutes per game until the last 3 weeks of the season or so, and then ramp up the minutes to near 40. Speed up entering the playoffs, don’t limp in.
I'm with all of you...
Unless we have an injury or our stars go way down hill, this prediction just doesn’t make any sense…last season proved that even with a depleted lineup, we could still win 60+ games, and now we actually have a good bench. I also think there is more of a gap between the good and bad teams in the east. Sure, we may lose a couple more games to Cleveland/Orlando (and that’s a stretch), but should definitely win more against some other teams…
65 Wins
Assuming that Garnett, Pierce and Rondo stay healthy.
I totally agree...
I honestly don’t understand what allot of these writers are looking at. If healthy, how do we win less games? I don’t know about other’s opinions, but I think this team is built to win it all. I like some of what Orlando did, but did they really change all that much. I actually think getting rid of Rafer was a big mistake. I just don’t see Nelson penetrating our front court, or keeping up with Rondo for that matter. As far as Cleveland, they’ll be tough, but I don’t really like the O’Neal move to be honest. I think that team needs to run.
They are cracked
I predicted 65 wins prior to 07-08 and was too conservative. I didn’t predict last year, given the loss of Posey left me unsure. This year I’m predicting 70 (but we have to have the kind of health we enjoyed during the banner 17 run).
Silly
Honestly, how can you seriously argue that a healthy C’s team that missed KG for 25 games and had no bench and still won 62 games is going to win less than 60 games?
Even if they take it easy on the starters, they’ll still win at least 60. If everything goes right, they might win 70.
2008 Champs - Current line ups
2008 Team Current Team
Rondo < Rondo
Rajon Rondo has matured into a strong young point guard. He has improved his shooting and I think he’s learned how to take over a game when he’s hot. I got the current Rondo better than the 08 Rondo.
Allen < Allen
This ones tough. Ray Allen has a shot and everyone should agree with that. We all remember his slump in the 08 season. His legs we’re younger 2 years ago too. But I see it as he’s learned his role. When he’s in with the second team, he leads them just like when he was in Seattle except not as strong. I got todays Allen better.
Pierce = Pierce
There about equal. Paul Pierce is this teams Kobe. He’s always there when we need a big shot. Pierce is the Truth.
Garnett > Garnett
I got the 2008 KG better here. He was younger and healthy. This year I’m not sure if he’s going to stay 100% healthy. I think Kevin is the difference, if we have a healthy big ticket, banner #18’s ours.
Perkins < Perkins
Kendrick Perkins is a smarter, stronger big man today then he was in 2008. His defense has improved significantly. Hopefully he will stay healthy also. Perkins is better today.
2008 Bench < Current Bench
I think that the bench we have today is better offensively. We’re still trying to figure out that back up point guard situation. Rumors we’re we were going to attempt to get Carlos Arroyo, I don’t know where that’s gone. With the new acquisition of Marquis Daniels, I see him as this years James Posey. Daniels will help incredibely, knowing he can play the pg spot, 2 spot or even back up Pierce at the SF position sounds great. If we don’t grab a back up point guard maybe we could have House and Daniels bring the ball up. I’ve seen some comments about us winning #17 without a back up point guard, we had Sam Cassell.
I think we’ll play the L.A. Lakers in the finals and come out with #18 in 6 games.
GO CELTICS!!!
by jfarias on Sep 2, 2009 11:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You asked about Arroyo
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-43-92/FIBA-Americas-Qualifier—Day-3.html
If you re-read the article about him that was posted on Saturday, it says:
“Carlos Arroyo is ready to return to the NBA. However, the Puerto Rican guard, who last played in the NBA with the Orlando Magic, won’t reveal the names of the teams that are allegedly having talks with his agent — not until the FIBA Americas Championship in San Juan concludes.”
It ends September 6th. Cross fingers, etc.
Pierce > Pierce
And Allen might be > Allen, too.
I'm Not Predicting Any Championships
The playoffs are a crapshoot, as the Dallas Mavericks will attest. An opposing team can get hot, a ball can bounce the wrong way and it’s time to go fishin’.
But 65 regular season wins is a middle of the road prediction for this team, assuming they stay relatively healthy.
I think they win
mid 60s. So I’ll say 64.
I’m just hoping for a healthy year for all the boys in green.
55 wins, 65 wins, I don't care
I just want the older guys healthy and reasonably fresh at the end of the regular season. And I want Doc to break form and actually develop Giddens and/or Walker.
Cutely enough
57 games is the amount of games we’d win if we lost a game this season for every game KG was out last year (82-25). I am well aware that 57 games is an average, but to me, this says what the experts are really thinking.
Basically, 60+ wins isn’t too optimistic barring injury.
70 victories in 2009-2010, yea I said it
If healthy, there is no way this team doesn’t threaten the Bulls’ record. We had impressive win streaks and somehow won 62 games without KG for the remainder of the season. You can’t tell me a healthy KG, Sheed & Daniels don’t make this team even better.
67
totally agree, I’m going with 67 which would be 1 better than the 07-08 team, because this team will be a little better. Check the poll here we have 673 for 58 or better to 39 for 57 or less, so that shows you right there most people believe it to be 60+. The difference between us and Orlando/LA/CLE is that we didn’t lose much. Although you will read that CLE and LA didn’t lose anybody from these crazy writers. The fact is we lost Powe, Starbury & Mikki. CLE loses 4:Wally,Pavlocic,Ben,Joe Smith. ORL loses Hedo,Battie,Alston,Lee. LA loses starter Ariza. For some reason you don’t seem to read that in any articles. We had a vastly better offseason than the other 3 bigs in the league. Of course the Spurs did good too, but we did the best in the offseason, and we were the best team already anyway.
No way. And I hope not.
First, there will be injuries. With key players as old as the Celtics’ are, this is nearly certain.
Second — I hope that injuries will be minimized. And this will happen if the older guys play fewer regular season minutes. And if that happens, the team will not win 70. So, I hope they don’t win 70.
injuries
we can limit the injuries big time by getting hafltime leads, and letting BBD,Daniels,Shelden,House & TA or whoever it is to finish the games. Up 20 Big 4 out no questions asked. Don’t want to see Ray in there with 2 minutes to go up 27 against the Grizzlies.
Exactly star18
Our injuries will be limited due to the increased depth with the second string. It’s ok, I don’t mind everyone jumping on the Cleveland bandwagon because they signed a very old and out of shape Shaq. Once he gets into foul trouble or exhausted, there is nothing behind him. Similarly, I don’t think Orlando improved at all; they either stayed the same or became worse even with Vince “I’ll Let My Mother Fight For Me” Carter. This is the same team we took to 7 games without KG or another big body in Powe.
You hope they don't win 70 game?
I’m confused.
by CelticPride18 on Sep 3, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I thought I explained it clearly.
If they win 70 games, they will flame out in the playoffs. It will be a redux of Dallas 2007, Cleveland 2009, or, frankly, Boston 2009. (Or, the New England Patriots of the 2008 Super Bowl.)
Instead of calling them “the Big Three and Wallace,” I’ll just call them the Old Four. The Celtics need to preserve the minutes of the Old Four. I would much prefer 50 wins with everyone fresh and ready to play big minutes in the playoffs to 70 wins with everyone nursing nagging injuries (bone spurs for Pierce, weird knee issues for KG, ankle issues for Ray, and of course shoulder issued for Perk, etc.).
Winning 70 plus the championship would be great, of course. But to me, beyond merely getting into the playoffs, winning regular season games by playing the Old Four a lot decreases the probability of winning a championship.
I don't know about you
But while I agree with the general premise of your post, I don’t think the Cowboys, Cavs, or Patriots lost in the playoffs because they “flamed out”, especially not the Patriots. The Pats just got beat by the Giants D, plain and simple. Some people said the Cavs didn’t match well with the Magic, and they were right. Dallas in 2007…I assume you mean the 13-3 team? The Cowboys and Pats got beat by the same team, then.
I agree with the overall point of your post, but anything that could hamper the Celtics’ chances of winning this year aren’t a redux of those teams at all. They’re not worried about injury due to age, the Celtics are, and that’s really the only difference, and at the same time the only true issue for the Celtics.
by Tai on Sep 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no, Mavericks
The team that lost to Golden State in the first round.
Even with Tim Donaghy officiating every game...
Celtics will win 60 games by “accident” alone!!!
more
So long as they’re healthy, they have a better bench than last year, which (in my mind, anyway) means more than 62 wins.
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Sep 3, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions
70 plus
THIS TEAM WILL BE ONE ON OF THE BEST TEAMS IN NBA HISTORY
Sheed is every bit as good as KG. I dont think you people understand just how much of a nightmare Sheed is going to be for all the teams in the league. Everyone will have match up problems against us. Sheed is considered an old man and is still better than Bynum. WE will always control the paint, which means every team will have to shoot lights out ball for 4 quarters. Ok so lest say they play us even through Perk, KG, Ray, and Rondo . What are they going to do with Baby, what about Daniels, what about the 3’s from House. Giddens defense will come in to play this year. Walker will be one to spell PP this year. Every team in the league is going going to have offensive and defensive rotation problems playing us this year.
Pay attention!!! When we get rid of the expiring contracts and get those pick up’s or that one fantastic pick up. It’s going to get real… real ugly for the rest of the league. The further the season goes along the worst is gets for them.
70 plus is a big stretch.
Chances are the celtics arent going to sweep any of the elite teams
-2 lakers
- 1 spurs
- 1 portland
- 2 cavs
- 2 orlando
that leaves room for only 4 more losses. Very unlikely.
To be fair 57 is an undershoot however, i’d say 64 is a likely number
In Kobe we trust!
???
If I’m reading you correctly, you’re think LA will sweep the C’s? No way, no how. I’ll go with a home-and-home split but no way LA wins in Boston this year. I think Boston will send LA a message in that game and win comfortably.
I don’t see them losing 2 to Orlando or the Cavs either.
man I love that picture
I’m gonna go with a nice even 60 wins
I think they’ll steamroll over the have-nots of the league and win most of the games against decent competition
besides, after losing so many to the top teams last year (Christmas, etc) I think they’ll be motivated to win against the elite as well
the only time they’ll think about taking the foot off the pedal is near the end of the season and they still seem to win those games (the other teams have nothing to play for either)
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
agree with ty
we’ve gotten better,Cavs&Magic are a little worse…age/health to be overcome with depth…flexible contracts when needed…we’re set…plus we’re built to beat LA,pound’m with size…65+ wins and no series goes to a 7th game
70 is a possibility
speaking from strictly a talent standpoint, the C’s should win 70 or better this year.
I can understand road losses to LA, SA, Portland, Utah, Denver and maybe Dallas. A road loss to Cle and Orlando too (but not 2 road losses—I think they’ll make the adjustments to win on the road a second time).
A couple of surprise losses at home and a couple of surprise losses on the road to teams that have no business winning. Every team has a few of those games each season.
That’s 12 for a 70-12 record. I think the focus will be there this year to get the title back and to send a message to all the top teams that they intend to win.
We got better
And we have no good reason to believe KG WON’T play all season.
I see no reason why we’d win fewer with our competition slightly less geared up to play the defending champs.
interesting
the Lakers fans are pretty excited about this season – 35% believe the Lakers will top 70 wins and win the Championship (56% think they’ll merely win the Championship)
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2009/8/25/1001964/is-70-wins-more-likely-than
(note: if you go over there to comment – please do NOT troll – thanks)
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
What does Vegas say?
I’m not a betting man but if Vegas said 57 wins, I might become one. I feel confident they will win over 57 games.
I don't care how many they win,
It’s all about the Big 6 being healthy for the post season and peaking at the end of the season. I won’t worry if they take the Spurs path and focus on saving their strength and pouring it on in the playoffs wherever they play.
As far as KG, a lot of 07-08 was because he was so amped up and it infected everyone to go bezerk with effort. Having Wallace there and a new knee may make KG feel as energetic this year and you just know he wants to erase last year and show what should have happened. Last year I think he played with a sore knee the entire season (as he legendarily played through pain in his younger MN days) and just aggravated it beyond what any normal player could take and THEN injured it and then tried coming back. The man is certifiable and near impossible to keep of the court if he is near it.
And here’s hoping Daniels wins 7th Man of The Year.
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