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Who Has The Best Defense?

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Two years ago, the Celtics won the championship mostly because they had the best defense.  The Spurs won several titles largely because of their defense.  The biggest difference between the Lakers of 2 years ago and the Lakers of last year was... you guessed it, defense.

All of the top contenders boast good to great defenses.  All the top contenders made changes this offseason.  So it is worth a review of the competition and make a case for which team has the best defense (and thus perhaps the best shot at the title).

Understand first of all that there are no good defensive statistics (that I know of).  Stats are by nature flawed, but useful in context and they give us a good frame of reference to start from.  I'm sure you could make convincing arguments using more exotic stats, but I'll stick with the two most basic ones we've got: Points allowed and Field Goal Percentage (FG%).

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Last year the Celtics had the 3rd best average points allowed (93.4) behind the Cavs (91.4) and Spurs (93.3).  The Magic tied the Rockets for 6th at 94.4.  The obvious outlier is the Lakers in 14th place giving up 99.3 points per game.  

The major flaw with points allowed is pace of play.  In other words, if your team plays at a faster pace or scores more points, then your opponent gets more looks at the basket and usually scores more.  In short, you can have a good defense that gives up more points than another team that doesn't play as well on D.

So before we over analyze, we'll review the field goal percentage.  Last year the Cavs and Celtics actually tied for the lead in FG% at 43.1% while the Magic were right behind at 43.3%.  This time the Lakers showed up at 6th with 44.7% and the Spurs were down at 9th at 45.3%.  For point of reference, the Kings were worst with 48.3%.

That sure was a lot of numbers.  If you are anything like me, you skimmed that whole section.  It's ok, I don't blame you.  Let me sum up.  The best teams pretty much had some of the best defenses in the league.  Not shocking.  

You could make the case that the Cavs were the best defense based on these numbers.  You could make the case that the Celtics and Magic were not that far behind.  I would say that the Lakers were better than they appear at first glance and the Spurs maybe were a little worse than they appear based on points allowed alone.

So what about this year?  Who's primed to be the best this year?  Lets look at it team by team.

Cleveland Cavs: As expected, LeBron leads by example.  He's turned himself into a fierce help defender that habitually knocks shots into the 5th row with his elbow.  Varejao is active and good at getting the charge calls and Big Z takes up some space in the paint.  Big Ben is gone, but in his place is the even bigger Shaq.  He's not going to be the force he used to be, but he's an imposing presence just by stepping on the court.  Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon give them good depth at the wing as well.  Credit Mike Brown with coaching these guys up on this end of the court.  This team should once again be a force on defense.

Boston Celtics: The Celtics didn't slip that far from their breakneck pace of two years back, but losing KG for the end of the season didn't help.  Assuming he's back to full speed, the C's will once again be a force.  And assuming Rasheed is motivated (he should be) and Marquis performs as advertised, we can expect the bench to be extra stingy.  Tom Thibodeau gets a lot of well deserved credit for his work with this team, but credit Doc for making it a priority and letting Tom do his job.

Orlando Magic: Defensive Player of the Year Dwight Howard sets the tone here.  He changes a lot more shots than he blocks and he blocks more than anyone.  Pietrus is known for his defense and Nelson is no slouch.  How much will they miss Hedo?  Will Vince Carter buy in and knuckle down?  Those question marks are enough to wonder if this team has taken a step back though I'm guessing Van Gundy won't let them fall too far back.

Others: If fully healthy, the Spurs could be right in this conversation.  If the Rockets still had Yao, they would have a better shot at being in the elite (especially with Ariza on board).  How much will Ron Artest help the Lakers defense?

Conclusion:  Obviously defense isn't the only factor, but it is a big factor.   You could probably make a strong case for the Cavs, Celtics, or Magic for the best defense.  Interesting that they are in the East as well.  Expect the Finals representatvie to be the one that can lock down the other guys better. I'm obviously a little partial to the Celtics but I have a lot of respect for the other two teams as well  Give me the Celtics by a hair.

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Defensive statistics...

I think the two best defensive statistics are FG% allowed, and points per 100 possessions (also called “defensive efficiency”, or on basketball-reference.com, defensive rating). By looking at points allowed per possession, you’re mitigating the effect of pace.

Last season, according to basketball-reference.com, Orlando was #1 in defensive efficiency (101.9 pts/100 possessions), Boston was #2 (102.3), Cleveland was #3 (102.4), and the Lakers were #6 (104.7). Interestingly, ESPN / Hollinger has the same order, but has different numbers attached (Link).

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by Roy_Hobbs on Sep 21, 2009 5:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

that adds to the discussion and legitimizes the Magic’s place in the discussion

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by Jeff Clark on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, I wonder who'll win the poll ;)

That said, we’ll see next year. I want to see Sheed and Daniels perform before I judge this team tbh.

Same goes for Rondo this year.

- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel

by Kiorrik on Sep 21, 2009 5:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep

one of the more lopsided polls I’ve posted

though I think there’s a good deal of homerism going on here (myself included)

I really think the difference between the 3 teams is very, very small

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Sep 21, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as of this time there are..

5 Cavs fan, 98 Celtics fan, 3 Magic fans and for the rest of the league they can share the other 5 votes lol =P

by jeric on Sep 21, 2009 6:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Celtics

The C’s had the best defense last season until injuries hit.

Now with Wallace and Daniels on the roster, plus hopefully better health from KG, they should have no problem regaining their title as the best defensive team in the NBA.

by Who on Sep 21, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lakers

I’d be wary of the Lakers making big improvements defensively. Ron Artest is a nice addition who’ll make it very tough to score on the wing … but the x-factor is Bynum

Does Andrew Bynum commit to playing defense? Play with consistent effort + focus defensively? Because if he does he’s an All-Defensive player. He’s shown that ability in flashes but he’s never maintained it. He’s a little older … with Ron Artest and Kobe leading the defense … maybe he manages to come good next year.

Obviously, it’s nothing definite, but the Lakers have the capacity to get a lot better defensively next season. I think there’s a fair chance of that happening.

by Who on Sep 21, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fisher is such a liability on defense tho and bynum and odom dont always show up also you dont know hoe well pau will play in the playoffs when matched up against a true PF in KG and not a oversized three is lewis

by celtics94 on Sep 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trick Question?

All the top defensive teams will take a step back this season due to change in personnel as well as age. The Celtics however will improve from last year due to a deeper, healthier team.

by amenhotep04 on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It Depends

The Celtics will have the best defense IF Garnett is healthy. If Garnett is not healthy, my vote goes to the Cavs.

by Brickowski on Sep 21, 2009 8:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

totally agree

Plus the result of age on PP and Ray ray. And the summer of discontent from Danny on Rondo. Can Daniels stay healthy?

by chanter on Sep 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would largely agree but posit that

Rondo’s occasional apparent disinterest in sliding his feet and staying front of his man is far more disconcerting than whatever annoyance he may have had with what Danny said about him.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Sep 21, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here

here.

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by Eeyore III on Sep 21, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree cavs celtics are the two best in my mind and then LA and orlando, orlando has gotten worse on D this year tho with vince instead of hedo

by celtics94 on Sep 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heart Rex

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Sep 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would definitely throw San Antonio into the mix. Pop’s got depth he didn’t have last season. McDyess and Jefferson can both D up when motivated.

by tenaciousT on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our defense will be better than anyone. The Celtics are constructed to stop all teams.
We will display defense that has not been seen in years. Sheed was the anchor of Detroit’s defense. I think KG has been the anchor of our defense, I also believe Sheed is KG’s equal on defense and I think they feel the same way about each other. When management and players went to persuade Sheed to play here rather than retire it was because of what he brings to the game. That most certainly is not the normal way to get a player. But because of his skill level it was worth the try.

Daniels is a defensive player. Excellent at guarding three positions. He rebounds very well, causes people to foul him in the paint. Which will make the other team change there line up.Darn good pickup. Understand he is a sg but he can play limited minute’s at pg and can guard some sf’s.

Sheldon Williams! Excellent, excellent project for Clifford Ray. Sheldon was a lottery draft pick. Great foundation at Duke but has had no good NBA coaching. If Clifford Ray can make Perk into one of the premier big men, he can do the same with Sheldon.

The Spurs will come out of the west not the lakers. There new additions are McDyess who is a great pickup to help Duncan in the paint, and they have a rookie that Pop says is a rebounding machine (out of Pitt), plus Richard Jefferson.

by tyquinton on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL at the Spurs coming out the West

The Lakers have always owned them and there’s no reason even with the overrated Richard Jefferson there that would change now

by wavenstein on Sep 21, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given all the changes in the teams

I think I will have to postpone making a decision until at least the beginning of January. .

Cleveland’s starting five could see the addition of Shaq and Moon and the subtraction of West and Ilgauskas. The Magic have Nelson back instead of Alston who was the PG when the Magic played their best defensive ball. Also Turk and Lee have been replaced by Carter and Bass with a switch of Lewis to the SF position. These changes could have some major effects on their team’s defense.

The Celtics meanwhile have KG back and return the starting five that was part of one of the best defensive team’s ever. Also, the C’s are going to need to integrate Rasheed and Daniels into their defensive rotations for a bunch of minutes each game.

I say wait and see and let’s revisit this later for a definitive answer.

by nickagneta on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

moon will not be starting for cleveland

probably because of that other small forward they have. i think his name is lebron.

by hooray on Sep 21, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on Daniels

The question for me is, how good fits Daniels in our defense-system.
He’s not known as a strong defender and when he face up Lebron or Kobe, will he be as strong as Pierce against those guys?? I don’t know but I still think we have the best defense in the league.

I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°

by greenmech on Sep 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This may be a moot point if we have the rent-a-ref rotation

by johnnymost on Sep 21, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Homer I am.

I can’t vote against the Celtics! ;-)

That said, I’ll stick by my vote. The Cavs have new starters to mesh — we’re returning the same and they all know where each other will be. Orlando I’m guessing will improve on offense but degrade on defense. If KG’s knees are good for lateral movement and clear for lift-off, watch out. The other part that could really help is if Daniels can get the other team in foul trouble.

"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG

by SotaPop on Sep 21, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

going into the season tho its hard to make any judgments on whos going to be the best defensive team theres too many new players on all the contending teams and its impossible until you see them blend together on paper tho the celtics probably are the bst defensive team then the cavs. The lakers have kobe and artest really thats there only two good defensive players. We’ve got KG, Perk, Rondo, PIerce and allen is our one weak spot, where as the lakers have several exspecially matched up against the celtics we have an advantage defensively at every position except the SG spot.

by celtics94 on Sep 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with the KG staples in the knee rumor?

I’m disappointed Boston press doesn’t seem to be able to get to the bottom of this rumor and dispel the B.S. if that is what it is, or own it and admit it happened. We’ve already been deceived once about the injury issue last season/playoffs.

Other articles pale in comparison to a healthy KG. Why reporters/fans don’t pin Danny,Doc, medical staff, and KG to a wall and get this out one way or the other is beyond me.

Jets tried to hide Bret Favre’s injury the end of last year. It didn’t matter. Favre played poorly, Jets missed the playoffs. No KG contributed to us not being able to even make it to the Eastern finals. We aren’t children, if KG’s surgery was minor, great, sing it from the mountains. If he is still damaged goods, staples in the knee, more serious than publicly stating it is, the shame on the Celts for “playing” us again.

by brianceltfan on Sep 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What do you thnk it is that reporters and fans - fans in particular - can do

in order to “pin [Celtics personnel] to a wall and get this out”?

I’m just not sure I understand how this is the fans’ fault in any regard.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KG rumor with the staples

Basically as a Celt fan I would like to know what is going on with the KG knee. As a fan there isn’t much I can do but if I lived in Boston (which I don’t) and I attended a public function where fans could Q and A, I would definitely ask the question. I see these puff stories about Perk’s wedding, Rondo’s house, Scal’s summer, etc. That’s fine and dandy if that’s your cup of tea. Bottom line is this: KG’s knee will make or break our season. Smart reporters and loyal fans know this. Sure we are a good team without KG, but we are potentially great with him. Why local reporters appear to content to allow Doc, Danny, KG, etc skate on the staple rumor is beyond me. Why doesn’t Bill Simmon’s identify his source? The knee should be the “hot” topic and shame on management if they are trying to dupe us again. NY press would not allow this snow job to played on its fans like it was during the playoffs. Just the fact management won’t address the issue and dispel the B.S. or confirm, shows another snow job. We don’t need the deception, it is what it is. Reporters should do their job and management shouldn’t have to have their heads put in a vice to willingly tell the truth to fans. I guess the least we can do as fans is tell management we’re pissed off when they act this way towards the fan base.

by brianceltfan on Sep 21, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Defense? Tell me first about KG's knee

To answer the post about best defensive team simply find out the truth of KG’s knee. If his knee is as good as his mouth, yes we have the best defense. If not, we are probably in the #3 to #5 range for the best defensive team.

If KG’s knee can back up his mouth, we are no worse than the #3 team in the league, decent shot at #18. Without the knee, we are in the #4 to #7 range in my opinion.

by brianceltfan on Sep 21, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming from a Magic fan, the Celtics should have the best defense in the coming season.

In terms of measuring which teams have the best defenses, it’s always advisable to look at defensive efficiency, as well as Dean Oliver’s “Four Factors” .. eFG% allowed, turnover percentage, defensive rebounding percentage, and free throws/field goal attempts. It’s not that they’re more exotic; it’s more that they’re more accurate in deciphering which teams excel on defense. Looking at points allowed and field-goal percentage allowed doesn’t do much because a.) it doesn’t take into account for pace and b.) field-goal percentage doesn’t give more credit to made three-pointers, which effective field-goal percentage does.

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by erivera7 on Sep 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Supermetrics Eddy has it again

Good to see ya dropping by, sir.

And given that Ben’s been on Twitter for a while now, isn’t it time to edit the sig? :-D

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Sep 21, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree - thanks erivera7

you could probably have written this much better than I did, but thanks for dropping by

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by Jeff Clark on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem. I try to make CB a daily read because I do enjoy the content.

That said, you’re write-up was good. Figured I’d toss in my two cents and add to the discussion!

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by erivera7 on Sep 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. Good to see you're still hanging around!

I may need to edit the sig, yes. Hah.

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by erivera7 on Sep 22, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celtics all the way

I am a Magic fan, but I don’t see how the Magic get by the Celtics this year, now the Celtics have not one but two of the premier anti-Dwight players on their roster. With KG back in that mix to swallow up Rashard or help out on Lebron, I think that this year may be the best chance for Celtics to put the Lakers in their place again this year. I love my team, but I don’t see how anyone but the Celtics can take out a improved Laker team. And unfortunately, I don’t see anyone in the East able to take the Celtics out in the playoffs. But that’s why we play the games, as long as its the Celtics or the Magic representing, I can live with it!

by Eric9321 on Sep 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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