Camp Questions: How Healthy Is KG?
7 Days Till Camp! Leading up to the opening of training camp on Sept. 28 we'll be taking a look at several questions that should be resolved by the end of camp.
As discussed earlier this summer, the question about Kevin Garnett's health is the most important factor this season. Not just for the Celtics, but perhaps for the whole league.
Every report coming from the team and mainstream media is that KG is on target but taking things slowly out of precaution. However, Bill Simmons is waving a red warning flag that Garnett's injury is more serious than expected and the team's "Belichikian" evasiveness last year isn't helping many fans to take them at their word.
With that said, the staff has been careful not to declare him 100%. So it seems like shades of gray we are talking about here. He's probably not full recovered, but he doesn't have to be fully recovered until the games start to count. Perhaps it will take some time to get him into playing shape. If it were up to me, I'd keep him on a strict pitch count anyway.
The only way we're going to know for sure is when he steps on the court and plays. And even then we'll have to hope that he'll be ready for the playoffs after a long, grueling season. Rasheed is a nice piece of insurance, but if KG goes down again, the road to Banner 18 will be once again be a long one.
A lot is riding on Garnett's health. Here's hoping he's 100% sooner rather than later and more importantly still healthy throughout the playoffs.
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Thank you, for the article- this is the Question?
Okay, enough B.S. (management, KG, Doc, medical staff). No more games. We are all big boys and girls, just give us the straight dope on the knee.
Do we have staples or not? No hiding things like last season/playoffs.
This is probably against the Blog rules, but
about a day or two ago on another site whose identitty I forget (prob. SI or Hoopshype), and am too lazy to go find out again, on one of those “Twitter” windows, some NBA player in Las Vegas (again, I forget who, but it was someone whose name everyone would recognize) said that in effect “I’m about to start playing a pick-up game here in Vegas with my boyz” A, B, C, etc. (all past or present NBA players), one of whom was “kg.”
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
I think you must mean this?
RT @rudygay22: I’m getting ready 2 hoop at Joe Abunassar’s facility in Vegas w/ joe johnson, t lue, kg, c bllups, j tinsley & a bunch of …
Sorry, it got truncated.
Yes!
Ty Lue, “kg,” etc. It all makes sense, at least to me.
Why should Rudes not be telling the truth?
All this KG fretting is a bunch of hooey, if you ask me.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Well, I guess...
Those other guys might have been playing 3-on-3 with KG shooting free throws down the other end or something, but hopefully you’re right and KG is well on his way.
count me as WORRIED...
not to rain on any parades but doesn’t this seem eerily like last spring? Bill Simmons is right – it’s not hard to read in between the lines of what DA and co. are saying: KG is not ready to play yet, and he’s clearly not as far along as everyone would like.
If his knee were doing well there would be no need for the double speak – they could just come out and say his knee is great. But because his knee is BEHIND schedule (remember, this injury is still lagging from February) they have to say things like “we’re taking all the precautions” “he looks good” etc. Well I’m not buying it until i hear some convincing language.
by milt palacio's shot on Sep 21, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions
I think I said last week that
I was feeling like something with KG might be askew….
hopefully my adult Depends are choking off my blood supply to my abynormal brain
Is it Soup Yet?
“A lot is riding on KG’s health”? Thats putting it mildly. The whole season and foreseable future is riding on his health. No tickey-No landry. A Lot is less than everything?
Question is: Can this rotation can get out of the East?
rondo
ray / eddie
pp / daniels
Rasheed Wallace
perk / baby
I say……. Why not?
Wallace is an absolute stud. we’ve got Rondo, best pg in the East (yeah i said it). and with guys like Daniels, Davis, and House who can play effective mpg at multiple positions……… we are better than the mis-matchless magic and the confused cavs.
hey i think you're right
if we don’t have a healthy kg at the beginning of the season, rasheed wallace fills his shoes as well as anyone else can. Let’s not delude ourselves: Rasheed isn’t spinning backdoor for an alley-oop any time soon. He’s not getting on all fours to defend a SG past the 3 point line when there’s a bad switch. He’s not pounding his head into the support beneath the basket. He cannot replace the intensity or the electrifying quality of KG. BUT, he’s a smart, long, confident player who can spread the floor and pass the ball. Rasheed can do a few things that KG can’t, even, and he can definitely bring something to the table if Boston finds themselves relying on him more than expected.
by milt palacio's shot on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want Doc to stay good and scared about the soundness of Garnett's knee.
If he does, he’ll hopefully won’t run Garnett into the ground chasing after every last regular season win. Let him toss a few minutes off to the likes of Williams and Scalabrine, especially during the first half of the season.
What would YOU do?
If you were management or coach, would you go around saying all is 100% or better than projected? Better they don’t get fans whipped into unrealistic season openings out the gate and I’m glad they have the long haul in mind.
If you were KG, would you be bragging it up saying how good it feels and how you’re going to dominate again? I think KG likes to prove it on the court and saves his trash talking for competition with players, not the media.
Everybody chill. We’re playing for the post-season, not the pre-season or even first half of the season. The rest of the team needs the time to play together, the young players need some playing time, and we need KG to peak after the All-Star game is done.
"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG
i hope you're right SotaPop...
but i can tell you what I WOULDN’T do. I wouldn’t go about the situation in the exact same way as it was mishandled the last time. I would have Ed Lacerte chip in. I would have a clear explanation of what is up with the knee. What the timetable for recovery was expected to be, and how close KG is to that schedule.
Do this with the long run in mind? Yea, great, I’m all for it. If it’s a matter of KG waiting 3 more months to keep his knee healthy – I’ll accept this too (eventually) if I’m given reason to believe that he WILL finally come back after the 3 months are over. But if DA really has the long run in mind then he should protect his credibility a little bit, because at this point I don’t believe anything that anybody is saying about KG.
by milt palacio's shot on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. I should have clarified.
My post was more from the standpoint if things are going good, or as hoped, or even just normally (gasp!,with Robo-KG?!?), then that could explain the standard media quotes.
I totally agree with you (and the others) that if something is wrong they should come right out with it in open now. Nothing good comes out of keeping that private and it may even be good for the team to hear this said publicly to cement the fact that it would be up to them and that everyone knows it. I hoped mgmt learned that lesson.
"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG
worried too
The way Ainge handled last year’s situation (which Simmons reported on quite accurately IMO at seasons end) left quite a bad taste in my mouth. Bill was dead on when he pointed out the weakness of the (print) media and how much easier it is in today’s world for a team to control what info gets to the public.
Honestly, I don’t think we’ll ever see KG at “one hundred percent” again. Thing is, Ainge couldn’t ever come out and say that, even if it was true….
When it takes this long to recover from a un-diagnosable knee ‘strain’ this late in a heavy-minutes type career, that’s it.
i hope I’m wrong….
I think KG’s pretty much fine, the injury just made him lost that step he was inadvertently gonna lose around this time in his career anyway (everyone does).
He’s still gonna be good, just probably not as good as he has been. This is just the Celtics’ way of making it not seem like a surprise.
And then if he actually makes a full recovery, they’re just gonna say they’re surprised by how well he’s playing (which people won’t mind).
What would I do?
I would tell it exactly like it is? Why in God’s good name would the Celts have to play mind games with their own fans? If the Celts misdiagnosed the injury last spring, fine it is unfortunate but it happens. But to compound that by lying to the fans- wrong.
I heard excuses like, it would have been a “downer” for the players not to have hope of KG’s return. Hogwash. We’ve watched Pierce torture himself for years as a 34W Celt teammate. Our team was not good enough to win without KG and Powe, admitting it or hiding it was not going to get us #18.
It is not a question of chilling. It is a question of integrity. Management has a fiduciary responsibility to the fans. They ask us to support the team through ticket sales, merchandise, etc; we ask for a good honest effort in return.
I am all for Doc playing KG slowly, 30 min. or less, peaking for the playoff run like a marathoner approaching the finish line. That can all be done without deceiving the fans. We fans have a right to know what the truthful status is of our player. And shame on the Boston media for allowing Ainge to come out and tell fluff stories like him and Jordon playing gold together, etc.
Why the media can’t get to the truth about this one way or the other on the staples is ridiculous. Our season hinges on KG’s knee and the media won’t and can’t find out the truth on it? Tell Danny we don’t want to hear about his golf game, or Doc we don’t want to hear how he spent his summer, or a co-owner’s political aspirations. Tell them we want the dirt on the knee.
PS: I should not have said "Everybody chill".
Got carried away and I’ve got no right to tell folks here how to feel. Sorry.
Check out my reply above to clarify my post and let’s hope we all get pleasantly surprised.
"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG
Why would the Celts play mind games with their fans?
Two reasons, revenue and fan support.
Telling the fanbase that KG may never play at a high level again is PR suicide. If your Ainge, it’s much better to keep the fan’s hope alive, and deal with dissapointment in the offseason when the lights aren’t so bright.
If he tells us all now, ‘Hey, KG isn’t up to speed, and we may sit him until December and then re-evaluate", season ticket sales (paticularly the high $ luxery boxes) plumit.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Maybe I’m off base, but Ainge and crew DID play us all last year so they must have their reasons.
I think the support is still there even if management leveled with fans
I think the fan support in general would be there by the fans. I can’t speak of the high priced luxury boxes but with the economy they might take a hit anyway just like the new Yankee Stadium did. In general though I think the Celts would sell out most if not every game.
Let’s take your scenario that the injury was more awful than what we thought and KG is just a shell. Well we fans will know that by game 10 of the reg. season and know it for sure after 25 games. So if we have nothing from KG, don’t you feel duped again if Celt management played you so would go out and buy season tickets? With Sheed and Daniels we are still a top 6 team or so and should go at least as deep as last year. We can’t blame management or KG if the injury gods deal us a bad hand. I still think the fans will support the Celts, we will still win 55+ games even with a KG shell.
Bottom line is, Baby could match much of KG’s offense during the playoffs but couldn’t even get close to doing what KG does on the defensive end of the court. There was no benefit for the team to hide this from the fans then and there is no reason for hiding it now if that is what is being done.
Danny loses future fan support if he is hiding KG injury facts to make the extra buck now. The bottom line might be brighter this season but the payback can get hellish, especially when the big 3 are done.
by brianceltfan on Sep 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I two saw the other blog about KG playing in Vegas. Someone was talking to this trainer name Joe that explaining what was happening in vegas. In explaining that he mentioned the players that was present that was playing pick up games. It sounded as though KG went out there to play a normal game with no restrictions.
KG's knee
I want to believe that KG’s knee will be 100%, but I had a thought…questions about his knee could be behind the non-signing of Leon Powe. Having two key players rehabbing at the same time would not bode well for post season positioning…after all, Powe was not at the “far” end of the bench, he was one of the first off the bench.
However, either way, I would have dealt with the Powe situation the same way.
Hope for the best
Like everyone else i hope for the best with KG. Although I’m not thrilled with the way the Celts handle the whole KG issue, I’ll move on for now. By mid-Nov. we will have a better idea of where he’s at and how close to 100% he will be.
KG's knee
Just because they are not saying anything does not mean they are hiding. Doctors are not God, and sometimes even they have to “wait and see”. Projecting what “will” happen is not a good, or reliable, practice and can cause more harm than good.
by thirstyboots18 on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
I disagree on the Celts not hiding
I’ve read reports where the knee was operated on and the tendons were not touched, the operation was considered very successful. And even heard that KG was recovering ahead of schedule. Now we hear he isn’t playing any basketball at all and fine if everything is true and he has been told to not touch a ball only out of an abundance of caution. We can all live with that if that is the truth and that is the picture management is now painting.
Lo and behold Bill Simmons comes up with an ugly rumor that Kg is more or less damaged goods and that his “tendons were stapled together”. Well this goes completely opposite everything we as fans were told since the surgery. Then on top of that Simmon’s doesn’t seem to mention where he got his rumor. Jackie McMullin, an excellent reporter can’t confirm or deny anything, and nobody: ownership, Danny, Doc, KG, medical staff has a simple press conference to say this is B.S. if that’s what it is.
Surgery can be risky, and KG is an older athlete, hopes and plans don’t always work out. I don’t think there is any harm in all for Celts saying, we blew it on KG if they did, we should have done A,B,C with the injury instead of the wait and see approach/then cover it up. There is absolutely no harm in my opinion for a professional prognosis of what the ultimate outcome of the knee might be. But this goes beyond that, this goes to what damage the knee really did have and what exactly was or wasn’t done with it.
If this injury happens to JR, Walker, Scal, it isn’t the major issue it is and will be with KG. Our season rests on KG’s knee. Baby will never be a KG type defender so hiding the facts isn’t going to help or hurt our performance as a team. But it will make the fans feel jilted again if ownership is continuing what they did last spring. Whether they are or not I don’t know, but a simple press conference in my opinion can clear it all up.
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that this season totally hinges on KG’s knees. What if he was the first option off the bench? How great would that be? We have a complete team even without him…and age and injury has to be taken into account. The same goes for other teams…for example, Yao is going to be a huge loss…if Kobe went down, he would be a huge loss, etc. Until it is confirmed that KG’s knees will keep him from playing, I am going to look on the “sunny” side. Last year was a particularly hard year for the Celtics regarding injuries to key players. I hope and trust that this year will be better….

























