Camp Questions: What Is Tony Allen's Role?
by Jeff Clark on Sep 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
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4 Days Till Camp! Leading up to the opening of training camp on Sept. 28 we'll be taking a look at several questions that should be resolved by the end of camp.
I think Bent accurately described most fans' feelings about Tony Allen
I, like many of you, really want to support Tony. He's an infectiously enthusiastic guy that isn't expensive, came through the system and has, at times, seemed to be progressing towards becoming a productive and talented NBA player. However, even during his better performances, he can suddenly make an inexplicably bad decision and even during a solid run of games, he can suddenly lay an egg at the worst possible time. You just can't trust him.
The team has brought in Marquis Daniels. We already had Eddie House and (as discussed yesterday) Giddens and Walker are going to be pushing for more playing time. But Tony is still here despite the team's efforts to trade him for a bag of Spaldings (actually for the right to pay Daniels a little more and to open up a roster spot).
He can still play and he does have certain skill-sets that could be useful. But what is his role on this team? Depending on how camp plays out, it could be anything from key sub to inactive to "traded for a future protected 2nd rounder." Personally I think he'd be a much better fit on a rebuilding team like Minnesota or Memphis.
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I agree that his biggest role would/will be as an expiring contract. However, if Daniels plays some PG I see TA playing 10-15 mins at one of the wing spots to give Ray./PP a break so they aren’t worn out by Playoff time. Regardless of what people think, he has some skills but he certainly isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I thought that you were saying that
But I had a little doubt and thought you may be talking about Tony’s contract giving some relief to the Celtics’ finances next summer. My bad! :P
i don't think tony allen is that bad,
by jfarias on Sep 24, 2009 6:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
crap
looks hes gonna be our backup pg off the bench like in 07-08. injuires and sam cassell ended it for him , but hes serviceable in the role. .
but i will never forget him jumping at billups’ pump fake. the C’s were on a roll the media was about to crown them, that det game was our 1st big game. after that loss the C’s were called overrated and not true contenders. im still mad at tony for it
i predict the bench will be
1 tony. (dammit)
2 house
3 daniels
4 bbd
5 sheed
I can remember PP doing the same thing with Agent 0. But I think he did it twice that season and both costs us a game. That happens That is the signature move of all great scorers PP, Billups, Koby, Agent 0 and several of the big scorers create those calls all the time. It irritating especially when the star didn’t deserve the call, which also happens.
regarding "injuries and Sam Cassell" ending TA's role as backup PG off the bench in '07-'08,
TA appeared in 75 games in 2007-08. Sam Cassell made his first game appearance as a Celtic on March 10.
According to his 82games page, TA played 1% of the Celtics’ minutes at the point guard position that season.
I understand that 82games’ data isn’t flawless, especially in re: positional data and the concept of opponents’ production allowed, but it still tends to provide a fairly reliable outline.
I also get that TA performed admirably in a spot start against the Lakers in December 2007.
But I would be wary of overstating his contributions as a backup point in 2007-08.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Sep 25, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think tony allen is that bad,
I Do see why many people think he’s horrible but I just don’t think his game fits this team as much as we want it to. I think we should look into a trade with Minnesota. They have a bunch of point guards that we could use as our back up to Rondo. The goods for TA, he gets out of the East, which plays in Chicago more and will get more minutes on a not so good team. I hope where ever he goes he does good. Good luck Tony Allen
by jfarias on Sep 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His role?
His role is clear—as the player almost everyone loves to hate on.
But, as long as he’s on the team, he’s the clear favorite for the 10th man role, ahead of Walker/Giddens/Hudson (if signed).
And if Daniels gets hurt, or Ray/Paul go down (God forbid), TA could surprise us—just like Scal did when he finally got his opportunity.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
Tony's Role
It’s simply to compete for a job (or playing time). If he shows good in training camp he’ll still need to prove in the regular season that he belongs. I want him to succeed here, but I don’t think he will if he hasn’t really done it by now (despite the injuries).
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
As the starting 2 guard ...
on the Celtics Blog “All Consistently Overrated” starting 5.
by CoachBo on Sep 24, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good to see you around, Coach
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Sep 25, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
C's need to trade Allens expiring contract
Tony Allens has no worth to the Celtics.
Tony Allen has been given every chance the last several years by the C’s and has not produced, so its time for him to go period.
What the C’s have to do is trade Allen around the trade deadline since his expiring contract holds alot of value to many teams who will be looking to dump salary next year.
If unloaded the Celtics then can then go out a pick up either a big strong defending small forward or a big strong defending rebounding legit 7 ft back up center which tehy will need as insurance heading into the playoffs.
Why do I feel like...
…you copy and pasted something you said before?
Because......
….. I said it before, say it today and will say it again tomorrow because that’s my opinion on the Tony Allen and it will not change.
he is truly "thick as a brick"
but somewhere in there lies one last vein of explosiveness of what “could have been”. If that happens to surface (doubtful but possible) then “play the man”
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“Thick as a brick”—Master Po does it again! TA’s denseness really is his problem, an excellent defensive player who makes everyone cringe whenever he is in the game —at a key moment he might make a great play or he might do something inexplicable. But it will be up to Bill Walker and JR Giddens to outplay him if they want to earn a role.
his role? come in and jack up crappy jump shots
turn the ball over and to be who we think he is all season
by celticinorlando on Sep 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
His knack has always been getting to rim, where he had aknack for scoring and grabbing rebounds because he was unguarded. Both walker and giddens are bigger and younger. TA ha snever been a good shooter beyond 15 feet. He can’t be relied on to be a decision maker, which makes him kind of useless teamed with House. If Walker/ Giddens do well in camp, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him released.
his role on this site seems to be the team scapegoat. tony carries a lot of baggage but he is not the reason or close to the reason we were eliminated last year. he has had injuries and has been put into roles,e.g. point guard that he is not suitable for. who has the better jump shot- tony or rondo? it’s debatable.he gives us depth and his contract (expiring) gives us some possible maneuverability. a lot of us were down on scal (me too) and he showed up last year. maybe, it’s tony’s turn. if i were him i’d keep quiet and work my butt off.
Danny, explain it one more time...
In 2008, after seeing Tony play for 4 years, you gave him a 2-year extension….because you thought he could take the place of Posey???
You had to go and say Minnesota. ;-)
If that happens I will have to wonder if MN are The Original Red Claws. That recent post of “who’s left in free agency” was filled with at least 8 players with MN experience and many were Celtics too. What the heck, now-a-days I say if it helps the Celtics then sure, we’ll take the scrubs.
"I don’t think in the past. I don’t think in the future. You grasp the moment." -KG
It`s a shame....
Ray Allen is 34 years old, while Tony Allen is only 27!
boy he looks really athletic in that picture
attack the rim tony!
I think all hope is lost for this guy unfortunately. unless he has a sudden change of character he’s got serious confidence issues that barring a string of games where he gets regular run and plays well I don’t see him ever getting over.
I think Tony would have been...
… a solid player on a lottery team IF he had stayed healthy and got regular minutes. But that never happened. He had flashes when PP when down with a stress fracture, but again, that was for a bad team.
His inability to stay away from cheap fouls (the entire NBA must know by now that he will bite on ANY upfake) and make decent plays in limited minutes won’t get him much love from Doc.
He is who he is...
And right now, it’s trade fodder. He won’t get a chance to prove himself here any more than he already has. Trade him, now or later, possibly with Scal (who I’d hate to see go, but so it goes…). Maybe a trade with Minny for a PG would make sense…a package for Gomes (with either Walker or Giddens, 2nd rounder, etc.) would be fabulous, too.
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