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Regaining the Gold

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By Bent

The Celtics are about to embark on a quest to regain the championship. Right now, they are that defeated boxer/wrestler/MMA fighter (depending how old you are) standing in the ring the next night declaring what it meant to them to be champion and how they know what it takes, so you'd better watch out because I'm coming for MY title and ain't no two o' y'all big enough or strong enough in this house to even think about stoppin' me, brutha. Or something like that.

Ahem. Anyway, I started thinking about how difficult it is to regain the title once you've lost it. The axiom: "It's even harder to defend your title than to win it for the first time," has long been one of those things we take for granted, a bit like "Defense wins championships". Of course, it's usually true, but then there are always going to be events that dispel such myths. (Aaron Brooks averaging 18 points a game against the Lakers in last year's playoffs, for example.)

What about winning back the title after having lost it though? Is that more like retaining it, or winning it for the first time? We'll have to delve into the history books to try and answer this question.

Star-divide

As we should all be aware, the Celtics won 11 out of 13 titles between 1956 and 1969, with Bill Russell being involved in all of them. In those days, it seemed there was one team so far superior to everybody else, that seeing them repeat as champions year after year came to be expected and for another team to ascend to title status was an incredible achievement. There's too much parity for those conditions to exist today.

The next era stretched all the way to 1987. In that span, no team managed to repeat, not once. This is obviously when the "Harder to Repeat" theory was born. Clearly there were several different contenders during that span and although many teams won multiple titles, none was dominant enough to win back-to-back.

Suddenly, from 1987 to 2002, if you won one, it became impossible NOT to repeat. Everybody did it. The Lakers, then the Pistons, then the Bulls (3 straight), then the Rockets, then the Bulls again (3 more) and the Lakers (3 straight). The only team not to repeat in that span were the 1999 San Antonio Spurs, but that was the quirky strike shortened season, so we can practically ignore that. The number of teams in the league had increased and the overall talent pool dropped as a result, widening the gap between the teams with the best players in the league and the rest.

Since 2002, we find ourselves once again into an era where nobody has been able to repeat as champion. This suggests that the talent has levelled off and more teams are just a move or two away from becoming a contender. Once again, the Spurs stand out, because they lost the title and then won it back the next year, exactly what the Celtics will be attempting to replicate next June. In 2005, the Spurs were the first team since the 1986 Celtics to achieve that feat - and then promptly did it again two years later. Perhaps they should have marketed that as an attempt THREE-gain the title.

If this were boxing, the Bulls would be a two-time world champion and the Spurs would be a four-time world champion. Even the Russell-era Celtics would only be a three-time champion if this were boxing. Guess what, though. This isn't boxing. Each year's title is of equal worth to the players involved. Maybe it won't taste as sweet as that first (or 17th) one, but if the best two teams don't end up battling it out, it will be because of something quirky, like injuries or ill-timed slumps, not because a team couldn't overcome the fact that it's so much harder to repeat, or win for the first time, or whatever the prevailing rule in this particular era is.

Can the Celtics win another one? It's interesting to note that by not winning the title last season, the Detroit Pistons became the first team since the 1983 Philadelphia 76ers to NOT win a second title within five years.

History may therefore be on their side, although this could just be a whole new era where that doesn't happen much...does anyone really think the Heat are going to win another one any time soon? Ultimately the same challenges will face the Celtics as two years ago. LeBron, Kobe, some up and coming teams and some grizzled veteran groups.

If they want to emulate the Spurs, they do have a similar team. Young point guard, veteran big man, scorers at the swing positions and plenty of experience. Perhaps they should follow the Spurs pattern from those years and come out of the gates slowly, but hit their stride in time for the playoffs. Home court advantage will be important, but where did 27-2 get them last year, ultimately?

Having said that, although the Spurs began at a more leisurely 33-18 in 2007, they did still tend to get off to pretty fast starts, so I'm not sure where that reputation comes from. Another one of those things we take for granted, I guess.

Hopefully the Celtics can cope with the strain to regain so their reign can begin again.

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last line makes my head hurt - in a good way
Hopefully the Celtics can cope with the strain to regain so their reign can begin again.

well done!

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Sep 3, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice work, Bent

The breakdown of the Celtic monopoly, then no repeats, then all repeats was good. I had noticed that for research for past articles. An interesting quirk of the league.

You also touch on another point that segues to an article I’m working on.

Any history that points to another Celtic title……I’m in.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 3, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

It feels like a crossroad this coming season for the Celtics

More than any other time in Celtic history, Boston faces a crossroads after this season. One path leads to the despair and utter hopelessness of watching older players get older. The other, leads to the total painful road of rebuilding for years to come as we mire in dreadful losing seasons. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly. (LOL ………………kidding!!!!!! – just haivng fun with an old Woody Allen quote)

Good read Bent

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Sep 3, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

wait....

Both of those paths are terrible!

(1) despair and utter hopelessness of watching older players get older
(2) leads to the total painful road of rebuilding for years to come as we mire in dreadful losing seasons

Cloudy day in Kansas?

How about this path:
A romp to the finals, destroying all of the faux foes along the way, LBJMVP, Clark Kent, and Gardner Snake, staking a claim in Celtics history as one of the great Boston teams.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Sep 3, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said I was kidding ((sort of) (and I said AFTER this season))

Partially Cloudy and quite an abbynormal calm day in Kansas today – thank you very much

and don’t make me go all “KAHN” on you……

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Sep 3, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you still gave two depressing paths!

I’m not afraid of the wrath of Kahn. I’ll be right in the end. Just like I was right with the article linked below where I took a tremendous amount of crap in the comments. Re-reading it cracks me up.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2007/1/1/641985/gerald-the-laziest-celtic

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Sep 3, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, plus there were a ton of comments that were deleted as people swore at me.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Sep 3, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no self-hi-five?

Apparently I’m not better than that. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh and Read Chris Sheridan’s article on Ricky not coming until 2012.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Sep 3, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fully plan to post an “I told you so” article when we sign a PG ;)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Sep 3, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's clear Green17 had the last laugh though

People mention “G$” now, and they’re bombarded by a lot of sarcastic or borderline derogatory posts. Oh how times have changed. : )

by Tai on Sep 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about this path:
A romp to the finals, destroying all of the faux foes along the way, LBJMVP, Clark Kent, and Gardner Snake, staking a claim in Celtics history as one of the great Boston teams.

I’ll subscribe to that.

by stevenfuzz on Sep 3, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

noticed

that in the stretch of repeats, the repeating team had the dominant player in the league with the exception of the original Detroit bad boys who were just the best TEAM at that time.

LA first had Magic, DET had the team concept (hey, thuggery worked), Chi had MJ, Houston had Hakeem, Chi got MJ back and then LA had Shaq/Kobe. The each had good supporting casts but the

That type of single player dominance doesn’t quite exist in this era. There’s a number of truly great players spread through the league which expands the chances a different team can win each year.

by slamtheking on Sep 3, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Dynasty Years

Bent

having lived through that entire period, I can’t and don’t agree they were “superior to everyone else”. Starting in 1964 as players started retiring the teams talent level went down and other teams – especially LA and Philly – talent-wise were superior to the Celts. In 1967 Philly won the title and brought the same team, that had a much younger core back. The LA team of 1969 had Wilt, West and Baylor. The difference for several of those championships was the desire not talent.

by badax33 on Sep 3, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Desire doesn’t factor into superiority? It’s not all talent. If it were, Gerald Green would be a viable NBA player.

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Sep 3, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

I was not around then, which is why I led with “in those days, it seemed…” that there was one dominant team.

I am grateful to you for the added perspective. I love that desire can overcome talent and hope that today’s unit can go down a similar path.

by Bent on Sep 3, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I`m largely in agreement, but...

The 1968 Philly team was without Billy Cunningham when they faced Boston that year. He was injured in their previous series against NY, when he collided with a rookie named…Phil Jackson. Thanks, Phil!

In `69, LA had nothing beyond Wilt-West-Baylor. Further, Baylor was well past his prime at 33, and had bad knees.

by Title 18 on Sep 3, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baylor was Way Over the Hill

He only averaged 24.8 Pts per game, 10.6 reb and 5.4 assist. The Lakers as a team averaged around 128 Pts per game that year. West 25.9, Wilt 20.5 and Elgin at 24.8.

by badax33 on Sep 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

128 Pts. Per Game?????

—The Lakers averaged 112 pts. per game that year…which put them in the middle of the pack {6 out of 14 teams}.

—I never said Baylor was “washed-up” or “over the hill”….I said he was well past his prime. His shooting % was not good.

—They had a Big 3, but nothing else. They had only one other player average in double figures, and just barely {Mel Counts at 12 pts.}.

by Title 18 on Sep 3, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

112 Maybe

I couldn’t find any team scoring records – what I found was their roster with indiviidual scoring and reb totals. When i added up their totals that’s what they came to.

However, while trying to find team scoring totals from that year I did find where Elgin was 1st Team All NBa that year.

I know for a fact that the Celts came in to those finals all beat up. Buddy Leroux was the trainer and used miles and miles of tape and ace bandages on Russell, Satch, Em Bryant, Larry Seigfried, Don Nelson and Sam Jones. And I believe during the series Hondo strained a groin.

Again, my only point is that those Celtics were warriors and it was desire and not talent that won that series. And we did have Bill Russell!!!!!!!!!!

by badax33 on Sep 3, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said at the outset...

I am largely in agreement with you!!!

All I`m saying is that the Lakers were not as good as the hype surrounding them that year. The media portrayed them as a super team when they got Wilt, but they weren`t.

Offensively, LA averaged 112 {Boston 111}
Defensively, LA gave up 108 {Boston 105}

West pulled a groin muscle in the closing minutes of Game 5, and was heavily taped for the final two games. He still played great. Wilt sat out the final 5:45 of Game 7 with a twisted knee. Havlicek suffered blurred vision when he was poked in the eye in Game 3 by Erickson.

by Title 18 on Sep 3, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess we kind of agree

2 more points – The Celts were not special that year either they finished 48 and 34 and 4th in the division. This made them the visitor in every series. I believe they were and probably still are the only team to win an NBA Championship with being visiting team in each series.

by badax33 on Sep 3, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt!

The `69 Celtics were the only team to win a championship, by winning every series {3}, without ever having the home court.

Russ and Sam were ancient, and they did an amazing job of making their “last stand” really count! Havlicek was in his prime, and that really helped.

To win titles after being down 3-1 against Philly in `68…and down 2-0 against LA in `69….is beyond remarkable!!!!

by Title 18 on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The team won 62 games last year

The team won 62 games and went seven games against Orlando without Garnett. This year, they will have Rasheed Wallace taking Scal and Powe’s minutes off the bench, Daniels taking TA’s minutes and a healthy Garnett. The team added Wallace, Sheldon Williams and Daniels and lost Powe (who was injured during the playoffs and wouldn’t have been ready until the all-star break) and Marberry. This on a team that won 62 games and even without its best player was still probably the second best team in the East and the third best team in the NBA.

But a 57 year old fat aging Shaq is going to push the Cavs past the Celtics and the Fakers are going to repeat. Yeah right. The Celtics are going to dominate this year.

by John70 on Sep 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

The Lakers May Repeat

As with the Celtics, it all depends on injuries. Bynum is young but brittle, and Kobe is now in his 30s. However, they have added Artest, and Jordan Farmar is a pg that I’d love the Celtics to have. I do not see the Spurs dethroning them in the West.

by Brickowski on Sep 3, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Farmer but I think Artest was a mistake

Arest is old. He doesn’t defend as well as he used to. They would have better off keeping Ariza.

by John70 on Sep 3, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a Laker fan, let me say.....

please take Farmar. Please.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Sep 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You shoulda stopped at

“it all depends on injuries.” That’s what it WILL come down to, all across the top 5-6 true contenders. All the rest is mere coloration, in my opinion, although as Bent said an ill-timed slump is a possible secondary factor.

I for one am not going to predict injuries (except that Wally World will get injured, shortly after he signs with some team).

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Sep 3, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Any superstar gets injured, their team is basically done. The Celtics, actually, could lose a Big and still be contendors. But, that’s besides the point.

I mean, what if Shaq goes down/breaks his leg doing something stupid on his TV show? LeBron loses his arms trying to jump through the hoop during the junk contest?

by stevenfuzz on Sep 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bynum is the key to LA’s hopes. If he can stay healthy and play up to his abilities … then LA is a very scary side.

by Who on Sep 3, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The C's won back the title

in ‘86 but age and injuries caught up with them. This season is it for the Cs. If they don’t win, you can’t re-sign Ray and you go after another blue chipper FA in 2010. I still think the Lakers with Artest and the experience are the team to beat.

by The Real Large James 2 on Sep 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

the C's did not repeat...

coz their no.1 pick died on them…had Bias been alive it would have been sheer domination for that squad., We would have our SF that can dominate the way Worthy did for the Fakers….The C’s also did not repeat now b/c KG went down plain and simple…Isn’t Ironic that after every Celtic Championship its always the Fakers that goes on to win the very next yr. since the 80’s.

"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."

by bopna on Sep 3, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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