CSN: Rondo Worked With Mark Price On Jumper
by Jeff Clark on Sep 30, 2009 6:06 AM EDT
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Former Providence coach Tim Welsh said on CSN that Rondo went to Atlanta and worked with Mark Price on his shooting all summer. Welsh said before Rondo was a bad shooter and now he is an average shooter. Apparently Rondo has corrected the flaw in his shooting form.
Welsh said Rondo worked out every day all summer with Price and that he's keeping his elbow in now. Welsh expects him to take many jumpers in preseason to get his confidence [up].
There's a lot of "if's" on this team that hedge expectations on the downside. If KG isn't healthy... If the old guys get worn down... etc.
So it is nice to balance that with a few "if's" on the upside. If Rondo can develop an "average" jump shot, ...well, wow.
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See, then believe.
Gosh, this has become my motto this offseason :(
- Dirk 'DaarisDirk' van Boxtel
by Kiorrik on Sep 30, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
If true, it’s time to pay Rondo. If not …
by CoachBo on Sep 30, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently
the atlanta hawks are not paying Price anymore to be the shooting “adviser” for the team…..or not paying him enough.
by hawksdawgs on Sep 30, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great news.
Hopefully we will see the results of this hard work this season.
by Drucci on Sep 30, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get his confidence down?
Who writes this stuff? Someone please take an English composition class.
Great news about Rondo, but the write-up is a bit overstated. Rondo did not work out with Price everyday.
It will be interesting to see the new form.
by amenhotep04 on Sep 30, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
easy now
I actually swiped this off the RealGM message board (see the link) but I felt very confident doing so because it was one of our authors (Gant) who wrote it and it was backed up by other respected posters on that site
so you’ll have to excuse the post for being a little less than perfect – I cleaned up that last part
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 30, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Gant, anyway?
The season won’t be truly underway until we get a fix of 10 interesting/amusing tidbits from Gant.
by Bent on Sep 30, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Jeff
Giving exams today, and a bit on edge. Ninety-eight exams down and the high score so far is 78.
No need to talk about grade inflation with me.
by amenhotep04 on Sep 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
Mark Price also worked with Marquis Daniels on his three point shooting while he was in Indiana (26.5% and 20.0% the last two years). Let’s not expect miracles.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
by Roy_Hobbs on Sep 30, 2009 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
down is up
I apologize for typing “down” when I should have left the word out altogether. That’s what happens when you’re “up” an hour later than usual.
The important thing is the usually critical Tim Welsh saying something positive about Rondo’s shooting.
From today’s Mark Murphy article in the Herald, Doc said about Rondo, “The thing I’m impressed by is that he shot the ball really well…”
Thanks for the kind words Bent and Jeff. I miss Celticsblog and hopefully will be able to submit some good articles here again. I just have to get my chops back.
Go Celtics!! Go Celticsblog!
by Gant on Sep 30, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
best news I’ve heard in a while! Why wasn’t this mentioned earlier? Who cares that he added 10 pounds of muscle? Add 10 ft of range and now we’re talking!
by cons on Sep 30, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rondo's abnormally large hands have been hinderance as well.
Keep the elbow and follow through. He’ll more than likely struggle if they rebuilt his release but, in the end it will pay some dividends. It was something that needed to be done and will only enhance his skills going forward. I’ll be hoping for the best.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
by Birdbrain on Sep 30, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hands shmands
I’m so sick of hearing how Rondo’s big hands are supposedly the cause of his poor shooting.
Lots of guys with big hands shoot the ball just fine. Michael Jordan didn’t exactly have baby mits.
Rondo (like most mediocre shooters) has problems because his overall shot form has been poor. Elbows out and a flailing follow-through or no follow through at all.
I should know – my hands are perfectly sized but my shot still sucks … because of poor form!
LOL
by mmmmm on Oct 1, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 = 1986
If Garnet comes most of the way back and plays pain free this year this team will be one of if not the best team in Celtic, and maybe league history. This team is so stacked it’s not even funny. Remember how the Green team used to come in en masse in 86? That’s what I see with the Rasheed Team. Spread around the minutes. The depth is phenomenal. They’ll be toying with teams.
by Siggy on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So true Siggy
I have posted a few comments over this summer stating that this years Celtic team also reminds me alot of that great 86 Celtic team.
Glad to hear you see it that way also.
Just like you said that 86 team, possibly the greatest in NBA history was deep and talented just like this one.
On that 86 club you had that historic great starting 5 of Ainge, DJ, Parish, Mchale, Bird and great bench of 3 main players of Sichting, Wedman, Walton.
This years club may not be as talented per player as the 86 team, but they may be deeper with a great starting 5 of Rondo, Allen, Perk, Garnett, Pierce and what I see as potential solid 6 man bench rotation of House, Daniels, Baby, Rasheed ,Williams, Walker.
As you can see and as you said this team years team is definitely stacked.
And it could get stacked even more if Ainge can possibly trade Tony Allen and/or Scal for another quality bench player.
With this years talented deep Celtic club I see this year turning out to be just like the 86 where we will see the Celtics dominate opposing teams and eventually win another title.
by leothetiger on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Price has helped Rondo improve his jump shot ...
that’s great news since that was a big weakness in his offensive game.
If Rondo has developed a steady jumper now, no longer now will players be slacking off of him to double up on Pierce, Garnett or Rasheed etc.. which is big time good news to free those players up for easier shots.
Since the Celtics have now a 3 guard rotation of Rondo, Allen and Hudson who can all shoot the ball from the outside and keep the opposing teams defense honest, this now means the Celtics will be a much more potent offense team this year.
Go Celtics!
by leothetiger on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too good to be true
If Rondo’s shot has gone from “terrible” to “average,” they might as well just rename the MVP trophy after him and put him in Springfield right now. I’ll believe it when I see it.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
by Eeyore III on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know is...
If Mark Price worked with him this summer, then I’m hoping some of the attributes he had in NBA JAM and NBA Live (circa 1996/97ish) have rubbed off. The dude was MONEY in those games.
by MrTripleDouble10 on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HA! Price was totally money… I always played with Payton/Kemp.
by stevenfuzz on Sep 30, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else as pumped as me for this season??!!! Its just exciting stuff after more exciting stuff everyday.
by misterx2day on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Along with Jumpers....
Price should also teach Rondo how to shoot free-throws….64% does not cut it for a guard!
Rondo does a lot of things great, but has the shooting touch Shaq.
Hard to understand why any guard would spend his first 23 years ignoring such basics?
by Title 18 on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, because he was working on his free throws when he was three years old
He’s working on his deficiencies, theres no need to lambast him now.
by misterx2day on Sep 30, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite The %
I don’t think Rondo is really not that bad a free-throw shooter. I think he just needs to learn to calm himself down before taking them. A good teacher for this is not too far away—Ray Allen.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
by TrueGreen on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo working with Price
Occurs to me that one of the best, if not the best, jump shooters and FT shooters is in the same backcourt as Rondo. Why not go to him?
mikekane34
by mikekane34 on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don chaney
if rondo can do what don chaney did with his shot, we’ve got it made.
by nazzbo on Sep 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if...
the same thing that you see in baseball is true in basketball. I know in baseball, often the best coaches were NOT the best players. Often this is because it takes a lesser player who had to maximize every bit of productivity through technique, learning, refinement, etc. For the best players, much success comes naturally and they aren’t always self aware of what they are doing, why it’s right/wrong, etc. Often its the student of the game, and not the elite natural talent, that ends up being able to teach others well.
In otherwords, I wouldn’t necessarily assume Ray to be an excellent teacher just because he’s an excellent shooter. Everyone agrees clifford ray is an excellent big man coach in all aspects of the game: offense, defense, etc. But he was only a great rebounder for a couple years, and was average offensively.
by Fan from VT on Sep 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of Lee Trevino (I think) on swing coaches
“Why would anybody take lessons from someone who had trouble breaking 70 when they played?”
by BballTim on Sep 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His form was just horrific. I’m no pro player, but my shot form is better. My theory is that he never needed to shot the ball: he was always so much better than everyone (growing up, in college); that he could get to the rim or throw up an assist at will (still true).
Let’s hope his shot doesn’t develop until 2011. If he becomes an average shooter this year, he will be unstoppable. Superstar, All-Star unstoppable. What would his averages be, 18-10-10-4? Can you imagine how much money the Celtics are going to have to choke up? They better choke it up.
This is going to be Rondo’s year.
by stevenfuzz on Sep 30, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From someone who has enjoyed playing basketball since childhood, that picture is frightening. How could a professional NBA player, a point guard no less, have continued to display such putrid form on his shot? It’s not like he has been overly successful with his shot percentage-wise, either.
Someone get this kid a time machine.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
How many NBA PGs shoot 50%. ?
Rondo’s jumper seems way above average when the game is on the line.
His shot needs work but I hope it doesn’t get too good…His game would be diminished if he got jump shot happy.
by Finkelskyhook on Sep 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many NBA PGs have a worse looking shot than Shaq?
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great, great news......but
I’ve got to wonder why he never just got Ray Allen to work with him? His backcourt mate might have the best, and most pure jump shot in the history of the game. That’s quite a resource to ignore and go solicit the help of Mark Price.
Again……I’m ecstatic that he put time in with Price. His jumper was also a thing of beauty, and 90%+ free throws to boot…….but damnnn…….you got Ray Freaking Allen right here!!!
by bewareofdware on Sep 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is it so hard understand that Ray is not a shooting teacher? Mark Price gets paid to teach players how to shoot better. Do you go and ask the genius in your class to help you out with your math homework, or do you get a tutor to help you out? You get a tutor, because they know how to TEACH people. Ray Allen may be a great shooter, but he needs to be a great teacher too to help Rondo out. Its not like Rays skills will magically transfer to Rondo. Jeez, its really not that hard to understand…..
Also, Ray Allen has his own game to work on, he’s can’t put in the time that Rondo needs to learn to become an adequate shooter.
by misterx2day on Sep 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray would be the world’s highest paid shooting coach. Ray needs to continually work on his own game.
by Finkelskyhook on Sep 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray/Rondo
Ray has worked with Rondo on his shooting. From what I remember it wasn’t so much with technique, but how to go about practicing. For instance, instead of shooting from all different spots Ray told him to pick one spot and concentrate on shooting from there. When he had that down go to another spot. Also players don’t like to impose their techniques on other players unless they are asked to help out. If Rondo went to any player on his team and asked for help I doubt he would be turned down. We also don’t know any of the facts. I also think we are making too much of a big deal on Rondo’s shooting. He best helps the team on offense by pushing the ball and making good passes. He was forced to shoot more last year because of the injuries. I think it would be great if he became a great shooter, but he’s good enough for the team’s needs at present.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
by TrueGreen on Sep 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and further more
Ray was busy golfing this summer.
by stevenfuzz on Oct 1, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it's average
But would not be surprised if it’s slightly below average, which is a huge improvement. He could add about 3ppg in free throws alone…
by A Guy on Sep 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Price
…was a fantastic pure shooter…if he can get Rondo to tuck that right elbow in, rather than having it fly out than look out. Despite being a poor outside shooter, Rondo has a decent fg%….if he were to improve his form as his range increases, fantastic.
"They forgot about one thing ... they forgot about Larry Bird." -- Danny Ainge.
by The Converse Weapon on Sep 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about Ray
I’m sure he has given Rondo advice at different times, but Ray is still playing and needs to focus on being the best he can be. Does anyone here think Ray wants to stand around watching Rondo shoot 300 jumpshots every day? Its not good use of his time. Paying a top shooter like Price to do it is a no-brainer.
by Celticsbloke on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
Ray can’t just drop everything he’s doing to help Rondo out. And Rondo’s obviously not going to learn how to shoot by just watching Ray’s perfect form – if that could be done, then we’d all be NBA players.
by Pengaloo on Oct 1, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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