Breaking News: Vince Carter Is Bad At Defense
by Jeff Clark on Sep 30, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
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Just found this report to be amusing. (via Fanhouse)
Vince Carter -- the eight-time All-Star -- caught Van Gundy's wrath Wednesday, just the second day of training camp. Often treated with kid gloves during his time in New Jersey, Carter became the example of what not to do late in the morning practice.
"He (Carter) did not play well defensively today. He didn't do a good job out there. He's capable of doing a lot better, and that's what I want to see," Van Gundy said. "As a matter of fact, we'll talk to him about that and show him some (film) clips tomorrow."
Van Gundy was particularly upset when Carter fell asleep on one defensive possession, allowing J.J. Redick to catch and score on a back-door play.
File this under "stuff you should have thought about before making the trade."
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People don't believe me/us/them when I/we/they say that Vince can't play defense
Heh. Maybe they’ll think twice now. : )
by Tai on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't say that it will be relevant here for sure,
but I think there’s a distinction to be drawn between “cannot” and “does not care to” at times.
Of course, it does not reflect particularly well on VC that parts of his career may qualify for the latter category. But if that is the case, it means a VC with a higher interest level on a better team could lead to a better defensive performance.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worry Coach Van Gundy
remember his real name: “Half-Man Half Season”.
He will be hurt and crying on the sideline before you know it and his defense will be the least of your worries.
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Sep 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whens the last time Vince missed 41 games in a season?
I don’t know. I figured you did with a statement like Half Man Half Season.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
2nd day in training camp and the meltdown already starting for Orlando/Gundy
by j804 on Sep 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They should start Pietrus and bring VC off the bench against the other team;‘s 2nd unit. That’s the best way to use him.
Aside from his poor defense, VC plays individual offense only. When he’s hot, you win. When he isn’t, he shoots you right out of the game.
by Brickowski on Sep 30, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he tries to dunk over van gundy out of frustration.
by stevenfuzz on Sep 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Long Season
Do you think VC has tuned out Van Gundy yet?
by Thruthelookingglass on Sep 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
thought that was terrific as well.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can go either way
It is possible that this is the perfect place for Carter to raise his intensity since they already had success last year without him. If he can get motivated like Pierce when KG came to town, he will be a great pickup.
On the other hand, VC has been pretty consistent in his demeanor over his career. Raising his intensity seems against his nature.
by guava_wrench on Sep 30, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It's the second day. I think the issue is being overblown.
I was actually the person that asked Stan Van Gundy about Vince Carter’s defense. In any case, it’s no secret that Carter needs to work defensively but to call him “Half-Man, Half-Season”, state that he’s tuning the coach out, and say there’s a meltdown is pretty ridiculous when Vince agreed that it’s something that’ll take time.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Sep 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well yeah
but that’s kind of the point
nothing would make us happier than to see Vince live down to his reputation
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think that SVG will help Carter.
There’s no denying his ability to make his players better, more capable defenders.
We’ll see what happens!
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Sep 30, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to the fellowship of the hated
when you have a little success, fans of other teams stop seeing you as a nice story and start seeing you as a threat – the the hate follows
we had to re-learn that lesson last year
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
by Jeff Clark on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess.
It’s a shame everyone has to be wrapped up in so much negativity. A little positivity never hurts.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you around here, Eddy
Also, your presence at Magic practices is really cool.
That said, I stand with our fearless leader in that I would enjoy the “team killer” VC coming out at some point this year.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Oct 1, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve!
Have to say that be prepared to be disappointed, because after what Vince Carter was able to do last year with New Jersey as a leader and as a veteran, I think that’s an issue that’s been exaggerated quite a bit and overblown by the media, as well.
We’ll see how it goes.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 1, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahaha. Vince couldn’t guard me, in my late 40s.
by CoachBo on Sep 30, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird....
And I thought it was just his offense that was overrated. I stand corrected.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Hedo
This is what we’ve been talking about that Vince is no Hedo in terms of leadership and playing defense. Yes, Carter may be an All-Star adding ticket sales to the Magic Kingdom with his usual flair and athleticism but that’s about it! I wonder what the “experts” can say about this giving up a promising player in Courtney Lee and the stabilizer in their championship run in Rafer Alston for a player doesn’t know how to play defense. Ubuntu! CP
by JamesGreen on Oct 1, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hedo Turkoglu was a garbage defender
The system, and Dwight howard behind him…carter will be fine
by latin on Oct 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can file that under...
…things anyone watching NBA basketball over the last decade knows.
Why did they make this trade again? VC has a shorter contract that Hedo would have wanted?
I’m not GM, but I’m pretty sure that’s NOT how you build on a Finals appearance. Let a key starter go for an aging dunker on the decline.
by LuckyNumber07 on Oct 1, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Traded for offense
Vince is more versatile on offense than Hedo, and Hedo would have been overpaid. But the team’s strength was defense, and VC will be the weakest link. Considering they barely beat the Celtics w/out KG and Powe, I don’t expect them to be a huge threat to the Celtics.
"simul justus et peccator"
by cavman on Oct 1, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was with a back court of Alston and Lee
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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