Celtics run over by Bulls
by Jimmy Toscano on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 PM EST
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PrintCeltics came out of the gate slow tonight, only mustering up 39 points by halftime- and it didn't get much better from there, losing 96-83 to the Bulls. Nobody could get it going for the Celtics when they needed it. It seemed like we were waiting for a Celtics run all game, but it never came. Definitely disapointing to lose to this team after already beating them twice by 20+ points this season.
- Free throws, free throws, free throws. Got to hit them, and the Celtics didn't. 15-28 tonight.
- If I have to pick a player of the game, it goes to Eddie House. He was about the only bright spot about tonight's game. They should have gotten him more looks in the 4th. Second player goes to Glen Davis, who played well defensively while he was out there.
- Everybody was cold tonight. Ray never caught fire and wasn't a factor all game. Pierce also was pretty cold out there at times. Perkins ended with 14 and 10 but Noah didn't seem to have much of an issue with him out there.
- Celtics shot same percentage as Bulls from field (45%), but Bulls took 13 more shots.
- Rajon Rondo had a few costly turnovers, especially the one on the fast break midway through the 4th quarter. Celtics had a chance to cut the lead to four, but the turnover led to a Bulls score.
- Was it just me or did the Celtics do a lot of standing around with the ball on offense? There were three shot-clock violations in the first half, and Pierce was clueless on the last one.
- Seemed like the Bulls were blocking shots everytime the Celtics drove to the lane. They had 10 on the night.
- Celtics second chance points tonight: 2. Bulls: 16
Post-game reaction and recap to follow.
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not when the fat lady sang?
When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"
Hate to sound like a broken record....
But another long, strong, athletic small forward killed us again tonight.
Danny please get a long, strong, athletic wing defender (if you are not going to play Walker) ASAP.
Lets hope the C’s get some rest and can get healthy ASAP also.
Agree...
Luol Dung hurt us tonight.
If we had a big wing defender to throw on him to slow him down we could of possibly won this game tonight .
This has been a team weak spot all year so lets hope Danny can get someone come the trade deadline to remedy the problem using one of our expiring contracts,especially before we head into the playoffs
by leothetiger on Jan 14, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
It appeared they had no interest in the game tonight
Or at least some of the players. Pierce was in another world and Ray was not far behind. Missing 13 free throws and 18 turnovers with three shot clock violations — no excuse. Mentally the team was totally unprepared tonight.
Just looking really tired.
Wow we look beat. we cruised last night but Rondo is playing too much. So are all the starters. If we are going to lose some of these games anyway, until we get some guys back, let’s not kill the guys we do have. Play the srubs a little more. Scal was bringing some hustle and he should’ve played more. Walker should’ve got some time.
Starters all played 28 minutes or less last night though
Many of them simply played tonight like they were disinterested.
Do you really think playing 28 minutes instead of 36 is the same as resting?
The team just played their 4th game in 5 days and 5th game in 7! And all that while being seriously short-handed.
They are tired.
If you go look at the stats, shooting percentages for NBA players always track by how much rest they have. I.E. players shoot great with 3 days rest, less great on 2 days rest and so on and like crap on zero days rest. So tonight they couldn’t shoot free throws (15 of 28) or 3 pt shots (4-17) to save their lives. And they committed sloppy turnovers.
They need rest and they need KG, Wallace and Daniels to get healthy. Then they’ll be fine.
preaching to the choir
Even if they aren’t as talented, giddens, walker are hungrier than anyone else on the team. I’m more interested in watching hungry Celtics than tired Celtics. I want Lester Hudson back.
by milt palacio's shot on Jan 15, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
beg to differ re baby's defense
i thought baby played horrible D tonight. he failed to guard his man and missed numerous defensive rotations
Agreed
Baby missed a ton of rotations and his man was open often tonight.
Agree Baby looks lost out on the floor...
He also appears as if he has regressed from last years strong showing late in the season.
He also is getting alot of his shots blocked as was the case again tonight, which has to stop.
The question is, is Baby’s problems due to his injury or rust or is it more than that?
Hopefully he will snap out of it since we need his bulk and muscle currently and especially in the playoffs.
by leothetiger on Jan 14, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Bulls had 18 points in the paint in the first quarter, a majority of which Baby was not a part of. I think he was in for 4 of those points. In the 2nd quarter when he was in the Bulls didn’t score in the paint once on him. So I think some people on here are being a little hard on Baby
He’s still not there yet, but he put a +1 up in 26 minutes tonight while Scal and Perk put up -10 and -13. I’ll disagree with you on the horrible D comment.
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by Jimmy Toscano on Jan 14, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nah - I have to agree with those guys - BBD's defense was terrible.
He was consistently slow on switches and couldn’t keep guys out of the paint with his body.
He did use his bulk to good effect on offense, even though he didn’t score much. I saw him set several strong picks away from the ball to help clear the paint for Paul & Rondo. And had a couple of tommy point plays fighting for loseballs.
Scal played decent defense at times, but his shot started to regress again as the game wore on. And Deng shot a couple of rainbows way over him. Scal does a great job of keeping his man in front of him and guiding them to the help defense, but he simply can’t sky to try to really contest a tall man’s jump shot. Especially on tired legs.
Both Scal and BBD both looked really tired. Neither can be used to playing this many minutes as they’ve been getting.
Perk was really, really terrible on defense late in the game. Same behavior as in the Clippers and GS games – he stands around in the post while the other team plays 5 on 4 around the perimeter and then he’s slow/late coming out to contest the open man, giving up an easy jumper. He’s got to hustle on those plays.
hey,where is lester hudson when you need him?
rondo was bad tonight
just made the same comment above
i understand that giddens, walker were guaranteed, but they’re redundant, they don’t play, and they make the minimum. Couldn’t we have cut one of them in place of Lester, who actually showed some promise?
by milt palacio's shot on Jan 15, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Walker and Giddens played well vs the Nets
Doc needs to get them minutes while the teams is thin, so they can acclimate to this level
by nba is the worst on Jan 15, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Summing up the game
Paul and Ray combine for 10-28 from the field. Ray doesn’t go the line once. Celts miss 13 free throws and turn the ball over 18 times. That is all you need to know.
Dreadful
1) 15-28 from the line …Perk/Rondo, 11-23. Excellent Job
2) 18 turnovers, including five from Rondo and two on consecutive 3Q plays.
3) 4-17 from three and a bagel from Ray
4) 26 pitiful minutes from Baby who was either s step late all night or tripping over himself.
5) Deng crushed PP all night long and that block on PP in the 4Q came after Pierce managed to get a whole three inches off the ground.
All in all, one of the worst night’s of the year. This is not a very atletic team to begin with, but when you add in the fact that they look exhausted, it is not a prety picture. Nobody could finish at the rim tonight, the perimter defense was awful, and Rondo looked like he was about to circle the drain with five minutes to go.
It’s a good thing they have the weekend off because they really need it.
no healthy kg no title ..
if garnett is not healthy there is no shot at the title this team is a second round loss team plus they are showing there age teams that are younger and quicker always seem to beat them like the hawks prime example ..
We knew that before the season
The Lakers won´t win it all without Kobe, either.
That´s also the reason why I think any critcism towards the Celtics as a whole has to be taken with a grain of salt, at the moment.
I'd say we have a shot even without KG
If Sheed is good., and everyone else is healthy. Nothing easy of course, but a shot.
Now if Rondo went down… then we’d really have no shot.
Yes, close....
About the same as Portland maybe, with Roy healthy and another piece or two back in the lineup. Maybe a tad better shot than that. I say that on the assumption that Sheed can fill in for KG pretty well… if he really focuses. In one way, Sheed does MORE than KG… 3-pointers. With Sheed really on his game, we’d have a decent, though still long, shot.
KGs defense is better IMHO.
"I was like a kid in a candy store running around with his head cut off ,,,," 0_o
by CaliforniaGreen on Jan 15, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
KG
So Doc said tonight that he hopes KG will practice next Thursday and that might allow him to play next Friday. Practice? Practice? Isn’t KG supposedly fine and just trying to get his wind back? I guess not if next Thursday is his first practice. So I ask …. Would anyone like to bet KG plays next Friday against the Blazers? I’m making that market at 4-1 that KG plays.
Danny said tonight on Comcast..
He has no idea when KG will come back…..
1st the C’s said KG will be out 10 days, then that passed and Doc said it will be another another 10 days, now Ainge is saying we do not know when KG will be back.
I do not know who or what to believe any longer ???
by leothetiger on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Don't believe anybody
Just your eyes, when you see him on the court.
Not even halfway yet
44 more games left to play in the regular season – and every stretch the Celtics have with lots of games they get exhausted.
Why would one think that after 44 more games this team will be healthier than now?
by nba is the worst on Jan 15, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I am still shocked that the Celtics only scored 83 points tonight
83 points at home. Astounding. Injuries or no injuries, that is brutal.
BRIGHT SIDE
my a.p.b. on eddie house’s jump shot worked…he FINALLY found his stroke again…lets hope it continues!!
LOL - but two of their three OLDEST players - weren't even on the court!
Ray is the only ‘old’ guy out there right now.
Perk, Rondo, BBD, Williams, Giddens – those guys are kiddies.
Pierce, Eddie & Scal are not young, but they aren’t old either.
They were tired, though. And tired teams do look ‘old’.
SORRY..
I may sound like a pessimist but there will be NO 18 banner for us this year ( no different from last year’s, all excuses!!!).. No consistency from veterans, KG is not 100%, the bench haven’t been given enough exposure. Special mention goes to Walker & Williams. The Celtics look OLD & Doc has remained consistent, consistently CRAZY!!!
Cs got close a few times
…and each time they immediately made a huge effort to fall behind again. In that, they succeeded really well.
Ray – worst of all. Nothing but turnovers and missed shots. He’s beat… Doc has ground him down to dust. As soon as KG and Sheed come back, how about Ray developing… oh, I dunno… acute scabies, or massive pinworm infestation, or whatever… make something up, Doc/Danny – doesn’t matter what – we’re not gonna believe you anyway. Just get him some rest.
Paul, Rondo, Perk, Baby – all tired.
Shelden – stone hands, again.
JR Giddens – showed tonight why he’s never going to make it. With 4 seconds left in the 3rd, he got the inbound pass, fumbled it, and then instead of stepping up and taking the long shot, he passed the ball to TA with under 1 second to go, making it impossible for TA to get a shot off. JR had no time to think. This was his instinct taking over… and his instinct is to NOT step up, but to make his teammate look bad instead. I say this guy is history, asap.
Scal and Eddie – best players of a forgettable night.
Ok, Scal was borderline
But we’re grading on a curve, aren’t we? Eddie was the one clear bright spot.
Settle down, soldier
Yeah, they were gassed. And for the most part everyone played like you said (although I think only Eddie had a good night. Scal was good in portions and terrible in others).
But they did have pretty good reasons to be gassed. It wasn’t just the second of a back-to-back. It was the 4th game in 5 days and the 5th in 7 – of which 3 were road games.
Remember those splits I showed you about FG% as a function of rest?
All in all, this game should have been pretty predictable. Considering that the Bulls were a completely rested team, it is actually surprising how close it got near the end. I have to think that if they had KG or Sheed in there, they probably would have won because adding either in place of BBD/Scal almost certainly would have meant 3-4 more defensive stops and probably a handful of points. More than enough to have swung the game.
Same mantra as always – they will get rested – the second half has far fewer road games. But this team just desperately needs to get healthy so they can have the margin necessary to win these games even when they are gassed.
Yep
Tell you who’s really full of it… Donny Marshall, talking about how great the Bulls played. ‘Scuse me?? They sucked. As bad as the Cs were, this shoulda been a total blowout. But the Cs were in it to the end, only because the Bulls were so bad. Deng was great, of course. And Rose woke up near the end there… that’s about it.
Of course, Cs will rest, get back to the grind next week. No worries here. Glad to see Eddie hit a few. Learned something about JR. That’s about it.
Joaquim Noah
and his 15 points on 6 shots, 11 rebounds, and 4 block shots… would disagree that only Rose and Deng had good games. All the Bulls starters, even Taj Gibson and Hinrich had good nights.
On the Celtics side, Perkins isn’t getting enough credit. It’s true that near the end he either got lazy or tired and stopped defending the basket, but he was playing well up until then.
Yeah, you're right
…but he’s still ugly. So there.
(Overall tho, how good could they have been if we, playing like crap, were still in it almost right up to the end? Just sayin’…)
given the source this must be an observation and not a complaint.
"Oooohhh, cat in the wall, eh? Now you're talkin' my language."
Ditto...
Agree with mmmmm here. Thanks to a freak three point shot at the buzzer last night, the Cavs also lost game number 11. With the Hawks and Magic at 13 losses apiece, we are tied with the Cavs in the loss column for the best record in the East. That is incredible considering this team has not played one game at full strength. Injuries, to KG, Sheed, Daniels, BBD and we still are right there for homecourt advantage and a number one seed in the Eastern conference rounds. And we are only 2 behind the Lakers in the loss column. They are hurting as well and we have a chance to get close in on them when we play them on 1/31. It is tough to watch some of these games, especially the past 2 weeks. But if this team is intact after the All-Star break, we will be unstoppable. I expect Scal and TA to go in a trade and we will likely be even better by the playoffs. With all that said, I totally agree that we need a young wing to help with the more athletic teams. I am not sure Walker is the answer but he is a better alternative to Scal right now. He needs to play more.
The guy has TWENTY SECONDS of tick and made a mistake
Ridiculous post – virtually no NBA-level experience thanks to Doc, and you downgrade him to nothing on this?
How about 3 shot clock violations – by the experienced members of the squad?
by nba is the worst on Jan 15, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
That's right
Because as it happened, in those particular 20 seconds he showed his true nature. I thought what he did was disgusting. I would not be surprised if Doc noticed it too, and gets rid of the guy pronto now.
RIDICULOUS
Talk about snap judgement – LMAO
by nba is the worst on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Seemed like the Bulls were blocking shots everytime the Celtics drove to the lane. They had 10 on the night.
Either that, or we couldn’t buy a foul call.
Now THAT'S funny!
C’s got so much ref help it was laughable, especially in the 1st half
by nba is the worst on Jan 15, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Best game of the season
Incredible finish. Kid’s a rookie, just signed to a 10-day, had just one practice with the team… carries them to victory, including a buzzer-beating 3-pointer for the win. If it was a movie, you wouldn’t believe it.
i remember just seeing his call-up video and now here he is all over the news. great moment for him. props to sloane for giving him a chance; doc should take notes.
by cheekmeister on Jan 15, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
Gaines reminds me of Hudson... a lot
Looking at them… body type, history, talent, position, record… they could be twins. Difference is, one landed with a coach not so enamored of his vets that he won’t give a promising kid like this a shot. The other got cut without ever getting a serious chance in an NBA game. (Yeah, I know… Doc knows what he’s doing, he must not have done well in practice, yata, yata, yata (the kid’s nickname, as it turns out.))
agreed - cutting Lester seems like such a senseless move
especially when you have 2 redundant wing players (walker/giddens) who never play, one of whom has shown absolutely ZERO promise. Lester was poised, hungry, and most of all, he actually fills a need on this team. Doc doesn’t play rookies – this much is clear.
by milt palacio's shot on Jan 15, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Why does Doc
never ever play rookies nor young players is beyond me..He is so enamored with his vets even on back to back nights and never give a shot to young players who could, Im not saying make a difference but at the very least spell a useless Ray Allen or a dead tired PP out there…doc needs to experiment a littlle its not even a playoff game.. this is the right time to play Walker with all the injuries around..
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Re-post from Game Thread
This is the first time this season I’ve turned off a Celtic game before it was over, but they were that effing bad tonight. An embarrassment. I don’t want to hear any excuses, the Bulls are not any good, and they spent the entire second half BEGGING the Celtics to take the game from them, but Boston couldn’t/wouldn’t do it. Between a kajillion missed FTs, to Paul and Ray’s small play, to RONDO FORCING LONG PASS AFTER LONG PASS ON FAST BREAKS WHEN WE HAVE NUMBERS, I’m just disgusted all around. They just didn’t care enough tonight. It’s one thing to lose to a legit contender like the Hawks or a team that’s on fire for one night like the 76ers, but to lose to a mediocre at best team that was trying to give you the game like this, it’s inexcusable. I continue to maintain that they’ll be fine in the long run, but non-efforts like tonight’s are unacceptable if they want to raise Banner 18. Sorry for the rant, but that was effing hideous tonight.
the Bulls are not any good?
The Bulls are just starting to bond as a team. I don’t think they will ever be as good as this Celtic team is capable of being while healthy, but that being said, I believe they are on the verge of being pretty darn good. Noah will be a top five center in this league and Rose could be a top five player. This team will be very hard to beat thirty games from now!
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