Boy, That Escalated Quickly
by Jeff Clark on Jan 18, 2010 10:36 PM EST
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PrintCeltics were up 11 just before the half and let the Mavs just manhandle them the rest of the game eventually winning by 9.
Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch.
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart.
Ron Burgundy: I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?
- Nobody could stop Dirk tonight.
- We really miss KG on nights like tonight. He's about the only one that could have slowed Dirk down.
- In case you were wondering, the Celtics are 5 - 5 with Kevin Garnett out of the lineup. They are 22 - 7 with him.
- Didn't see enough of Rondo taking charge in the 2nd half.
- Nobody will remember this, but Perkins looked very comfortable on the post tonight.
- Valiant effort by Pierce as usual.
- The defense disappeared in the 2nd half. Then came the ugly turnovers. Then it was just a train rolling downhill that the C's couldn't stop.
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"smelling a trade soon"
man, i hope so
by KY Celts fan on Jan 19, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
The C's lacked motivation and killer instinct tonight...
They can not use the excuse they were tired since they had 3 days off.
The game was on national TV, was against the 2nd best team in the NBA and we played with no energy and no interest to win the game.
Heinson made agreat point on comcast saying that something is going on during halftime which is making the C’s come out in the 3rd period lifeless.
This problem of not coming out in the 3rd period with the proper killer instinct must be resolved ASAP.
celtics are in trouble
- rondo can only bring himself to play in spurts
- perk doesn’t look so good without KG does he?
- rasheed can’t stay out of foul trouble (wonder why)… note how his absence coincided with Nowitzki going off
- pierce is showing his age, still good but not great
- ray is really showing his age, good slipping to average
- eddie house can’t drop a rock in a lake right now
- big baby might as well spend his time sucking his thumb
…
we better hope KG comes back his floor crawling, chest pounding, crazy swearing fire breathing self real soon or else this celtics run is over.
The frustrating thing about this game was
they actually looked great for qrtrs 1, 2 & 4.
They just looked ridiculously BAAAAAD in qtr 3.
This team is suffering from the same problem as the Patriots – inability to play the full 48 (60, in the case of the Patriots).
Gotta play full steam all 48 minutes.
It would be easy to blame the rotations – thinking maybe they just haven’t found the right bench/starter mixes to keep the intensity up throughout the game. But in this case, it was the starters out there on the floor when they stunk the most.
No defense in the paint. Dallas had no fear about slashing to the hoop in that 3rd period. I agree that Perk’s defense is really suffering without KG in the paint to deny passing and slashing lanes. Perk is afraid to leave the paint to defend jump shooters and when he does, he gets burned.
The team ‘help defense’ broke down several times, with guys failing to pick up switches. Tommy was all over it so review the tape. Basically, in that 3rd period, we let them score practically every time they had the ball.
On offense, for some reason, the C’s stopped running the offense that worked great in the other three periods. In the 3rd period they collectively brain farted and started just standing around, wasting the shot clock and then throwing up a brick at the buzzer. Nobody was moving or trying to screen someone free for a shot or to open the paint! AAAARRRGH!!? WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR HEADS?
"The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart."
Keep the faith
Is it Soup Yet?
serious issues are here...
agree with most of reggie’s points.
time for a trade.
KG cannot be relied on. Ray Allen is poor defense.
something has to give.. hopefully a trade.
and Baby looks like it was a mistake to resign him.
Frankly I feel we are playing in a disgraceful fashion now. No guts, I mean come on who is going to get these guys out of slow mo??
we have a had several bad third quarters. We can’t play better than this with Perk, Sheed, PP, Ray, Rondo, House and Baby?? How many more excuses?
They have to make a change. I don’t agree this will end well if everyone is healthy. they don’t try hard enough EVER for a full game., They are shadow of the 2007-2008 team. It keeps our hope alive but the intensity isn’t there EVER for more than a half.
haven’t been around lately, so this is first i’ve seen in a few games and they were horrible in half two. no defensive effort and terrible defending of the pick and roll. forget about nowitzki, letting dampier score at will was pitiful. jason kidd outplayed rondo, that’s for sure. there was no leadership on the floor.
Orlando is playing LA tonight? Who you rooting for there?
by KY Celts fan on Jan 19, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Weird game
Kobe really stinks now. I really do not understand why they don’t just rest him, let him heal…. he’s actually a negative out there… shooting, what…4-18?? Plus a couple of TOs. Broken finger and all… why is he even out there? Lakers are so weird….
Orlando let their bench beat them. Re: kobe, i think nobody can stop him from playing. it will be weird and satisfying if the spurs (and c’s) will be the healthier team come playoffs time. crossingfingers
by cheekmeister on Jan 19, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
At this rate
Kobe will need a total body transplant by season’s end.
Kobe had a bad game
He will be fine. His team won. And right now, sadly, the Lakers are the best team in the NBA.
Another 2nd Half Collapse
- Rondo stopped playing basketball at around 9:30 in Q3. For the remainder of the game, he walked the ball up on offense, and played matador defense, if any. And the team stopped running their usual offense, reverted to 1-on-1, was indifferent on D, and generally stunk up the place. All mostly because Rondo just ran out of gas. You say he’s young, Doc… but you’re WEARING HIM OUT. This team needs a backup PG in the worst way.
- Doc needs to take a few practice sessions and dedicate them, in their entirety, to Ray Allen leading team-wide exercises in How To Hit FREE-THROWS. It has gotten completely ridiculous, how bad these guys are lately. They really MUST fix this before the 2nd season arrives.
…Tonight’s FT% = 50%
…Last 6 games’ FT%: = 63.7%
- Not a game goes by lately when the starters do not throw the ball away with indifferent, stupid dribbling and/or passing, at least 3 or 4 times. Tonight it was Paul’s turn, with help from Perk and Sheed. It’s getting really old, guys.
- Refs called a LOT of phantom fouls on the Mavs, who also suffered through a LOT of no-calls (mostly in the first half). And the Cs still lost. No blaming the refs this time… that’s for sure.
- Looks like what we already suspected: this team goes nowhere without Rondo playing his heart out. Without a real backup PG, and with Daniels out, they’re completely dependent on Rondo. When KG and Daniels are back… MAYBE this changes. But I’m not so sure of that. The only real solution is a great backup PG… I hope that happens, but it doesn’t look very likely. So yeah… Rondo’s just going to have to play his heart and guts out.
Someone has to get these guys to understand they are just not good enough, THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, to win with a half a$$ effort.
They just don’t get it. they think they are better than that. Its ridiculous. FOR GODDSAKE, D IS ALL ABOUT EFFORT, but they are going to walk their reps out there and things will be swell??? NO, get rid of some of these guys asap so they get a grip on their level of effort and concentration.
The alternative?Its not so hard. You tell them this is it we are gutting the team if they EVER have another effort like that. You can tell them all or meet with PP, Ray, Rondo, Perk ande Rasheed/KG
Why cant we finish games?
how is our “veteran” team gonna play so flat like that, it infuriating
by Perkinsschool4blind1 on Jan 18, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions
BABY
Looks like he shouldn’t even be playing. He’s like a lub of lard out there, with his thumb wrapped up. Either let him heal off court or don’t put him in there anymore, it’s just ridiculous. I mean he looks ABOSLUTELY NOTHING like he did last year. His face shows lack of enthusiasm he used to have. What’s wrong, Glen ? Girlfriend problems ?
Reunite these guys ...
… with Sheed and rename the team to Boston Pistons.
by getthat18now on Jan 19, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think everyone should be on the trading block except
except KG, Pierce, Perkins, Rondo and Sheed.
everyone else: expendable for youth, strength and talent.
Yes that includes House and Ray Allen.
Eddie House Sucks
Everyone should be on the trading block except Rondo and Perkins.
Yes, the House looks like it has been foreclosed on
He continues to be horrendous. One posession in the fourt tonight he had two straight wide open looks and was not even close. But hey, he is spending all his time worrying about getting into the all-star game three-point contest.
This is what will happen to a one-dimensional player like House. Once he loses that only skill, he loses all his values.
by getthat18now on Jan 19, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone needs to just gain some patientce and wait out this tough spot.
When the Celtics are healthy and everyone is performing well were almost un-beatable.
When KG gets back it gives us more bigs off the bench because Rasheed and Baby will be on the bench.
Marquis Daniels IS OUR BACK-UP POINT GUARD right now Eddie is forced to play PG which really affects his shooting.
When everyone is healthy our bench will go like this
PG- Marquis
SG- Eddie
SF- Tony Allen
PF- Davis
C- Rasheed
That line-up is great for us, it gives us Defense, Inside scoring, Outside scoring and ball handling.
Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and stop worrying when we lose a regular season game. Just because we lose games doesn’t mean we need to trade our bench away or trade Ray Allen or whatever other crazy ideas everyone has.
Like I’ve said before, when the Celtics are healthy were great. We just need to have some patientce.
Just wanna remind you
That the 2nd half collapse was mostly Rondo’s fault.
disagree - though he was a huge part of it
it was a collective effort at being crappy.
The team defense was very poorly executed – Perk, Sheed, Baby – all did a poor job of helping each other to deny the Mavs access to the paint. That was much more them than Rondo.
On offense, Rondo did start walking the ball up – but no one was moving or setting picks at all on offense. They all just stood around until somebody would try to do something with 4 or 5 seconds left.
The most bizarre thing is that they actually played pretty well on all of these exact points in most of the other 3 periods. But boy did they stink in that 3rd …
Didn't see it in Q4
Looked like everything went to hell in Q3 and stayed that way. I did not see any substantial improvement in Q4… maybe a little, but basically the same as Q3.
The standing around, the sticking of the ball, the 1-on-1 offense… all started, as it usually does, with Rondo. And you could see it… all of a sudden, he started walking the ball up, then passing it off to PP or Sheed, and go walking to a corner to watch. Like he just ran out of gas. Weird stuff.
Of course, the rest of the team contributed, as you say. But gotta lay it on Rondo, mostly.
Nate Robinson
was saying he wants to be a Celtic. The guy’s putting up 25-30 points a game now will D’Antoni trade him ?
Get it done, Danny !!
NATE IS ALWAYS 100% FIRE
But can he learn our sets?
And more importantly… what good will he be on D? And with rebounds? Not much……
If we're not 100 percent healthy ...
… by, say, April, it’s over.
DISGUSTED
Just got home from the game and disgusted is the only word I can use. The lack of effort and interest in the second half was unreal. Garnett or no Garnett, right now this team has no interest in playing games. Absolutely none. Tonight was the first time in 10 years that I left before the game ended. I am completely disgusted by that effort. Three days rest and playing a team that flew from Toronto yesterday and got clobbered by the Raptors. I am shocked at how poorly this team is playing. Rondo got owned by Kidd tonight and in the second half, it was like Rondo was not even in the game.
3 home games in a row !!
The battered road trip I could understand.
This I cannot. 3 home games.
Danny has to do something.
This is supposed to be a championship team.
Godspeed, Mr. Ainge……
last post.
Vote of no confidence in bench
Only 12 minutes for TA, despite being the first wing off the bench. Speaks volumes. Baby on Dirk? Please. As for Scal, Dirk beating you off the dribble? Please Needed. Athletic forward. Danny’s waiver wire boys (Paddy, Sheldon) arent it. And re a back up point. The Sam-I-Am-Starbury experiments pretty much say what needs to be said.
trades trades trades
trades trades trades….
the celtics will recieve something like a trade in a week or so…
his name is KG and when he comes back everything will be fixed so STOP PANICING
who's panicing?
Pg an obv need— as has been widely noted, house does better off the ball. As for forwards, show of hands, who likes Scal as 1st man off the bench? (yes, its temporary but answer the question). Baby has his moments but that 6-8 frame makes him a liability against fwds who play out side the paint (Dirk). Doc has thrown in the towel on Sheldon.
must he do evrything
Just wanna remind you
That the 2nd half collapse was mostly Rondo’s fault.
by DRJ1 on Jan 18, 2010 8:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can’t we rely on anyone else to create opportunities
by Perkinsschool4blind1 on Jan 18, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
plenty of sharp talented players out there
would give their left nut to be a Celtic.
get it done Danny
How many third quarter collapses this year?
Remember when the Celtics used to come out and bury opponents in the third quarter? I would guess that tonight was at least the 5th or 6th time that they have come out flat and lost a game in the third. It may even be more. What is going on in the locker room to cause this? How can a team that hasn’t played nor practiced since Thursday night look more tired at the end of a game than a team on the road that played yesterday? I think it’s time for the green eyeglasses to come off and to assess this team’s effort objectively. Just no excuse for the total lack of effort tonight.
third quarter collapses
That’s the name of the Orlando blog. The way things are going, it fits us more than the Magic.
From the way they shot the ball tonight, I can tell they skipped the morning shoot around again.
by getthat18now on Jan 19, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
UGLY STUFF
dont know what to say…
big baby’s a ghost of his former self
no fight or energy tonight ..i wonder how that can be when you call your self a “PRO”???!!
Trade
We need a take charge player like Dirk……..Pierce is not the answer …..Rondo to many TO in crunch time Baby not doing it No Hands Williams is a mistake……Scal sorry
House can’t shoot……what’s up……..make trades need a big time scorer to lead team.
the sky is not falling people
the team is recovering from some major hits to their roster and are in the process of finding their identity again. Not something done in 2 or 3 games…
Wise GM-like comments I’ve been reading:
1. KG is like having DWade or Kobe out. ‘08 was sheer willpower, KG was only out for a small stretch
2. Problems related to players have to do with how the team was built this year. E.g. House needs a PG to play off of, Quis is one of the keys (Qui?) to the second unit, etc.
3. Losses happen. Not a big deal if we don’t get homecourt because we can own CLE if healthy and the Magic may end up imploding
Try looking at the positives given the health/recent injury situation.
Bleed Green. What does it mean?
Regarding Eddie House
He simply cannot shoot anymore. Tonight, he received the ball several times where he likes to shoot and was clanging threes and twos. Maybe he will recover, but for the most part he has been bad this year. Ray also continues to look very old. And an 11-7 record at home is horrendous. KG or no KG, making excuses for all these home losses is almost nauseating to me.
where can I look up the facts for that? And does it break it down to the games where he’s playing more SG than PG?
Bleed Green. What does it mean?
by CelticsHooRah on Jan 19, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
And this
Note also, Doc is back to running Paul and Ray into the ground. Quis out, doesnt trust Tony (12 mintues? Right now, he’s needed for 20. Not a vote of confidence). Gids, Walker ? nevermind.
Re KG: For what it's worth...
…which I don’t think is much at this point… Cheryl Miller did report that she personally spoke with KG before the game, and he said that he’d be back on the court on Friday vs. Portland.
It’s worth repeating because this one is not coming from Doc or Danny, so I think it’s pretty believable.
THE WORST..
Is yet to come.. Trade or no trade, unless the Doc stop relying so much with his veterans & give his younger players some playing time, more trouble will be coming his way..
panic??
Silly people, we knew this was coming 3 years ago. Age always brings vulnerability in basketball. That said, Ainge always has that wheeler-dealer in him, so I’m sure he’s contemplating a move. Not sure any move he can make is any better than just getting KG and Daniels back though.
Thanks
Thanks for the tix celticsblog!!!! Even tho we lost, it was really fun! Go celtics!!!! We’ll win banner 18 once we’re healthy!
~Aaron
by bostonceltics on Jan 19, 2010 12:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the NBA is a cruel place
it’s good to see so many posts with very perceptive and rational points and suggestions. Right now over half the NBA can beat this team. I am a betting man and I thought with 3 days rest and Sheed back, with Dallas on a road stretch and us at home we could eek this out.
We all did. Nope.
Rondo is not Superman, Pierce is not Superman anymore and although this team may rat it out to the playoffs, I can no longer say I’m confident about it’s core.
I see BIG changes over the next 1-2 years.
This squad is in decline. we have to admit facts now.
The sooner we do something the better, because you all remember what the Dark Ages feels like.
Not hopeless....
If (a) the team gets healthy (a big “if”… but true for every team) and…
if (b) we get a reliable backup PG (also a big “if”…. but something I am confident Danny is very aware of and must be working on)… then this team is the one most likely to go all the way.
Whatever happens though, Rondo is going to have to play 16 great games in the playoffs — no sudden slouching in the 2nd half, man! — for us to make it.
NO! NO! NO!
Tell me this isn’t true. Tell me this wasn’t the Celtics playing in the Garden tonight. That team broke down at both ends of the court; couldn’t score and couldn’t play D.
Can anyone in the Celtics make that stupid easy shot called “Free Throw” ??
Too bad I went to this game
No, don’t remind me I won these tickets and I might not win good seats like this for a while. No, I will not admit I still enjoyed myself! : (
Anyways…seriously, what’s with the C’s in the 3rd quarter? I left my seat to get me and my mom food at halftime, convinced we were gonna kill the Mavs on national TV, and then we just collapse. Dirk alone shouldn’t be able to do that to us, guys.
news flash : other teams more talented and motivated than Celtics
Dallas, Atlanta and Chicago have a lot of talent on their teams. Without KG and Daniels we have Paul Pierce, Rondo and Ray and a bunch of role players and ray allen is no longer a superstar. My point is we’re not as talented as we think we are and as other people have been telling us. We’re are getting old in a hurry and there’s not a lot of young talent on this team. Rondo and Perk are building blocks for sure and I would also keep KG but Ray, Eddie, Pierce, Baby etc are all tradeable as far as I’m concerned. I don’t see Wyc ever trading Pierce but we can all see the future and it ain’t pretty. If I’m Danny I have to give serious thought to blowing this team up after this year otherwise we’re just going to watch more of the same. Doc will never play young players unless he’s forced to so until the roster changes he’s going to keep doing what he’s been doing and we’re going to keep seeing our older, fading, injured stars getting their asses kicked at home by younger, more athletic and more motivated teams.
disagree only with the comment about Ray Allen
his personal scoring average is down, but his net48 +/- is still among the best in the NBA. Overall, he’s been our most valuable player on the floor this season both in terms of quantity and quality.
He is still a great player, he’s just playing a different game than he did 5 years ago.
Otherwise, though – I agree with much of what you say. I would caveate that a lot of Doc’s decisions are based on information you and the rest of us fans are simply not privy to. We are not there to see the practices. We don’t know how many minutes of practice scrimmages the vets are logging. We don’t know how many mistakes the youngsters – who look so good in blowouts against crappy teams – might be making in practice against their peers on the team. Players move up & down the depth chart based on how they do in practice.
But the net result is, as you say – Doc is not likely to give a lot of minutes to some of the youngsters. They are too far down the depth chart at their positions.
Until Our D gets right,scoring is not the problem
sure our O has sucked lately but our D has been worse. We keep getting off to good starts but we all know it’s fools gold and that we’re going to collapse in the second half. Other than NJ the other night ( and they outscored us in the 2nd half also) we haven’t had a wire to wire job in quite a while. We no longer scare anyone because we don’t have the ability to put a team away and as of late we don’t have the ability to stop the other team down the stretch. we can put together one or two good plays but then the wheels come off. I think some of this is that we’re being unrealistic about the talent on this team. baby is coming off an injury and is overweight and undersized. Sheed is foul prone and is also on the downside. Eddie is undersized and isn’t hitting his shot. Rondo, after a hot start, as resorted to bad turnovers and inconsistent play. sometimes he pushed the tempo and other times he pounds the dribble. there is no one coming off the bench right now that’s consistent and we’re not getting any energy from the bench. Pierce and ray can no longer take over a game and Pierce is not getting any calls from the refs. But even with all that we can still win games if we start playing our vaunted defense. we seem to be able to play it for 1/2 and then we lose our focus and intensity
I think you are close to nailing a big part of the problem
the Celtic’s D is based on being pretty physical – guarding the paint and playing close on perimeter shooters to contest shots and create bad shots and turnovers. Fouls are going to happen with that strategy.
When you have all your top guys, then you have more fouls to give while still keeping top level talent on the floor. I.E. in a game where KG or Perk might pick up 3 quick ones, you bring in Sheed in place of either and you don’t have much drop off. But right now, if Perk or Sheed get in foul trouble, you are bringing BBD or Scal in. That’s a big drop off. Alternatively, you leave Perk or Sheed in for longer minutes, but playing ‘soft’ because of foul trouble. Ugh.
I'd given up second-guessing Doc...
… on the whole “playing kids” thing. But I have to say, with so many injured, and some still working their way back (Sheed, BBD), AND with Walker/Giddens showing promise against the Nets … what the hell? Why not give them more time? And I’m not Tony Allen fan, but 12 minutes? It is weird. But yes, these guys will struggle until they’re completely healthy.
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