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Let the Ray Allen Trade Rumors Begin

Even though we haven't even hit February yet, the trade rumors are starting to swirl. From A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com: 

While the Celtics have maintained repeatedly that they have no intentions of moving any of their core guys between now and the Feb. 18 trading deadline -- and I believe 'em on this one -- multiple league sources confirmed today that the Golden State Warriors are giving some thought to putting together a trade package that would involve Monta Ellis going to Boston in exchange for Allen.

For such a deal to work, the Warriors would have to include at least one additional salary. The most likely player to be included would be Vladamir Radmonovic, who has a player option after this season but isn't expected to exercise it.

Danny Ainge, Boston's president of basketball operations, has talked to a number of teams about a number of players recently.

But it doesn't appear that this is a deal he has given any serious thought to considering.

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Isn’t Monta Ellis still injured? We need to win this year baby!

by liamail on Jan 25, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

He recently banged up his ankle

The same one he tore up on a moped.

Before that he was playing a ton of minutes, and playing pretty well. (for a ball hog)

by Fafnir on Jan 25, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmmmmmm

A few things. First, let me start off by saying that I am a hardcore warriors fan. And this trade is not going to happen….EVER. Well, let me rephrase that…Our management is filled with morons who don’t like spending money or winning, so the trade may happen, but if us fans were the GM, this trade would never happen!

OK, now for my points.

He recently banged up his ankle. The same one he tore up on a moped.

This is NOT TRUE. Monta sprained his RIGHT ankle, because a Net’s player stepped on it! His LEFT ankle was the one that was hurt during his little joy ride.

Next,

(for a ball hog)

I don’t know why you call him this, because HE IS NOT. He does not have any talent surrounding him, which is the main reason why the ball is in his hands so often. Don Nelson uses 3 plays: Iso Monta Ellis, Iso Corey Maggette, and Two man game Monta and Corey. Oh, with a little stephen curry sprinkled in. If you are talking about him leading the league in turnovers, that is beause he is an sg forced to play pg.

Well, whatever. Honestly, I don’t think either team benefits from this trade, as Monta screws up your veteran chemistry, and Ray allen screws up our young core.

Thanks for the time!!!!

Living for a magical 8th seed run

by KashRocks on Jan 25, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds good

But, like they say, it takes two to tango, and I don’t think Danny wants to RSVP with this on the card. : )

So, no worries from you, no worries from me.

Thanks for coming. Come again!

by Tai on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure...

our team, right now, could win it all this year.

by Chief # 1 on Jan 25, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Monta and.....

I say no,

Not with Rondo on the team. Rondo and Monta as our backcourt. Just not so confident that they would gel, and have the chemistry up to a respectable level. I like Monta, but i dont think Rondo and Monta mix well at all.

by fanofgreen on Jan 25, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

agree

Monta’s a great player, but an absolute chemistry killer. GS wouldn’t be looking to deal him if he wasn’t…

And he plays no defense and has no interest in making the extra pass; which is evident in his shot selection, which makes Antoine’s shot selection look cerebral by comparison…

This deal would signal that Ainge is punting on the Big 3 contention window, which I think is a bit premature. I think we’ll resign both Ray and Paul and give it two more seasons with our current starting lineup, then punt on this core when KG’s deal is an expiring one (and trade him). Ray and Paul will be around in this league longer than KG, I’d be willing to guess.

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re not going to remain a contender through KG’s entire contract.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Jan 25, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that. We’ve got this year as a legit contender, next year as an outside chance, and that’s it for the KG core…

But, because of the contract structures where first Ray, then Paul, then KG expire; I think it’s likely we keep Ray around this year to compete and then see if he can be re-signed cheap. The following year would be ideal to deal an expiring, but it’s Paul Pierce and I just don’t see that happening. I think Ainge will expect a bit of a down year next year, then the following year (after re-signing Paul for the hometown discount) look to reload by dealing KG’s expiring deal.

At that point, our core would become Rondo, Perk and whoever we can add with KG’s expiring; with really good role players who can spread the floor in Pierce and Allen. Both of those two are much better suited to play into their mid/late 30’s (a la Reggie Miller) than KG is.

Anyways, that’s my longwinded thought on that matter….

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

they mix perfectly

rondo is a passer and defender monta is a scorer

by incoherent. on Jan 25, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

who never passes the ball and doesn’t rotate on d and is a known cancer in the locker room. why else would GS want to trade him considering those gaudy numbers he’s putting up?

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No they don't

Because neither is a good shooter from distance. The spacing of the floor would suffer something awful.

by Fafnir on Jan 25, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

They definitely don’t mix well. Keep RA, atleast for this year.

by MattGaul on Jan 25, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

YES

i say yes to 26 points 5 assists 2 steals a game

by incoherent. on Jan 25, 2010 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

this ain’t fantasy ball, he only posts those numbers because of the volume of shots he take in Don Nelson’s system.

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

shooting %?

His shooting percentage is just as good as Ray Allen’s (46.0% vs. 45.6%, as of 25 January). With fewer shots (better selection), presumably his % would go up.

I think Monta Ellis is the better player right now.

by dslack on Jan 25, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Raw field goal percentage is a flawed stat,

as it doesn’t take into account three-pointers or work done at the foul line in terms of scoring efficiency.

True shooting, which does both, is a more accurate measure (or if you’re only interested in scoring from the field, eFG%, which counts three-pointers as 1.5 makes, since they’re worth 150% of two-pointers).

Allen obliterates Monta in TS% this season, 57.3 to 51.9.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 26, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

With Golden State

Do you think he’d post those numbers in Boston alongside Paul Pierce?

by Greg Payne on Jan 25, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

no chance. and he’d kill us on D and increase our TO’s tenfold.

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

would ray allen post those numbers in golden state?

by incoherent. on Jan 25, 2010 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

Have you wanted GS much? Monta is a straight hucker, shoots from anywhere no matter how many guys are on him.

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He does that on GS, but they're a mess.

He might not do that here with KG, Paul and Sheed to help him/demand that he play smart.

Easy win for us going forward. He’s more talented now than Ray is. Don’t know that Danny would upset the apple cart for this move though, but it is intriguing.

Truly a stupid move from GS’ perspective though. He’s very young and has a world of talent to be giving away for cap space. You’d think they’d be looking for better return than Ray’s expiring for Monta.

by Mencius on Jan 25, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

if GSW promised to buy ray out....

i’d make the deal, otherwise I’ll pass. Monta is a great talent, but his size and skillset wouldn’;t mesh with the rest of the team.

by lowfatalbob on Jan 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

Toss in Anthony Randolph and I’d do it.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Jan 25, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Disregard my earlier statement

I don’t want him.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Jan 25, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, it is very interesting as a hardcore Warriors fan to see another team's fans (who obviously don't know anything about the Warriors) percieve our team and players

First of all, we would never trade Ellis straight up for Allen. Ellis is the much better player, although I don’t know if he would gel well in Boston.
Second of all, We would NEVER, in a million years through in Randolph.
Third of all, if you don’t want him, either you have never seen him play and seen his raw potential (I know its a dirty word, but its true. He could be GOOD!) or there is something wrong with you…
Forth of all for everyone out there!!!!!!!
ELLIS IS A GOOD PLAYER. HE IS NOT A BALLHOG!!!! HE IS CURRENTLY PLAYING ON A TEAM THAT IS VERY INJURED (and not even very good when not injured!) AND THE OTHER NIGHT STARTED, I REPEAT, STARTED THREE!!! D-LEAGUE PLAYERS ON 10 DAY CONTRACTS. PLUS WE HAVE TWO INJURED D-LEAGUE PLAYERS!. WHEN BARON AND JACKSON WERE ON THE TEAM MONTA WAS NOT A BALL HOG AND BECAME ONE OF THE VERY FEW GUARDS TO EVER SHOOT 60% FOR A MONTH. MONTA IS A GREAT YOUNG TALENTED AND FUN TO WATCH PLAYER AND I DON’T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG SITE IS GETTING SUCH OFF BASE VEIWS OF HIM. MAYBE YOU SHOULD WATCH HIM PLAY!!!!!!

by freerandolph on Jan 26, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't about whether Ellis is a good/bad player.

He would just be a horrible fit for the Celtics this year. And I’m not sure he’d be a great fit for them for the future either.

Ellis is younger. He’s scoring more points. But no way in hell is he a ‘much better player’ than Ray Allen. And I’m talking this year. Ellis is a negative contributor on a suck team. His Net48 is -2.5. And before you go blaming that all on his horrible team – he’s played 86% of his possible minutes on that team so he’s just as responsible as any other.

Ray, conversely has played more minutes (75%) than anybody else on the Celtics, and posted a +10.3. Yes, he’s got better players around him, but he is a huge reason why they are successful. Arguably he has been the most valuable player on a championship contending team.

Ray Allen is a Hall of Famer the moment he walks off the court for the last time.

Ellis? You can keep him.

Your shouting doesn’t endear you to folks, btw. Go easy on the caps lock key.

by mmmmm on Jan 26, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I guess that caps were a bit much, but I was just frustrated at Celtics fans disrespect for Ellis

But anyway
I do blame that on having a bad team and on playing the most minutes out of anyone in the league (at least until a couple of games ago when he got injured I know that was true). If Ellis got to play with even one player who was the caliber of Rondo, Pierce, or Garnet, I then we could get a better idea, but since their teams are so different I don’t think we can really come to a definitive answer and agree…

by freerandolph on Jan 26, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

We'd be talking about two guards who are 6'1 and 6'3 as our starting backcourt

Could be tough against opponents with larger guards, especially considering defense is Monta’s claim to fame.

by Greg Payne on Jan 25, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

I just thought about that after posting.

The trade would destroy our championship hopes.

Guards like Johnson & Kobe would have a field day against us.

Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...

by ManUp on Jan 25, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In fairness,

Johnson already does.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at teams like Orlando and Atlanta

Who have Vince Carter and Joe Johnson starting at 2-guard, respectively. Could we realistically see Monta matching up with either of those guys?

by Greg Payne on Jan 25, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Raja Bell

The other salary has to be Raja Bell, not VladRad.

Bell would start and would defend the Kobes, etc. Ellis would be “instant offense” off the bench.

by Brickowski on Jan 25, 2010 7:26 PM EST reply actions  

Azubuike, nice player that he is,

is all kinds of done for the season with an injury.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ellis to start Rondo off the bench …..

by juanpan on Jan 29, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Naaaa...

Hinrich Danny!!!

KIRK HINRICH, TYRUS THOMAS AND JOHN SALMONS for Ray Ray, Giddens and Shelden….

by Rogerio on Jan 25, 2010 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Trade

would sure be a good trade for us……

by juanpan on Jan 29, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I came here to say everything that D Dub has already said.

A trade for Monta means Ainge is raising the white flag on this season. Ellis is a chemistry-killing, ball-stopping black hole. He is the Bizarro Ray Allen.

by Lucky17 on Jan 25, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Theo Epstein didn't raise

the flag, he realized what they had was not good enough and dealt the much loved Nomar for a championship.

by Little D on Jan 25, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

On multiple levels. Ellis can’t duplicate the spacing that Allen provides, which is critical to Boston’s offense because Rondo can’t shoot. Ellis would also take the ball out of Rondo’s hands, and he’s significantly less efficient with it. While Ellis certainly is a better defensive player than his play in Golden State indicates, you’re creating big mismatches against wings like Johnson, Carter, and Kobe, all of whom Boston will probably face if they intend to make it all the way to the Finals.

From a financial standpoint, you’re paying for Ellis for the rest of his contract, which is a big turn-off, as 1) you can let Allen’s contract expire and take the financial relief 2) you can resign Allen for probably a much cheaper deal 3) if Ainge really wants to take back a big salary, Ellis is hardly the best he could find.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 25, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

As mentioned above,

could the C’s really be less effective against Johnson than they already have been this season?

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

*Shrug*

If that’s the case, don’t exacerbate a current problem. I’m not sure Ellis is an improvement in that regard.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 25, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i should clarify

that was tongue-in-cheek and not meant as a refutation of your assertion that the C’s shouldn’t make the trade.

I just found it interesting that Johnson’s name made it into a couple of comments from different posters regarding trouble stopping the two, when the fact is that I think moving from Allen to Ellis could hardly make that particular problem worse, given how he has torched the Celts of late.

Just goofing around here, as you were.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Tongue-in-cheek moments are hard to discern when the context isn’t immediately visible.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 25, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, always tougher in print as well

So it goes.

My apologies for any confusion there.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Jan 25, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Switching to Ellis WOULD make it worse against Johnson.

Not because Ellis would necessarily be a worse man-up defender on Johnson (though I am positive he would be).

But because our overall TEAM defense and TEAM offense would suffer in switching Ellis in for Ray. Whether that’s against Johnson and the Hawks is irrelevant.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this would make us a worse team for this year. And I’m not sure it would really help the team for next year.

by mmmmm on Jan 26, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Ellis from Golden State and Warrick from Milwakee ….

by juanpan on Jan 29, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't make sense

But it could happen. My B/R featured post today says so. The Celtics are running Sugar Ray into the ground with no intention of keeping him in the long run.

Is It Time for the Celtics to Part Ways with the Big Three?

by 4SportBoston on Jan 25, 2010 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

36.5 mpg isn’t bad at all.

by D Dub on Jan 25, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't do it

Ray Allen provides so much for this team, a lot of it doesn’t even show in the box score. He is not only important to this team’s success this season but a mentor to the younger guys as well. I wouldn’t mess with the chemistry of this team, even though it may not be showing as of late- it is there.

Follow me @jimmy_toscano

by Jimmy Toscano on Jan 25, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

He's a shooter. He's not asked to be the go-to guy on this team.

He can be 35 years old on this team and still be effective. I’m not saying re-sign him to a 4 year deal, but for this season I think he is just what they need. The starters have been playing together for three years now, let them all be healthy for a bit together and see what happens.

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by Jimmy Toscano on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So What?

onta Ellis can score in bunches. He can be effective on this team too, and he’s alot younger.

Don’t make the mistakes that were made in 1988. Better to trade a player a year too early than a year too late.

by Brickowski on Jan 25, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Wow!!

I would do it just to get younger! I know it would mess with the chemistry but Rondo and Monta in the same back cour would be awesome if they could share the ball unlike him and Curry.

by Gomesfan on Jan 25, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Ellis has yet to show he knows how to play off the ball.

Rondo’s value is entirely in having the ball start in his hands and distributing.

That simply is not a good mix.

Not to mention the defensive problems of having two short guards.

by mmmmm on Jan 26, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Ellis has yet to show he knows how to play off the ball.

Actually, he shot 60% from the field at about 26ppg for a month while playing alongside Baron Davis. He has yet to show any kind of efficiency this year while having the ball in his hands the majority of the time. I’m starting to doubt the viability of a Curry/Ellis backcourt as the future for my Warriors.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 26, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

YES do the trade

Lets wake up. We cannot win it all with the team we have. Pierce and KG are injury prone for the rest of the year if not rest of their career. Even if they were to healthy for the rest of this year (being optimistic) switching up Allen for Ellis in my opinion won’t create a problem for us to have a chance to win it all. On top of this you get one of the best young guards in the league for 5 years thereafter . He is supreme athletic and can flat out score.

I think coming into a team like the celtics will do tremendous for his development , something that don nelson nor his warriors can never give him.

He did mess up big lying about his injury last year and almost had his contract nulled. I doubt that he will be dumb enough to try outside basketball stunts again. And if he does do that, we can null his contract out.

So here are the options

1. Do nothing, hope that kg and pierce are healthy for the rest of the year and hope to win it all

2. Keep everyone past the trade deadline, one or both kg and pp gets reinjured and we stay in this funky slump for the rest of the year. Lose Ray Allen for nothing

3. Lose Ray allen and hope to sign a decent free agent. (check the list for 2010 as the A class agents we can’t afford and B class agents will reverse our team progress)

4. Get Monta Ellis, Raja Bell, Anthony Randolph for Ray Allen, Eddie House and Shelden Williams (or something like that) and build a future while also trying to win. Its greedy but accomplishable. Even if you have pp or KG injured i’am alot confident that Monta Ellis contributions gives us a heck of alot of chance to win that what Ray Allen can do now.

Long post but Danny Ainge should really do the trade

by Triboy16 on Jan 25, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

I like this comment because at least your giving our players some respect. You realize how good Monta is.

Anyone who wouldn’t want to trade an old Ray Allen for Monta is very silly, speaking as a Warriors fan.
But I don’t like your comment because trading Monta for Allen would be a HORRIBLE trade for us. Let alone Monta AND Randolph (one of our most valued young players!). NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

by freerandolph on Jan 26, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

warriors waive allen...

with teams propensity to waive veterans being used just to clear cap space after trades like Mcdyess last year, what if celts take back a contract like radmonivic or turiaf if warriors agree to waive allen. Lets be honest they are not gonna make the playoffs and Allen will not resign with them in the offseason, this is a salary dump with the intent of creating cap space for the huge offseason…

by ...Gotcha13 on Jan 25, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

we can play the sympathy game

So what? We are here to win. Warriors are obviously doing this for salary dump reason/have allen teach/lead the team as much as possible until the end of the year.

Warriors already have a future sg in Curry

Btw whoever stated Ellis is small. So what? Allen is fraile as they come. Ellis has guts . We really need someone other than rondo with guts and athletism on this team

by Triboy16 on Jan 25, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Where is the the love for Ray?

This goes back to the same question that’s been running throughout the message boards.. do you love the Celtics jersey or the team. Ray is part of the heart and soul of this generation of Celtics and he deserves to retire as a Celtic. Not to mention the fact that while he may be having his struggles now, he is still Ray Allen and will still get it done- I think somebody said it right, today or yesterday: Ray Allen is the most clutch Celtic since Larry Bird.

by zoso59brst on Jan 25, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

So how long you want to keep Allen?

Till 50?? We keep pierce and KG till then too and pay each of them 20 mill to sit on the injure list ?

This is pro sports. You play to win. These guys make one year more than we do a lifetime. But they have to produce results to win.

Ray Allen and Pierce together both paid alot of money couldn’t help us win when kg was out. They are not the same guys they were 2 years ago or even last year.

I care about the team but not more than Winning.

“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing” Lambardi

by Triboy16 on Jan 25, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

you can the whole big three right now, because Rondo’s got this whole team on his shoulders, maybe minus Perk. We would not be having this conversation at all if we were somewhere around 32-9. Ray would not be resigning for anywhere near his current contract, and even in a reduced role in the coming (very few) years he has left I’d rather have him than not.

by zoso59brst on Jan 25, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh pardon me

But can Ellis really do anything other than shoot? At least Ray can defend. Please enlighten me on this.

by Tai on Jan 25, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Deserves to retire as a celtic?

“Ray is part of the heart and soul of this generation of Celtics and he deserves to retire as a Celtic”

Are you kidding me? Class act, but this is a business If you can obtain a 24 year old potential star for a 35 year old shooting guard, who was shutdown by JJ redick last post season, you do it IMHO.

by Little D on Jan 25, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

if you recall

Ray may have been a bit out of gas after a world class performance against the Bulls… but maybe that’s just me. The guy is in as good shape or better as any 24 year old in the NBA… a couple more miles, but there’s something major to be said for experience.

by zoso59brst on Jan 25, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Monta is a great scorer...

… but he leaves a lot to be desired everywhere else. I’m not sure how effective he’d be without the ball in his hands consistently.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jan 25, 2010 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

NO

This is a bad trade for both teams. Don’t try and fix something if it ain’t boken. We need to win this year and next year, that’s why we keep getting veterens. Incorperating ellis into the team would take too long. I’d support this trade if it was made three years later or so, when our window of opportunity is up. Also, why would GS get a vetern if they need to rebuild? They need either a superstar or a young talent instead.

~Aaron

by bostonceltics on Jan 25, 2010 10:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

trade ray ray please.

monta ellis lol lol the only trade they should be talking is nocioni i want value for ray not garbage monta ellis lol lol ..

by lohaus#54 on Jan 25, 2010 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

Why would they want another point guard? And a ball hog.

by RTroy on Jan 25, 2010 11:12 PM EST reply actions  

for every good game ray has he has a months worth of bad games he has as a celtic literally disapeared for entire playoff series i dont live in the past neither should a professional sports team i dont have a problem with the trade

by reggie_35 on Jan 25, 2010 11:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

As for calling the Yeses Disgusting....

Is it really that wrong for some of us to be hoping for the next decade Celtics to not look like the last two decade Celtics.

I am young, I am new to this site(first post) and honestly Celtics fandom in general and why is that? Because the Celtics stunk the whole time i was growing up. I never saw the great celtics team play and only became a fan when the KG bandwagon came. But when I thought about the prospect of a Rondo Monta backcourt for the next couple of years. An elecctrfying exciting back court with to of the quickest gaurds in the league, ya i hit “Yes” go for it.

Is it possible that maybe creating a team that will be exciting, fun to watch and have the ability to attract future free agents may be more important than another champoionship. Blasphemy I know but something to consider.

We Yesses Love Ray Allen but we also love the Celtics and this trade makes The C’s better for years to come.

by Soul Jax on Jan 25, 2010 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

Such a trade MIGHT make them better 'for years to come'

but it would almost certainly kiss off any chance of a championship this year.

This is not fantasy basketball. Ellis’ scoring on the GS team don’t just get magically dropped into the Celtic’s system. Ellis doesn’t just magically learn how to play Celtic team defense.

And while this would indeed give you two extremely fast, athletic guards, it would also give you two guards of less than 6’ 3".

by mmmmm on Jan 26, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Monta's Staying with us

as much as you may think Golden State is a mess right now, Monta Ellis is the only glue that holds this ship together. We come out and see him and love him here. He has heart and is still maturing. He does take a lot of shots but he is not selfish at all. he does defer the ball first, that is his mindstate this season and has been pretty successful at not only that but defensively he’s our best player. sometimes a little too aggressive (the two denver losses will help illustrate this) but all in all the upside far outweighs the downside. the reason why he takes so many shots is because of the dropped passes underneath the basket by various teammates and AB and Rony being out and injured hasn’t helped at all. We lost Azubuike for the year and have two D-Leaguers on the roster fighting for their lives which has helped invigorate this team. our past two games have been competitive without Monta. We would’ve won in phoenix with him on the court. Don’t bad mouth Monta. Trust me, being a long suffering Warriors fan (You Red Sox people know what i’m talking about), you guys would love him in Boston but he’s staying here as the Golden State of mind will be on this rumor and we have 100,000 strong emailing public relations and trust when i say this but Oracle will be greeted with boo’s if monta is traded. We’ll be yelling at Cohan to sell and all hell will break loose. We’re tired of trading away our star players, jamison, Richardson, Webber and as far back as mitch Richmond. I know you ESPN’ers won’t get the coverage happening here out west but all hell will break loose if this happens.

by GS Hooper on Jan 26, 2010 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

ellis is a very underrated defender..

i remmeber watching a game where he harrassed and stopped brandon roy like no other

by matthewmafa on Jan 26, 2010 2:22 AM EST reply actions  

He played good defense for like two weeks, then after playing so many 48 minute games, reverted back to barely playing any defense.

by samuraaaaiiiiiii on Jan 26, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Lots of people haven’t watched Monta Ellis play and are making assumptions clouded by the sorry state of the Warriors.

Ellis is a highly efficient scorer who does most of his damage 15 feet and in. His efficiency is down a little this year, but that’s due mainly to being a one-man show (his team is both young and injury-prone). He’s a killer pick and roll player and has all the flip shots and in-between runners and floaters. He devestating in transition. Even though he’s not a pure point, he can definitely handle the ball and play point when Rondo’s resting. And his jump shot is improving.

His defense would be fine in this system, much, much better than Ray Allen on a good day. He can also rebound well for a smallish player, almost on par with what Rondo can do in that department.

Rondo and Ellis would be a nightmare combo to defend for opposing teams. It might be a small backcourt (leading to some defensive matchups), but the other team would have a nightly struggle defending them too.

That all said, I’d only do the deal if we had assurances that Ray Allen would be bought out afterwards. Problem with dealing Ray right now is that it weakens our championship chances this season and given our age and health it doesn’t make sense to make any trades that weaken are championship chances THIS SEASON. So, only if Ray gets bought out, which I’d assume is a possibility since the Warriors would make this move only as a salary saver…

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jan 26, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

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