Ray For Ellis? Pros and Cons

Sorry, I just like saying that. Call it a reverse curse. Every time I say “do it!” Danny never does. And we’ve got a title to show for it!
I agree with ultimate conclusion, though. I HATE saying negative things about the classiest guy on the team, but I also worry he’ll be an albatross on this team. Oy, I need a shower after saying that.

I’m surprised they have that many fans/followers.

Ellis Ray
FT% 76.6. 89.3
3P% 29.2 39.6
FG%. 48.2 44.8

Remember Ray was in a bad slump for a while in the year we won it all. Hall of Famer. Remember the Chicago playoff game last year. Also, who do you want most of all at the free throw line when the game is on the line?
Fagetaboutit!

Ray is on the decline. He should be coming off the bench here. Secondly, he;s going to want more money than Ainge should give him next year. Lastly, Ellis is an all-star – this year.

   Ray could use a couple weeks of 25-30 minute nights. Of the big 3 , he’s the oldest and getting the most minutes. Whats that all about? With TA, Eddie, and even Hudson at times, they could easily drop his minutes. I don’t see the point of giving him near 40/games nighht in, night out.
   Like one of the posts above said, any discussion of next year will begin next year. When Daniels gets back, let Ray rest, and when post-season gets here, he’ll be rested and ready.

…and you do it now.

This is exactly what we need. Ray is walking after this year, and is not much help to us in the short term.

That kid is great? He is a throw in? The kid is absolutely beastly…

DO THIS TRADE PLEASE!!

I don’t think Danny is looking at this team in a 1 year window like we think he is. He is likely to deconstruct this team so that the same thing doesn’t happen to him, that unfolded right in front of his eyes when he played for them.

I think the principles here are that if you don’t think you are going to win a title this year (I don’t think we will), and you want to get a young star for a player that will not be on the team next year anyways, you do this.

Ray is gone anyways, so why not get younger and more athletic overnight? I am not sure that this trade would hurt us this year either.

C’s could use a replacement for Ray but it would need to be someone that can shoot. Ellis isn’t a shooter from deep. If they through in Randolph as well, that’s probably a deal too good to overlook. Having Rondo, Ellis, Randolph and Perk after the big 3 is a pretty decent core.

The one thing that Ellis could improve for this team in the playoffs is that should the C’s face the Lakers in the finals, Kobe would have to play Ellis instead of Rondo. Lakers couldn’t afford to let Ellis abuse Fisher all night and he wouldn’t be able to roam on defense. That would leave Rondo to do as he pleases against Fisher.

That’s the real question. If it’s VladRad, no. If I’m willing to take Monta Ellis’ contract, then the other players in the deal have to be a) valuable, or b) expiring, and Vlad Rad is neither.

I don’t believe Don Nelson’s denials. Ellis has been on the market ever since the motorbike incident, and at one point GS wanted to void his contract.

The Warriors stink and are going nowhere. They need to get under the cap. The’d prefer to move Maggette, but noone wants Maggette— or Vlad Rad.

Monta is a great scorer… We can use some YOUTH on this team. Additionally, any thought/rumor on if this is one of the deals when they buyout Ray and he resigns in 30 days? In which case we are stealing Monta!

are you kidding me? i’d do the trade in a heartbeat. i love ray-he’s so smooth and a great citizen and player- but he’s old and expensive and even tho great, he’s slowing down. ellis would be a disruption, but with our injuries, the whole season to date has been disrupted. by playoff time, he’d be better defensively and into the system. with tom tibs and kg and doc and danny, you bet he would be. he can flat out score. forget about percentages- the guy is magic with the ball. he is young and can get better- ray is old and can get worse. we need to get younger for the future, but this kind of young does not hurt us in the present. he has made the motor scooter mistake but like we say about glen davis, he’s a good kid . young kids playing with grown men make boo boos- it’s what kind of boo boos and ellis hurt himself in a less offensive way than glen. he has great speed and with rondo you have 2 racehorses in the backcourt that are handling the ball. all that being said, the warriors would be crazy to let him go for and old fogey.

Need to make 1 correction:

# Monta is a terrible fit for this team as it is constructed. He needs the ball in his hands a lot.

Completely false. Most Warriors fan believe he is better off ball than with. In 07-08 when warriors won 48 games (and became winningest team to NOT make playoffs) he was SG next to Baron. That was probably Monta’s best year:

07-08:
20.2 ppg, 53.1 fg% (wow), 5.0 rpg (he has that rondo knack for every loose ball), 3.9 assists to 2.1 TOs.

with a PER of 19.0 and a TS% of .580

The issue is Baron was a BIG pg so it was easier to play this way defensively. Rondo is probably the best defensive pg in NBA but neither he nor monta r equipped to guard SGs

First team backcourt is Rondo and Marquis Daniels.

Second team backcourt is Ellis and TA

Odd man out is House, who becomes a “designated shooter” for end-of-game situations.

You cut Rondo’s minutes, so he and Ellis are only together in the backcourt for 5-10 minutes a game. And during that time you could press and give some opposing backcourts fits. Ellis is pretty quick defensively, although he needs to show more commitment to defense than is required by Don Nelson.

It is so hard to get young proven talent in this league. Gold expiring contracts like this are the way to get it done.

Monta Ellis is a really good young player.

I would never trade Ray Allen for anyone, let alone Monta Ellis, but I can definitely see a way in which the possible transaction of Ellis from the Warriors could help the future of the Celtics. Danny needs to at least explore the option of helping Golden State trade Ellis to a team like the Knicks or Nets, the reason being of course to transform players, and their expiring contracts, like Tony Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Sheldon Williams, JR Giddens (possibly; I haven’t quite given up on him yet because he has the wingspan and defensive talents to become someone like Michael Cooper, I hope, although that seems like a hopeless prayer, I know), and/or Glen Davis (possibly) into a 1st round draft pick from anyone of those teams for next year, or even a second round pick from New Jersey for this year’s draft.

My reasoning of course, is that we all know that the Knicks and Nets would like nothing better than to sign Lebron (or someone else) after this year, and, since Golden State feels that their point guard of the future is Stephen Curry, who the Knicks wanted to take in last year’s draft because of his talent and also his friendship with James, why not take advantage of the situation, knowing that Lebron can’t play for four teams at once (Golden State (not that the Warriors are a place he would relocate to, but because of Ellis), Cleveland, New York, and New Jersey), and try to improve our draft position in the coming year(s) by helping the Knicks or Nets show Lebron that they will have substantial talent (Ellis in New York (although Ellis alone probably won’t be enough), or Ellis and Devin Harris on the same team if he chooses the Nets) on their roster before he possibly arrives, so as to sweeten the deal for him, while, at the same time, making Cleveland panic and suddenly have to use the majority of their cap space to retain the reigning MVP, and therefore making it much more difficult to import more help for Lebron through free agency (kind of like when McHale threatened to sign with the Knicks and the Celtics retaliated by signing three of their best free agents in Sly Williams, Rory Sparrow, and Marvin Webster to handsom offer sheets, which New York had to match, leaving them no room to sign McHale or anyone else).

I know that, at best, this transaction is highly unlikely, but I’m just trying to think of what Red would do. After all, he did manage to get us the second pick in the ’86 draft (even though we all know how that worked out, but the idea was ingenious) from Seattle for Gerald Henderson in 1984, although in comparison to my idea, Henderson had far better trade value than any of the candidates of the said deal in my proposal.

Let the Chess games begin.

first, monta ellis is like untouchable because he is having an all star year despite on a losing team headed to the lottery with a top 5 pick if ended now. ellis and curry is the face of the franchise. i would trade biedrins, brendan wright, and a player and add a first round pick for amare and a scrub that we can lose next year due to salary but never for just ray allen.

if it was 2 + allen for ellis, i’d do it in a heart beat.

Keep Ray. He’s a better player than Ellis.
Wait til you see him when the game is on the line this summer in the finals against LA!
Can’t wait!

Needs to retire a C!

Celtics fans should have respect for our team, cause warriors create talent and celtics just buy it. And when they suck again they buy more.