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Semih Erden: Surprising Early

"You guys don’t really know what he’s capable of. We see him everyday in practice, but you guys (just) see flashes of it in a game."

Paul Pierce on Semih Erden

What a difference a few months make. Make that a few years and a few months.

Semih Erden could be the second biggest surprise addition for the Celtics this off season. With Shaq getting all the ink and Jermaine expected to start, Erden was initially viewed as little more than an after thought. Practice fodder. Make no mistake, that he is. But there are a few surprises occurring here.

No one knew what to expect and no one expected much. Even teammates like Paul Pierce admitted that he did not know how skilled he already is.

"Yeah, everything he’s done is a surprise because I really didn’t know what to expect from him. I watched him in the (Euro Worlds) Championship gold medal game and that is all I had seen. But watching just that one game I knew he had a high basketball IQ. I actually didn’t know his skill level, but he’s shown me a lot."

Danny Ainge chose 6’ 11", 240 lb. Semih Erden with the very last pick (60th) of the 2008 draft. He did it with the intention (and hope) to stash him away in Europe and…let him continue to develop there and then bring him here to the Celtics a few years later. It is now a few years later. But has Erden developed enough to truly be useful to the Celtics this season?

Star-divide

It was only June 24th, exactly one week after the 7th game loss to the longer Lakers, that the first rumors were out about Erden possibly coming over to the Celtics. With Perkins out with a long recovery time, and Rasheed Wallace retiring, the Celtics were short on bigs.

Still, Erden wasn't viewed as anything but a project by Celtic Nation. His career season high in Euro play was 8.2 points and 5.2 rebounds in 20 minutes average playing time. That was in the lesser Turkish Basketball League. In the Euro leagues, his stats were even lower.

Just two days later, June 26th, Danny announced that Erden ‘was ready to be on an NBA roster'. By July 4th, Erden was in the Celtics camp and his signing was announced a day later. Semih turned 24 on July 28th.

In many ways that is sort of perfect timing, providing Semih’s game has progressed over the last two years. They say that big men take longer to develop anyway and he is now mature enough physically, mentally and emotionally to make that jump.

It was just a few months ago that someone wrote that Semih Erden wasn’t even the best player on his own team. That may or may not be true, but Semih is making believers here in Beantown with every pre-season game he plays.

He is not the second coming of Arvidas Sabonis. He isn’t Pau Gasol either. He’s not even the next Hedo Turkoglu, his fellow countryman. But his new Celtic teammates and fans are finding out that Semih can play this game pretty well. Better than expected actually. He is a mobile, agile big man. The best part is that he will only get better and better.

Doc announced early on that Erden would get as much valuable playing time as he could give him to get him the experience he will need to become effective as a player for his new team and in the NBA. Doc has been true to his word and Erden has been surprisingly effective.

On the defensive end Erden is aggressive, will give a hard foul, block shots, and help defends when he can. On the offensive end, he has a few offensive moves around the hoop, is setting fairly good picks, and passes very well. But make no mistake. Once the real season starts, the minutes will go to the vastly more skilled and experienced O’Neal brothers as long as they are healthy.

Seeing Erden make the most of his minutes now, we also know it is just preseason. The big question to ask and one I wouldn’t have expected a positive answer to a few months ago is: Can Semih Erden help this team this year?

Paul Pierce….

"Yeah. He gives us a lot of depth at that position. I think that’s our strongest position this year. Especially with Jermaine and Shaq having a history of having injuries so…you might never know what might happen so…I think he’s going to fit in nicely and he’ll be ready. It’s good that he’s getting this valuable experience here in the preseason and in the World Games. He’s getting better and better, man."

Living His Dream

Semih Erden is surprised at how much has happened in his life in the last few months. From a Silver medal with his national team in the Worlds to the Celtics a few months later…

"It was my dream so my dream came true. I came to a champion team from a champion team in Turkey, so it is amazing."

Accepted Into the Celtics Family

Joining an established team like the Celtics isn’t always an easy thing to do. Weathered, strong headed old veterans have come and gone with implicit acceptance. The vibrations of possible family squabbles last season have disappeared. New comer Jermaine O’Neal talked about the feeling of family with this team and how it was one of the reasons he came to the Celtics.

It doesn’t appear to always be quite the same for rookies, though. Maybe the talent level hasn’t been there. But the Celtics have embraced young Mr. Erden, apparently since he arrived.

"Everything was way better than I expected. The Celtics are like a family. All the players are helping me with (everything) and the coach, too. And they accept me on the team. They are really supporting me so…I wasn’t expecting that, honestly. So that really impressed me."

Even Semih didn’t expect to be getting the minutes he has been…

"Of course, I didn’t expect that. But in the practices, I felt it because coach (Rivers) really cares about me. He always supports me. So I am trying to use the chances he is giving me and to get better and better every minute.

I know the importance of every minute, starting with defense, trying to help the team."


Erden’s on court contributions will most likely be dictated by the health of his older mentors. Jermaine has already missed pre-season games with minor injuries. Shaq can't play big minutes in back-to-back games at a high level and has a few back and health issues of his own. But Semih is returning the love he is receiving from the childhood heroes he will now play behind.

"I hope they never get injured. They are also supporting me. It is amazing how they support me. I grew up watching those two big guys. And now I am practicing with them. It is very good for me. So I should be ready even if they are not injured. I have to make sure I’m not injured. I have to be ready. That is the most important thing for me. I hope we all have a healthy season."

Doc, Danny, Paul and everyone in Celtic Nation hope that.

Laker Answers

But Danny got on the phone to Europe one week after the final game of last season for a reason. A few years earlier, there was talk about the dearth of dominant big men. The success of the Celtics with a healthy Garnett and Perkins was followed by the success of the twin 7’ Lakers. Size still matters in the NBA.

This season the Celtics will go into battle with 4 players 6’11" or taller. And it now appears all four will be talented.

There is no doubt that it helps to have two of the game's savviest, biggest and best big men helping you, and supporting you in practice. When things go live at the end of month, it is nice to know that Shaq and Jermaine will have your back assuming they remain healthy. It wouldn’t be wise to depend on it for 82 games.

Last season Rasheed Wallace played through various ailments and then Perkins got hurt. Unlike last season, this season the Celtics will have a 3rd true center (not counting Kendrick Perkins). Should they call on him, we are seeing what might be possible. What Semih Erden lacks in knowledge, strength and experience he seems to offsetting with skill, energy and youth.

Paul Pierce….

"You guys don’t really know what he’s capable of. We see him everyday in practice, but you guys (just) see flashes of it in a game."

It is early, but it nice to know that kind of potential exists in a Celtics’ young back up center. It has been quite a while.

 

 

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Semihh

well first of all thank you so much Tom Halzack for writing this.The rookies needs support and thats what you did in your article.I am a very big Turkish fan of Semih i watched him several times.He is a good player he is still not in shape for NBA but he will be.I understand from what he saşid he feels like he’s at home thats a very couraging thing for a player.To see the potential in Semih you have to make sure he is getting in the mood.Semih really has talent and potential.He is gonig to be great in NBA.He already prooved his team what he is capable of.Now,he has to show all the states in America.All the Turkey supports you from the heart dont forget that Semiihh!!!ilaykarabay

by ilaykarabay on Oct 20, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Two good points:

he is not in NBA shape, either in terms of wind or in terms of upper-body strength. Also, to keep him motivated he needs offensive touches, which is a bad but correctable trait.

Nice post.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you ilaykarabay

At this point Turkey should be very proud.

by Tom Halzack on Oct 20, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

we are very proud both for Semih and Omer((:

by ilaykarabay on Oct 22, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article, and another great find for Ainge.

A steal at the 60th pick in 2008, the kid has the right attitude, and the right tools to really making something of himself in this league.

It’s far too early to jump to any conclusions, but two years of playing behind the depth he has in front of him and getting to see some playoff games, getting that experience of what it takes to be a winner in this league. I think the ceiling on him gets higher all the time.

I’m not saying he’ll ever be an all-star (but anything’s possible) but I think even at this point, from what we’ve seen, expecting a solid, 25-minute back up Center by 2012, maybe one of the better bench players in Basketball by the point, is well within reason. Beyond that, who knows.

For a 60th pick, that’s a damn good find.

by Sizzlack on Oct 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The 60th pick?

Sounds like one hell of a steal.

by KSJ49 on Oct 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember hearing talk of Perkins never being better than a second string center – and now he is a force that shuts down Dwight Howard.

Do we need to get Chief out of his house in Weston to drive down Route 20 past Jordan’s Furniture to drop into Waltham to show the Semi some finesse moves?

It would be great if, someday, we could call him – Semih-automatic.

by johnnymost on Oct 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't know where McHale is but

I don’t think he’d mind teaching Semi some post moves. If he’s not working for another club, Danny could call him in for that.

by Banner 18 on Oct 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does need a go-to move

in the low post. That’ll be task #1 if he goes to Portland at some point.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Oct 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really good read Tom

It’s nice to have guys to root for down the bench. Lots of feel good stories out there if we have a great season.

by Banner 18 on Oct 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like he's a willing student, good for him.

I would not be surprised when he become a consistent rotation player 2 years from now.

P.S. Great article Tom.

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

by Marjun Raposon on Oct 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank You, great article.

I Loved Paul’s comments. True Captain.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Oct 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Where are all the DOUBTERS

That is not to say that Semih is ever going to be a started or even a solid backup. But from all appearances he does have talent, is playing well, learning and is 7 FT tall, which you can’t teach. But there were so many people down on Semih when he was signed and during Summer League and now I don’t hear anything negative about him. Just thought it was amazing how perceptions have changed in such a short time.

by badax33 on Oct 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

we always had good euro players.

radja turned out pretty good vrankovic had his moments. he will get better with time he has alot of good teachers boy once perk comes back we are loaded with bigs nice problem to have .

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Oct 20, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks to all for the kudos....

I should mention that this interview took place through his translator, though Semih does understand English fairly well. I smoothed out the grammar of a few of the ‘translations’ as well. Largely most of the comments are verbatim.

I got the interview much by accident. Erden was already out the door of the locker room and he was kind enough to stop for my questions. Also luckily, he was just meeting up with his trusty translator.

He seems like a humble and great kid. If he can give something positive to the Celtics this season – that would be great.

by Tom Halzack on Oct 20, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Strength and conditioning

Two years with the Celtics staff and seeing the work ethic of Perk and KG in the weight room and he should be ready for a role when all the vet bigs contracts expire. Good stuff.

by bewareofdware on Oct 20, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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