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Boston Celtics Notes - October 31

Happy Halloween, everyone. Here are some Celtics-related things to think about today.

Injury Updates

According to multiple outlets via Twitter, Shaquille O'Neal did not participate in practice today. He reportedly bruised part of his right leg during a collision with Amare Stoudemire when the Celtic defeated the New York Knicks on Friday night. According to Jessica Camerato's Twitter, Shaq did laps in the pool with Kendrick Perkins during the team's practice session. 

Avery Bradley apparently suffered a mild left ankle sprain, but fortunately, this latest setback appears to be unrelated to the offseason ankle surgery he underwent. Nonetheless, that ankle continues to plague him and halt his NBA debut. There haven't been any updates on the Celtics' "new" approach to treating Bradley's ankle that Doc Rivers alluded to towards the end of the preseason. It wouldn't surprise me if a minor flare up like this one encouraged reporters to inquire about that. In the meantime, all we can really continue to say is we hope the ankle feels better soon.

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The Other O'Neal

Jermaine O'Neal sat out Friday night's victory over the New York Knicks with what was described as a sore knee. I suppose we can add that sore knee to the list of ailments that have so far derailed O'Neal's inaugural stint as a member of the Boston Celtics

He was back at practice today, but still served as a member of the second unit, even with Shaq out. Semih Erden filled in at center with the first unit. You might assume Jermaine would simply step into the starting five with Shaq out, but, perhaps for continuity purposes (Jermaine was with the second unit for the vast majority of the preseason and the first few games of the regular season), Doc decided to keep him with the second five. 

I'm still of the belief that we can't rightfully criticize Jermaine until he finds consistent time on the court. His production has been, well, awful, so far: 1.5 points (20 percent shooting) and 2.0 rebounds in a mere 12.5 minutes of action. His PER on Basketball-Reference sits at a ghastly -9.8, second only to Von Wafer's -13.6 figure. It's easy to look at the numbers and think, "We spent the full mid-level exception on this?" It's also easy to look at those numbers and be reminded of the player we saw during the first round of the playoffs last season. However, we need to factor in the injuries, which are things Jermaine can't really help. He didn't have much of a training camp or preseason, and I wonder if he's even in legitimate game shape (let alone in any type of rhythm), given all of the time he's missed. It's unfortunate that he's been plagued thus far, but he'll hopefully work his way back into the lineup and make strides in the right direction. His biggest contributions should come on the defensive end this season, and the second unit will hopefully have enough offensive firepower once Delonte West returns and is reunited with Nate Robinson, Marquis Daniels, and Glen Davis

Celtics Moving Past West and Wafer Incident

Delonte West spoke to reporters about the locker room scuffle incident he and Von Wafer were involved in. He said many of the initial "facts" that were reported were not true, and suggested that the team has moved past it. Here's a quote from him from A. Sherrod Blakely's Twitter:

"Of course guys get into scuffles or whatever you want to call it. But at the end of the day, we're like brothers in here."

Also, in this report from Chris Forsberg (with video of Delonte speaking with reporters about the incident), Delonte claims that he and Wafer "laughed about" the incident today (with the help of Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O'Neal). 

Early Leaders

I'm well aware that we're only three games into the season, but it's still pretty cool that Rajon Rondo's leading the league in assists right now with 16.7 per game. Also, Kevin Garnett's sitting in ninth place in rebounds per game, as he's hauled in 11.7 per game thus far. One of the most notable things about the season so far has been KG's performance on the glass. He's reached double digits in rebounding in all three games so far. He pulled down 10 against Miami and New York, and ripped off 15 against the Cavaliers

Enjoy Halloween, everyone. For those taking their children out trick-or-treating later, or are going trick-or-treating themselves: Have fun and be safe. 

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JO is eligible to be rightly criticized

Because he came into camp out-of-shape. That’s unprofessional. After busing his butt to have a good season before free agency, he’s fallen back into the same habits that caused him to miss 3 out of every 10 games in the last 6 seasons.

5 weeks, 4 injuries, 6 games played, 5 games missed. That’s all you need to know.

It’d be nice to judge him when he’s healthy, but that won’t happen until Oct. 2011.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 31, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm still hoping for the best with Jermaine

but as Doc put it last year – “availability is an ability”

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Oct 31, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Jermaine's absence has caused me to wonder about the missing-in-action Semih Erden.

I know Erden’s shoulder was supposed to be hurt, but he looked okay in that one video where West was taunting Wafer.

I hope Doc isn’t getting his usual cold feet about using a rookie. I want to see Erden out there with Davis at the 4.

by no kidding on Oct 31, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope also Doc does not get cold feet about using Erden....

as Erden played very well in the preseason.

Doc did say Erden shoulder injury though not serious would take time to heal so I am hoping Erdens lack of playing time is due to the injury and not due to Doc being hesitant about using him.

The C’s need to get Erden and Jermaine back because with Shaq starting their is no length coming off the bench which those players do provide.

by fordescort on Oct 31, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random thoughts: Its early to worry BUT

Mia hasn’t lost a game yet they should win and we have. Likewise with Orlando and LA.

We are so old that the lack of having West and Perk able to play along with JO and Bradley, well it all matters. Imho we will win the title if we have hc, if we don’t have hc our chances decrease. Bottom line is we lack some depth with all these guys out right now…Ray, for example, is playing a ton of minutes already.

I suspect all of us who watch the games can see that Ray is always the potential the weak spot on this team in any given game, but it works both ways. If he is hot, we are very very difficult to beat but if he is off as he is often, we are quite beatable.D West is part of the solution to this.

 We won’t be whole, really, until Dec. And that assumes JO and Shaq are as healthy as we can reasonable expect. With Perk out, it is damaging that Shaq doesn’t have his best back up available.

Baby has been great. Hoping Erden looks good

by wahz on Oct 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Great info, Greg, and thanks for the updates.

I’m glad to see DW and VW laughing about the incident. That mean alot and looks real good.
It worries me too, Wahz, about Ray sometimes. The guy is an amazing shooter, but he definately seems to have nights where it’s all or nothing. The solution is to sit him on his off nights, even it’s the final 7 game in the finals. I think Marquis would be a good backup for him in these situations IF he, himself, is not having an off night.

by mmbaby on Oct 31, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it has to be Marq for PP and DW for Ray.

I think its Doc comfort zone too. Dw will add a ton of aggressiveness to the team when he is in and Ray is out and a Shaq, Baby/KG, PP, DWest, Rajon lineup for now will be very good and often better than if Ray was in

by wahz on Oct 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you are right. DW behind Ray if he stays out of trouble/cross fingers

Marquis was definately ON the whole preseason and he’s going to be interesting to watch this year.

by mmbaby on Oct 31, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding JO, I disagree slightly

You say to reserve judgement on JO until he gets healthy. That’s the problem though. His past history has shown that the man is always missing time with some “minor” ailment. Sure, in the few preseason games he played in I thought his defense was good, particularly when on the court with KG. That being said, the man just seems to be made of glass, and what good is a player who can never get on the court consistently. To be honest, I question how serious any of his ailment have been, and whether someone with more “heart” wouldn’t be able to play through them.

So far, I am mildly unimpressed with JO, and if he doesn’t show something soon, am going to be outright ticked off.

by KG's Knee on Oct 31, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

starts to look even better for Sheed to come back in early March. I want JO to succeed

but if JO or Shaq or Perk are flailing we will need the depth unless Semih is just tearing it up.

by wahz on Oct 31, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id love to see Sheed come back and pull a PG Brown.....

He would be mega big man insurance if any of our current bigs get injured and would be our Howard, Gasol and Bynum stopper.

I just get goose bumps thinking of entering the playoffs with a mega big man rotation of:

Perk,
KG,
Shaq
Jermaine
Baby
Rasheed
Erden

Thats depth and big man insurance galore !

by fordescort on Oct 31, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing you mean "PJ" Brown

unless we had a PG named Brown that I don’t remember- TeeHee!

by KG's Knee on Nov 1, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jermaine actually played well in the preseason when he did play the few minutes he did.........

he defended well, rebounded well (had a 12 rebound game actually) and blocked and altered shots.

He did look horrible in the 2 regular seasongames he played.

He hopefully will be fine if he gets healthy and gets in a groove with some steady playing time.

Lets keep in mind with Rasheed gone the C’s now turn to Jermaine to play the lengthy power forwards that Rasheed played last year in a back up role.

Jermaine and his length will especially be vital come playoff time when the game becomes more of a 1/2 court low post power game and if we meet LA in the finals again and have to combat lengthy Gasol.

by fordescort on Oct 31, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries ... but

You can’t be 100 percent sure that Jermaine’s injury is due to lack of conditioning. You can’t help Bradley’s injuries holding him back. You can’t make Shaq any younger. And you can’t somehow make Delonte come back sooner than 10 games. But sheesh, you’d think Nate would step it up a little and add some points out there.

by Big_Easy on Oct 31, 2010 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I posted during the preseason how the injurys at that time were concerning....

now that we have entered the regular season and the injury’s are continuing I am still concerned.

With Shaq starting, Jermaine, Erden and Bradley out hurt, Nate in a slump and Delonte out for his suspension the bench is rather thin now and lacks firepower.

At the moment the only ones off the bench that are producing is Baby and Daniels.

Having basically only 2 guys producing off the bench was not suppose to be the plan for the C’s since we all planned on the bench being stacked and deep with many players contributing….but injurys have changed those plans unfortunately at least for the short term.

Hopefully though when Jermaine, Erden and Bradley all get healed up and return, Nate (who has been in a slump I think) snaps out of it and Delonte returns from his suspension we will finally see the deep bench with fire power that Dany built over the summer all playing as a unit that we have not really seen playing together to date.

by fordescort on Oct 31, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea its strange....

we were all excited how deep the bench would be but now with:

Shaq starting
Jermaine hurt,
Erden hurt,
Bradley hurt
Delone out with his suspension
Nate in a slump

all of sudden the bench has only 2 players that are really producing being Baby and Daniels….hopefully though help will be on the way soon and the players above will return soon and the bench will get back its depth and firepower.

by fordescort on Oct 31, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope he does. He has his on/off times too. Nate can be awesome when he's

feeling it. I’m curious if maybe Ray Allen’s problem is too many minutes. He always seems to be in there. Maybe he’s tired. I’ve seen him start games not doing well and he stays that way the whole game. I just keep wondering what the problem is. I want our team to win so much and already, the injury plague is all over us.

by mmbaby on Oct 31, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Nate's got a sore shoulder

And it’s affecting the extension on his jumper and causing him to misfire.

by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Oct 31, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

No doubt about it

SAMP is the man for all the inside info.

Thanks SAMP, please keep up the excellent feeds.

Go the Green !!!!

Cheers

Aussie

by Aussie Celtic on Nov 1, 2010 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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