Celtics Squeak by Bucks
by Greg Payne on Nov 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
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PrintWow. What an ending. What an exciting game, especially down the stretch. After Carlos Delfino knotted things up with 10.5 seconds left on a surprisingly easy finger roll, Rajon Rondo's jumper at the buzzer went begging, leading us to an extra five minutes.
In the overtime, Paul Pierce got the C's rolling with two easy buckets inside (one from Rondo and one from Kevin Garnett), and Jermaine O'Neal broke a 95-95 tie with a tip-in off of a Ray Allen miss with 1:49 left. Pierce put the C's up 99-95 with 1:09 to play, but Bogut brought the Bucks back within two with a bucket on the other end. Delfino passed the ball to Pierce in the right corner with 27.5 seconds left, and the captain buried two free throws, surpassing the 20,000 career-point mark in the process (congratulations, Paul). But the Bucks weren't done. Delfino buried a tough three-pointer from the right corner (101-100, Boston), but Pierce put in two more free throws, putting Boston back up 103-100. After Brandon Jennings hit two free throws of his own (the Celtics chose to foul) Pierce hit two more free throws. Paul was a freebie machine tonight. 11-11 from the stripe. The Celtics won, 105-102.
- I just want to re-iterate that Pierce surpassed the 20,000 career point mark tonight. Again, congratulations to Paul. He joins Larry Bird and John Havlicek as the only all-time Celtics to score 20,000 career points. Anyone else get chills when Pierce stepped to the line with a chance to hit 20,000?
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Phew
Kinda want that to go into overtime for the assist record and 20,000 mark lol
Good job my boys!
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
Gutsy win
I love Paul Pierce. They need a few more boards out of glen Davis. I cannot wait until delonte gets back because the bench right now is pretty weak.
Agree the bench is still thin at the moment...
With Shaq out and Jermaine now starting, Nate still struggling, Bradley out hurt,
Delonte as you say is still out due to his suspension the C’s basically only have Baby, Erden and to a small degree Marquis playing well and contributing off the bench.
We still have to wait for awhile but hopefully soon we will finally see all the players healthy and playing together for the 1st time this year so the C’s can be at full power and Doc can finally achieve a full player rotation pattern and chemistry among his players.
It'll come together
Missing key cogs
by Warrior Spirit on Nov 4, 2010 5:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
I cannot wait until Delonte comes off suspension. Five more games.
Nov. 17, Wizards at home. Mark it on your calendar.
tough one
tough win — mostly due to them not focussing again but thankfully this goes in the W column
Almost slipped away but a win is a win....
Paul of course deserves the game ball as he had a strong performance and got his 20,000 in such a cool way by icing the game for the C’s.
Loved the vintage KG we saw bring the C’s back in the 4th with his monster in your face slam on Bogut and that power drive to the basket that followed moments later.
KG is such a different and tough player to defend when he takes his offense to the basket, for that reason Id like to see him keep it up.
Baby had a great game also…nice to see him going back and utilizing his jumper this year ala 2009 and hitting it at a very nice % so far.
It feels like he has already taken his jumper more often this year then all of last year.
This game should not have been this close which is a bit of a worry.
It would be nice to see the C’s this year put the weaker teams they face away early and stay on their throats till the end the game as they did so many times in 08.
im glad we won
but im still livid about the officiating.
Indeed
But let it go, cant hold on to those games
by Warrior Spirit on Nov 4, 2010 5:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
That was bizarre and inconsistent.
BBD gets mad at himself after fouling while trying to steal and draws a T (even though he was not even looking at the refs and moving away from them).
Scott Skiles screams in the face of a ref and draws … nothing?
Wow! What a game!
I loved watching this game! The Bucks are a tough out for ANYONE. They could have 5 bench players playing the entire game and they would still keep the score close, they play hard for 48 minutes. The refs, and luck were on the Bucks side tonight, but a win is a win. Look at last years playoffs, without Bogut and they still took Atlanta to 7 games.
Love Pierce
Super exciting!
They could make it easier on themselves by putting away these lesser teams earlier and not letting them build confidence.
Great fun win! Happy that I’ve seen (almost) every PP point! Great player!
by Daveonthecape on Nov 3, 2010 11:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
When Pierce stepped up to that line
And I knew he only needed one… just beautiful moment. Made even better that his clutch FTs won us the game.
Plus another historic night for Rondo. Passing up Magic and Stockton. Great company to be in.
On another note, for all the talk about our bench depth, they sure know how to give up a lead.
by KY Celts fan on Nov 3, 2010 11:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
+1 ...
On your first 2 comments
Regarding the 3rd comment…we need to cut the bench some slack because at the moment the bench lacks depth with all the recent injuries and Delonte still out.
rondo has an off night for assists
unbelievable, hes going to be breaking records like crazy this year if this keeps up.
Love PP!
KG is a beast!
When is Rondo’s madness going to end? I hope never! IF he keeps going like this he will be the leading assist man in the nba.
Im really worried about our fragile big men, we need Semih to play well, thank god for big baby he is vital.
I thought Semih played very well for his first game with meaningful minutes.
by KY Celts fan on Nov 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just looked at the box score
Can’t really call 4 minutes meaningful. Felt like he played more.
by KY Celts fan on Nov 4, 2010 12:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bogut is not an easy big tohave to bang around with in your first NBA game. Semih did all right, I’m not upset with him. But comparing his method for covering Bogut to Davis’s. Yes okay Davis is giving up a lot of height, but he was able to keep Bogut from establishing several times. And against a guy like that, it’s all you can ask of a defender.
Given some more time I think Semih is going to do a great job.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
My 5 observations
5.) The ref’s and the Technicals are not tolerable for me …if I were on the wagon I would fall off
4.) Quisy and Nate are not impressing me
3.) Bogut does impress me….he uses his size very effectively
2.) PP caused the OT
1.) Captain my Captain is more than worthy of a retired number in those rafters of other greats..
Thanks Paul Pierce
Go Celtics
Is it Soup Yet?
I'll agree with 4.5 of those statements
I think Quisy has been doing very well thus far. Not his best game tonight, but he was very good for the first four.
by KY Celts fan on Nov 3, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Nate might be still hurt. He supposedly had a shoulder problem starting the last game or two of preseason and his shooting dropped right around then.
Marquis has done some good things, but he’s been pretty invisible out there. He’s not really giving Doc the option to extend Paul or Ray’s rest time, especially in the second halves. Hopefully when Delonte comes back the bench will come together and we’ll see a ripple effect.
The second unit is missing a shooter. They do all right with Ray on the floor because then Ray and Nate are both shooters and Quisy is the slasher. But you can see that they will be much better with Delonte. Just because of what Delonte adds to that groups skill set. The bench will win us a big playoff game. I know it. Especially with how well it allows the Cs to match up. I can’t wait to see the next game against the Heat. Boston will be better and Miami won’t have left their game on the plane. And the C’s will still win.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
Forgot about that shoulder. Explains some things, that and he went thru camp as a 2 guard.
Quisy has been alright overall.
Agree get Shaq and Delonte back and I bet the bench will gel.
by Warrior Spirit on Nov 4, 2010 5:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Delonte should be a big boost when he returns.
It should also allow Nate to be more comfortable on the floor and concentrate solely on shooting the ball instead of having to bring the ball up the court as has been the case ever since Delonte has been out.
Confrontations and Congratulations
Well, Paul Pierce delivered again! (Although if Ray made that free throw we might have been doing the 20,000th point celebration on Friday). Bravo, Paul!
KG picked up another technical, but I wonder if there will be any more repercussions from his…flailing match(?) with Bogut. I don’t think KG made contact with Bogut but his hand/forearm looked pretty high on one play. Bogut on the other hand did appear to make contact in KG’s face. Might be sweet irony if he is suspended as a retalitator much the way KG was a couple years ago.
I think both are going to be suspended
Bogut definitely threw a forearm at KG, and KG’s past history of those sort of elbows will likely have the league look upon this latest incident as purposeful.
Remember KG has already been suspended for striking Bogut in the past.
Dissapointed... Not really...
I was driving up from Philly to see the Chicago game this Friday SPECIFICALLY to see our captain hit the 20,000th! Damn you Ray (not really).
Davis reaction to fouling out
I have no knock on Glen’s performance, but after he fouled out, he sat on the bench with a look I’d expect from someone who just heard their dog had died. I’d hate to see Glen become another emotionless basketball machine, but why MUST he pout? He makes it so difficult for me to defend him around the water cooler.
Be proud, Big Baby. You played a really solid game, so go to the bench with some fire!
BBD had a great offensive game
But I wasn’t as happy with his defense. Great job drawing charges, but he missed rotations on Ilyasova and he also had a stupid foul in transition that was unnecessary. Davis looked much more comfortable when he was checking Bogut instead.
Plus the C’s gave up 13 offensive boards, meanwhile BBD only had 4 rebounds in his 34 minutes. That’s not getting the job done.
Most of the time Davis was in the defense was breaking back to prevent transition buckets.
Offensive rebounds are, in a vacuum a good thing to have. But you can only get an offensive rebound off of a miss. And the C’s don’t miss on offensive possessions as often as most teams do. The shooting percentages were not spectacular tonight. But they were good. And the C’s offense stays pretty consistently as one of the most efficient in the league. So while getting an offensive rebound leads to 2nd chance points, getting back on the break prevents transition baskets. And the math generally shows that your margin of victory is more influenced by preventing the fast break than it is by getting more 2nd chance points.
When you look at the teams that lead the league in offensive rebounds they are generally bad to awful teams. And part of the reason they get so many offensive rebounds is because they miss so many shots. WInning games is not just about scoring points, its also about keeping th eother team from scoring. Celtics basketball: Great defense, efficient offense.
Further defense of BBD, he spent most of the game having to rebound with Bogut. Bogut is a top 5 center in this league, top 2 if you don’t count Neck Beard as a center. BBD just isn’t going to get that many rebounds against a big man of that quality, especially in the C’s offensive and defensive schemes.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
BBD was guarding Ilyasova for about 10 or so minutes
Talk all you want about Bogut and getting back on defense, 4 rebounds out of a PF/C in 34 minutes isn’t good enough. Particularly when the other team gets 13 offensive boards.
Lets keep in mind...
with all the injurys to Jermaine, Shaq and Erden since the start of the season Baby has been called to play against centers which was not suppose to be the plan this year with all the depth we were suppose to have at center.
But due to injury’s to our 3 centers Baby has been called on to perform spot duty at center but is at a disadvantage since he is undersized and is matched up against longer centers…who will out rebound him on most nights.
So for this reason I think we must cut him some slack for the lack of rebounding.
Remember that Bogut is a Top 5 center
And almost all of offensive rebounds came off him tipping the ball. We gave up a lot of height last night. Will only happen with a handful of teams.
I can only think of like 10 guys in the league that can rebound with Bogut and have an average night and not a bad night. If you can tell me someone I’m missing that
2 of them play for the C’s
1 of them is a guy named Howard
Neck Beard
Duncan
Bynum
Noah and Verijao, even though I dislike both of them.
and that’s honestly about that. I think everyone else loses at least 3 rebounds off their game average by playing against the Bucs. I know you aren’t going to agree with me. But what would be the fun if we didn’t argue about something.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
stat question
i wonder how many of the Bucks offensive rebounds turned into points? i remember maybe 3 immeditiate tip-ins, but not sure if Milawlkee got more from dishing it out after a rebound. Also, where can i find these kinds of stats? appreciate the help!
Agree 100% regarding his reaction. I was yelling at him through my TV screen to get up and cheer on his teammates and quit sulking.
I think we're being nitpicky
by reading so much into BBD’s body language after a draining game.
by Fafnir on Nov 4, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I’d be worried, personally, about having any kind of display of emotion from an ejection drawing a technical in a close game.
I’m glad he sat down without a lot of fire, rather than doing a lot of arm waving and giving the Bucs a freebee.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
Also true, hadnt thought of that
by Warrior Spirit on Nov 4, 2010 5:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
weeeeeeell.
The call was completely bogus as Delfino threw the arm into Davis. His reaction was disbelief on how he fouled out. The priceless face he had was when Rondo got an offensive called against him. His face was like this. :O… Priceless
by Celtics4Vida on Nov 4, 2010 12:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's hard to be excited
when the ref just killed your dog right in front of you….on purpose no less. The refs had an axe to grind with the C’s last night…actually mostly Ed M (the dude in the pic)….he sucks. 2 fouls and 1 tech in the first 40 secs of the 4th on the C’s (those 2 on JO were terrible). Respect the game my ass. the refs were showing emotion, that should be tech on them. not to mention the profanity laced tyraid Scott Skiles went on with less than 1 min for almost the whole timeout with no reaction from the refs. He bitched out all 3 refs for over a full minute and they sat there and took it and proceeded to give the bucks calls down the stretch. You could hear him on national TV swearing right in the refs face….no T. Doc got one for voicing his displeasure in a civil manner eariler in the quarter. I felt the exact same way Baby looked during that stretch.
And KG spewed a 20-sec n-word laced taunt with no reaction from the refs
But feel free to pick and choose.
The call of over the back with no contact on Maggette was key in the C’s favor…
by nba is the worst on Nov 4, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree and Disagree
The Cs definitely could have racked up more Ts last night given their reactions.
But the Maggette foul was at least a 50/50 call. The angle they showed on the replay (comcast) clearly showed him coming of the back…with contact.
But the bucks got the majority of the calls last night. Actually, it was one of the worst officiated games I’ve seen in a while.
by overthebackboardooh on Nov 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, really - that was NOT even '50/50'.
I just this second watched it again on the afternoon replay on CSN.
Magette bangs into Pierce’s back as they go up and his arm’s also make contact on top of Pierce. Pierce’s body visibly shakes on both impacts.
Please. Be real. THAT was a call that the refs did get right. But it wasn’t even close to being a difficult call.
no contact?
you been smoking? on the replay shown on national TV you can clearly see Maggette’s chest knock into PP’s back…hence the ‘over the back’ call (which they missed numours times prior). and KG’s tirad was directed at nobody. Skiles was right in the face of the ref and directed towards the ref….there is a difference.
congrats paul. what composure. those free throws were something else. rondo would have had more assists but his guys missed some bunnies early. kg deserved the double t . this was a rare exception that the ref saw the first shot which led to the shove. the ref got that one right but there were some real bad calls against the c’s, against oneal, in particular. nate is playing woefully bad and bbd playing his most consistent fashion. any perk sightings on the bench?
there was no 'first shot'
KG raised his arm’s (not to mention he was about 1’ from actual contact) and got a T on rep. that’s it. If things had been switched around…KG get’s tossed, Bogut goes to the line for 2 & bucks get 2 more freebies.
There doesn't have to be a 'first shot'. Not anymore
All that has to happen is that the elbows are raised high in a menacing way.
It is not like this is the first time KG has done this and it is not like this is new this season. It caused a suspension last season during the playoffs. The CSNNE guys mentioned that suspensions may come out of this fracus, but I haven’t seen any word on that. Mike Gorman thought Bogut should have been thrown out of the game then and there, but that didn’t happen.
I would agree that it is part reputation, but perhaps a small part. The biggest part is how the refs call the raised elbows.
I agree
but they call it more strict on KG cause of his ‘rep’. Bogut elbowed big baby right in the kisser earlier in the game, right in front of the ref and then proceeded to collect the rebound. Bogut should have been tossed, he placed a 2 handed shove right into KG’s chest. KG would have been tossed.
Barely
Celtics managed to scrape by against a tough Bucks team. The execution down the stretch of regulation was abysmal. The C’s went to the Pierce isolation which resulted in a bad turnover, Ray missed a free throw and the defense faltered badly.
The bench is a concern but should improve greatly when Delonte comes back. Nate simply can’t run the offense effectively and his shot has been terrible so far this year. Marquis shot so well in the preseason but has reverted to last year’s form. The starters are being forced once again to play too many minutes because the bench consistently gives up big leads.
Celtics still struggling mightily when playing back to back nights. The C’s initial defense was solid but the Bucks got so many offensive rebounds and second chance points. The 1-3 Bucks gave the Celtics all they could handle but tonight the C’s managed to pull it out…
I don't think he's doing a bad job, it just looks like it because
no one is making shots outside of Baby. Nate can’t hit a jumper to save his life right now.
Yea
Nate is really struggling.
Hope its simply due to his past shoulder injury and as soon as it heals he comes out of the slump soon….because we need his shooting to spread the floor and open up the low post for our bigs to score on offense..
Disagree strongly on 'Quis
Daniels is playing great. He’s actually been on the floor for 16.6 minutes per.
The problem that is keeping Pierce and Allen’s minutes high is not him. It is because of injuries to our bigs and lack of production from our bench SGs.
The former reason has created situations like last night where after JO fouled out, Doc opted to actually go small, moving KG to C, Pierce to PF and inserting Daniels in as SF. Thus, Daniels is in for minutes that don’t reduce Pierces.
The second reason is due largely to Nate’s sore shoulder messing with his shot and Delonte’s suspension and the invisible Wafer – though to be fair to the latter, he actually played very well in his very brief stint last night, not only making a nice jump shot but also he actually played some good defense on a couple of possessions. Since I watched the game 3 times (don’t ask) I made a point of focusing on him during his brief appearance and was surprised that he actually played very well. But for whatever reasons, Wafer has not had his number called much.
But bringing it back to Daniels: Quis has been playing very well. He continues to be able to get into the paint and create offensive opportunities and his defense has been just fantastic. His Offensive rating is a decent 1.06 pts per possession and his defensive rating is an excellent .96 pts per possession – that’s a +10 points per 100 possessions differential.
Afraid this is the way most (if not all) back to backs are going to be
Told my husband he should probably ban me from watching the second of back to backs.
Congrats, Paul! So happy for him and happy to see him soaking it up and enjoying the moment!
Not really
I don’t recall the specifics,but we were over 500 in back to backs last year (mentioned on the broadcast), and I sue don’t want to see a repeat of last regular season
Congratulations Paul!!!
Thanks for being so genuine & open with the Doris interview. It was a beautiful moment. Not only did you break 20,000, but you were perfect from the line! That was one of the most clutchiest moments ever! Thanks Paul!
Rajon was so close to another triple double. I really like the way he is now getting instant amnesia about a bad play, bad call, etc. & just continuing to take that ball right back at the enemy. Imagine Rajon getting more & more mentally tough….watch out association!
Glen is getting it. Hustling. Effort. Consistency. He’s looking so much better out there. Love that energy.
Quisy has made TWO game ending plays! Vs NY & Mil. I never knew he was that bold & aggressive. Way to step it up Quisy!
It would have been and still could be cool if RR broke/breaks the 30 assist record in front of Skiles
by bbeingphilled on Nov 4, 2010 2:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Congrats Paul & a sloppy, gutty win.
Congrats to PP. I thought he would be traded or leave at least a dozen times. Glad he & the team stuck together. I don’t know if he can catch Hondo, but it would be fun to see him try.
Good win over a talented & well-coached Bucks team. Bogut has to be one of the better post players in the game & the C’s never seem to have an answer for him. Holding him to 21 points is respectable.
Some bad habits resurfaced last night. Baby trying to force the action in the post over a much bigger opponent, PP dribbling down the clock, only to turn the ball over and the return of too many turnovers.
I’d put some of the turnovers down to fatigue, but Baby & Pierce could have made better plays. Hope DWest can come back & be effective. The 2nd unit really struggles without a playmaker. Robinson & Daniels seem to play much better off the ball.
Bulls game should be fun to watch…
where was the T on Scott Skiles??
I watched the game on espn and you could clearly hear him used the F bomb not once but several times. He was out on the court ranting. How come he didn’t get called for a T? The new rules are ridiculous and the league has to change them. There were several horrible calls against us last night and I think we allowed those calls to impact our play. THis sure looked like a game we were going to lose . I hate it when Pierce brings the ball up the court and tries to go one on 5 but apparently Doc wanted him to do that cuz rondo was hurting. I agree that Nate looks horrible at the moment. He needs to play off the ball and once west gets back I think Nate will play better. I’m concerned about the bench but again West will give us a big boost. I’m still not in love with Daniels game although he is better than last year. Glenn Davis will never be a great player in this league if he doesn’t rebound better. He needs to use that big butt of his a la barkley , Unseld etc to clear space. I know he’s undersized at the 4 but there’s no reason with his bulk and foot speed that he can’t be a better rebounder.
I totally agree about the ‘T’. The one on Davis was ridiculous, but if that’s the way they want to call it, they have to be consistent. So when Skiles gets a way with screaming F bombs in the ref’s face and Magette gets away with arguing vehemently about the over-the-back call (which replays show was a completely legitimate and correct call) then the ‘T’ rules are worthless.
On the Pierce ‘iso’ plays, those really aren’t genuine ISO plays. Next time Paul has the ball in his hands in those situations, watch how Ray and KG and the others move around the court. Yes, the point is for Paul to be the primary scoring option – but that is no different than when the ball starts in Rondo’s hands. It still is a team effort. The rest of the team still has responsibilities to help move the defense and create the opportunity for Paul to finish or to pass off to someone better. The Celtics have plays they run with the ball starting in Rondo’s, Pauls and Rays hands. Paul is almost always the primary scoring option in all three cases. KG is usually #2 and then Rondo and then Ray – unless they run Ray along the baseline in which case he’s often #1 or #2.
Pierce still is one of the very elite in this game at creating Free Throws per Field Goal Attempt – i.e. in addition to his ability to score, he creates fouls. It makes a lot of sense to focus the offense around him, especially late in games.
On Davis’ rebounding. On one hand, I’d like him to do more – his DRB% is still low at only 12.5% (for comparison purposes, Shaq’s is 20%, JO’s is 14.1%, Pierce’s is 19.4% and KG’s is an un-fracking-believable 30%!!!!! Even Semih’s posting a 21.5% Defensive RB%.
That said, part of the problem for BBD is he’s posted more minutes at 5 than we thought he would this year. At the 4, he has less of a height disadvantage. Also, when he’s playing the 5 he’s been next to KG a lot. And its going to be really hard for him to bring that DRB% up much higher if KG continues to hawk balls at a 30% clip!!!
If everyone gets healthy and we see BBD in more at PF with Shaq, JO & Semih at C, then Davis should be able to grab more boards on defense and raise that number up.
tough win last night for the Cs
but I’d rather see us win tough than loose tough,
that Bucks team is for real, if we face them in the playoffs, we’ll need to be at full strength, the bench will be a difference maker in that series
congrats to Paul and Rajon for a record breaking/record tying night
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