"Celtics coach Doc Rivers said Rajon Rondo may play Friday vs. New Orleans"
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Hopefully he'll be back physicall and mentally
He was losing his aggressiveness the last few games he played.
Combination of injury and inability to shoot FTs.
It’s been well documented that when he struggles from the line he shies away from going to the rim.
Add in the tender hamstring, and sore foot (plantar) which limits his first step speed, and it’s easy to see why he would lose some aggressiveness.
Still though, Rondo’s scoring is and will always be, a nice bonus, keeps defenses honest from over play the shooters and leaving space in the lane for him to drive. He create better looks for the other guys, and that will always be his primary focus.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Hallelujah!
Even funnier,was when Wade said " I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us". Uh, I'm pretty sure there is a defense right here in Boston that specializes in punking teams just like yours Dwyane. Nobody scores on us easily.
great, only if he's really healthy
which would be very surprising considering all the injuries he’s dealing with over the past month or so.
he would be out for 3 weeks
sounds about right for the ankle, wonder how the rest of the legs are feeling.
Would this have anything to do with the Rondo-Paul drama from last year?
Good News
It still amazes me that people think Doc and Eddie Lacerte are in the business of “pushing” injured players back to the court before they are ready. I think it’s safe to say that after the past 3 years of dealing with everyone’s injuries that this isn’t the case.
One of the best medical staffs in professional sports.
Eddie Lacerte has been doing this a LONG time. If Rondo is out there playing, I trust his judgement that he’s ready.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Kinda almost halfway sorta seems like they pushed Rondo back previously when he wasn’t ready, as further injury problems suggest.
Huh?
He sprained an ankle dude.. how is that “further injury problems” caused by pushing him back early?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
unless my math is way off its just over two weeks which seems clearly too short
well he isn’t back yet and maybe he feels pretty good right now..Im sure they want to protect him
He'll have been out 16 days
That’s quite some time, I don’t see how we can say its “clearly too short” until we see Rondo on the court.
Two weeks for an ankle is reasonable.
Agreed.
Whether or not they’ll say it either, I think the hamstring/plantar faciatis plays in there too. He’s officially out because of the ankle, but they may be extending the rest to make sure everything else is 100% too.
Truth is, a even badly sprained ankle, rarely takes 3 weeks.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Right now, it's just a tweet.
I thought he’d be out 6 weeks (or more), which if they push it could be 4… but two?? Seems irresponsible, and wrong, given that he had three different problems to heal. Oh well, we’ll see soon enough. This is how the team’s fortunes are made. Or lost.
6 weeks?
Where’d you get that from?
They said 1-2, possibly longer at first.
But 6 weeks for a sprained ankle? Wow…
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Where'd you get 6 weeks from?
Danny said “a couple of weeks”. Assuming Rondo plays on Friday (which please note Doc said “may”), that’s exactly 16 days. That’s not inconsistent with what Danny said. If Rondo does infact sit Friday and plays Sunday (Jan 2), that’s 18 days.
No matter how you spin it, that basically means Rondo will miss at least two more games, and possibly three, so you can’t say that they’re bringing Rondo back now in a knee-jerk reaction to losing to the Magic. I think it’s clear a timetable has been made and will be proceeded with on schedule.
That kind of sprain takes 4-6 weeks to heal
And the fasciitis can take several months, as Rondo actually said a couple of days ago. Anyway… I got 6 weeks from checking how long each of his three different health problems takes to heal (as opposed to what the team said). I put the gory details here http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/12/26/1896481/rondos-health-dilemma
I’d hoped he wouldn’t be back before about 4 weeks, which seemed to be pushing it already. But 16 days? Hard to understand. Teams make mistakes. This could be one of them, if it’s true.
I see no credible medical sources.
In your article there.
I’ve never personally heard of any ankle sprain taking that long. I’ve sprained ankles a number of times, sometime so bad I couldn’t put weight on it for a week, and was on crutches for about 5 days. And I still was playing again in 3 weeks.
So I have no idea where you get this 4-6 week stuff. Barring an actual fracture, I’ve never heard a sprain taking that long. And again, I so no medical sources quoting these time frames, so forgive me if I trust Eddie Lacerte’s opinion a bit more than yours.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
I like DRJ1
But he is known for peddling medical information on here that really is nothing more than speculation. Good poster though!
Sizzlack speaks the truth, and least in my experience and small scope of knowledge
by Warrior Spirit on Dec 28, 2010 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gee, I didn't know we had to post bibliographies
…given that everyone has access to Google, and you COULD look this up for yourselves. Here are just 2 references for the “4-6 weeks” thing:
Amer. Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons: http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00150
Search for the quote: “The healing process takes about four weeks to six weeks”
NIH: http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Sprains_Strains/default.asp
Search for quote: “a moderate sprain could require 2 to 3 month”
And….. while a healthy difference of opinion is great, it really doesn’t help to quote your own experiences with your own injuries, wouldn’t you agree?
And… hi Vinnie. Still up to your old tricks? lol
Why wouldn't it help?
I mean, a sprain is a sprain. So if I could recover in 3 weeks time after a mild to severe ankle sprain, why couldn’t Rondo, who has far greater access to round the clock treatment and expertise?
Oh and treatment time frames quoted from any source are always a ball park. Everyone heals differently. If he feels strong, and he’s moving well, and MRIs don’t reveal any structural problems, then why wouldn’t he play?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
ONLY if he's 100%!
We need him playing at his best. If he comes back too early and injures himself even worse, we can almost completely kiss banner #18 good bye.
My favorite part about Celtics Blig is all of the medical experts that are members
I put my trust in Eddie and Doc and think they actually have kept Rondo out longer this time than at any other time in the past. Lace ’em up Rajon!
It's touching, this faith in the medical profession
…and in the Celtics’ medical staff, and “Doc”. Facts are:
It’s been estimated that preventable medical errors kill about 100,000 people every year: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/27/how-we-can-prevent-medical-errors.html
And about 1.5 MILLION people are harmed every year by medical errors: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/20/AR2006072000754.html
If doctors make enough mistakes to actually KILL and HARM this many people, what makes you think that the Celtics’ staff and their doctors can’t make a mistake?
We have a blog in order to discuss their decisions, point out the good and the bad. If they bring Rondo back too soon, that would be a pretty big mistake, wouldn’t it? He could hurt himself more seriously, for example. There’s no reason that I can see not to have a discussion over whether it’s correct or not to bring Rondo back after just 16 days.
Wow, talk about one of your all time tangents.
So now we’re quoting nation wide medical error stats to say we shouldn’t bring Rondo back? Dude, if we lived our life based on those stats, I’d never go to a Doctor again.
Ya, mistakes can happen, mistakes do happen. We’ll not even get into the fact that about 70% of the cases those stats account for are generally medication errors, rather than mis-diagnosis. But regardless, it means nothing about what we’re talking about here.
Mistakes can happen, but they are trained professionals for a reason, and Eddie and the Celtics team of Doctors know far more about this than we do. So the bottom line is, we have to trust them that they won’t let him play till they’re sure he’s ready for it.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Tangent?
It’s a “tangent” to bring evidence that doctors make mistakes, when we TALKING ABOUT a possible mistake the doctors are making? Huh? Please explain.
Always entertaining having these quasi-debates, isn’t it……
Interesting point, though, about “never going to a Doctor again.” If you are never going to be involved in your doctors’ decision, if you’re going to blindly follow their advice and never check it out for yourself… I think it’s debatable whether or not you’d be better off — as in “live longer” by — not ever going to a doctor (barring real emergencies, of course). I’d say yeah, actually… you WOULD be better off. But hey, that’s just me. I haven’t killed THAT many people in my life……… uhh……. not yet, anyway……lol
When you relate Sports medicine to over all medical error statistics.
Yes, it is a tangent. Apples to Oranges, and any statistical analysis is subject to bias. Bottom line is I could do a study to provide some stats to prove just about any point I want to make. Not saying that’s what’s going on here, but you can’t draw vast conclusions based on these studies.
Don’t disagree with you overall, I obviously do my own research when it comes to medical advice, and don’t follow what a Doctor says blindly, there are some quacks out there, that’s for sure.
But for the sake of this argument, which is about Rondo’s injury, and Eddie Lacerte’s team in general, suffice to say, quoting some broad medical error statistics is an entirely futile exercise. Do you not go to a mechanic because you found some stat out there that says 1.6million fraudulent repairs are done each year (not an actual stat, just making a point)? No, if you can’t fix it yourself, you have to trust someone to do it.
That’s the point, I’m no Doctor, and I know Eddie and his staff are well respect in sports medicine and have been doing this a very long time. So I’m going to trust his expertise, and not sit here and chastise him because I read some study that says there are bad Doctors out there. We know there are, doesn’t have a damn thing to do with this argument.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
But you have no real information on Rondo's injury
In the same way you had no real information last year on Kobe’s injury and the injuries of other players. You at least have to be honest and admit that you are nothing more than speculating when you write about injuries.
Well... let's see...
I saw the video of his ankle at a less-than-90-degree angle to his leg. Barring freakish hyperflexibility, that’s a Grade 2 sprain, at least. I also read that he had, as expected, major swelling the next morning. Again, Grade 2, at least. I think that’s enough to say he had at least a Grade 2 sprain, don’t ya think?
Now, if your point is that…. (wait, I’m yawning again)……. gee, I don’t have access to either the patient or his test results… well, yeah, that’s right!! Last I checked, this is a “BLOG”, not a medical clinic. We NEVER have “real information”, do we? And yet, somehow, we manage to fill the Internet(s) with our opinions, declarations, advice, etc., etc.
Here’s a bottom line for ya: If they bring Rondo back too soon, he will be at greater risk of reinjury. If he reinjures THAT ANKLE, this time he could tear it completely (because it’s still weakened from the initial injury), which could require surgery, which would take him out for the season and effectively end the Celtics’ chances of winning a championship this season. I think that’s worthy of debate, don’t you?
Or should be just say “Well, Vinnie and Sizz think we should just trust their judgment, so why don’t we all just shut the hell up and do that!??”
:)
Ok I'm sorry.
I’ll go your route then and question every decision made and speak with complete moral superiority because I “Saw his ankle turn pretty good, so it must be a Grade 2 sprain, even though I know nothing about the structure of an ankle, and if I had his x-ray in front of me wouldn’t have a freaking what I was looking at.” I’m para-phrasing that, but it’s basically what you just said.
Get off it man, you’re only proving our point.
You don’t know jack.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Don't get worked up about it, man.
DRJ1 has a tendency speculate about injuries he sees on TV, not having examined these players himself, claiming certain facts, and then getting proven wrong almost immediately. A perfect example would be his “diagnosis” of Kobe Bryant last year – that he did some structural damage to his MCL and would miss time. Not only did Kobe finish that game, but he didn’t miss games after that due to the knee (he would go on to miss a few later in the season due to an ankle injury).
So yeah, take it with a huge grain of salt. Point is, unless someone is actually examining players, it’s all speculation. Danny and Doc gave a timeframe for Rondo’s return, and he’s on schedule.
You just got Rondo'd
Oh, and by the way.
Just because he injured it, doesn’t mean it’s still weakened from the initial injury.
Everyone heals at a different rate, and if his x-rays show no further structural issues, and he has no residual pain, there is absolutely 0 reason to believe he stands any greater risk of re-injury.
“I think that’s enough to say he had at least a Grade 2 sprain, don’t ya think?”
No, I don’t, but it’s more than enough to SPECULATE it.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Wow, how do you manage to get so many things wrong at once?
- No one “chastised” Eddie. We’re questioning their judgment if they bring Rondo back on Friday.
- I “know nothing about the structure of an ankle”? Really? And you know this… how?
- RJ87 must dig back to last year for ONE case which he THINKS I got wrong, but in fact I got right. Oh well.
- Every sprain tears ligament fibers. Once torn, they stay torn. Every sprain weakens the involved joint (barring surgery, of course).
- Really, I could go on and on… and I’ve already quoted sources for you… but there’s clearly no point. We live in the Age of Information. You COULD Google all this and get the facts, so as not to come on here and get so much wrong. Why you choose NOT to do your own work is anybody’s guess.
- I give up.
- Cheers, fellow fans.
Or you could do it yourself, and get real facts, rather than making up your own.
“Every sprain tears ligament fibers. Once torn, they stay torn.”
Untrue. Ligaments can actually grow back stronger, assuming they aren’t completely detached from the muscle, in which case we’re talking about an entirely different case here.
This is the entire basis of muscle building in fact, stretching of the ligaments in muscle create tears that strengthen as they heal, this is why you are sore after working out.
“Every sprain weakens the involved joint (barring surgery, of course).”
This is a stretch, and at best, an incomplete statement, any joint damage in fact, CAN weaken the joints, this is usually because scar tissue can develop, which makes the joint weaker, and the muscles can over compensate, leading to other teams and complications. This is not a steadfast rule, and every case is different, the blanket statement saying essentially “If you don’t get surgery, your joints are always weaker after a sprain.” Is, at best, a fallacy, or a hastily concluded point. It is possible, but not certain.
Again, every case is different, and the human body is very unpredictable, every will heal differently.
I’m glad you give up, cause your losing anyway.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
There are, actually, a lot of doctors here.
We’re lucky to have them give analysis, albeit from afar.
Great!
Hope the ankle, hammy and plantar are feeling better. I still can’t believe he was playing with them. I tweak my ankle and I want to sit on the couch for a week…
by LuckyNumber07 on Dec 28, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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