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On Chasing Girls and a Theoretical, In-Their-Prime Shaq-Garnett Pairing

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Imagine Shaq and Kevin Garnett, playing together in their primes. That's what Steve Aschburner tried to do, asking both players what it would have been like playing together in, let's say, 1999. (NBA.com)

"We'd either have eight," O'Neal said, meaning championship rings, "or we'd have had problems. In my opinion, I don't think it would work."

Don't think it would work? But, um, Shaq: You won a championship with Samaki Walker as your starting power forward -- I repeat, Samaki Walker. Wouldn't KG's scoring (and his defense, and his rebounding, and his intensity, and everything else he happens to do better than Walker) have been an upgrade?

For O'Neal, the basketball wouldn't have made sense. Two big bodies, two offensive missions, two clashing games. "He was a guy who demanded the ball all the time," Shaq said, "and he needed it in some of the same spots as myself. Now we complement each other."

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Garnett didn't think it would work, either. But his objection was different. Remember how Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, and (at least) half of America tore apart Lebron James because he didn't want to win a title by himself? A young KG's mentality was 180 degrees different from Lebron's. He didn't want to win with Shaq, because he wanted to beat him instead.

"First off, Shaq was winning rings," Garnett said the other night. "You chase the guys who are winning it. And Shaq was the most dominant big man of my era. I was chasing him. To get the respect. The value in this is, you dethrone the king. I looked at it like, 'Diesel's winning rings. You've got to dethrone him.' I really thought, with enough personnel, that I really could do that.

"I don't know if that was me being naïve or me just believing in my craft and my team. That's what it is, that's how I went at it."

You can fault Garnett for a lot of things -- his tendency to cuss 24/7, his unending string of trash talk (should I lump that in with his cussing?), or his inability (unwillingness?) to ever truly dominate offensively. But you can't fault his competitive spirit. One gets the feeling KG wakes up with two things on his mind: 1) head-butting his bed stand to prepare for the day, and 2) doing whatever he needs to do in order to move one step closer to another NBA championship.

"We speak now about the fights and the competition and us going at it," Garnett said. "I look back on it, you couldn't tell me when I was going up against him that they were that good. I believed in my craft just like he believed in his.

"The battles you go through are what makes you. The tough skin. ... You can't teach experience. You can't teach what hurts. You can't teach fightin' for something. There's no synthetic feeling for that. You know what I mean? It's not like you can simulate that in practice.

"You fight and you chase something. We're all men here, we've all chased the girls once or twice. Or man. Or whatever your preference is. Then to finally get that date and actually get that relationship and actually go forth to everything that you wish it was, it's very similar to that."

Moving on from tantalizing thoughts about Garnett and Shaq teaming in their prime (I still think it would have worked, mostly because of Garnett's unselfish and versatile game - but it doesn't really matter), I finally get to the matter at hand: the 2010-'11 season.

As Garnett said, "You can't teach experience. You can't teach what hurts." You can't teach what losing in a Game 7 feels like. You can't teach the motivation that derives from that loss. You can't teach the wild desperation of four future Hall-of-Famers on the last legs of their careers, trying to solidify their legacies with another title or two.

There are no more promises in Kevin Garnett's career. As Garnett said, this season could be his last. An NBA lockout could wipe out next year, and that could be the end for Kevin Garnett. There can be no more looking forward to tomorrow. For Garnett and his veteran teammates, the end is near. It's in sight, and approaching with the swiftness of Rondo in transition.

"They're at the point where they don't have anything left to prove," Doc Rivers told Aschburner. But that's not true. For competitors of that magnitude, there's always something to prove.

At this point in their career, the Big Three-Era Celtics' dating days are almost over. But for now, there's still another girl (or two) to chase.

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Since the Shaq & KG duo is working pretty darn good currently....

I would only assume it would of worked out just fine 10 years ago.

That duo if paired up at that time probably would of been one of the best center / power forward tandems in NBA history.

by fordescort on Dec 8, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

Fellas

Do we forget the difference of our big 3 and theirs? Ego, youth and numbers.
How is this not the same thing?
I am not sure that either of them would have taken a back seat and one would have had to. Not to mention they would have had no one to play with, as their contracts would have already maxed the team out.
It is coming together for the golden years, the last push, unselfishly that makes this team work.

Besides mofo couldnt win with Karl Malone and youthful Kobe driving the lane, there is only so much space in the post, and in their prime both KG and Shaq required a lot of it.

Not saying it couldnt work, and for sure at times it would have been sick, but look at the Heat. Talent in prime with ego does not a good team make.

by Warrior Spirit on Dec 8, 2010 10:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

My only qualms...

with what you’re saying are this: 1) the Heat may be starting to get the proverbial it. Just because their Big Three didn’t work out instantly doesn’t mean it won’t.

And 2) part of the reason the Heat didn’t work instantly is because the three talents don’t exactly fit together. Lebron and Wade both possess slashing games, and both need the ball in their hands. They don’t complement each other well, at least not yet.

KG’s inside-outside game could have complemented Shaq’s perfectly, as the two players have done so far this season. Additionally, KG has always been an unselfish type, someone willing to defer to a teammate with a good look. Even in his MVP year, KG was never a ball-stopper.

Maybe the alpha dog battle would have been too severe for a Shaq-Garnett team to win games, but I imagine the two would have fit better than the Heat.

by Jay_King on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong

Not saying it would never gel, just like Miami should get it togrther eventually. But I just dont think it would have been the best move. I think it may have taken them longer to gel than most. But you are also not taking into account the salaries. If there was no cap and they could pull a yankee, eventually yes, it would work. But those egos and the battle for top banana would take some time.

by Warrior Spirit on Dec 8, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's hard to say about the Heat. There's a ticker involved in such things.

There’s only so much time you can take in working out your difficulties before the accumulated slights and hard feelings become too much to overcome. The outcome of such a situation often depends on the various players’ predilections for nursing grudges.

by no kidding on Dec 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's an example: Paul Pierce's initial difficulties with Doc Rivers.

If you’ll recall, Pierce early on butted heads with Doc. Doc was pushing Pierce to share the ball more, to quit taking off so many plays, and to play better defense. Eventually Pierce came around to Doc’s way of thinking and bought in. But if the process had taken longer, then quite possibly one or both of them would have found the situation too intolerable, and someone would have had to go. (And this was well before Ainge brought in Allen and Garnett.)

by no kidding on Dec 8, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

It definately would have work as would have Chris Webber with Shaq if Orlando did not trade him for Penny Hardaway back in the day. Basically would just have to surround them with good shooters who play good D aswell and you could have called it a day.

by 82-0-Celtics on Dec 8, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I might agree...to a point

Consider the fact that Karl Malone and Shaq teamed up to reach the finals in 2004.

Now, the debate is whether or not they needed to win the championship to prove that it was a good fit. I say “no”. But I am sure some will disagree with me.

by afflatus on Dec 8, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If they had a very good PG,

it definitely would’ve worked!
I don’t think ego would’ve been the issue. I mean, if shaq could stand being with kobe for 8 years, dealing with KG couldn’t be so hard.

by Rany on Dec 8, 2010 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

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