Does Larry Brown Have A Need For Sheed Instead?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 10, 2010 12:43 AM EST
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Rick Bonnell from the Charlotte Observer checked in on the trade rumor from this afternoon and has an interesting twist on it. Perhaps the Cats actually want Rasheed Wallace instead. Here's his take:
There's a report on espn.com that the Charlotte Bobcats and Boston Celtics are in trade talks involving Glen "Big Baby'' Davis. I'm told the two teams have talked, but I wouldn't be so certain Davis would be the guy the Bobcats covet.
The Celtics need another guard who can knock down shots, which brings D.J. Augustin (or possibly Flip Murray) to mind. Obviously, the Bobcats would love to get Rasheed Wallace, a longtime favorite of coach Larry Brown, who hasn't played particularly well of late in Boston.
The beauty of Wallace in Charlotte would be his wide skill set, You could pair him with any of three big men -- Tyson Chandler, Nazr Mohammed or Boris Diaw -- and he could blend with whatever strengths and weaknesses the other big man had.
First of all, it sounds like there's at least some fire to this smoke if we have multiple reports that the two sides have talked. Of course (as you can already tell) these things can be fluid and all we are getting is blurry snapshots from well beyond camera range. But you take what you can get sometimes. My thoughts after the break.
Obviously I'm pretty shocked that Rasheed Wallace's name would come up in a trade rumor. I always assumed that trading him a few months after signing him would be a bad precedent with future free agents willing to take less than market value to land in Boston for a shot at the title (see Daniels, Marquis). On the other hand, you could make a strong argument that Sheed got exactly what the market would allow and was probably overpaid at that.
Clearly things haven't worked out as we had hoped with Sheed. He comes as advertised, so no real surprises here (too many 3's, not in prime condition anymore) but I had (and still have) hopes that once the playoffs rolled around, he would prove his true value as a veteran who's been through the fire a few times.
From the Bobcats standpoint, it could make some sense. Larry Brown favors the veterans that "know how to play the right way" over younger players. Maybe he thinks he could get the most out of Sheed - just like old times.
The key question for both Boston and Charlotte here might be "does an out of shape Sheed have more short term upside than a relatively in shape Glen Davis?" The answer might be "if he's motivated to" which nobody really knows the answer to.
As a side comment, I wonder how KG and Pierce would feel about dealing away the guy they spent so much time recruiting this offseason for a backup point guard. Then again, Ainge seems willing to trade Ray Allen (for the right price) and perhaps KG and Pierce aren't all that impressed with Sheed after all - not that they would ever say so.
Anyway, these are just idle thoughts on a variation of a rumor that may or may not have any merit.
I also tracked down David Arnott from Rufus on Fire to get a scouting report on DJ Augustin. Here is his report.
He's a score-first point. I've compared his ceiling to Damon Stoudemire. Last season, playing alongside Raymond Felton much of the time, he was a great shooter from both three point range and from the free throw line, and even though he's small, he was Devin Harris-esque when driving the lane. As solid an offensive player as he was, he struggled (and struggles) mightily on defense. Even average sized guards can back him down, and he's short enough that he's not good at contesting shots.
This year, Larry Brown has been in his head, trying to mold him into a more traditional distributing point guard, and he was terrible in the early part of the season. More recently, he's been coming around. I think he's actually a lesser total player for Brown's influence, but a slightly better offense facilitator. He's still young enough that if he gets a coach who will nurture his strengths instead of trying to make him something he's not, I can see him fulfilling that Stoudemire prediction. As for what he'd do on the Celtics, I imagine he'd mostly fill Eddie House's role, with the primary edge on Eddie being that he'd be better able to bring the ball up the floor and dribble away from pressure. He's probably not quite the shooter House is, but you could play him alongside Rondo some and have him work off screens Jesus Shuttleworth style.
I think I like what I hear, with the obvious exception of the defensive issue. The hope here is that Doc can set him free from whatever doghouse Larry Brown has him in and he'll feel more comfortable doing what he does best instead of worrying about being molded into another Rondo. Also, if he gives even a little effort on defense, the team defense (that is when the team feels the urge to play 48 minutes of it) could theoretically cover for him.
Of course, now that we've looked at this from every angle I can think of, Danny will probably do something completely different than this (if anything at all). But that's all part of the fun we have this time of year every year.
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I will be thrilled if it happens
eliminate the least motivated player on the team and address our need at backup PG? I’ll take it
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 10, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
and I'll make it one better:
throw in Eddie House and we take back Flip Murray
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 10, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well
There’s no point at this point in me saying “Trading Sheed is a mistake” if he had to end up in a trade rumor. If Danny is indeed willing to trade Sheed and the rest of the team is up for it, then I guess that’s how things will be.
The thing is, is DJ Augustin worth it? I’m not sure if a “combo guard”, as they’re called is the answer, especially via trade. I’d rather get Keyon Dooling, for example.
Wait, I take this back
I wanna see how long it takes Ainge to deny this rumor, too. 8 )
Keeping Sheed is the greater risk
If he steps up in the playoffs, obviously we’ll all be happy. But the risk is that he won’t, and it’s not a small one….. he will still be out of shape and he’ll have months of nearly complete free rein doing (and not doing) whatever he wants, however he wants, on the court. He’s on his last contract and it’s guaranteed, so there’s no financial motivation. How do you get to this guy? What levers do you pull?
Too risky. Move him if you can.
The thing with that is, everyone knew this was a risk when we went after him.
He’s turned into a malcontent, but everyone hoped being around KG, Paul, and even Ray would spark him. We took a gamble – knowing the risks – and it didn’t work out. Can’t really cry foul now, can we?
A part of me wishes we could play Toronto all season long, for some reason Sheed shows up against them.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
nobodys tryina "cry foul"
we’re just talking about trading him…which i think is legitamte. although i dont think trading sheed for augustine would help. id rather trade baby, although im not really convinced of that either. call me conventional, but i just dont like trading big for small…
Agreed
Time to admit a mistake. Given that the C’s are on the hook for 2 more years with this guy, I’d take less than full value to get him off the team. At the same time I don’t like the idea of dealing a 4 for a backup combo guard.
I’m guessing if Danny is lucky enough to unload him, it’s going to be as part of a 3 team deal.
The Cats can't take Sheed fast enough...
I’d trade Sheed for a 2nd rounder.
Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...
Are you guys blind? How is it that the perception of Sheed has gone so bad? Is KG lazy and old because he doesn’t rebound?
Rasheed’s experience, length, defense, and ability to stretch the floor is going to be invaluable during the playoffs. Glen Davis has none of these things.
i would say that Davis' passion, hustle, willingness to scramble is going to be invaluable during the playoffs. Sheed has none of these things.
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 10, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
We need Sheed to use those assets and be invaluable now to us. His length does us no good if he does not jump or move laterally. His defense? How many times have we seen an opposing player get behind him and score an easy layup. Stretch the floor? If he continues to miss his 3’s, the opposition is going to play him like they do Rondo: dare him to shoot and then collapse the boards for rebound. He need to be in the paint on defense and play closer to the rim on offense. The latter requires some moves which he does not have anymore. BBD at least hustles after rebounds and has some intensity. But he is not the answer either.
wouldn't be sad to see sheed go
soon we will be dealing with games without sheed due to suspension for too many technicals (maybe a good thing?), but you never know when it will happen. I think he has been a bad influence on Perk, and he doesn’t seem to want to fit into the offensive flow. yes we knew he liked the 3, but even when he is guarded by a smaller player he is not willing to go in the paint (why not Doc?). He just shoots 3’s, great when he hits them, but doesn’t seem to recognise when to attempt them in the flow, just jacks them up anytime.
Not that I am completely sold on big baby either. For a guy his size, he should finish off at the rim a lot harder, he gets blocked and disturbed by guys that are smaller and he out-weighs. But he has the potential I think to be better, sheed is nearly done.
Do media and fans affect events?
All the media and blog talk about moving Sheed could easily turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy. Not because Danny, Doc and Wyc are affected….. but because SHEED is affected. How do you think he feels when he reads people calling him fat, lazy, childish, worthless, or worse? And knowing that members of his family and friends are seeing it too. I can imagine how all that might lead a proud guy like Sheed to feel… unwelcome in Boston? Enough to want out? Yes, in that way, the media and fans may have their most direct influence on events… at least in this case.
That would suck.
it has happened before in sports.
it would be totally ridiculous to trade sheed: the celtics tried so hard to get him for the postseason and now that? Won’t happen.
Who cares how hard they tried to get him. He has been a bust. Admit the mistake, unload him and get a younger big or a backup PG for him. Otherwise, we have this guy for 2 more years. Does anyone think he will be the first guy off the bench next year or the year after? Does anyone think he will be in better shape a year or two from now? What is his motivation? He is making a pittance compared to the Big 3 and now Rondo. He has already won a ring. If he was motivated, you would see it in his conditioning. You would see it in his movement up and down the court. So he can make a 3 pointer every now and then. That is about it.
Any trade that gets Sheed out of Boston...
…Is an excellent trade!
Sheed is just stealing the money at this point….showing up, going through the motions, seldom breaking a sweat.
The sooner, the better….just ship his fat a$$ out of town ASAP!!!!!
What about this
Sheed and Scal for Diaw and Flip?
Pros and cons
To Sheed or Baby for Augustin. The pros are: we finally address the backup PG situation, which we’ve completely failed to do since Rondo took over the reins, and we get rid of an inconsistent/maddening frontcourt player in the process. I’d easily prefer to ship Sheed. I’m sorry, but except for a handful of games, signing him has been a disaster. At least Baby, for his shortcomings, attacks the basket/gets to the line/fights for rebounds/doesn’t get called for a million technicals. His ceiling is higher than Sheed’s, if not by much. And he’s younger and cheaper on an already old/expensive team.
The major con of this deal is it ships off a rebounder on a team that’s already sorely lacking in them. If either deal goes through, our only remaining consistent rebounders will be Perk and KG. Not good, especially if Doc continues to bury Shelden on the bench. Basically we address one need (not having to crap ourselves every time Rondo’s on the bench) at the expense of something that’s already a weakness (rebounding).
Tough call for Danny if these are in fact the deals on the table.
by joebianca on Feb 10, 2010 4:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It's not quite Gilbert Arenas land, but...
I’d be amazed at anyone taking Sheed and Sheed’s remaining 2 years. But really, if there is a taker, how bad would it be to trade for 50 cents (or even 25) on the dollar? Especially when that dollar plays with 10-cent effort.
Also, in regards to what Jeff said:
I always assumed that trading him a few months after signing him would be a bad precedent with future free agents willing to take less than market value to land in Boston for a shot at the title
There’s a flipside to that. Ultimately, how bad of a precedent would it be for other free agents to see that if they sign a contract, they’re expected to do things like rebound and there are consequences if they don’t? If those kinds of tings make a player second-guess coming to Boston, is that a player we particularly want?
Also, there’s two things to always remember in these situations:
1. We often don’t see the trades coming that actually end up happening.
2. Danny is always 4 steps ahead of what we think we know. It’s like when you see a deer cross the road. Wait a moment, because there’s often another one about to come out of the trees running just behind the first. If Danny makes one trade (especially such a seemingly small one as Baby or DJA), he’s probably got something more up his sleeve.
I'd like to know..
Doc’s thoughts on Sheed. I only see the nationally televised games, but I think Sheed is still very valuable. He passes superbly, scores very well out of the post, defends well against the big centers and PF’s, and, yes, yes, he rebounds ok when down low. About the too many 3’s and staying outside so much? Maybe that’s what Doc wants…to open the middle for RR/PP/RA to penetrate and have a open hole after coming off a screen?
I would not trade him for a backup PG. Daniels has shown he can to it, House is not that bad and the last several games I’ve seen PP bringing the ball up when RR was on the bench. There are probably 9 million backup PG’s out of work, but not many proven big guys. I remember last year when Perk had foul problems or shoulder problems . We got MASSACRED.
I agree
Unless the C’s get another legit backup big man to replace Sheed, its silly to trade him for a guard.
if we trade sheed this team will be finished .because only him and perk can defend bigs like shaq and howard or bynum stop hating and show sheed some love and eventually it will pay.i promise u everything will be alright and in the playoff he will be our offensive tread and defensive juggernout .SAVE SHEED!!!!!!!!!!
To many whispers, to many rumors
I don’t know what, but something is going to happen.
act of God
if Brown will take Sheed you fire up the fax ASAP and get him outta here…say thank you and move on….trades and buyouts will be plenty to replace him before march 1st
This sounds like CHA approached us if true
and it would be a very stupid deal to do.
Of course they did.
Either Big of C’s would make them better while getting a rid of player they don’t want.
Danny unlike most isn’t stupid IMO so I’ll be hoping for this trade not to come to fruition.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I hope neither BBD or Sheed
gets traded because neither are the reason for the losing and not for Augustine.
Not that I actually believe the trade rumor.
Ray Allen is the only one I want removed ASAP for any of the rumored deals.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
for *any* of the rumoured deals?
Good gawd, no! Some of those rumoured Ray Allen trades are ridiculously bad and would seriously hurt this team.
Trade him for the right deal, not just any deal.
granted, in many ways sheed has been a disappointment, but he is not the reason we are losing. the big 3 are struggling. davis is too small to replace sheed. the only way sheed goes is for another big man as much as we dislike sheed, he is more of an asset than davis.
Agreed Sheed will be needed for the playoffs
whether we like his attitude or not.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
reason #1
perk has a new mentor this year and he ain’t been a good influence.
Perk was tied for 6th in technicals last year in the league
Where was Sheed then?
Perk needs to stop all the offensive fouls.
Fair or not – he is getting lit up for various sloppy offensive fouls (moving screens, usually).
These are hurting us in two ways. First, he gets pissed and says something and racks up a T or at a minimum pisses off the refs. And then he is in foul trouble late in the games.
Second – and this hurts our bottom line – its a turnover. Which is killing our offense. Of all the various numbers that indicate what is wrong with our offense, it is our 17% TOV rate that is most ‘un-champion-like’. And offensive fouls by the bigs (mainly Perk ) are a huge contributor to that.
Perk needs to stop all the offensive fouls
That needed to stop four years ago.
If .....
Rasheed (are only back up center) is traded for Augustine (a guard) then who will be our back up center?
We spent all summer to fill in this big time weak spot and unless another trade or signing is made to bring in another back up big man / center then this is a unwise move.
The C’s would be committing suicide heading into the playoffs with out a back up center big man on the roster with Shaq, Howard and Bynum waiting for us.
If the trade is made with the stipulation the C’s will make another trade or buy out signing to obtain a legit big man /center then its worth maybe doing depending of course who the other big man / center is we obtain.
Rasheed is not perfect but he is the only big man / center we have on the bench and we need his size length, low post defense and offense, if we can find a better substitute for him fine, but if not I say pass on this rumored deal since it will do more harm then good.
What if...
What if it’s true that Larry Brown wants Sheed?
What about Sheed for Augustin, Law, and Henderson (neither Law nor Henderson really play at all in charlotte, it’s just for salary matching). Or Sheed and Scal for Augustin and Mohommad, if Charlotte wanted out of his money committment next year.
But then, follow up with:
What if Ray went to Philly for Dalembert and Iguodola.
We’re looking at a 2nd half of the year/playoff rotation of:
Rondo/Augustin
Iggy/TA
Pierce/Daniels
KG/Baby
Perk/Dalembert
I would do your proposed deal in a heartbeat....
We get a back up center to replace Sheed and get young and athletic in the back up center position and on the wing .
How possible is the deal though is the question.
the one problem with this
is that there’s no scorer off the bench except probably your new PG — Augustin.
True...
Trades rarely a clear cut win – win situation.
You may remedy one problem by making a trade but open a new one as well.
Good point slamtheking.
reason 2
sheed is in the bottom 10 in 3 pt % and jacks em up like he’s reggie miller.
reason 2a
you can’t rebound the ball from the 3 point line big man
and so?
None of that changes that he’s still our most effective bench player, our first big off the bench and despite all the whining and armchair criticism around here, far far far more valuable than a bench PG who would play at most 10-12 minutes per game. Probably less during the playoffs.
Our offense works just as well with Sheed as with KG – this is a measurable fact – so all the complaints about his 3PT shooting are silly. Through the month of January Sheed’s 3PT shooting was much improved – basically back to his career average – which is right about NBA average (~34%). More importantly, his 3PT shooting opens space underneath for our slashers to work in. We don’t want him out there the whole game – but there are plays where it makes perfect sense for him to draw a big out of the paint. If he doesn’t take at least a few shots from out there, they won’t come.
Where Sheed is coming up short is on defense and that largely has to do with the fact that while KG was injured Sheed was coming in and playing at the 4 against first-string PFs. He’s not athletic enough to do that anymore on an extended basis. His defense is much better in rotations where he subs for Perk at C or when he matches up against second or third-string bigs at either position.
Finally – rebounds are so overrated as a stat. People need to get over it. Especially offensive rebounds – they have almost no correlation with winning. Defensive rebounds are important – but not the raw total since that varies with the number of shots allowed and the opposing team’s FG%. What’s important is the percentage of defensive rebound opportunities they grab. For the record, as a team, the C’s grab 73% of defensive rebounds – which is better than most of the top teams including the Lakers, Cavs, Hawks, Spurs, etc.
DA, PP Ray Allen and KG didn't fly to Detroit last summer to
beg Sheed to come to Boston to make a run at a title only to then turn around and trade him before the All-Star break…..it will never happen and I have bets to make if anyone wants to bet me…..not gonna happen.
It’s crazy talk…..
Is it Soup Yet?
It's certainly a tough deal to close
…but not for this terrible reason. By this standard, all mistakes must be borne forever, never fixed or even addressed. Uh uh, not so po.
by DRJ1 on Feb 10, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's not what he said
Your response (“By this standard”) implies that Master Po refers to the Sheed signing as a “mistake”.
That may be your view, but that’s not what Master Po said.
What he said was simply that such a trade (Sheed for Augustine) is “not gonna happen”. I agree.
not this time, m
Dead wrong on this one. Your point isn’t even relevant. Po gave his REASON for believing it won’t happen, which was all the summer’s effort to get Sheed. That’s the logic I assailed as terrible.
If he wants to argue that it wasn’t a mistake, let him do so. No problem with that. But do not claim that a prior act should never be revisited just because they worked hard on it. It’s ridiculous.
by DRJ1 on Feb 10, 2010 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Basic English.
Your language suck’s Po’s reference to the Sheed acquisition into the set of “all mistakes” without clarifying that it is YOUR opinion that it is a mistake.
Such a simple concept, but guess you don't get it
I will explain this thing (which you should, and probably do, already understand) like I’m talking to a 5-year-old. When done, there will be NO argument left to make.
Po stated that he believes this deal will not happen because of all the effort that went into the original Sheed acquisition. He did NOT say anything about his opinion of Sheed, or whether getting Sheed was a mistake in the first instance, or not. In effect, Po was saying: "REGARDLESS of how you feel about Sheed now, they’re not gonna reverse all that work they did this summer – going over to his house en masse and all." If he had meant to say that getting Sheed was a good idea, (a) he would have said it, since it’s far and away the key issue, and (b) there would be NO NEED to make the point about the summer’s work, which is completely superfluous and subordinate to his view of Sheed’s value to the team. So it’s clear that Po’s point was ONLY that this deal won’t happen because they worked too hard to get it.
I came along and pointed out a logical error: that the work done on any given past decision should never have any influence on revisiting that decision. That the very concept is ridiculous, because it dooms you to living with your worst mistakes (unless you believe that every difficult decision made is always the correct one.) To make that point, I must logically, but not actually, "suck Po into" the concept of Sheed’s acquisition having been a mistake, because without that, there’d be no reason to revisit the decision at all. The question of revisitation only arises if there’s a reason to revisit in the first place. Without that reason, we’ve got nothing to talk about.
I am saying, then, to Po – do not give, as a reason for keeping Sheed, all the work done to get him. Give your positive opinion of Sheed, if you have one. Say you think no good deal can be found, if you believe that. Say anything… except what you actually said.
This is a point of logic. It is not at all (necessarily) related to Sheed at all, or what anybody thinks of him. More specifically, it does not attack your positive view of Sheed, and therefore, you should never have pulled this particular point into question. Far as I can tell, it can’t be questioned. The logic is airtight.
Under Ground Rule 1, stated above, you will not try to make me repeat myself again.
(The above was written on an airplane. Came back to a pathetic, pathetic night. I’m hating this team.)
At this point, you're supposed to say
“Ok, you’re right. I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.”
(I sometimes teach “Internet Etiquette” at the local college… betcha didn’t know that.)
The "mistake" spew....
…implies that the Celtics are offering Sheed. I do believe Larry Brown is the one talking about Sheed.
I agree with Po, as well. I want a backup PG as much as anyone, but even if I’m personally willing to give up Sheed for that (which I’m not), I’d also bet you money that Danny ISN’T.
I would go ahead and clarify even though mmmm is very close
but you guys seem to have “hugged it out” so all is well……
Is it Soup Yet?
GET RID OF SHEED
we are not gonna win with sheed, we signed him because we thought he would space the floor out and hit wide open shoots …. he missies wide open shoots plus he came hear out of shape… he can’t even guard anybody… then he talks to damn much in now we don’t get any calls late in games or throughout them… he’s our biggest issue the guy doesn’t give a shit if he wins or loses… please trade his ass we could lose without him
will sheed turn it on for the playoffs?
that’s the question I have and that’s the risk in letting him go. without him, if kg or perk are hurt we get killed up front. I’d rather play sheed at the back up center position than the PF position. we need another guard, there’s no question about that but if we trade sheed or davis we create a hole in our frontcourt..also does augustin and house work as a back court? probably not
Not likely
Did he turn it on in the playoffs the past few years? Nope. What we see is essentially what we’re getting. Sheed is old and in decline. He doesn’t have the physical ability to overcome his “passion” anymore.
I agree if we trade Sheed we have a hole in the frontcourt…we need another tall guy. For all of Sheed’s fault he is still tall! As for Davis, I don’t think he is a net positive out there, especially now that he is the “low post” option, ie his role is to finish on the block and at the rim (while Sheed drifts out to Shangri 3pt-la). So trading him isn’t a problem to me. Scal and Shelden can plug in. The 4th big isn’t getting much run barring injury/foul trouble in the playoffs anyway (and if KG or Perk are injured it doesn’t really matter).
This trade would make ZERO sense on the face of it.
Unless there were MAJOR extra components (such as being part of a multi-player/multi-team trade) there is simply no way in **** that Danny would be so stupid as to trade his first big off the bench, his SIXTH BEST PLAYER and who is going to be a critical need in the post in the playoffs – for a backup PG who would probably not crack 8 minutes behind Rondo in the playoffs since we almost certainly would see Rondo on the floor for at least 40 minutes in every playoff game.
This is just silly talk.
Might Sheed be traded? Remotely possible – given his contract it is not likely, but still possible. But given his value to this team, it would take a lot more than DJ Augustine to move him.
Gawd I can’t wait for the trade deadline to pass.
"Sixth Best Player" is not (necessarily) fact, it's opinion
And no doubt you will agree with that. As you know, some do not agree with that assessment.
But I do agree that Cs cannot make this deal without filling the hole they originally meant to fill with Sheed. Any deal would have to be part of a larger arrangement. That’s why it’s so hard to do.
as measured by Net48 efficiency
No other bench player on this team has a higher +/- than Sheed.
There – nice and qualified for you.
This trade makes sense if you acknowledge (as I now do) that the Celts are no longer legit contenders. Sheed can provide value playing a 10-15 mins a game for a team with a real shot at a title. DA got him on the assumption that KG waould still have a couple of years of near top-level production, the team could really contend, and Sheed with all his flaws, could really help in small doses and maybe put them over the top. Once you admit that KG is no longer good enough to make us contenders, Sheed’s age and contract simply constitute an albatross around the the team’s neck. I wouldn’t be surprised if part of his slippage in recent games has come from the realization that he’s not on a potential title squad and there’s not much to get fired up about. His departure might also help energize Perk, who’s a central part of the rebuilding that now needs to happen.
I say trade him for any young player with a reasonable contract who can make a solid contribution. If you get 75 cents on the dollar, that’s great. I’d do it in a fingersnap. The same applies to Ray — a great guy, but we’re not titling with him or without him this year,
by BouncingBuckeye on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions
I don't admit this team cannot contend
With health, they absolutely can and will. But I still want to move Sheed, because he has disappointed even our lowered expectations.
But if they don’t move him… which is far and away the likely event…. they still have a shot, if Sheed wakes up for the playoffs.
It’s interesting…. there are a lot of guys who MUST perform well for the Cs to win it all… Rondo, KG, Perk, Paul, Ray, Quis, Sheed, and probably Eddie and TA too. So another way of stating this is: “the destiny of this 2010 team depends absolutely on Rasheed Wallace’s performance in the playoffs”. To me, that’s a scary sad statement.
Possible
If Brown’s so hot for Wallace, how about this: Sheed and Big Baby for Augustin and Mohammed. Charlotte gets a Sheed plus a banger to replace Mohammed. We get another interior defender and scrapper plus PG depth. Hurts our depth up front a bit, but Williams plays more and maybe we pick insurance up from a free agent.
TRADE SHEED!!!!
and you can throw in Scal as a free bonus
how about
how about sheed and house for diaw and dj?
Wouldn't work
Trade Machine says. But substitute Mohammed, who is having a great year, for Diaw and it does work. Would be a good trade for us, methinks. We get more suitable talent, though take on more contracts. They get two expirings.
yes it does
forgot to mention jr giddens in my previous suggestion. he’s a throw in for salary purposes and i just mentioned the primaries.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfbo6vy
i dont get it...
why does everyone want sheed to go?? we knew he was a 3 point shooter (not necesarily a 3 point shot maker) when we got him. in fact that kinda added to his appeal. also we dont NEED a back up pg. we won without one before and we can win without one again. what we need is timely defense and just some kevin garnetts pre 2009 game to come back.
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