Who Dat?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 10, 2010 10:34 PM EST
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we need to stop using that as an excuse.
February doesn’t mean you can give up 11 games with double-digit leads.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Pierce
Not Ray.
But seriously, ’quis plays lights out in this game and sits out the bulk of the fourth quarter, huh? Makes no sense.
i believe the +1 is for
Quis not playing most of the fourth in place of pierce who was obviously not healthy tonight
PP should have sat the entire game
I stick by my comment, though. Pierce is not playing or acting like the captain of the team. At this point, I don’t think trading any of the players will solve this teams problem(s).
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
He's still injured
Give him a little slack
by funkstarrdeluxe on Feb 11, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more!
What is Doc thinking anyway, Quis was on fire in the 3rd quarter and then he took him out and never brought him back in, what the hell is that? Considering Quis and TA were the only one’s going to the basket and moving without the ball on offense those 2 definitly should have been on the floor!
- I have 1 question (even though we all knew that the comments weren’t true to begin with). What happened to Doc sitting people who allow the ball to “stick” on offense and who don’t play defense? Let’s see for the whole second half all I saw was PP bringing the ball up trying his lame spin move and either 1) getting stripped 2) falling down 3) forcing a bad pass or 4) missing a bad shot! can anyone tell me that this wouldn’t be considered “Sticking”? There is no way KG and PP should have played the 3rd quarter they were garbage all night (although you could potentially attest that to the fact that they played a whopping 10 or something minutes in the first half and their “old and creaky bones were stiff and sore” otherwise known as “cold”). The other thing that really gets me is watching perk stand underneath the hoop and not even jumping for rebounds, there was one play in particular last night where he was 1 on 1 with a smaller guy underneath the basket on offense. Someone took a shot (Don’t recall who, because of the series of thrown objects when I saw what happened) the shot hit off the rim and the smaller guy from NO jumped and got the rebound over Perk what the hell is that? that is not effort my friend, if I am Doc I sit him down right then and their!
Here are the problems for the celtics:
1) no ball movement in second half ( We all knew this)
2) But what is worse, is that when they try to move the ball, they throw it away or turn it over
3) Perk and KG aren’t even competing for rebounds (hence last night)
4) Apparently “Team” defense and “rotations” go out the door in the second half (this might be stupid and this is my first post on the site, but if the rotations are no longer their for the “team” style defense couldn’t we maybe try to throw people off with a bit of a 3-2 or 2-3 Zone defense? it would require less work by the big’s specifically Wallace who hates to rotate anyway (even though he pretty much saved us, or tried to last night). Just a thought, probably stupid though.
5) It is becoming more clear to me that the Celtics are far more successful on the fast break ( i know you needs stops to be a fast break team). However in the second half when we stop playing defense Rondo still needs to penetrate the defense more and create offense for himself and others.
6) Doc needs to get a leash on some of these players, if they don’t rotate they will be subbed, if they make stupid plays or turn the ball over excessively they will be subbed the next game needs to a be statement game (like this one should have, but wasn’t) Seriously if I have to field a court of Rondo, Scal, TA, Quis, and Williams I would do it just to tell the other guys “if you don’t play by the team concept, you won’t play”. PERIOD!
- Sorry about the vent but I am so fed up with Doc saying one thing but doing another and the team not pulling their heads out of there own asses and just executing the gameplan without trying to carry the team on their own shoulders when things go bad! I think I am done know.
Haha
All I can do is laugh. But I know that I can save 90-150 on tickets to the playoffs since we might not even make it haha.
Anoother double digit lead, another collapse.
Does this team look like a championshop team? Really? Really? Really? Anyone still think we shouldn’t make a trade?
by The Village Idiot on Feb 10, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions
I still think we shouldn’t make a trade.
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 10, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, another 3rd Q collapse. What an uninspired performance. I am usually optimistic when I post but this team is so disappointing to watch right now. They get you pumped with the lead and demoralized when they blow it. They looked like they did not care last night, except for House and Daniels. Why didn’t Daniels play in the 4th. PP looked so slow last night. I am sure the injury had something to do with it, but geeze….
As for Ray sitting out, it does point to a trade. Think about it. He is looking at almost a week off after playing last night, Plenty of time to deal with a back spasm. His team is in a funk and they need him to play. Just does not make sense. We could have used him last night since there was nobody else to really spread the floor. And I am sick of us making average players into all-stars when we play them. Petersen went off on us last night. When was the last time you heard anyone rave about one of his performances. We all need a break from watching this team, especially with a tough west coast road swing after the break.
no, one trade is not going to make the difference
i wish multi trades could happen
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
won't make a difference this year
years to come, hopefully
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
won't that depend on just WHO is in the trade?
Everybody in this thread seems to be hanging their hat on “The Trade” to somehow at least save the future, as salve for punting on this season.
Okay – what trade saves our future?
It doesn't "save" the future
It allows us to get assets that can be good in the years to come. Even if they are not part of the ultimate championship puzzle, they could be pieces to trade in the future. It’s simple, you let Ray expire, you get nothing in return for him. How is this hard not to understand? BTW, what’d you think of Garnett tonight?
He sucked.
No touch on any of his shots. Played way too soft on defense. Wasn’t so much slow – he overran a couple of plays. Just seemed way out of synch.
Pierce was worse though – and more worrisome. He was slow and unstable out there. You could see it early. He should not have been out there. He made everyone around him worse and could have been seriously hurt. He fell down, what? 4 times? And 8 TOVs????
I’m still waiting to hear of a trade combo that is going to make sense. I have a feeling that at least half the blog will be screaming bloody murder no matter what trade is made or if we don’t make a trade.
If all we want are future tradable assets – how are those better than tradable contracts?
Letting Ray expire – you get financial relief and you still have his Bird rights and the MLE with which to work with for next year. That’s not ‘nothing’.
Again – I’m not saying we shouldn’t trade Ray. I just haven’t been impressed by most of the proposals.
Letting Ray expire – you get financial relief and you still have his Bird rights and the MLE with which to work with for next year. That’s not ‘nothing’.
We have MLE regardless of what happens with Ray. The question is, do you get more in trade for Ray, or more in S&T in the offseason. I highly suspect we get more for his huge expiring than we’d get in any potential S&T.
As to you waiting to hear of a trade combo that makes sense, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve seen a number of trades that I thought would be good value for us just over the last several days.
In the end, I think this debate boils down to… do you still believe this team can win a championship this year. If you don’t, then it makes no sense not to get the most out of Ray’s expiring as you can. Then next year do likewise with PP’s, and then the following year, again with Garnett and Sheed’s expirings. Having old guys with big contracts only makes sense if you’ve got a real shot at a championship. As we stand right now, I don’t believe we do, hence, I’m for dumping Ray to jumpstart the rebuild.
There are going to be soooo many angry "fans"
Saying trade everyone from Ray to Pierce to KG to dropping Doc. I bet my comment is even followed by one….
I'm sick and tired of this elitism put on by the optimists that say you're not a fan if you're not unthinking.
God forbid we call for changes that are, in many cases, clearly necessary. God forbid we look to the future instead of clinging to some blind belief that we can still win this year. When we traded for the Big 3, it was all about “the window”. About how we had a certain amount of time to win, and after that, it was over. What happened to all the cautionary talk about how we had to recognize when it was closed to limit our losses? Why does everyone think this window became a constant stream of contention? We won. We should be happy about that. But now we have to cut our losses. Get to work paying that mortgage.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
This team has become Brian Scalabrine......a joke
I dont even know what to say.
paul shoulda sat out today
and perk is really in a slump recently
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions
Where is the heart?
I might as well start rooting for the Thunder. At least they act like they care.
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
To think I switched from cable TV to Dishnet so I could BUY NBA League Pass so i could watch the Celtics. geeeeeshhhh.
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just watch the first half
and then switch to NCAA :-p
I've been very impressed
with the Thunder this year. Sure they don’t win every game but they put it all out on the court. I look forward to seeing them in the playoffs.
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
Ugh - I love Durant, but I hate the Thunder.
I lived in Seattle for a long time. ’Have to hate.
22 TOs, -10 in Rebounds?
30 pts total in 2nd half? This is getting really sad. I need this all-star break more than they do.
- JoeB
Need a Vaca?
This team has been on Vacation for the last 2 months, because they have not been here playing
Danny....
if you have any good trades up your sleeve will you please hurry up and pull the trigger on them.
This ship is taking on water and is sinking fast and needs some rescue boats ASAP.
It's over, Johnny
How many times does the same exact thing have to happen before people stop saying, “It’s just one game,” “It’s only December, or January or February,” “they need to get the chemistry back after all the injruies,” and on and on and on?
Thanks for your pleasant reply
I appreciate you attacking me on a regular basis. It brings joy to my heart.
Hmmm... that didn't look like an attack.
’Looked more like a question and a statement about self – not about you.
How about 3-13 from the free throw line in the second half?
Now there’s some championship contending numbers
the free throws and the turnovers
Ten points thrown away at the FT line.
Around 25-30 pts thrown away as turnovers.
All they had to do was convert / hold on to just a few of either.
lets talk about the 800 pound gorilla in the room:
KG
he’s slow, he’s tired. anyone can drive on him. he can no longer can protect the rim.
that’s the bench has been playing grea the last 2 month, wile the starters except for rondo have been sub par..
sheed has been giving the team better production. yeah i said it.
how can ray allen trade fix this?
I really don't care who they trade
I just know that this team as NO shot this year at a championship, and if Danny can get some goood players now for the rebuilding, he should pull the trigger.
ray is trying the best he can. but when KG is on the floor ….i hate to say it, hes hurting the team.
a ray allen trade will not fix this
unlesss he brings
.. a quick power fwd. Which aint likely. Iggy, martin, Ellis just means more of a log jam on the wings. But Quis needs to play.
by Tenacious D on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
please, no Ellis, no Hinrich
if we get either of those two guys for Ray, I’ll throw up.
I’m not even sure how Iggy or Martin really would help us long run. But I probably wouldn’t throw up.
Me too
Ellis is good player, we could use him…
by funkstarrdeluxe on Feb 11, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Sad
The first time as tragedy, the second through thirteenth time as tragedy.
T.Q.C again. Brick, brick, brick, ...
Can’t blame this one on Ray, guys !
They have no low post threat at all and 0 reliable outside shooting.
Zero perimeter threat when the starters were in today.
The second team (with Eddie on the floor at SG) was noticeably more effective.
Tony played great, but he’s no shooter.
I like TA as a sub for Pierce better than for Ray. There was just no spacing at all.
Agree - Ray would have been a positive factor in this game
The team wasted a good game from Sheed and an excellent one from Quis.
And I can’t see the Raptors beating the Celts until it (actually) happens…
by nba is the worst on Feb 11, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
as this teams stands....they will be lucky to win the atlantic and they will be one and done in the playoffs
they are not even an average basketball team
by celticinorlando on Feb 10, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Thinking you're jumping a little overboard?
…this team is still plenty better than the 2nd place Raptors. I wouldn’t say we’d be lucky to beat them.
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 10, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
since Christmas, the team is like .340
might as well be there with the Nets
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Stick a Fork in Them
TWENTY-TWO TURNOVERS
That’s TWENTY-TWO TURNOVERS
And it seemed like a lot more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They missed 8 of the last 9 free throws and 7 in a row!!!!!!!!!! These are free throws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We made Darren Collison look like CP3.
Is there some reason that PP tried to let a ball go out of bounds rather than picking it up?
Also his EIGHT TURNOVERS were very helpful.
Can Eddie House guard a chair? What if we put it in a corner and we give him help.
Also, would someone pls tell him he not a PG and quit trying to make slip passes. Lastly just because he get the ball off a pick really doesn’t require him to shoot it.
This team needs a heart doctor and and brain doctor. Cuz they have no heart and they are obviously have no idea what the heck they are doing.
And one more RE for the commercial
REGURGIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
collison
we aren’t the first team he has lit up. He’s for real when he gets minutes.
Some of this has to fall back on Doc. Your best player sitting the whole second quarter isn’t a recipe for success.
by reebbertxx2001 on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Quis
He was playing phenomenal and he sits out most of the the 4th quarter???? He was their best player tonight and should have played a lot more.
It's like Doc has some sort of rule
That bench players can only play a limited amount of minutes. Quisy should have played most of the second half. He, Tony Allen, Sheed and Davis were the only players who did anything tonight. Disgusting.
Walker
I would have liked to see him over Scal in there at 3.
I'd like to see Walker
In any possible trade. He’s useless to us.
Bill Walker useless?!
Are you kidding me?!
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Tai
Celtics fans greatly overrate the guy
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
because doc rivers is not smart. same reason he left house in to get torched by collison
by celticinorlando on Feb 10, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Quis
You’re right. Marquise just came back from an injury. Lets run him into the ground, too. Bound to help the team.
by thirstyboots18 on Feb 11, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
We made the necessary trades to win one flag. Thats all we did. The party’s over. Dont complain. Without those trades we would still be a very mediocre team with no falgs. Just dont think with that team we were going to win moew than one because we are not going to win anymore flags with the players we have on that team. Maybe Rondo might be around for the next one; maybe; but nobody else will be there. Mark my words. Ieven not be there to see the next one. We are back to square one with only one potential star – Rondo – And he better learn to make more foul shots. Its pathetic he doesnt care to improve in that departemnt
Pathetic performance! Pierce, garnett, even rondo need to shoot more and we need to learn how to board. Where is dennis rodman maybe he could help us board!
by Blackberry33 on Feb 10, 2010 10:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Break
I’m not thinking anymore about these guys till next week and am not going to be visiting Celtics Blog. It’s too heartbreaking to follow this team. Honestly, I can’t recall anything like this is sports history.
I agree
If we were getting out played by better teams that one thing, but this is weak, no one is trying! We play 24 minutes of basketball and then we think the game is over and one care…….there was not a single player on that team that had anything invested in the game. remember the 85 bears speach……..ya more like the 76 buccaneers. I think thats what hurts the most, the lack of investment, no one is dedicated, they dont believe in them, so how can we?
by Celticnation on Feb 11, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
They Don't Need a Vacation
They need a revolution. Thsi team is the basketball equivalent of France under Louis XVII.
Unless you honestly mean the Dauphin.
I could totally see a comparison between Doc and a ruler imprisoned by his people.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
daniels looked like the only celtic with a pulse. doc should show the video of daniels streaking around a bunch of dead bodies. pp is a jerk for not taking some time off. instead, he takes time off during the game. larry with a broken back showed more speed than pp who spent more time falling on the floor than anything else except for turning it over. and what’s perk’s excuse? he was the lead zombie out there. and if this team doesn’t wke up doc has to go because you don’t fire the whole team and they either have stopped listening to him or he is pushing the wrong buttons. sheed has many faults but he is being unduly scapegoated on this team-he’s not the cancer- it looks like father time is the killer. frankly, i’m more sick and tired of perk’s stomping around act whenever a foul is called than sheed,s bawling,tho that is no lie that sheed’s act is almost as done as this team looks. and kg is definitely showing his miles.
Sheed
He played well tonight and spent a lot more time in the post than I have seen him do in a while.
The opposing point guard had TEN turnovers tonight
And the Celtics still lost. This might be the most pathetic stat of the night after the 3-13 free throw shooting in the second half.
At what point does "it just one game" or "there's still a lot of basketball left" expire?
At what point do these cliches expire? Why don’t you guys just shut up and start winning for a change. I am sick and tired of this team coming up with the same old sad excuse for a loss. WIN OR DONT EVEN BOTHER SHOWING UP….
by eshak20534 on Feb 10, 2010 10:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Actually the Bench Played Well, With the Exception of Pathetic Eddie House
Sheed, BBD, TA played well along with Daniels. Unfortunately they were on the bench when it mattered.
The bench was the only reason the team was in the game tonight
As you said, except for Eddie. If the bench had played the same way it has played recently, this would have been a blowout loss.
and Scal sucked.....but thats nothing new
by frizzle1991 on Feb 10, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Scal was +11 in his 13 minutes of play.
Hard to see how that equates with ‘sucked’.
Scal had one good play in the game; he drew a charge at some point. As I see it he is a liability on offence. All he ever does is stand at the three and pass. He never takes a shot because he cant shoot, and he allows his defender to wander away from him because they all know he wont do anything.
by frizzle1991 on Feb 10, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
And yet, amazingly, while he was in there, just standing around
the C’s managed to outscore their opponents by 11 points.
Maybe more of the team should just ‘suck’?
No its just Quis, Glen Davis, and even Sheed had great games. I mean its not like what I wrote was false. Scal was 0-1 in the game, I just dont see what he contributes. He was entertaining to watch when we were actually winning and he didnt really have any effect the team, but now that we are looking for solutions to our problems he is just not worth keeping.
by frizzle1991 on Feb 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
You've got a bad habit
…which you need to break. Scal did close to nothing in this game. His +/- score is the case in point for why +/- in a single game is meaningless. He just happened to be out there when the rest of the team took care of business for a change. And that’s all.
Sheed had a good game, and Daniels was great. TA tried hard, and did ok, but had 2 really stupid old/bad-TA type TOs. Of course, compared to Paul… well… let’s not go there.
We have a Big 3. If one is sitting and the other 2 suck, what chance do we have of winning?
+/-
Plus minus has been a Hockey stat for years, it should remain there where it is somewhat useful.
by reebbertxx2001 on Feb 11, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Right.
In the NBA, it is possible to ‘suck’ on the floor, doing nothing. Allowing the other team to play 5 on 4, for 13 minutes, yet your team outscores them by 11 points … despite you? Who’s being naive?
I’m not claiming that Scal did anything spectacularly wonderful. I’m simply challenging the claim that he ‘sucked’. NBA basketball requires 5 people working together on the floor on both defense and offense.
Perhaps you need to consider checking your own bad habit of not really thinking things through before you type them down.
No, you implied that his +/- indicated he did more than stand around
… and that’s just not true.
Furthermore, you are now arguing with yourself, because you have agreed in the past that the +/- stat is not reliable in single games (but gets more reliable as the sample size increases).
If I used the word 'reliable' I mispoke.
A better statement would be that +/- is inconsistent from game to game.
That’s not the same as saying that a single game’s +/- doesn’t tell you something. As always, it rolls up a net result and then you have to look inside the envelope to see what was there.
Scal was in for 13 minutes which is roughly 40 possessions, largely with the same unit against a mix of NO starters and bench that did not change too much during that run. Within that situation, his team outscored the other team by 11. Apparently, though – according to you – it was all due to 4 Celtics outplaying 5 Hornets. Further, it was those 4 overcoming the ‘suck’ play of their 5th.
The arrogance on this blog is kinda amazing. Folks cast extreme declarations about the play of one player or another that are at odds with both the scoreboard and what the coaching staff seems to think again and again. They obviously know more than the coaching staff (who indeed are fallible – but have a hell of a lot more credibility than the typical poster here on this blog). And clearly, the scoreboard must be wrong.
No one would ever stop to maybe question what their oh-so-perfect eyes are telling them. That maybe they just aren’t paying as close attention to everything going on on the floor as they think. That maybe there are nuances to the game that the coaching staff sees every day that they do not.
These are the same type of fans who probably think Jacoby Ellsbury was a superior defensive center fielder last year (“But he makes exciting diving catches!!! I SAW IT!!!”) and don’t understand why he’s being shifted to left field this year in favor of a 37-year old.
Sorry but this is the NBA.....
and Scal plays for a good team like the Celtics at that. When you only get two rebounds in 13 minutes of play I think that constitutes sucking. Maybe you can get by playing like Scal at a YMCA pickup game, but in the NBA you need to contribute to get minutes. I say Scal does not deserve the time he gets on the floor. He doesnt play like a typical Big and thus cant even rebound well. I say give Bill Walker the time because he can actually do something.
by frizzle1991 on Feb 11, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
and you are oh so well informed beyond the coaching staff
who has seen well beyond the 29 minutes of play that you have this year for Walker.
Maybe if you paid attention last year, you would have noticed that in 29 games, totalling 216 minutes of play – mostly against the deepest bench dregs of the NBA, Walker still put up the WORST Net48 of any Celtic at -13.4. By far. Not remotely close. The only other guys who were even negative were Marbury (-3.2) and O’Bryant (-2.7).
Every 48 minutes of his play last year, the other team outscored us by 13.4 points!!
Maybe he’s still hasn’t shown in practice that he ‘gets it’ and knows how to play team basketball? Have you been to all the practices? Have you seen what Doc and the staff have seen?
Oh – but he has exciting dunks! I know, because I SAW IT!!! That must mean he’s a better player than Scal/Shelden/BBD!!!! ZOMG!! FIRE DOC!!!
He must have some talent and potential – the team hasn’t given up on him yet. But he’s young maybe he just isn’t ready yet. Maybe at some point he will be. Who knows? Maybe after the trade deadline he’ll be the only viable option.
I have to admit, I like the athleticism that I’ve SEEN in Walker. But I also know to admit I haven’t seen much.
Why the big emphasis on SEEN/SAW?
Is it because you prefer your metrics to what is seen and perceived?
As to Walker, I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he has a floor game at all. I’ve seen him throw down a couple of thunderous dunks, and that’s it. Then again, my sample size of his play is extraordinarily small. I trust the coaching staff on this one. They see him every day.
Anyway, my question goes back to the other day when you seemed to be placing such emphasis on metrics vs observation re: Garnett, and that it seems like you are discounting observation again (though I could be misperceiving).
I don't completely discount observation
but I think people should acknowledge that it is possible that their subjective eyes don’t always see the truth.
The numbers don’t always reveal the truth either. But sometimes they give us a clue that we need to look at something with a different perspective.
This is especially true in a sport like basketball which is so full of intangibles and things that happen away from the basketball that are so crucial to determining whether the ball goes through the hoop or not. It is quite human for most of us to follow the ball. We miss much of what goes on on the court. Even reviewing it by video, I find I have to replay a play dozens of times sometimes to see what everybody is doing.
If you’ve really followed my postings, you’ll know that I actually DO discount many of the numbers. Raw rebound totals in particular are overrated as a telling stat. Many stats are useful within particular contexts. But the one stat that is final and ultimately telling is the points on the scoreboard. That’s why I think it is hard to argue with the various efficiency stats which are all directly tied to that. Even if they don’t reveal exactly why the scoreboard was affected, they definitely will show that it was affected.
And if what you think you saw doesn’t jibe with how the scoreboard was affected, a rational person should maybe question whether they saw what they think they saw.
And as you yourself say – sometimes you might want to consider whether the coaching staff knows / sees something that you are not aware of and thus has a different perspective. That maybe they aren’t just a bunch of idiots. Maybe. ’Can’t give them a completely free pass.
I've certainly nothing against looking at things quantifiable
But as you say, basketball is a team sport, and there are intangibles involved as well.
I don’t think our coaching staff consists of a bunch of dunces. By and large, they’re pretty good, although Doc is a bit slow to substitute when a guy is being repeatedly torched (Collison’s repeated blow byes against House being the most recent example).
Trust me, if results are telling me something is different than what my two eyes tell me, then I have no problem with taking a closer examination to see if I am viewing things through a prism of my own bias. Pretty generally speaking, it’s rare that outcomes differ from what my own two eyes are telling me.
Rather like PC in a way, and in fact, there’s a certain amount of PC on sports boards regarding your team. If the vast majority think a certain thing about a player/GM/team and you deign to differ, regardless of whether your observations have merit or not, you’ll likely be derided by practically everyone.
It’s like PC in the real world is kind of like Sharia law; extra-constitutional, but violate the fashionable memes (even if they fly in the face of reality) and you can lose a lot. /soapbox
Agreed 100 percent
I saw Scal get one rebound, but it was knocked out of his hands and another Celt tracked it down. Scal had nothing to do with losing this game, but he really contributed little when he was on the court.
Wow
I have honestly never seen them this disinterested. I cant even watch. I honestly do not think we will go .500 the rest of the year. We will lose the first round in 5 games.
KG’s contract has morphed into probably one of the worst in the league. If he is still hurt, sit him until he is better. If he isnt hurt, he is old and will never be the same. Did you see him not even contest that dunk in the 4th?
RIP
I didn't think they were disinterested
Thought they worked pretty hard. They were just plain BAD, that’s all. Both teams were bad, Cs were worse. It’s starting to feel hopeless. Like the talent’s just not there for this run.
Hey -- at least they are playing more consistently
Losing both at home and on the road now
Ray Allen is not the problem
After watching this game tonight, I dont think any trade that this team makes is going to help them this year. This teams never should have a first half lead because if they do they began to relax in the second half. Until that mentality changes get ready in the next few weeks to sliding to the 5th seed in the East with those tough games coming up.
It won't make a huge difference
But Marquis Daniels needs to become a starter on this team. At least for the west coast trip, which could be one of the ugliest we have ever seen. Sadly, even Tommy sounded defeated tonight.
Absoultey
But dont be expecting it. The Good Doctor doesnt like to change his pecking order.
by Tenacious D on Feb 10, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Doc has to stick to his rotation, regardless to who is having a hot hand.
but Mother Doc can't change the rotations vinnie...
if there weren’t set rotations which never change there would be no order in life and the whole world would fall into chaos. Daniels play the 4th quarter in place of Pierce? Daniels start in place of Ray??
No no no no. Much better that we just up the starters’ minutes – like maybe 40 a game for Ray and Paul.
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 11, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
My point is that folks are comparing us to the Pistons
But the Pistons still continually won games, up until they traded Billups. They never won again, but they were still contenders. We’re not even there anymore. We’re more like the Spurs or the ’07 Heat.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let them hit the mat and lie there for a while. Maybe the will bounce back twice as strong.
by jurrasicearl on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So this clearly proves that Ray Allen is not the problem
Hopefully this will reduce the ridiculous amount of , Ray Allen trade proposal, and why Ray is no longer good threads……………..by at least half.
No. But.
…Ray + Paul+ KG is an impossibly hobbled line-up. They should never be out there at once. And Ray is the moveable peice. But at this point, KG is at this point is an albatros.
by Tenacious D on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
And what has become of Perk?
I always have felt that Perk is overrated by many, but his play of late has been atrocious. He is worse than a black hole and he just seems unhappy out there. Many of said this, but it really looks like the love is lost on this team.
He played really good, hard-nosed defense tonight in my opinion.
He was never supposed to be a huge offensive contributor. Work with Clifford Ray made him better, but they’re treating him like a #1 option, and that’s stupid.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
How do you play hard nosed defense and yet commit not ONE personal foul?
I know I have called for him to reduce his high foul total – but mostly I want him to reduce his offensive fouls (moving screens).
If you don’t get called at least ONCE for blocking / hacking on defense, how could you be playing physical defense in the post?
I don’t think Perk played that great of a game either.
Doc coached stupid ball tonight
It is so clear that Pierce and Garnett are hurting. And MQD was lights out, only to be taken out so that he could finish with starters? Boneheaded bigtime.
Calm down. This is just one regular season game in February ....
Don’t use this pathetic excuse anymore. Real good teams, true contenders and the elites don’t lose games like this with regularity. TOs, missed FT and bricks killed the team.
can't wait to hear danny and doc say how much they still like this team. ray allen might not be the problem
but he has the biggest chip to cash in contract wise
by celticinorlando on Feb 10, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
LETS KEEP HOPE ALIVE GANG....
As bleak as things look now,
I am not giving up on this team yet, until I see what Danny does at the trade deadline and via buyout signings.
Keep in mind if Pierce gets healthy and Garnett (gets even 80%) which is possible and Danny makes a couple of nice additions to the roster we can be back in the hunt again.
All eyes are on Danny…his moves or lack of moves in the upcoming days and weeks will determine the outcome of the season.
Lets wait and see what happens.
Did you watch Garnett tonight?
He looked like an 80-year old man and it was definitely his worst performance since he came back. As for Pierce, with all of the injuries he has had this year, what makes you think he will get helathy? This team is done and it is time to start rebuilding. I am pleased we got a championship, but I don’t want to sit around and watch them rebuild again for another 10 years. Right now, Kevin Garnett is a problem on this team, not a solution.
Nobody can say that Pierce and KG will never be healthy again.
Or time can answer that question.
Like I said we will have to wait for the answer.
Wait until when?
Wait and lose any chance to get any value for Ray’s expiring contract.
How many times do we have to see veterans get injured this year and not be able to play well when they return? This is exactly what happened to the original big three.
They have been playing poorly since Christmas Day. 6 week. A 9-13 record. 10 blown double-digit leads that turned into losses since Christmas day. Reality stinks, but at some time we all need to face it.
Who said do not trade Ray
Read my post above.
I say the season depends on Ainge making a move at the trade deadline.
For the record I am for trading Ray.
Yup
IF KG can play like he did in the first couple of months of the season and Pierce heals we would still be okay (not championship okay though). But the way KG is right now I honestly can’t see that happening.
Only thing I’m hoping for this season now is that Danny hits a home run by trading Ray. Then we MIGHT have a shot next season if a long term layoff can help KG recover some strength in his legs.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
59 percent from the free throw line, 13 percent from behind the arc
22 turnovers, including 8 for the Captain. Outrebounded 47-37. This team does not even try to get offensive rebounds. It is all going down hill and I fear it is going to get worse. But Danny and Doc really like this team — at least on paper.
It's amazing Cs didn't lose by 30 with those numbers
Reason: The Hornets were really, really terrible too. We just outsucked them.
Only four games behind
Maybe they will keep Bosh and make a run for the Atlantic Division title. At this point I would give them a decent chance to make it.
celtics were 8th in power rankings before tonights loss... losing to the hornets without half their team.. named - chris paul....
we need to shake up this team….
Trade Ray or Pierce
by celticspride4ever on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions
It's still february is honestly a terrible repute to the trade suggestions
The trade deadline is this month! We can’t wait till march or april. because by then, we cant trade.
by beantownboy171 on Feb 10, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions
Maybe Ainge Should Stand Pat
As I look at the standings, the Celtics are only 7 1/2 games out of the lottery. If they keep playing this way they have a good chance of getting there, and who knows? Maybe the ping pong balls will be kind and we’ll get a shot at John Wall.
if we stand pat we lose Ray with no compensation
by celticspride4ever on Feb 10, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
But Think of All the Money The Owners Will Save
Besides, with Pierce and Garnett playing the way they are, there is no hope. So maybe you just shut all three of them down for the rest of the year, and go for the lottery. That’s what the Spurs did with David Robinson.
Good idea...but, we all know what happens to the Celts are in the lottery
1} Some guy walks out carrying an over-sized envelope
2} The envelope is opened
3} We {Celtic fans} scream obscenities long into the night
Stand Pat???
How about Danny go AFTER Pat………….Pat Summit!
She might be able to light a fire under these guys.
And…
Making Pat Summit the new Coach, might encourage Candace Parker to join her husband and become a celtic.
She could be our backup pg, she has better handles than Eddie, more hops than Baby.
Fire Doc
Sign Pat Summit
Sign Candace Parker
Pathetic
Hornets were very pathetic. Celts were even more pathetic. Everybody except Quis sucked. I feel sorry for Daniels… he took a pay cut to play for a great contending team, and now he’s the only decent player on it.
Truly, at times it felt like I was watching girls rec league.
At least Quis will get paid big next year...
…when he gets picked up by the Cavs!
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
i don't feel too bad
he missed many days of work and still got paid
we are also "showcasing people tonight...so something big is happening...
Ray sits for the first time all season
Bench basically plays half the game…
something BIG is happening
by celticspride4ever on Feb 10, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Maybe the players ..
also sensed something is happening. Their mind wasn’t really in the game.
by getthat18now on Feb 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
More likely, though, they just did their usual thing.
This is pretty par-for-the-course as far as the Celtics are concerned since Christmas.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Bad Night
More of the same…this team plays 3 on 5 on offense because Perk is a zero on offense and Rondo is a facilitator not a scorer. On defense they are old and lame. Ainge needs to find a four that can play starter minutes and put Garnett at the five. If he can hold his own with the banging maybe he can make it work without having to cover as much court. We need to improve on the interior. I get so tired of hearing how “underrated” Perk is. Assuming Pierce won’t / can’t be moved I would try to move Ray and Perk.
Need to play bench from now on
If Doc had played only the bench tonight we would have won. Our starters were just awful. Sit em all and let’s play BBD, Tony, Sheed, Quis and Ray when he comes back. Everyone else can just sit the rest of the season. What’s wrong with our team this year? It’s the starters.
come on Rondo has been our best player all season - barring tonight, when Doc was showcasing the second string for trade..
by celticspride4ever on Feb 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
why does everyone keep saying the word "showcase"
as if teams don’t already have video on every player on every team? If some team is going to trade for Eddie House and Davis, do you think they’re going to be swayed by 15 minutes of PT the day before?
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 11, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
or like Danny is calling down to Doc:
“Hi there Doc – we need to trade some of this garbage off the team, so let’s put em out there for a while tonight and really show the rest of the league what they can do…”
Is this the conversation people imagine when they talk about showcasing?
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 11, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
That sleep doctor thing is really working out this year
The C’s might be playing horrible basketball, but at least they are sleeping late and looking marvelous.
Quite a bit. He's not really a good coach.
But that’s not the whole problem at all.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Doc is lost and confused
Like the rest of the team. Hard to see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Maybe… maybe if KG and Paul both heal, they can get together and work out a plan for pulling the team together somehow. <<== Wow, it’s come to this… grasping at this pathetic, hopeless straw.
Doc is a good coach when the team is winning, put it that way...
but he has shown no ability to control the team, to make intelligent rotations, to make necessary adjustments, or to find an effective strategy and stick to it.
I think he draws up damn nice plays out of timeouts, and I think the players respect him on the whole. And he communicates very well, which is nice. Too bad he is the last one to recognize when a certain player needs to play or sit
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 11, 2010 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
where to start?
are we a lottery team? has it come to that. at least the bench came to play tonight. too bad pierce ,kg,perk,and rondo didn’t. most of us probably saw this coming as soon as we got the lead in the 2nd. for the life of me I can’t figure out why doc left eddie in the game when collison was killing him. also why pulll daniels when he was playing well? i really think we need another point guard. rondo was horrible tonight and there have been a lot of games this year where he hasn’t showed up. trade scal and eddie if you have to and get a guard. there’s not much else danny can do other than hope that kg, ray and pierce get healthy and start playing better. there’s too much to fix with one trade
where has perk been the last 5 weeks?
sure,pierce stunk and kg looked hurt but what about Perk? he’s done nothing for about a month now
They should change their name to the Lethargics
I think that we are the least athletic team in the NBA
Pierce is slow – Crafty, but slow
Garnett is slow and peg legged.
Perkins is slow
Sheed is out of shape, slow and old.
Davis is obese and slow.
Scal is out of shape and slow.
I think other teams have worked out that all you have to do is get this team tired by getting these slow and fat guys to run and they have nothing left to close out the game.
But seriously, I have never seen another team that has 3 fat guys (Scal, Sheed, Davis) who play regular minutes.
by Scal4theallstargame on Feb 10, 2010 11:26 PM EST reply actions
Davis is in pretty good shape right now, quite frankly.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's in good shape for Davis
But he’s a far cry from the likes of Sheldon Williams or Tyrus Thomas. He still has man boobs.
by Scal4theallstargame on Feb 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
That's exactly it, whether its age or athletism
We play are for half a game, but don’t have the energy to close it out. As long as the opposing team runs a little bit in the first half, they can score at will in the second. No one, save Rondo, is going to put a fight.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 10, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thats it
4 out of the last 5 losses have come with us playing like the 08 Celtics (if not better) for a half or 3 quarters then blowing it. Playing worse than the Nets for a quarter or 2 and stuffing it up. This team has lost its focus or legs or both. I think its more focus and that’s sad to say for a team with as many vets as we have on it. Hopefully they can learn how to focus come playoff time otherwise they can look forward to a 1st
by Scal4theallstargame on Feb 10, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry
There must be a string of games coming up against bad teams against whom the Celts can run of 5-6 in a row, winning each game by 4-6 points wiath half-hearted efforts. That will boost all of our spirits.
ummm...
we are one of those “bad teams” right now,that teams are looking at and saying "we can get a win there, because they only play with ‘HALF-HEARTED EFFORT’)
3-13 foul shooting. Doesnt that tell you something is terribly wrong in the intensity of that team? Little by little injuries have crippled our team and loses breed letdowns and forget about whatever they called ubuntu. Injuries will continue to appear when you are not playing as you should. Lack of interest makes you lazy and thats how you injure yourself.Its bad and I dont see a leader showing up and carry the banner. Doc is a disaster but thats what he has always been. We won a flag in spite of him. We saved hi day – but we dont have the horses now to keep taking him out of the fire. We need a Bill Fitch like coach until we get a nice bunch of professionals back earning their pay. This group is done; I thought it would take us another year to lose it; guess the injuries got here faster that we thought. I wont blame anyone individual for our demise. Teams win flags-teams lose it. We just ran out of time. We have to start all over again for the next one; but it will not be this year. Trust me and trust your gut instinct. Our dream team, the Best Three in the NBA- the best starting 5 in the NBA; are no more. We have to start again.
Well...
as far as I’m concerned, Ray has already been traded and it will be announced tomorrow.
I get more frustrated reading some of these comments...
…then I do watching the games. Yeah, we’re in a bad slump right now. No one is motivated.
How can people say Doc isn’t smart and is a horrible coach….did he win a championship all by luck? Did he not take a winded, injury-riddled team to the 2nd round last year…and nearly to the 3rd?
Relax people. People are calling this team the crappiest in basketball…saying we’re not even average? We were 23-5 two months ago…our team didn’t rapidly age and lose all its talent in 2 months. We need a break, and a kick in the ass…some motivation.
I’m not calling out everyone…of course there is reason to concern…but wow, there sure are a lot of fairweather fans out there.
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 10, 2010 11:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
23-5 at one point and 9-13 since that point
I think there is more than a little reason to be concerned. Danny needs to make a big trade, one that will help being the rebuilding process now. It likely won’t help for this year, but hopefully set him up to make some moves in the offseason for the future.
Rec'd.... People are acting like we're a lottery team.
With that said, I wouldn’t mind some type of trade. I think at this point, a shake of some type is needed.
Btw, I’ve resisted giving into the trade talk more than anyone but the game vs the Magic was a tad sobering.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Hey, I love Doc, but where is that kick and motivation you talk about supposed to come from? I think that’s the coach’s job. If I heard his post-game comments right tonight, he was asked what he said to the team afterwards, and his answer was “nothing.”
As I said in another thread,
Everyone unloads on Doc. But at some point, the players themselves have to step up.
What I saw in the Orlando was a coach who was NOT happy with the way his guys were playing. According to the broadcasters, Doc laid into them a bit too. A coach can do all the talking and all the fire-lighting he wants to, but at what point do the players become accountable? When are they supposed to decide to take the words to heart and play hard?
I don’t doubt that Doc says the same things to the players that he does to the media – but the players are seriously lacking passion right now. No intensity, no sense of urgency. They get a lead and expect teams to roll over, but no one is fearing us anymore and are pushing back now.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
You know, I just didn't see it that way
I saw them TRYING to get something done. I saw DESPERATION and CONFUSION… not complacency and laziness. And that’s much worse, of course. They appear now to actually lack the talent to improve.
…and there is more than one coach. Where is there blame? I don’t see the torches and pitchforks on their front doors.
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 11, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Not too down on Doc, but...
I thought Doc was getting “tough” tonight. Seemed like he had the perfect opportunity considering Pierce was stinking it up and Daniels was pretty much the only guy playing well in the second half. And he didn’t even have to be that “tough” because Pierce was obviously injured which Doc acknowledged postgame.
The thing is there is only so much Doc and the coaches can do. The players aren’t good enough right now, and the odds of improvement aren’t good. I’m expecting at least one trade before the deadline.
Maybe a stretch but did some of you get the feeling that
maybe the players got word that Ray Allen was traded and they were all kinda bummed out about losing a great team mate and thus gave heart less performance.
It kinda looked liked it to me .
But how do you explain the first half when they played well and were up 12?
You could be right in that they were notified at half time, but they have been playing this way in the second half in a large number of games since Christmas.
Interesting theory
I gues we’ll know soon enough – Isn’t the trade deadline next week?
by nba is the worst on Feb 11, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I love how the scoreboard above this post is stuck in the 2nd qtr. Too bad games couldn’t just end at half. Well, actually, for the C’s they do. For the opponent they don’t. I told myself after Sun. that I had lowered my expectations and wouldn’t be as bothered by these losses, but I still am and can’t sleep. I too feel that they could’ve been in a funk over a Ray trade. Even though they’ve been playing this way a lot lately, they seemed exceptionally out of it and unfocused tonight.
need a trade
As a Laker fan it makes me sad to see the celtics doing so bad, I really wanted a matchup in the NBA finals. I would really consider trading Paul Pierce for Staudamier or another big. Paul wont be the same even if he so called gets healthy, look at KG and his Knees they are still giving him problems. If I was Danny Ainge I would cosider to star rebuilding around rondo.
I appreciate the fact that you're not taking the opportunity to troll.
Some Laker fans are stand up guys, lol.
Pierce will retire a Celtic though – seems like a foregone conclusion… but a trade is needed at this point – don’t need to “blow it up” completely, but some fresh blood in that locker room could be nice.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
laker fan
I’am a Laker fan, but a Basketball fan too and I would really apreciate another laker / Celtic finals. with both teams at full strenght. I still beliave the celtics could beat the cavaliers and their queen. If the Celtics get some fresh legs, I really think a trade for one of the big three is needed to get something. I hate to say it but Garnett is the one that they could get a big name back for, maybe amare , since the suns really want to get rid of him.
Why Are They Going to The All-Star Game?
Pierce and Garnett scored 2 measly pts in the 2nd half! How pathetic! If they are still recovering from injuries, then sit out the games until you’re close to 100%. How much worse can the Celtics do?
Also, tonight, Pierce had 8 inexcusable turnovers that seemed to turn to easy buckets for the Hornets. Rajon’s defence and overall play was also inexcusable. The two of them seemed to have their minds on the all-star game instead of tonight’s game. I have been the strongest Celtics booster and fan since 1976. Tonight, however, I feel as low as I have ever felt. I have completely lost faith in this team. Garnett is not 30% of what he was 2 years ago. Pierce is constantly turning the ball over and can no longer be counted as a go-to player in the 4th as he has been awful over the last month and a half it seems at crunch time. Perkins also has been pretty bad of late, turning the ball over all so often. Even Doc seems to be at a loss with his irrational substitutions.
I am ready to start blowing this team up year after year for the next 3 years by first trading Ray Allen in the next week and then Pierce next year, followed by Garnett the following year. Whether we have a great record or not.
This is bad, real bad!!!
PULL IT TOGETHER
The Celtics are spiraling downwards. Maybe a trade is needed but there seem to be no cohesion. Maybe Rondo was right? Too many personal agendas….
PURPLE AND GOLD RULE!
In case your wondering where my loyalties lie.. :)
Wanna know when we stop saying "it's just one game" and "wait for the playoffs"?
Today was the day. Today, hopelessness replaced optimism. Because you can’t even say it’s about “heart” and “energy” or “focus” and “motivation” anymore. None of those was a problem. It was, very simply, that this group could not play a decent game of basketball. They looked DESPERATE out there… desperate to score a basket. Desperate for a solution. Desperate, confused and lost. Today is the day.
And Doc? He’s more confused and lost than any of them.
Ray better not be gone but it sure feels like it
by Blackberry33 on Feb 11, 2010 12:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Loss Differential - 8 points.
RAY woulda gotten those 8 points.
RAY is like invisible glue. You don’t see everything he does but he holds a team together on the court.
8 points.
RAY DID NOT PLAY.
THINK ABOUT THAT
KEEP RAY trade someone ELSE.
I totally agree with you, but I really don’t think Ray’s level of play would have anything to do with a trade. It would be more about the contract situation.
it’s not about contract. Ray already agreed to stay a C and make less money.
you won’t miss him until you see more games like this and a first-round playoff
dissapearing act.
They think Pierce and Garnett are more valuable chips.
I’m really wondering if they are.
If you take away the yesterdays, Pierce and Garnett look like poor athletes out there.
I know the C’s are a defensive team but think about how few games they ever even get CLOSE to 100 points. They don’t have the athleticism anymore.
Cleveland would blow out the Celtics so bad it would be embarrasing.
Yeah it is about contract
Not because Ray wants too much money to stay a Celtic, but because his contract is the most valuable trading chip we have. As has been said time and again, we have to trade Ray to get some significant help for this team. We are capped out, regardless of what Ray signs for next year, so there will be no major FA signings.
I recognise all the good things Ray brings to the Celtics and would love him to retire here. But I love the Celtics future more and right now the best thing we can do for that future is to get some younger guys with ability.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 11, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
ray is shooting 34 percent
just a fact
by lakersbluedevil on Feb 11, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
Ray wouldn't have made a difference...
…he didn’t in the OTHER nine games we blew double digit leads.
Focus is a problem with this team, but even focused, they’re no longer good enough to go deep in the playoffs. KG and PP are not the players they were. And to think they’ll be healthier 30 games down the road seems utterly illogical to me.
by TremendousUpsidePotential on Feb 11, 2010 1:37 AM EST reply actions
we agree on PP and KG
the Celtics are virtually at a point where their top studs are guys no serious team would want if they are planning for the future.
Thanks PP for all you did the bad years you carried this team.
I dare anyone to watch a C’s game from years ago and compare the PP of old to this current PP. He’s a shadow of himself (except for the set-up shot).
KG is even worse. He looks like he’s ready to retire.
Reposting this from earlier cuz it made me laugh
They should change their name to the Lethargics
I think that we are the least athletic team in the NBA
Pierce is slow – Crafty, but slow
Garnett is slow and peg legged.
Perkins is slow
Sheed is out of shape, slow and old.
Davis is obese and slow.
Scal is out of shape and slow.
I think other teams have worked out that all you have to do is get this team tired by getting these slow and fat guys to run and they have nothing left to close out the game.
But seriously, I have never seen another team that has 3 fat guys (Scal, Sheed, Davis) who play regular minutes.
by Scal4theallstargame on Feb 10, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions
Michael Sweetney was a Celtics prospect
Earlier this year.
I got a kick out him in the preseason.
If you want to see FAT
THAT’s FAT.
davis is in good shape u idiot wallace is slowly getting there.i realy think we should start sheed instead of KG he looks so uncomfortable on a floor.that change would motivate both sheed and KG to put more effort .plus wallace plays better when he starts .like he did 4 all of hes career .wallace is older but better defender and post treat.same thing with pierce let him rest more and daniels play a lot more.
Forget this year
It’s over. Undoubtedly any moves Ainge may make will be focused on next year and the future.
by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 11, 2010 4:52 AM EST reply actions
But maybe Danny will do tha same as in the Off-Season 2008… just do nothing and hope it al changes for the better. So in 7 days we will be able to say with certainty if this team is going somewhere this year and beyond.
by P2 on Feb 11, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
the future???
Enjoying this? This should be what the next two years are going to look like unless personnel is seriously changed. But who do you bring in? People say Iggy & Daly but last time I looked Philly’s record isn’t so hot. David Lee? Jason Thompson? Spencer Hawes? Al Jefferson? Kevin Love? Ainge was secretly quoted saying he “didn’t want to go back to the abyss”. This will probably get very interesting for the rumor mongers but when the dust settles will we like what we see?
Future is now
..with the expiring CBA and the prospect of a labor dispute looming in 2011, this really was the year. I mean, we dont know, but that elephant is in the room.
And you are complaining?
Man…i live in Brazil. When this crappy game was over my clock were showing…1h40 a.m…..seriously…this give another level of fury and anger for the whole thing. My take: keep Rondo and Quis and explode the whole building. Making certain that Doc AND Danny are inside.
by Brazilian Celtic on Feb 11, 2010 8:08 AM EST reply actions
tim grover
why don’t the c’s get the guy who trained dwade after his surgery to help kg get back in shape because our trainers are horrible no one stays healthy one this team
Ubuntu? Baloney!
If ubuntu really existed, Pierce and Garnett would skip the all-star game, like NFL players do the bowl game, and concentrate on getting healthy.
by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 11, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions
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