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Danny Ainge: ‘There’s nothing close’ - BostonHerald.com
"There will be a lot of talking, and I think things will get even more serious next week when teams get back from All-Star Weekend," Ainge said.
Ainge would very much like to get something done by next Thursday's NBA trade deadline, but he said yesterday, "There's nothing close right now."
Ainge has said he will do nothing that hinders the Celtics' chances of winning this season, and he added yesterday he will not overreact to recent losses.
According to general managers from two other clubs, Ainge may still believe the C's can win a championship with what they have, but he is clearly more open to discussing trades that could significantly alter the team.
"He wanted to do something that would shake things up a little, but I think now he's looking at something bigger if it works for him," one GM said.
If the Celts are to pull off a larger move, it would almost certainly have to include Ray Allen's expiring contract and force them to take back salary and contract lengths that could hinder the team's flexibility down the line.
"That's why it's very important that, if they do make a move like this, they have to hit on it," said a league source. "Anything more than a minor move is going to affect them for a while. He has to get guys he can live with beyond this year - or guys he thinks he can move down the line. It's going to be tough. That's why I think they could end up staying pretty much intact. They might not, but it's kind of a tightrope they're on."
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Shake it up
Danny shake up the old men. I’m sorry but the team is playing old. Do what it takes to bring Banner 18!
If we don`t do anything...
…we are stuck with this team until 2012. After the deadline we have no flexibility anymore.
I hope something big happens because I don`t want to see 2 years of mediocrity…
good post. this team as it is constructed will be good enough to make the playoffs
but never will contend. if the big 3 look old now…wait until next season. it will be painful to watch them. the best thing they can do is trade ray for jamison and miller. but they have to get younger if they deal ray.
by celticinorlando on Feb 13, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Danny you liar ;-) We all know you’re a trade whore!!!! Talking to anyone and everyone, playing those jedi mind tricks you’re known for.
Do your thing, shake it up, take a chance. You can stay in denial, but don’t think we have much to lose right now. As a tribute to the Great (notso) Rick Pitino, “KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce are not walking through that door (the 2000 healthy versions I mean)”.
Cost of Standing Pat
So let’s say the Celtics stand pat and make the expected 2nd round exit from the playoffs. Then what? Let’s fast forward to June.
The haven’t got the cap space to sign anyone really good. Do they try to lowball Ray Allen and squeeze another two years out of him? What do they do with their MLE?
If they extend Ray. that gives them the same aging team that couldn’t win this year. Actually it’s worse than that, because they will have only 6 players under contract. Scalabrine, House, Walker, Giddens, Tony Allen, Daniels and Williams are all free agents. Where are they going to find 6 replacements? Do they expect to build a championship bench from the NBA’s bargain bin? They’ll be drafting in the mid 20’s so I wouldn’t expect too much help there.
So what happens at the trading deadline next year? Do they trade Pierce? Or do they wait until June of 2011 and try to lowball him just as they did Ray Allen? Where does that leave the team? What about Perkins and BBD, who will be in the final years of their deals?
They’ve got to get younger and they’ve got to do it now. If the owners don’t want to spend, then they will have to deal with the inevitable empty seats, lagging season ticket sales reduced advertising revenues and reduced playoff revenues.
They have to look into moving Pierce and Garnett also. No team can win when 75% of the cap is spent on two aging, gimpy players.
Heh
Clearly getting this deal that will help the Celtics short + long term (or even just long term period) will be easier said than done. I would’ve been fine with Caron Butler and Antwan Jamison. I guess that’d be what you’d call a “Godfather” trade? Still, clearly that wasn’t meant to be. : \
It’s clear that Danny’s trying, so if we can’t find anything worthwhile, will you still say Danny’s a wimp? I think it’s obvious Danny knows the implications of not trading Ray. And, I think he also knows that he won’t get anything done until after All-Star weekend. : )
Everything you wrote makes sense....
But, when you suggested that the current 2010 Celtics have what it takes to actually reach the 2nd round of the playoffs…that`s where you lost me!
i think we all believe this team will not win the east this year....so it is time to
build for the future. next season will be very uneasy b/c i really dont ever want to see house, walker, williams giddens, scal or tony take the floor as a C next season. Those guys have proven not to add anything to this bench. they will not win a title with those guys on the bench. I would keep danilels and i would trade baby davis NOW. get something for him.
as for the starters….everyone should be available but perk and rondo. Ray…i love him but we have got get younger with his expiring contract. PP looks worse to me than KG. he looks slow, hurt and old. KG will never be close to himself ever again. He is not right…he labors up and down the court and he is pretty much on empty.
If we keep this team for the next 2 years, they will be the pistons of last year very quickly.
by celticinorlando on Feb 13, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions
on paper
they look good as constituted – but they play on wood -
your move ainge -
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
what worries me
is that Ainge often talks about “shooting” as the key
and I worry he will be looking for another shooter
I think what the team needs most is rebounding energy
we miss Leon Powe
Ainge needs to proceed with caution
The C’s need to no doubt make some moves if they want to contend for a title this year.
The Butler & Jamison deal was nice win-win deal I think because it not only helped short term but also helped for the future since the contracts were not long term and would come off the books with Kg and Sheed in a couple of years which would allow the C’s a smooth transition to start rebuilding again at that time.
The last thing we need is for Ainge to trade for players that help our team now , but become aging players with long term and hard to trade contracts down the line, which would leave our hands tied with no flexibility to rebuild.
Ainge must do a fine balancing act and find a trade deal that not only helps us win this year and in the next 2 but also gives us flexibility in the future to quickly rebuild.
It will not be easy to do, but can be done as the Butler- Jamison trade proved.
We will be fine even without a trade.
A bench upgrade would be really good for us (our expirings for a good wing or guard, perfect trade), but with our current roster, if we stay healthy, I really like our chances to win the title this year.
There Probably Is No Such Trade
And if there is, ownership will have to pony up. Let’s start with Ray for Iguodala and Louis Williams. I think Philly might do that, although they’d prefer to unload Dalembert before Williams.
But I do not see Wyc willing to spend the money, particularly the price tag for Williams, who would be a bench player in Boston.
Philly's Strategy
Stefanski is cleaning house. Brand is untradeable, so he’s trying to get rid of Iguodala, Dalembert and Williams. Ed Snider does like the idea of a lottery team with a 65 million dollar payroll, which is what the Sixers will be next year if they do nothing.
If Stefanski doesn’t clean house, he could be looking for a job. In fact, I would be surprised if he and Eddie Jordan make it to the end of this season. They could be gone this weekend.
Well...
…you know how these GM`s are. They are worried if they make an unsuccessful trade they will lose their jobs. If you play it safe and do nothing you will last a lot longer. Sadly that is mentality of most GM`s that is why some teams are stuck in mediocrity for years…
One thing's for sure
Any thoughts of getting three strong years — and more than one title — out of the Big Three are virtually a pipe dream. Much of our decision-making should stem from this cold reality.
Very true.
For a brief while yesterday I thought that maybe, just maybe, a major shakeup like the Ray and change for Caron and Jamison would give us one last shot with this group. Silly to get your hopes up based upon rumors (even if those talks really did happen). With Dallas getting the two most desirable players off of Washington (since Haywood is only 30), I’m back to that cold reality you speak of.
Whatever Danny does, I hope it’s with an eye toward rebuilding to 18. Jamison by himself seems a stupid Rodney Rodgersesque move. Get young talent, Danny.
just a question
I’m just as tired of all the scenerio’s and rumors as anybody because at the end of the day I yave no control over it and I will still be a celtic fan if we do and if we don’t I have my opinions but some are based off emotion and some are fact to the best of my knowledge ,I would like to know from some of my other faithful C fans something I wonder about all the time who is or was a couple of your favorite PG’s to ever wear celtic green end white because up until now my two or three favorite pg’s might have ya’ll callin me crazy but whatever I just really appreciated their games #1 JOHN BAGLEY played with the old big three at the end I believe he came up from the cba he was nice he could really ball #2 KENNY ANDERSON never understood why we let him go he damn near had an all star year for us ate allen iverson up in the playoffs then we just let him go #3 SHERMAN DOUGLAS don’t ask just loved him he was known for ally oops and when he played with us had no one to throw one to lol but I really liked him .I know kinda crazy no cousy no dj no tiny but these guys just really caught me
by reggie_35 on Feb 13, 2010 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope you are all eating crow
in June! And I hope I have a big grin on my face because I have not written this team off yet. Unfortunately, only time will tell…..
by thirstyboots18 on Feb 13, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions
My favorite point guards
Bob Cousy and Dennis Johnson from the past….Rajon is rapidly becoming one of my all time favorites (although time is the true test, so give him a couple more years). I like your choice of Bagley, too. While I don’t consider him in my top three, he played hard, pushed the ball and was fun to watch.
by thirstyboots18 on Feb 13, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions
just wants to say....
after we go 4 and 0 on the roadtrip after the allstar break all of y’all and evry reporter will no longer call them old and done. we are contenders still. WINNING HEALS ALL WOUNDS
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 13, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think there are two chances they they go 4-0 on the west coast trip
Slim and none, and unfortunately, Slim just left town.
My favorite point guards
Cousy was a little bit before my time so I’ll go with " Tiny " Nate Archibald .
Jo Jo and DJ got the job done too .
Rondo has potential though .
I really liked Tiny though .
My favorite point guards
LOL , do you think I said though enough times ?
Stand Pat, Danny
Not because that’s a great option. It’s just the best option. It’s a joke that Wash would swap Butler/Jamison for Ray or Philly Iggy/Williams for Ray or Monta Elllis for Ray. It is not abut acquiring expiring contracts. It’s about acquiring good players. If you have them why would you swap them for the Celtics old piece of meat.
Stand Pat Danny. Let the chips start falling after we win the Championsjhip or lose in playoffs. Until then play the cards you dealt yourself
Psychologically...It`s very tough to "let go"
I know…it seems like the Big 3 was assembled just a few months ago, after the team had wandered aimlessly for 20 years.
To blow it up so soon is very painful…because after winning it all in year 1, we had legitimate reason to believe that the window of being a serious contender would stay open for a good while.
But, if the goal is to win the next title…realism must prevail.
KG`s knee is not going to get any better…Ray is not going to discover the fountain of youth…Sheed is not going to find motivation…Paul`s legs will not become any more athletic.
Danny must make moves to get us younger… and the only way to do so is cut ties with some “sentimental favorites”. Otherwise, we are looking the worst of all possible worlds…a team that is old, injury prone, and expensive!
Remember…we will always have 2008.
Stay loyal to Pierce
The one player, above all, Ainge should remain loyal to and let retire in Green is Pierce.
by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 13, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Paul deserves the option...
If PP wants to retire as a Celtic, fine.
If PP wants to be dealt to a serious WC contender, in a move that also benefits Boston, fine.
Pierce
After falling in love with, and out of love with, and BACK in with Pierce, I’d truly hate to see him go. I’m sure it’s a realistic possibility. I’d just love to see him go wire-to-wire as a Celtic after all he/we’ve been through together. Dare to dream.
Pierce is going nowhere
I don’t understand the amnesia among people who comment on this blog. Pierce was playing the best I’ve seen him for the first 2 months of the season. He was efficient, let the game come to him, created offense when we needed it, etc., and suddenly I am supposed to believe that he is washed up?
Clearly he is being bothered by some kind of injury, and (unlike KG) I don’t think Paul is “showing his age.” Remember all the dunking PP was doing the first 20 games or so? You don’t see that from a guy who just doesn’t have it anymore. Pierce has it. Just wait. Trade our captain? Are you kidding?
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