Danny Coming Up Empty So Far

Ray does an admirable job on Kobe, but he just can’t stay with him. And somehow Petrius always seems to torch the Cs. Butler would have been nice to slot at SG for his size and defense. So maybe Magette?

But I also keep thinking that Troy Murphy would be a great PF. Basically he’d be what we were hoping Rasheed would be. Not the backup PG we need either, but someone who could fill in for KG. I love Big Baby, but he’s still undersized. I hate it when he’s our best go-to option in the post.

KMart is the only young player that fits this team’s starting lineup imo. Plus they actually have decent smaller pieces the Cs should be interested in like Jason Thompson, Beno Udrih, and Nocioni. But Sac doesn’t have much incentive to trade anyone right now, so looks like we’re standing pat.

  A midsize deal in which Haywood could have been a part of may have stabilized our interior defense, rebounding and toughness. In the long run, Haywood may be the most significant player in the Dallas deal.

No Nickname – I like your thoughts on Murphy and Maggette. I don’t think Indiana gives up Murphy without some talent in return. Maggette may be able to be had for expiring contracts.

“Blockbuster” as opposed to “mid-level”.

I mean, does blockbuster include JUST Ray Allen as far as significant players on our team? Or does it include Ray and Perk, for example?

“In June, I’m gonna be bringing home the gold”…right after winning the 3-point trophy. Maybe Danny and Wyc heard him and decided heck, he’s getting it for us anyway, why waste the money?

Otherwise…even a 50 win season is out of the question!

Next year our old players will be a year older and even less attractive trade wise. Ive saw this movie back in the 80’s. – same them- different actors – same ending.

same" theme". sorry

I think we are wasting out time, focusing so much on a deal with Ray….yes his expiring requires that we look into it, but I think there is too much focus on that.

I think Danny should take care of THIS teams weaknesses first. because he says he is obligated to focus on this year, and getting 18, rather than focusing on wanting to be relevant in 2 years or so.

Which to me that means our first priority should be to get a backup point guard
Which to me means a priority should be to go out and get an young athletic big-man
Which means to me a priority should be to go out and possible add another wing.

After Danny has done all he can to ensure this current team, has all the pieces necessary, to compete for 18 in June……….then he can look at what to do for the future.

This is why i wish Danny would have already brought in a backup point, and an athletic big earlier in the season, because now he has backed himself in a corner, with less than 5 days to decide whether to trade Ray with the future in mind, or trade guys like Scal, TA, etc. to take care of the weak spots currently on THIS roster, and compete for 18 this June.

I say lets cover our weak spots, and worry about 18.

What if we took on Elton Brand, Andrea Iguodalas contracts and Mareese Speights, Jrue Holiday, Jason Smith for Ray Allen, Baby, Tony, Scal and JR Giddens. The 76’s would clear cap space and we would have some young players to develop and trade off in future deals. We of course would do this deal because the 76’s (wink, wink) would buy Ray out and the core of our team would still be in place.

FYI – Brand is three years younger than Jamison.

What’s in this for Philly? Nothing but cap relief.

 Remember, the subject was crazy talk.

I feel the bench needs tweaking with a player like 6’9"swingman Travis Outlaw,who will be back mid-March from a foot injury,and maybe Augustine from the Bobcats to give Rondo some relief …so a midsize tweak would certainly help this bench where i feel is in need of athleticism plus scoring,rebounding and leadership by a true pt ga.

Are we being asked to believe that the Celtics could not have offered a better package for Amare than Ilgauskas’ expiring deal and JJ Hickson? I don’t believe that for a second.

If Danny already stated that he is not going to make any ‘major trades,’ why then are we entertaining the possibility of one? Is he lying?

First of all before fixing a problem with something you have to know what the problem really is. In our case the problem is the starting five, more precisely the big 3. Therefore bringing in a backup pg or changing the bench in any way won’t really help.
Our bench now that Daniels is back is fantastic. They outscored the opponents’ bench in our last two games, in the case of the Hornets it was fortysomething vs 14 pts to our bench and we still managed to loose that game. That shows how big the problem is with big 3. So anything less than a blockbuster won’t solve anything.
And no I don’t believe that they just magically will get healthy and will play as they 5 year younger selves. So in my opinion Ray has to be traded. The only question is for what. I’d say if we say goodbye to this year’s championship dreams and trade him for draftpicks even that would worth it.

If Phoenix is willing to take Z and Hickson from Cleveland would they take Ray and Perk for Amare and Barbosa? Could Danny and Doc live with Stoudemire in the middle? Wouldn’t Perk have value around the league?

I would think Danny needs to work a three way to get pieces that Sacremento or Golden State would want to pry loose Martin or Ellis. Golden State seems to have the best young talent that I think would entice Ainge (Ellis, Morrow, Randolph) and I think Chicago still seems to be the team that would be most motivated to want to move payroll and take Allen in exchange.

Sometimes the expiring contracts you think will be pure gold to other teams doesn’t end up being that way in the end. Neither McGrady nor Allen may get moved.

On the other hand there’s still time to work New York against Chicago to want to slash more payroll for this summer.

I say do nothing so we can relive the post original big 3 era :-)

Will it alter DA’s decision making for trades?

your best chance for reliving that era is you tube

I say trade Ray for a big man. Boston’s defensive needs to improve and so does their rebounding. IE: Too many second chance opportunities. No guard is gonna solve these needs.

Here is an interesting question to ponder. If it was somehow possible to predetermine that the Lakers had the team destined to win it all this year, and the Celtics management could trade all of their players for the Lakers team, would you do it? And if you did, would you be witnessing and cheering for the Celtics winning it all, or rather would you simply be cheering for the Lakers in Celtics uniforms?

Keep Ray. Cheer your guys. Live with the consequences.

if the butler/jamison deal was true and we passed on it then wow we blew it. there’s no deal out there that I like as much although igoudala and lou williams for ray and fill in the blank would be nice. if cleveland gets amare it willhelp them but they lose a very good big man in ilgauskas and amare won’t be nearly the player he is in phoenix wihtout nash as his pg. still cleveland looks to be the odds on favorite to win the title even if they don’t get stoudemire. IF we start playing as a team instead of a bunch of individuals we can still get back in the hunt. we desperately need a pg to run the second unit.

It’s a rap, Cavs will win Championship, period!

Lebron, Shaq and Stoudemire, Now there’s a BIG THREE!

did not work in Phoenix previously and Amare does not play a lick of defense. Hold the championship parade please.

Any idea who we should target as “our biggest need”. I don’t think there are too many of those in the for sale bin.

There’s a big difference between their “big 3” and ours. History is littered with lots of teams that were odds on to win and didn’t.

David Aldridge was on The Beat show they have at 5pm EST and said Phoenix hasn’t even decided yet if they will move Stoudemire. He said that will happen in the next 48 hours. Amare has been playing better for them and it is not a forgone conclusion he will leave 17 million or so on the table. He said they also would want more than Hickson coming back. he still sees Jamison in play to Cleveland.

i agree totally with this author excpet that i will be greatly disappointed if we do a minor
or nothing trade.

think about this, if no one is interested in ray allen or anyone else this year,
what chance do we have of getting anything for any of them next year and beyond.
one thing i do know, aquiring wallace is looking like a really bad deal right now. i think he is lazy and doesn’t care about anything but himself.

but I still believe this team can get back to how they were during the first 30 games. This time last year, everyone was clamoring that we didn’t have anybody to spell PP when we let Posey go. This team really went down hill when Marquis went out and he’s still easing his way back into his rightful place in the rotation. I still like the trade that sends BBD to the Cats for DJ; backup point is a huge weakness for us right now. Everyone keeps throwing out names of scorers (Noc, Amare) but our problems are with inside toughness other than Perk. We are getting killed night in and night out on the boards and are no where near where we were in 08 defensively. A lot of that has to do with KGs mobility, or lack thereof. If we make a move, I’d like to see us obviously get a replacement shooter for RA and an inside presence. We have enough offensive talent to fill it up as-is. The Butler/Jamison trade was intriguing but, realistically, that is a TON of salary to take on. If it didn’t work out, and DA was unable to move them, we’d look back on wasting our best shot at another ring with the Big 3. DA would be wise to not make a move just to make one. Having the base unhappy with him is a small price to pay for the flexibility to compete at a high level this year and in the future.

And I realize that’s a big “if,” I’ve got three possible trades for the Celtics:

1. Stoudemire and Barbosa for Ray Allen, Perkins and House. I can’t believe that Phoenix would turn that down for JJ Hickson.

2. Iguodala, Dalembert and Speights for Ray Allen and Perkins

3. Gerald Wallace, Diaw and Augustin for Ray and Perkins. Substitute Stephen Jackson for Diaw, and I’m perfectly happy, Substitute Rasheed Wallace for Perkins and I’m equally happy.

All of those deals involve a luxury tax hit next year. But you really don’t save money after that, because after 2011, Perkins is going to want his payday, just as Rondo got his this year. And Perkins’ value just went up when he was selected for the national team.

I think this management wants to go really cheap this year because they think there will be a lockout in 2011, and the want to pocket the savings next year AND in the lockout year while pretending that the team is competitive.

And don’t give me that baloney about not being able to defend Dwight Howard without Perkins. You’ve got six fouls from BBD and another 6 from Shelden Williams, and if that doesn’t work you front him. Orlando isn’t going to beat anyone with Dwight Howard’s offense.

He’s got holes in his game, but he’s got grit. He and Rondo are close, he’s a worker and he outplays his pay. That’s how you build an NBA winner.

If he is the future, then it’s bleak.

You pass on Amare Stoudemire because you can’t part with Perkins? Give me a break.

On twitter.com/espn it is written that other teams have sweetened their offers since learning of the Hickson trade. I guess we are not the only ones who think that ain’t a hell of a lot. Perkins is good, better than Hickson, but Amare is special. He ate Perkins up in Boston. He won’t be stopped with Rondo setting him up.

Not just that everybody. I would get rid of Wallace and House in a blink as well if I could. They are an albatross on this team and no explanation is necessary. I am sure Doc would love to get him out of town together with his mouth. House is a detriment defensively, his three is not what it used to be, and once and for all can we all agree that the second unit suffers tremendously as soon as he has to bring the ball up and run plays. It is just so obvious how much difficulty he has, Then the ball gets stalled, tied up, a bad pass is made.

By the way I would trade Pierce and KG too as soon as something good comes up. Both are showing the signs of older players. One day all fans of the C’s are going to have to face up to this fact. Managenent can be loyal and hang on to them to the bitter end. Wouldn’t that be nice, but really I have already concluded these injuries, etc,, are old age. Pierce when healthy doesn’t move too swiftly anymore. More and more he is a non participator in the offense and hangs back on the three point line where he has time to windup, aim, breathe and hit his threes. He, Kg, Ray and this present group will not beat anyone signifcant come the playoffs. We would be blind to what we have already seen.

I like any of Brick’s trade proposals.

Unfortunately, I think this team ownership is starting to watch their pennies.

I’ve said it before that Perk is what he is. He has most likely gotten to his potential. I don’t like his attitude on fouls {too much like Sheed as refs will pick on him} and two fouls will come earlier and earlier.

Spending 12 minutes on the bench in the 1st half doesn’t help this team. Also, he is the Howard free throw category. Howard at least will give you 15- 20 points a night while 8-10 will become Perk’s output. Move him quickly while his value is rising.

I am very concerned with Sheed’s lack of performance at the block. Too many stupid 3 point shots. Coaches and management has got to speak to him about this or we will go the way of Detroit….out in the 1st round.