Wizards Not Done Selling Off
by Jeff Clark on Feb 15, 2010 9:09 PM EST
in Boston Celtics News & Links
Email
PrintIf the trade chatter is to believed, Danny seems to be looking for a younger star-caliber player in return for Ray Allen. That would be an obvious Plan A and that's why you are hearing a lot about Boston's interest in guys like Iggy, Martin, and formerly Caron Butler. But as the song goes, ...you can't always get what you want. Which is why there is always Plan B.
Now Plan B is always saved till the last minute. And in truth there are probably 3-4 versions of Plan A and half a dozen Plan B options that open and close as the week passes by. But here is an example of a situation that Danny might be inclined to keep a close eye on as the deadline progresses and other teams see their Plan A's fall through. The following is from Chris Sheridan:
Wizards looking to move $2.6 million, avoid luxury tax - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN
As I mentioned in today's live chat, the Washington Wizards are not done dealing. And their next priority is moving $2.6 million in salary to get below the luxury tax line.
For practical purposes, that means they are trying to include Mike James and his expiring $6.47 million contract in a package with Antawn Jamison ($11.6 million) and/or Mike Miller ($9.8 million), and they'd do a lopsided trade that favored the other team if it got them under the tax.
In his chat, he responded to one person saying:
Allen's expiring deal and a No. 1 is not enough for Jamison and Miller. But if Boston also took back Mike James and gave up Glen Davis, that would re-load the Celts and get the Wizards under the tax line. By he way, it has been understated how much Miller is in play as a guy the Wizards would take back little in return for if it got them under the tax line of $69.9 million.
Keep in mind that this is just an idea by an ESPN writer, but I think it gives a good example of a Plan B. Neither Jamison or Miller could be classified as "young." With that said, Jamison does give the Celtics rebounding and stretches the floor from the 4 spot (you know, like Sheed was supposed to). Mike Miller gives us yet another shooter. Keep in mind too that the Wizards would be just the kind of team that wouldn't mind buying out Ray Allen, giving him a chance to return to Boston. Adding in Glen Davis makes some sense since he'd be pushed to the bench with the arrival of Jamison anyway.
The bad news is that Jamison's contract is on the books for over $13M next year and $15M the next year. Nobody knows what that the next collective bargaining agreement is going to have in store for teams, so loading up contracts like that is a dangerous proposition. Then again, with the window closing on this nucleus, ownership might be willing to roll that dice. Besides, that contract would be rolling off the books at the same time as KG's and Sheed's would be. Giving us the option to either let them expire all together or shop them around as expiring deals in 2012.
Now this isn't the Plan A for the Wizards either. They'd rather pick up J.J. Hickson and Big Z from Cleveland for Jamison. But the Cavs have their eyes on Stoudemire. So you can see how one or two dominos might create a number of moves as teams move from their Plan A's to their Plan B's.
Update: The LA Times is reporting (hat tip CelticsHub) that the Cavs have another Plan B in place already:
If Cleveland and Phoenix are unable to work out a deal, the Cavaliers reportedly have agreed to acquire Indiana forward Troy Murphy for Ilgauskas and Hickson.
The point is that the Wizards are still in firesale mode and it would be wise for the Celtics to at least kick the tires on what's left in Washington.
78 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
If that's Plan B
The I’m all for it! They can have Glen Davis as long as I get to see Jamison in a C’s jersey!
Just Like Nike
Do it Danny.
I’d rather do it this way and have a shot with Jamison off the bench than ellis/beidrins.
Do it NOW!
I would much prefer Ellis and Beidrins over Jamison and...
Don’t tease me like that.
I know Jamison doesn't have a great rep on defense
But his versatility could be useful against guys like Rashard Lewis, Josh Smith, and (hopefully) Lamar Odom.
I don't like it
Because you are stuck with Jamison next year too.
If you want to maximize the chance to win this year, plan B should be Ray to NY for Robinson and Lee
If there was even a remote chance the D Lee was available, DA would probably be all over it.
Even if it would be a 4 mth rental (because Lee would have to waive his birdrights to be traded)
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Why?
James and Millers contracts come off the books in less than 40 games. Why would they be demanding that James contract be included?
While the fous of this deal would be on Jamison as THE piece (as it should be, his game speaks for itself) The player who excites me the most in this deal is Miller. We would benefit from his consistant outside shooting. He would get a ton of open looks with this team and has proven he can knock it down. Mike James is a veteran ,suitable, solid back up at the point as well. Rondo gets most of the minutes anyway…he could only help in a playoff series. James is also a decent shooter so it would give another look with the second unit. The more I think about it this trade would fill most of our glaring needs.
The only downer is the money piece. Things get hairy when you go all in. Mortgaging our future could set us back. But with the age of this group and the talent we have now…It’s all in or bust, our window is small.
Give me Nate the Great and David Lee. This deal SUCKS. Either that, or the Kings and Chicago deal is the only option I want to hear.
Uh
I’d still prefer Martin and Nocioni. Bring ’em in.
Best Bet
Jeff, you have probably hit on something here with this story. This might be the trade Ainge has to / can only make. I know everyone would like to see someone like Kevin Martin if Ray has to go and maybe I’m missing something but I don’t see the Kings looking to dump Martin for an expiring deal. According to Hoopshype the Kings will be around 41 million in team payroll next year. That doesn’t sound like a team that needs to dump one of their best players. They have a couple of bad contracts like everybody but why is there any need to dump Martin just to remove those deals. Can’t they live with them and keep Martin? If any team needs to dump payroll it’s Philadelphia. Will the desire to shed salary outweigh trading their best player? But would Philly trade their best player to a division rival? It still seems a better option for us than trying to pry anthing away from the Kings. Now getting back to Washington, if they still want to move payroll then this deal would most likely be the best Danny could hope to do. Everybody can come up with something that they think would be better. That’s the rub, it’s what the poster thinks is better, doesn’t mean that it’s a deal the other team would say yes to. Jamison will give us a front line scorer to go with Paul and helps our rebounding. Miller does a lot well and adds to our perimeter shooting. Jamison’s deal doesn’t worry me. It ends when KG’s does. That’s the key. Good post Jeff. Could have something here.
Miller is 29
Another guy with questionable health, but great shooter/good rebounder. The deal makes sense to me
by nba is the worst on Feb 16, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I Don't Know Which Trade is Worse
This one with the Wizards, or Martin/Nocioni. If Ainge does either one of those he ought to be fired.
wow
Yea those would be awful deals…….
Why are you so negative , its getting old
by rondohondoss on Feb 16, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
No matter what C's do - if its not the GS deal, Brick will object.
Sorry Brick, but something in me just doesn’t see a backcourt of Ellis and Rondo makes me nervous. Too small, no floor spacing there.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Jamison/Miller plus Ray's return
would make us extremely deep and put us in position to make a title run this year. Obviously Jamison’s contract is a killer, but forgive me for looking short term right now. We are still too talented to be looking long term.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
Brick
Then he won’t make either one and you’ll blast him for being inactive! He can’t win.
If we make the Wizards trade and Ray gets bought out and comes back., which is a strong possibility given their desire to clear salary…we essentially would have traded Glenn Davis for Jamison, Miller and James. That get’s you fired these days?
Tough crowd!
Remember Jamison's Second Year
He doesn’t come off the cap until 2011.
Of those three players, the only one that interests me is Mike James.
Gimme a break
Wizards fans think Miller would fit the Celtics more than Butler. You’re sounding like a poor man’s Skip Bayless if you’d FIRE Danny over Martin/Nocioni or Miller/Jamison if either were possible.
I mean, would you fire Danny for standing pat?
I agree, Miller fits perfectly into the role vacated by Allen (who we may get back). So what is the worst thing that happens, we pay Jamison a year longer than most would prefer? He is a very, very good player who comes to work everynight and doesn’t carry any baggage. Bring on the extra year to make a push with a veteran group right now.
Sure it isn't ideal to have him that long
But you make it seem as if he is a complete scrub. The guy can still produce. He may even thrive on this team with the players around him.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
by Jimmy Toscano on Feb 15, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Also Brick
I understand you’d be interested in Ellis and Biedrins. Thing is, that’s more expensive than Martin and Nocioni salary-wise. Also, Nocioni’s contract ends the same year’s as KG (2012), Martin’s ends at 2013, while Ellis’ contract ends at 2014, and Biedrins’ ends at 2013 with a player option in 2014.
You’d fire Danny for Martin/Nocioni but willingly take Ellis/Biedrins? I don’t get it.
mmmmmmm
If we make this deal with Wizadrs with Ray comming back can we deal Scal, Tony and House to Chicago for Thomas?
As to what remains of trade possibilities...
Get Gerald Wallace or Iggy.
Who cares if you have Jamison next season?
He’s an excellent player…I’d like to have him…we’re not going to make a splash into the free agency pool anyways.
…and get this…if he doesn’t perform as well…you can still trade him. Wow.
it does work
remember that Mike James isn’t necessarily in the deal
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhe5jje
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
yeah ray/davis for jamison/miller works, but im not sure what Sheridan was saying about James in the deal...
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
by Jimmy Toscano on Feb 15, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
he was saying
that they wanted to use James if they can in deals, not necessarily part of the deal suggested
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
That's not what this implies
“Allen’s expiring deal and a No. 1 is not enough for Jamison and Miller. But if Boston also took back Mike James and gave up Glen Davis, that would re-load the Celts and get the Wizards under the tax line.”
adding Scal makes it work, not sure if that would get Wiz under tax line though.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
by Jimmy Toscano on Feb 15, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think it does since the difference between the 2 sides is greater than $2.6 million
You could swap Giddens in for Davis and it would work too.
I love the deal, and it allows us to move Sheed/Eddie for a legit backup PG and C
like to the bobcats for Augustin and Diop/Mohammed
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 15, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions
deal sucks
Jamison is overrated. FG% (3 or 2), rebounding, defense all suck. He’s an inefficient scorer period. I’d rather lose with Ray this season than lose with Jamison for the next couple of years.
BUT it seems like the cool aid guys are singing Jamison’s praises so I’m sure it’s basically a done deal.
so if ray...
…is bought out and resigns with the c’s, does it still suck?
it's better but not great
people underestimate the time it takes for a team to gel. players coming and going is not great for team chemistry.
in what fire sale scenario does ray not get bought out? in that case, why can’t we do better than Jamison?
Read this below from your article above
Allen’s expiring deal and a No. 1 is not enough for Jamison and Miller. But if Boston also took back Mike James and gave up Glen Davis, that would re-load the Celts and get the Wizards under the tax line.
reload the celtics??? if this is a reload then we must be re-loading a squirt gun and I will throw a towel in Danny’s face to dry it off instead of Robert Horry doing it……and it won’t be an easy throw.
I am still amazed how many of you are so anxious to pull a trigger!!!! any trigger……it makes me almost sick
Is it Soup Yet?
Hey, let's trade Ray for Wade & Brandon Roy. The salaries work out!! Ray's a perfect fit for Portami!!
It’s getting a little ridiculous with some of these fantasy trades and Fire Ainge rants. The guy was worshiped when he acquired Ray and KG to bring us a championship. Now you want to replace him and play GM.
One outrageous apple...
…does not ruin the blog
I hate this deal
Jamison’s gonna be 34 in June. Miller’s 30 but he’s always injured. Does this give us a better chance to win this year? Maybe, but not so much that it’s worth taking on two more 30+ players on an already ancient team. Unless a deal comes along that blows Danny away, his #1 priority should be getting younger.
It's Not Danny's Job to Get the Wizards Under the Tax Line
1. Ellis and Biedrins— great
2. Wallace and Diaw— great
3. Diaw and Stephen Jackson— ok
4. Iggy and Dalembert— ok
5. Robinson and Lee- ok
6. Martin and Kenny Thomas— I can live with it.
7. Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas— I can live with it
8. Martin and Nocioni— No
9. Jamison and Miller— No, no.
Just because Miller and Doc Rivers used to be lovers is no reason to bring Miller to Boston. And Jamison is 33 years old. I’d rather trade Ray for Gilbert Arenas.
Desperation....
It’s clear that Chad Ford has been reading this blog lately, because it reeks of desperation….
by McHaleinthepost on Feb 15, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions
How is this an upgrade????
So we are going to replace one of the best shooters in the NBA with someone that doesn’t fit into our starting rotations and a journeyman? Let’s not get too excited with just the idea of a trade. Hopefully Danny is keeping a level head….
re-load is the word they used
To some people in here they can’t stand to NOT pull the trigger….they want to re-load (no matter what they re-load with) ……..
Is it Soup Yet?
Everyone down on Jamison
seem to think there’s a better, younger alternative. There may not be. So since we don’t want him maybe we’ll be happy with Hinrich? Also Master Po, if Ray stays, I don’t want to hear you crying next summer when we are watching the meat market drive by and we can’t buy anything. It’ll be fun around here watching the boys win 46 games in 2011-12.
Either the world ends in 2012 or.....
the NBA is completely overhauled in terms of contracts, salary caps and salaries in general because they (the NBA) are losing hundreds of millions of $ …..so we may be able to buy lots of meat because the price of meat is going way down.
Either way I won’t be crying……..
Is it Soup Yet?
if we can’t get martin and nocioni…i’m all for getting jamison…the guy can score and rebound…i don’t know how some of you don’t want jamison…
by rayallen_35_24 on Feb 15, 2010 11:37 PM EST reply actions
Master
The NBA will not be overhauled this coming summer….meat will still cost too much. sorry
please help me understand
if we don’t trade Ray Allen his big salary comes off the books after this season right? He wants to remain a celtic so we re-sign him for millions and millions less correct? Can’t we then use some of that money and Scal’s money to go out and ‘re-load" over the summer with maybe some "younger bargains while others chase big fish we can’t get anyway??
If we sign Jamison (34 years old) we are commiting 2 years of money to pay him and taking on Miller’s contract as well…..where did we gain…..
Sorry to be so stupid ….but why the rush to trade Ray for these two……
Is it Soup Yet?
the thing is, since we're so far over the cap - Ray's contract coming off only provides zero- minimal capspace
As it stands, we’re currently going to have about $60m tied up in only 6 players (this is assuming we don’t pick up options on Giddens and Walker) – about $40m of that is dedicated to Pierce and KG alone. So we’d actually still be over cap once the summer hits. We can use the MLE to try to entice a player, or split it between 2 guys. We have no LLE because you can only use that every 2 yrs, and we just used it to sign Daniels. So the best way to bring in fresh talent is a trade, just so happens that Ray’s expiring is the most attractive piece we have…
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
thx RJ but I am still confused
You say Ray’s expiring contract is the most attractive piece we have – I guess you mean that adding Jamison at 34 years of age with a 13 million and 15 million two year deal is a huge upgrade for Ray even though no matter what we do we are still over the cap and thus paying luxury tax…..? If Jamison has more shoulder or knee or back problems then this won’t seem so good?
you also use the words “fresh talent” – these two are “fresh”…….? If so I don’t feel quite so stale
I am too tired to really get this I guess
Is it Soup Yet?
If you look through my other comments, you'll see that I'm against a trade for Jamison.
His contract is too much to swallow with the cap coming down and he’s too old.
I should’ve clarified, Ray is valuable to bring in younger talent (Martins or Iggy – maybe even Ellis but I’m not in love with that either).
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
call me crazy
But i want to trade for Ray Allen. He’s proven clutch. A great shooter, way better than available in trade proposals or more precisely, the actual trade market. He plays above average defense, he has won a championship and will keep the chemistry (or what little is left of it) of the 2009-2010 Boston Celtics. Does that work in the trade checker?
I agree, im mostly a Denver Nuggets fan, but i find the Celtics situation interesting. Plus i live in MA so its hard to stay away from the stories, but i would trade somebody for Ray Allen most definitely. I just hope the Celtics can get something worked out and start playing Boston ball again. I enjoy the hype, i cant lie.
"Victory belongs to the most Preserving" - Napoleon
"The teams that do the best job of putting personal agendas aside are the successful teams. It's not easy. That's why it's hard being a good teammate, but everyone has that choice." - Ray Allen
by AiTheLAviTiCuS#21 on Feb 15, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Do this for sure!
Great trade. Jeff you’re right by saying we wouldn’t need Baby being a 5th big. Miike James will also give us that backup PG (although he can’t be that good, if Boykins is playing ahead of him). Again, salary ramifications are not too bad as we are in contention this year and next, and in the third year all expire.
I hope Pierce backs out of his option and resigns for two years at a lesser rate ($12 million, perhaps?). Btw, if Ray is bought out, and returns on a Vet Min, do we have Bird Rights? Even if we don’t, we can resign Miller (oh wait, I’m not sure if we have Bird Rights on him either). Then we have a big expiring party in two years and rebuild that way. That’s also why I have no problem with Nocioni, because he also expires that year.
I have repeatedly written that we should not trade Ray and instead make him the 6th man with Daniels as the starter. With that said, if Ray is traded and does not resign after being released, then I would not mind a trade that sent Ray, Scal and Giddens to Washington for Jamison, Miller and James. The trade also removes the need to trade Sheed or BBD for Augustin, since James would be the backup PG. Considering James’ experience and need to only play 10 minutes a night, it is a good fit without giving up much in return. So our roster would look something like this (assuming Ray does not resign):
Rondo/James
Daniels/House
Perk/Sheed
KG/Jamison
PP/Miller
We still have TA, BBD, Walker and Shelden on the bench. That is a solid team that could wear down opponents in a 7 game series. Having Jamison, Sheed and BBD also gives KG more rest in time for the playoffs. Same with Miller coming in for Pierce. Doc has all kinds of flexibility with this line-up. And if Ray does come back, even better. I like this trade only if Danny decides that Ray must go.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on CelticsBlog
Related FanShots on CelticsBlog
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- LeBron James hints that he’d like to be welcomed back as a Cleveland Cavalier
- The Phoenix Suns refuse to dismantle their team because of … we can’t tell
- Video: Matt Barnes is legitimately upset with former coach Mo Cheeks
- Yao Ming discusses Jeremy Lin as eloquently as you’d expect
- Paul George (and Jeremy Lin, essentially) will highlight this year’s Dunk Contest
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
