Standing Pat?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 16, 2010 6:04 AM EST
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PrintHere are a few rumor updates this morning from the Herald's Mark Murphy.
General manager Danny Ainge declined comment on any trade discussions with other teams, but league sources said the Celts still are working the phones, with their primary goal to land a backup point guard - especially one who can defend.
Chicago's Kirk Hinrich, who's due to make an average of $9 million per year through the 2011-12 season, and Charlotte's D.J. Augustin, who has one year left on his rookie contract (with a team option for 2011-12), remain possibilities.
Not sure why Augustin keeps getting mentioned as a guy that can defend. That's not really his reputation. But whatever.
The team also hopes the recent return of Marquis Daniels, combined with Tony Allen's emergence as one of the best defenders in the rotation, will help solve the problem. Daniels' presence also will enable House to move off the ball and into the role that suits him best - catching and shooting.
With that in mind, Ainge isn't in a hurry to make a risky deal.
That's why the Celtics deemed Washington forward Antawn Jamison, who has two years and approximately $30 million left on his contract, too old and expensive.
If true, so much for my Plan B idea from yesterday.
The article goes on to reiterate that Doc offered Glen Davis to Larry Brown for Augustin and Brown countered by asking for Rasheed Wallace. "The conversation ended there," says Murphy. He also reports that Ainge told Glen's camp that he wouldn't be traded.
And for now, that stance finds the Celtics strictly in window shopping mode, though that easily could change by the trade deadline Thursday.
Should the rival Cavs land Stoudemire from Phoenix, though, it won't set off an alarm in the C's front office, according to the source.
"I don't think it would give them more urgency than they already have," the source said.
So it sounds like there's still a chance that the Celtics could very well stand pat. Thoughts?
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Jeff,
Hinrich can defend but I think the author was just mentioning Augustine as a possibility not a defender, two seperate thoughts. So is Danny desperate or happy to stand pat? Remember, still a ways to go before Thursday!
targets...
point guards Danny might like? How about Kyle Lowry? We haven’t heard the Rockets mentioned. Maybe those are the kind of deals that end up getting done.
We have become the late 80's celtics. Not good enough for a championship but too good to get good draft picks.
52 wins this year
Can’t match up with the top 5 or 6 teams in the league.
Ainge is between a rock and a hard place. He wants a chance to win this year and in the future. He wants a good young player.
But teams aren’t giving up good young players unless they are flawed in some way – injury history like martin, too short like a monta ellis, or bad contract or maybe more than one flaw.
So what should we do?
Since we are unlikely to win this year anyway, trade Ray for what you can get as assets that can be “flipped” in the future. If we don’t trade Ray now he walks away with no compensation.
by celticspride4ever on Feb 16, 2010 7:17 AM EST reply actions
we're not dead yet
52 wins means 500 ball for the rest of the season. doubt it. we may be older but we are still a very talented team.
if our only addition is the return of a healthy marquise we will have improved in three areas. better defender to spell pierce, a better back up point to handle the ball and a better eddie house jumper.
if we added hinrich to the squad our second unit becomes much tougher.
what our starters realy need is less time on the floor. a stronger second unit gives us that.
i predict 60 wins and we beat cleveland if we meet em in the playoffs.
no chance this team wins 60. they have shown zero far to expect his...maybe 52-55 wins but
i dont see them getting 60 and i dont see them even getting to the cavs in the playoffs. it isnt about the injuries. it is about a championship winning starting 5 BLOWING huge wins to lose games in the third quarter. starters aren’t getting it done
by celticinorlando on Feb 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
so much for "celtics pride forever"
get off your little bandwagon.
celtics are for real fans. go like the lakers or something.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 16, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have been on the Celtic bandwagon since 1965....
However, if other people want to do their thinking with their heart {rather than using their brain}, that`s up to them!
so if you are a realist looking at the way this team has played since christmas
and see they are a middle of the road team with a ton of issues…you are a bandwagon fan? wow…i am optomistic they can right the ship but i have seen nothing this season from them that would suggest they can or will. i still will watch every game until they are finished for the season and i will still cheer like crazy for them…but my realistic goals for this team have changed
by celticinorlando on Feb 16, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
So one day Danny is desperate and the next day he is willing to stand pat?
You’re right Jeff, everybody lies during “trade rumors” time!
I tnink that we will be fine if we add Hinrich to our roster. Standing pat means improving the bench a little bit for me, and that would be great, so I would be OK with “standing pat” as long as we add a guy like Hinrich to our bench, and if we can get him without losing key pieces (meaning for a package of Scal, TA + filler).
I don’t understand either why Augustin is always mentioned when we talk about a defensive-minded PG but whatever!
yup
listen to everything, believe nothing
when the deadline passes, half of it will make sense and the rest will fade into memory
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
We need something big in order to win it all...
…if Danny can`t get a good deal then we are in poor position either way…
I really think all we need is a backup point guard.
Not just any backup though. Nate Robinson would be a perfect fit. He can handle the ball, score and I think he can energize this team.
Better no trade than a bad trade--
but it would be disappointing if we couldn’t get anything for Ray’s contract that wouldn’t be a burden to the team in the future. (E.g., too long a bad contract for the level of player.)
Would that be a harbinger for the C’s expiring contracts to come and if so, how ever would they get better again before first getting truly horrible for a few years?
Make small changes!!!
if danny can get monta,martin,amar’e,iggy… i would welcome it.
but if he cant. then trade for DJ augustin or a good PG, new jersey said they wanted to trade bobby simmons, CDR… they are both scorers would be good opitions and could be had for just expirings. for the celtics small upgrades would mean the world.
This is the last championship year for this team if we cant land a star for allen.
and i hate when people say the celtics should be like the mavs and just trow money around and never rebuild. if DA makes the adjustments now the celtics spend one season in the lottery and buys some draft pics, the celtics could be a good to go in 2 seasons.
As much as i am a celtics fan, i dont think this team can win another championship.
OKC has gr8 vision they dont sign veterans for backup roles they sign young potential players. its amazing to see what the GM has in mind! middle amarica has a monster growing under their noses, watch out for OKC in 2 years.
Rebuild
We need to start breaking down the bigger contracts into smaller more cap friendly ones. If we stand pat, then we won’t have a starting sg next year.
Our cap is already used up for next year and we can’t afford Marquis.
by Ragetti on Feb 16, 2010 8:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Huh?
Even if we don’t make any moves, how does this prevent us from resigning Ray and Quisy? If we do stand pat, it means Ray is gonna be our starting SG next year. We have Ray’s Bird right, so we can sign him to whatever we want. That leaves the MLE for resigning Quisy. That should be plenty to afford him.
by KG's Knee on Feb 16, 2010 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The most interesting part of that article
Is that Doc called Larry Brown and offered him Baby for Augustin and Larry counter offered for Rasheed. Then, later in the article, it says Danny told Baby’s camp that he’s not going to trade him.
Doc’s really never taken a role in player acquisition and yet he’s willing to offer Baby up to Larry Brown? When he doesn’t have the power?
The funny part is, Doc probably wouldn’t have played Augustin anyway.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Feb 16, 2010 8:56 AM EST reply actions
i noticed that too.
If true, it may be a further statement about DOC being fed up with BBD. But the chances of it actually being true are probably negligible, given all the rumours and crap floating about.
I just don’t get the urgency of some for a backup PG. This isn’t last year or 2008. We now have Daniels to play point forward so we don’t have the problem of asking Eddie to bring up the ball. Plus Rondo is in far more command of this team and playing more minutes than in those years.
Unless BBD were really and truly a huge negative problem, I just would not give up a bench C/PF for a bench PG who in the playoffs is not going to play more than 10 minutes, tops. In the playoffs, especially when on the road, you need extra bigs to soak up fouls.
The backup PG urgency
You are right that Daniels can bring up the ball, but I think it has to do more with defense on the perimeter than running the offense while Rondo sits (see Collison in the NO game).
I agree with you about not trading one of our bigs (BBD as much as I can’t stand the guy) for a PG.
Sheed trade would be good
Seriously – other than vs the Raptors, and that Hornets game, Sheed has completely underperformed. Why not make this deal?
by nba is the worst on Feb 16, 2010 9:04 AM EST reply actions
So wait...
Jamison is too old and expensive, but Garnett wasn’t when we signed him? That doesn’t make sense. Not that I think we should get Jamison or anything (I agree he is too old and expensive), but couldn’t that same logic have been applied to Garnett??
What Baffles Me
What baffles me is why some of these teams with serious financial issues and long term deals that they can’t afford— including at least two teams (Charlotte and GS) that are up for sale, aren’t jumping at the chance to unload longer contracts in exchange for Ray’s expiring deal.
One answer is that the Celtics are the ones saying no, because Celtics’ management is unwilling to take on these longer commitments.
Brick
Their are 2 trades that have been rumored over and over. One with GS and the other with Chicago – GS for Maggette/Radmanovic/Randolph for Ray or Chi Heinrick/Thomas/James for Ray. I’m not sure how much I like either deal – Maggette is pretty selfish who can score and shoot the 3-ball, plus you get a young talent in Randolph. In the Chi deal Heinrich is decent (combo guard) can play defense, handle and a decent 3 pt shooter, Thomas is the intriguing athlete, but a head case. Most of the other trades are pie in the sky. Can’t see us getting AI or Martin for expiring contracts and we don’t have much else. Both trades put us at over slightly over 80M with only 8 or 9 players, which is a cause for concern in my opinion.
I think that’s Danny’s dilema that there’s really not a good deal out there. And we just don’t have the pieces to get anything much better.
Of these deal, I might be tempted to try the Maggette deal if still available. What do you think?
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i expect nothing to be done..i expect we hear danny's company line of how he loves this team
etc etc etc….and i expect another frustrating half season of basketball
by celticinorlando on Feb 16, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions
Agree that C's don't want longer commitments
That would be my guess too. And I agree with that stance. There is a brick wall ahead called the new CBA and the owner’s are going to get most of what they want in my opinion. Taking back contracts for Ray may not be most flexible move.
I also maintain that our best shot at championship is with the team we have now. Obvously they have to play better. It all hangs on whether KG can get back the eye of the tiger. Ray has not been the problem. In fact because of the other problems he has played too many minutes. Ther is no fix out there for what’s missing from KG. He finds it, we’re a threat to go all the way. He doesn’t, and Kevin Martin, etc won’t matter. Sometimes the best moves ARE the ones you don’t make. Ben Gordon was all-world against us last playoffs. Anyone want Ben Gordon now?
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