Nate To Boston "Done" ...Or Not
by Jeff Clark on Feb 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST
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PrintAlan Hahn is reporting that Nate Robinson to Boston is a done deal. Details as they become available.
See updates below - Looks like Hahn jumped the gun.
I'll wait to see who and what we are giving up to give my detailed reaction. For now my reaction is this: Is that it?
The good news: He can score in bunches off the bench, giving us much needed offense for the 2nd unit.
The bad news: He's not known for defense and he's not a great distributor. I pretty much agree with what Tom Ziller writes here.
After hearing names like Kevin Martin, Andre Iguodala, and even Kirk Hinrich tossed around for the last few weeks, I have to wonder if this is all we're going to get and if it will be enough to make any kind of difference.
Update: Wojo tweets:
Knicks and Celtics still talking on Nate Robinson-Eddie House, three sources say, but may not be a deal until tomorrow.
"D'Antoni wants House, and (Boston) really wants Nate, so everyone is motivated here," one source told Y! Sports.
Update 2: Alan Hahn clarifies
Nate trade not "official" but done - and @WojYahooNBA says may not finalize until tomorrow - but sounds like it is House/2nd Rnd pick.
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OK, I'm done with the attempt of the up-to-the-minute game here. Being corrected on info regarding House/2nd Rounder. Stay tuned.
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Let's start over. Source says Nate-to-Celtics is "close" but no specifics yet can be confirmed. Everyone gets a free punch to my #P90X abs.
I guess Alan Hahn jumped the gun a bit on that.
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This is good, right?
This is a good trade right? I believe Nate will be able to bring the energy back to the Cs..
"it's easy to handly success.. the real test is how you handle failure.."
XOXO,
tatskee
what are the details on this? anyone?
if we’re only giving up house then this makes sense…. TA though????
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Good Trade
The Celts finally has someone off the bench that can create his own shot. As we all know We had to run plays to get House open.
Such a good point cB3
Nate will be an energy guy and can create his own shot, which is somethnig the bench needs badly. He is NOT an upgrade on defense though.
What's the price tag
I hate Robinson and his antics. If we end up giving up a pick, or even someone other than an end-of-bencher, I’ll be even more disappointed.
Welcome, Nate.
Now you can be Krypto-Nate full time!
It's good
The thing they needed most was someone to handle the ball when Rondo sits. They got that, and a potentially huge scoring threat to boot. Makes good sense. Remember that the Cs’ offense has been a huge problem in recent games. Even last night, when they just could NOT score in the final minutes.
As for D… look at it this way: the man can guard Earl Boykins real good.
if this is true
do use think that there will be someone else coming in are is that us done!!will he play thrus are is he injured
Hope it's not for House...
If it is, the deal makes somewhat less sense.
I don't like Nate...
He is a pretty good scorer, but he seems like a bigtime dink with no focus. Seems like we are starting to have a little collection of those guys here.
Don’t know if this move does anything except give us an energy boost.
If you want a guy who can win dunk contests, you can go get Gerald Green and keep House!
by rickyfan3.0... on Feb 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
This was the biggest issue
Backup PG. They said so, and so did we. So yeah, this could easily be it. And it is a big deal, actually. Frees Quis to do more spelling of Paul or Ray, on top of all the other obvious pluses.
Like everyone else...
… I hope there’s a bigger deal coming before tomorrow.
As per Twitter --It's not a done deal just yet..
"it's easy to handly success.. the real test is how you handle failure.."
Confucius say...
Fortune cookie say this is all a big smokescreen, real target is Kirk, Danny attempting the Hinrich maneuver.
Ohh don't worry confucius
My cristal ball said tha the next trade is with Chicago R Allen, T Allen, Davis and Scalabrine for Deng, Hinrich and T. Thomas
I'd actually love that trade
even though i wished ray allen and big baby stayed here.
but its not happening. doesnt deng have a huge contract?
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a FANTASTIC trade
Ray is in the twilight, Baby has built-in limitations. TA would be a loss, but the returning players are better. Scal is Scal.
Who are the Celtics giving up?
If the deal is House for Nate and doesn’t involve giving up Scal or TA, it makes sense to make. I like House as much as anyone. And I don’t like Nate. But, the Celtics have to have a backup point guard. And as much as I like House, he is not a backup PG and the Celtics are a better team with Nate and TA taking House’s minutes.
If it involves TA, it will be a shame. After all of the ups and downs and time the Celtics have invested in TA, it would be a real shame to trade him for a back bencher like Robinson just when TA is going to contribute to a good team.
Never liked him
Nate Robinson is the type of player I hated to watch when he was with the Knicks because he seemed like such a punk. But I have a feeling he will be the scrappy kind of player you like to see on your team. I think he is an improvement over House. If he can dribble up the floor under pressure then he is an improvement, it lets Daniels play the off guard/SF that he should be playing and not the 2nd unit point guard. Defensively, I don’t know enough about him. It will be interesting to see him play a little off guard with Rondo on days when the Celtics can take advantage of their speed with him and Rondo together.
Do not worry about Nate's attitude
Just remember Marbury. Everybody was MUCH more worried about Steph’s toxicity. Turned out he was absolutely great in that department. (And don’t forget how nutty NY has been. )
I think we can expect the same from Nate… the difference being that Nate’s actually in his prime, no rust, just ready to go. Definitely like this move.
Comforting thought at "crunch-time" or OT....
Nate and TA on the floor at the same time—with Doc frantically barking instructions from the bench!
Looks like Danny sought to elevate the team`s “I.Q.”
We needed to shake things up
It’s not enough to but it’s a start. He is an improvement over Eddie. At least he can handle the ball and penetrate. Eddie was not the guy for that. Eddie shoots.
I don’t think there is a whole lot of difference defensively between Nate & Eddie. I’m assuming it is Eddie heading to NY. Can’t see these two existing together.
Hopefully there is something else in the works as well. Should be interesting. Get it done Danny.
Like Marbury in terms of attitude, yes
And Steph’s attitude was a huge positive surprise.
But Nate’s not rusty, he’s in his prime. Huge difference. This is an excellent deal, even if Eddie has to go.
Rovinson has more game the Marbury
Come on Jeff. Robinson is better than that. He has only got to be a backup. It is not like they are asking him to play 30 minutes a night or something. And you have to agree, he is better at handling the point than House or TA.
Marburg was twice as good a
Player that Nate will ever be
dude just got wasted too long and sorta lost
his legs and shooting feel
if we sighed him last summer it woulda worked very well I really believe dat
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 17, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really? Are you kidding me?
We got a 5’ 9" point guard who can’t pass or defend and gave up our sharpshooter off the bench? How does this help us?
TITLETOWN here we come! i bet the Cavs and Lakers are quaking in their boots over this one! what a freaking joke.
Eddie has been running hot and cold
As all 1-dimensional shooters are. Nate’s a shooter / slasher / scorer / PG. He can score without having his shot be “on”. This is a huge upgrade, and an excellent move.
(And the net change in D will be small.)
we already have slashers on the second team
Daniels & TA both provide that already.
Losing Eddie means losing a spacemaker.
Even in this ‘down’ year, Eddie is shooting over 38% from 3PT land (down slightly from his +39% career avg). Defenses always have to at least respect his shot so his man has to play him tight out on the perimeter. That’s one less man that can help in the paint.
Nate is having a good year from the arc so far at 37.5%, but his career avg is only 35% – will he regress? And more importantly do defenses respect his 3pt shot so they don’t sag off him waiting for him to slash?
If it is just Eddie, this isn’t the worse trade – so long as we don’t give up a big man. But i don’t really think it makes our bench better.
So wait..
Eddie shoots a little over .5% better than him this year?
Nate can dribble, drive, shoot, get fouled, and create. Plus, his shooting is up this year from 35% (this is me using your words). Sounds like a huge upgrade?
Unless your completely pessimistic, then this looks horrible. Everything looks horrible.
I don't think it would be 'horrible'
but I just don’t see it as a huge upgrade.
The role that needs to be filled here is perimeter threat for the purpose of creating space. All the other stuff is great, but that’s what the primary purpose is of the SG in this offense – both on the starters and the 2nd unit. For all his weaknesses, when allowed to play off the ball, Eddie provides exactly that – he’s a legitimate career 39% 3PT threat that defenses cannot leave uncontested beyond the arc.
The career averages are important – most folks tend to regress to that by the end of the season. Eddie started the season cold and is trending upward. Will Nate continue to shoot so far above his?
As I said, I don’t think this is terrible, but I don’t think Nate helps us much. All those other skills he brings are nice, but they are redundant with skills provided by others on the team and not complementary. If you surround the perimeter with slashers the defense will not play tight on anyone and the paint will be filled with bodies.
The most important question isn’t really whether Nate will continue his above-his-career-avg 3PT shooting. It is really just whether defenses will believe that he will continue his current 3PT shooting. If they do, then we are good. But if they believe he will prefer to iso / slash his way to the hoop, they will play soft off of him.
Ultimately, we are talking about 10-15 minutes of playing time per game. Does this really make us THAT much better in the second unit? This does nothing to address the poor frontline play in the starters.
Actually, the role that needed to be filled
… was a ball handler for the 2nd unit. Yes, Quis can do it, but it’s not right having Quis try to fill 3 roles for one team (backing up Paul/Ray/Rondo). With Nate, we get exactly what we needed – a reasonably good backup PG – and a huge scoring threat as gravy.
Spacing is important too, of course. But that wasn’t the focus of their needs. So all in all, I’m good with this trade, even if we have to lose Eddie (which I’d rather not, but it looks inevitable.)
But Quis doesn't need to fill all those roles.
TA has proven very productive as sub for Pierce this year. Doc truly put the stamp on that last night when, in the closing minute he specifically subbed TA in for Pierce on a defensive possession (when Sheed was shooting his FTs).
So ’Quis really only HAS to sub as a package going in with Eddie (or Nate now) to sub for Rajon & Ray.
Yeah, you still situationally insert any of these guys in differently – but the above is the basic substitution and it clearly has worked very well – not just these last two games but also last early fall.
To me, the ‘need for a backup ball handler’ is last year’s problem. I don’t see the point to addressing last year’s problem other than to shake things up.
You don't see that Quis as PG was a workaround?
You really think that was a good permanent solution? This year? Hmm. Can’t agree with that one. Apparently, neither did Danny, Doc and Wyc.
Well, they went into the season with that.
Outside of the damn thumb injury i can’t see how it hasn’t worked. The bench has clearly worked very well with Quis running point.
But hey – like I always say – they see stuff in practice that we don’t.
I don’t see the need for this change, but I’m okay with being shown something.
But yes, our starters' problems remain
…unchanged. KG, Perk, Paul, sometimes Ray. We ain’t going anywhere unless they get their act together.
there were reports that
the lakers wanted this guy. jus saying lol
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 17, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
This proves that DA is no longer focused on this year
Yup, say GOOD BYE to EDDIE!
I guess the Lakers weren't focused on this year either
Considering the Lakers apparently wanted Nate, too.
Just saying.
Easy on the personal attacks.
And further, what about Tai’s comment was wrong?
Both players are in the last year of their contracts. This isn’t a rebuilding deal. It’s a deal that presumably makes the team better right now in DA’s eyes.
Whether you agree or not is one thing, but to suggest this as evidence that DA is packing it in on this season is silly.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
House and 2nd rounder is fine
House and first rounder would have sucked.
Sure hope Danny can follow this up with violating Chicago somehow.
Yes, violate chicago
I love Heinrich.. He is the perfect sixth man for a good team. He can defend and play all three wing positions. And he is a decent scorer.
OK I guess.....
Can’t possibly be just Eddie for Nate though. Seems to me the deal would have to include atleast 1 more player from both teams. The Absent Lanlord for M. James would work. Either way, not a bad deal. Nate has better handles, can pass ( didn’t say he will, but he can), and can’t possibly be worse than Eddie on D.
This would work best with Quisy and Ray swapping spots in the rotation.
by KG's Knee on Feb 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why Give a Pick?
This is a three month rental. Robinson is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and there are no Bird rights. What’s the point? Just so you can say you did something?
They don't want to pay a pick
They are giving the pick (if they give up a first round pick) because they don’t want to be stuck giving a guaranteed contract to someone who isn’t likely to contribute, which is what they will have to do if they have a first round pick this year.
Is Nate a punk?
I’ve always seen people say nate is punk and bad team mate. I know Tommy doesn’t like him. But, every interview I have seen with Nate, he seems like a pretty good guy. I can really only remember one on court incident and it was when Carmelo took a swing and ran away. From what I can tell, half of our current roster (including KG, and Perk) probably has worse on the court behavior that what I have seen from Nate. I think this trade will work out just fine. Finally, we have two guys on this team that can dribble (Rondo and Nate).
I agree
I’m glad you said that because I was just about to say the same thing. He seems like a good guy who has gotten a bad reputation for some reason. Granted he might get a little more fired up on the court or in the locker room and it’s something we we will never see but from what I have seen and heard he seems like he’s got his act together.
I think he just wants to win. When you play on crappy teams your whole career, you get frustrated and maybe say things you regret. It’s not the end of the world. He sat down with the announcers during the Rookie Game (I think) last weekend and he seemed like a nice kid and was actually kind of funny. That doesn’t always mean anything but I did not get any bad vibes from him at all. I think he would fit in perfectly with this team and would obviously defer to the vets.
I think there are some negatives to his game obviously but if it’s only House we are getting rid of, it’s a total upgrade. Eddie wasn’t shooting well this season and Robinson is having a solid all around season. Robinson can play better D, can actually dribble and run the point and he brings some energy that is sorely needed on this team right now. Plus, when he gets hot, look out.
This is an improvement...
As much as I root for Eddie and he was on fire last night, Eddie runs hot n cold, Nate is a more consistent force on the court. He drains other teams energy, chasing him around. He’s young(ish) and really wants to be here.
What’s going to be funny is how in the world will Sheed and Big Baby keep up with him ?
We can expect Doc to involve Nate in more preplanned passing schemes. It’s not fair to call him a ball hog or shot hog..he will play Celtics ball soon.
Immediately
Don’t forget how nutty NY really is. D’Antoni was a big improvement, obviously, but he still runs a nutty offense-centric run-and-gun system. Nate will immediately adapt to Cs ball… though it will take him a good month to get most of the sets and schemes down.
I think so
Part of the Celtics problem is that their offense goes flat a lot of times in the second half. Nate is instant energy and matchup problems off of the bench. He ought to be able to kickstart the offense at times when Rondo still looks tentative.
FINALLY!!!!
And Now TRADE RAY ALLEN!!!!
Option1: Iggy and Sammy
Option 2: Kevin Martin and Nocioni
Option 3: Deng and Thomas (or Hinrich, Thomas and Salmons)
Option 4: Jamison and Miller
IN DANNY WE TRUST!!!
:D
Trade Everyone!
New starting 5 and bench!
This is garbage
We needed to make an impact move. We really couldn’t land a decent player for a giant expiring contract (Ray)?
I do not even enjoy watching this team anymore. What a struggle to beat that crappy SAC team last night. Pierce and Garnett look like they are 87 years old. I am so demoralized that we just gave up any chance to make a run at this thing. If any of you really believe that we can compete with CLE or LAL right now, you’re kidding yourselves. This team is not a contender. Danny had a chance to make something happen with close to $30 million in expiring deals. This is incredibly disappointing. The season is over. This team sucks.
This is an impact move
Fills the gaping backup-PG hole, provides a bona fide self-starting scoring threat, plus youth and energy. Good move. We should start seeing results from it immediately.
It doesn't matter
This team is not good enough. Trading the 8th guy in our rotation for another 8th guy is not going to make a bit of diiference. The point is not that Eddie House is so invaluable, or that Nate Robinson is not……the point is that this team has been absolutely awful for almost two months now. With all of the expiring contracts we have, Danny really needed to step up to the plate and get something done. This is NOT an impact move. Honestly, what is the reason we need a backup point now that Daniels is back? Daniels and House work seamslessly together. Our bench has played well since Daniels came back. Go look at the +/- of last night’s game. Our starters are getting KILLED every night. We have enough pieces still that the right move could put us in contention. But this team is a joke right now. The consistent blown leads, the consistent 3rd quarter breakdowns…….I just don’t get how the guy who said to trade Larry Bird and Kevin Mchale before they were useless is going to just let this old team continue to get old and broken down.
And don’t give me the argument that the defensive end of the floor is where we really needed a backup point, because Nate couldn’t cover his own shadow.
by bewareofdware on Feb 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree
in the sense that our problems are NOT going to be solved by swapping Eddie for Nate.
Since Daniels has come back, the bench PG position is not a “gaping hole” problem.
The problem is in the front 3 of the starters. Pierce, Perk & KG all have to improve their play of late or we are sunk. For Pierce and KG that basically means getting healthy. I’m not sure what is going on in Perk’s head – he definitely is not focused at times. The traveling calls and the moving picks – happy feet are a sign that someone is not focusing.
OK so now he might not even be coming.....?
i hate trade rumors.
Don't give up the pick
Nate could be gone by summer and Eddie could be back. I like Eddie a lot but I like this trade. And the Knicks would do it without the draft pick. We need to hold our access to young talent even if 2nd rounders becasue Danny has a talent eye at that level.
Eddie's Kid -
Is included in the deal too – good luck in NY kid -
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Bad Move For House
I never post, but this issue has spurred me to do so.
Yes Eddie is a one dimensional player, but very good at what he does when given a chance to just shoot. He’s been expected to be a PG, which takes away from he’s all around game.
If we end up shipping House, for a rental player in Nate, we’ll end up regretting this down the road. Eddie House is the most ‘pure shooter’ we currently have in the NBA. Along with his quick release this makes for a very lethal combination. The Celts need a player like House in the playoffs to extend a lead or bring us back from behind.
Sure people will point to his streakiness and all his other inadqueacies, but really who else in the league can do what House can do better than House?
If we really need a point guard then ship Scal or Sheldon, or other mostly end of the bench players, that are DNP in most games, for Nate.
Haven’t we already learned our lesson from one Knicks’ rental player from last year (i.e. Starbur)???
Starbury was old and rusty
Nate is relatively young and in his prime. No comparisons can be made, except with regard to attitude – Steph’s was great (after much hand wringing about it) and so will Nate’s be.
Danny and Wyc looked ahead
… and saw the new CBA coming. They figured, correctly, that Ray’s huge expiring contract will help the Cs as much as anybody else. Looks to me like they’re going to stand pat with regard to Ray. This one deal is all they really needed.
Gotta Believe
Quit knockin’ the Celt’s and support them! True Celtics fans will get behind them and be positive! I bleed green no matter what! It is what it is! They have the talent. They need a few games to pull it together now that everyone is healthy. Nate will help! They need more explosiveness, athleticism and scoring from their 2nd unit. They now have that. Lets not forget that this same unit started 23-5! We know how to win. It will all come together. Banner #18 Baby!!!
YES.
Ive been trying to say this on this blog for the past week or so.
Couldnt be said any better.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 17, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
We all love the Celtics
However, we’re not dillusional fans. Time to face reality my friend!
Reality is subjective, especially when we opinions are coming out of old-time-veteran-nba-analysts like you and me.
I like your comment.
Do you still believe this team can win a championship this season?
Why is it disrespectful?
There are many fans on this blog who LOVE the Celtics, but based on the team’s play in 51 games this year, do not believe they will be a contender for the championship. No disrespect in that at all, simply differing opinions.
Excuse me.
If anyone were to lose faith they wouldnt care enough to keep on following the team.
You can be critical of something while being passionate about it as well.
I think you are confusing ‘losing faith’ about this team with being discouraged about how the season is turning out. Its been a very disappointing season thus far. Please dont question someone’s faith if you haven’t met them or know them.
I agree, has nothing to do with respect
Watching basketball is entertainment. Once it become unentertaining, you have every right to criticize. If that doesn’t do it ofr you, then you can turn it off (like me). Yet I still follow the team and hope for the best. But hpe doen’t win championships. good basketball does and this team is not playing good basketball this season.
Good Trade
Nate is a younger, more versatile version of Eddie House. And he’ll fit nicely in the backcourt with Marquis, just the way Eddie did.
We’re going to the Finals this year folks, and ya’ll are going to be eating your words.
Forgive my ignorance but...
What this “and 1” all about?
"And 1" = "+1"
… implying agreement.
It came into use after Sheed was tech’d up just for saying “And 1”.
If that is the deal, it is a no-brainer
You make this deal. We solve the backup pg issue this way, and get a scorer in the process. I’m not buying into the fact that he can’t play defense at all. He will play defense in this system that is for sure.
I like House, and recognize he can drain threes, but you don’t not make that trade for that reason alone. Nate Robinson is shooting .375% from three while House is shooting .383%- not a huge difference there. Nate can do more with the ball in his hand.
I dont even know why Ainge will go on the radio today...
It’s not as if he will answer any questions honestly.
he'll probably say
that he hasant talked with the knicks, but he likes nate robinson.
how funny would that be lol
but i hope this deal gets done.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 17, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Good trade.
If that’s the trade I’ll miss House, but it’s an upgrade.
Nate is the kind of player who sells tickets for a bad team
So I would have no problem giving a pick if Robinson were going to be here after June. But he’s not going to be. He’s gone as soon as the Celtics exit the playoffs.
i don't think so..
Celtics would not go out of their way to make this deal happen without a verbal commitment from Nate. I expect him to sign a 2/3 year deal as soon as the season is over.
Nate Robinsons writes this on his Twitter:
N wen I’m gone just carry on don’t mourn rejoice every time u hear da sound of my voice(word aapp)
mmmmmmmmmmmm
And that's why Danny would trade him in the first place.
DA doesn’t truly believe Nate can make this team that much better.
our backcourt
So now this deal would make our backcourt even smaller now!
Great, thats exactly what we need to do!
(this better not be the only move Danny makes, that would be so ridiculous and sad if it is)
Nate would..
DESTROY Eddie in 1 on 1.
Eddie is a shooter, but Nate can go off for 30 on any given night.
Good to know the former
If the Celtics can get David Stern et al. to re-write the rules to get rid of the other eight guys who participate at any given time, they should be all set.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 17, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
not really....he will play off the daniels bringing up the ball and he will defend the other PG...
honestly he is going to have to guard small guys like nelson, williams/west/gibson
by celticinorlando on Feb 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
If size mattered
…Rondo wouldn’t be the great player he is, at 6’1". In the backcourt, talent, speed, handles, vision and athleticism are what count. Size is near the bottom of the list.
I would love to give props to who suggested this in another post but I cannot remember. The suggestion was that if we were to keep Ray we start Daniels and bring Ray off the bench with the second unit. It makes sense…Daniels gives us more athleticism with the first unit/Ray would cut his minutes a bit and be the first option with the second unit. Nice blend.
The only issue would be stretching the floor with the first team which Ray hasn’t been doing well anyway. Adding Robinson’s athleticism and aggressive demeanor on offense will get Ray shots when they are on the floor together. Pierce can play more of a shooters role and Daniels can play “slasher”…he gets to the rim with consistancy.
Nate is good
This is a good trade. Eddie can get hot as a shooter only … and he’s getting older … close to being toast.
Nate as a backup to spell Rondo and ensure we don’t run him into the ground is a great thing. What’s next?
I don't mind Robinson
but I keep thinking of game 7 against Cleveland in 2008 when Eddie’s hustle and energy got both the team and the crowd going. Does anyone think N8’s going to give us that? Didn’t think so.
Hopefully he'll remember to shoot at the right basket
personally i think this guy is a douchebag, just like marbury was/is. but that doesn’t mean he can’t help the team.
Excuse me, get your facts straight
Marbury was NOT “douchey”. He was rusty and couldn’t get his game together. But his attitude while he was playing was excellent, a major positive surprise all around.
Nate’s the opposite of rusty, and in his prime.
first of all...
my characterization of marbury as a douchebag is my opinion, and not a fact. if you disagree, that’s your biz.
secondly, i was speaking generally about his character, and certainly not just about his time as a celtic. no one is debating that he was obviously a skilled player.
however i do believe his attitude while he was in boston speaks more to the celtics team leadership and less to marbury’s credit. the knicks were a circus sideshow, and marbury was a major contributor to the mayhem.
Eddie is too sketchy with the ball in his hands. Needs a real PG on 2nd unit to get him the ball which we don’t have.
only the 2nd game back with Daniels doing just that
seemed to work pretty well last night.
Still Hoping Ainge has something big goin'
Like Amare,
NY Post has an Update - Trade is going Through
NY Post has an Update – Trade is going Through. Last update 3:35 p.m.
Eddie in exchange for Nate is a upgrade I think...
and good move since his shooting was eratic all season.
But I hope Ainge is not done.
We still need a athletic, long power forward with KG ailing and aging and Baby simply being non athletic who can also help on the boards.
We also need a athletic, long, strong defending -scoring small forward.
Can we get both?
We almost did last week with Butler and Jamison trade rumor (if it was true) .
Lets see what happens.
Go Ainge, make it happen!
Better to read the comments in reverse
or not at all. I hate rumors too, so why am I reading this? lol
Again Danny Ainge will be going on WEEI AM in a few minutes
It should be interesting!
hate to break it
to you Pollyannas out there, but this is the move.
...and very likely the only move
Ray’s not going anywhere. With the CBA hanging over everything, Wyc’s probably very happy to just keep Ray and the relief of his expiring contract for the Cs.
Yes
Poorly worded. That’s what I meant: this will be the only trade.
Um, I guess so, that's just too logical to not be true
Wyc is a businessman first and a fan second, no matter what he says in public
I say start benching KG and cut down his minutes.
Starting him every game does not help him get healthier
Not likely, ford
…but let’s listen to Danny… right now
Advance peek
Bla, bla, bla, Bla, bla, bla, Bla, bla, bla…. Nate? Nate who?
He's gonna lie his *** off
I really hope glenn ordway asks him direct questions.
good trade
could potentially help keep ray’s minutes down, as he picks up a chunk of the scoring burden
Nothing but capitalist propaganda so far
…i.e., commercials :) Oh, and all about Tiger Woods (as if anybody cares)
Yea true...
Also does anybody know why Ordway has football commentators on the day before the NBA trade deadline?
Why not Max or some other basketball experts????
You think? I've given up on listening to those bozos
They actually think people care about football right now? What assinine jerks.
This WEEI is like CelticsBlog
…on drugs.
Got a feeling Danny’s canceling this nonsense…. seems like a REALLY bad day for an interview anyway.
Yes
But think about it… does Danny have time for this lame show today, of all days?
Agree....... I barely listen to them...
Unless we have a big sports story or they are talking basketball and the C’s.
unfortunately, they carry the Red Sox & Celtic games
so I listen to WEEI at night. In the morning, it only takes me about 10 seconds before I can’t stand it and switch away to another station.
Anyone listen to 98.5FM in Boston
I am finding it better and more informative than WEEI
because...
it would be a great selling jersey.
I say we get iverson and tmac
Then we could have 5 all stars next year.
I would call in
But don’t think I could get in under their IQ limit.
While we are waiting....
Anybody know if Kobe is playing tomorrow against us considering his ankle injury?
He said no
But of course, anything could happen.
Considering his ego
I fear he would probably want to pull off a Kobe to the rescue type of scenario..
Considering its a big game and on national tv.
I did read the report...
Do you really believe Kobe would miss another chance at beating Boston on national tv? I would be shocked if he didn’t play.
Got a feeling...
That one of 2 things is true:
a) Kobe’s injury is worse than advertised, or more likely…
b) He’s taken the opportunity to fix multiple problems at the same time. So while his ankle is healing, he might have opted to have that broken finger fixed too. If so, he could be out at least 3 weeks or so. That would be a smart move, actually.
That would be very smart.
I personally feel that KG should take more time to rest and not play for a few weeks.
I heard he's being held out tonight because...
He’s being traded to the Boston Celtics for Ray Allen.
Actually, we're getting Kobe for Scal + draft pick !
It’s right here, in an actual report !!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/347326-celtics-get-kobe-for-scalabrine-draft-pick
Notice Kobe says...
“as of now its a no go”
I guess he is leaving that window open to play.
That’s fine though,
Id rather he play and we beat them then beat them with him not playing.
I do know that the Lakers have run off four straight
and pretty easily with Kobe on the sidelines
Against Boston?
There’s no way Kobe would miss this game.
CELTICS!
These boston radio guys are freakin killin me….all they wanna talk about is Patriots and Red Sox. Its THE CELTICS guys!! Greatest NBA franchise of all-time! Now cover em!
Agree
Its always puzzled me how fewer coverage the C’s get in the Boston media compared to the Pats and RedSox considering they are the most successful sports franchise in Boston.
Go figure???
does this help us match up
with CLE, ORL and ATL?
If Nate can provide steady shootting and scoring from the perimeter
he helps us against those teams since he would stretch the floor and open up the inside game for other players, since his defender would not be able to slack off him and double team our low post players.
against ATL, yes
but the cavs and magic have a BIG inside presence and defend the rim pretty well. I think size is the key to those matchups, personally.
I agree size is also very important against those teams...
That’s why I hope when all is said and done the C’s can acquire at the trade deadline a big strong, athletic power forward for Ray Allen…………then in a perfect world we resign Allen via a buyout signing down the road.
With KG ailing with his knee and Baby undersized at the position and struggling this year I think it is a must move for the C’s to bolster the power forward position if we want a shot in the playoffs.
Well... at least they didn't wait till the end of the show
…as I thought they would :)… to tell us Danny’s not coming on
WOW HOLY CRAP
Did I SERIOUSLY just sit here PAINFULLY listening to an hour of The Big Show only to be told Danny isn’t coming on because he’s busy?
NOOOOOOOOOO
Lets Go Celtics!!
It’s like all the boston radio shows have given up on the Celtics this year already. That upsets me. True Celtics fans don’t give up on em. Lets not forget this same team started 23-5. We have the talent and we know how to win! Just gotta get it going now thats everyone is healthy. Let’s go Celt’s!! Robinson is an upgrade to House btw…
reports have come out that
it will be a first rounder for nate
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 17, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the c's
they suck.
Ray Allens is Old
Paul Peirce is Old
Kevin Garnett is Old
Rojan Rondo has no confidence. ( Wont Shoot or BE fould in final minutes)
Kendrick Perins is a fat bum
And their trading their first for nate( besides dunking.. he really is terrible)
by halpy on Feb 17, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
A very...
constructive and worthwhile read. Thank you.
No way
Celts would be dumb to give a first rounder in this.
looks like they are
ainge cracking under pressure
JETS
by michael28102 on Feb 17, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
must be true then...
Considering how they have known about this trade for weeks, and haven’t been spewing out constant badonkadonk every day before this.
Three things can happen
1) Danny does nothing
2) Danny gets Nate and gives up a 2nd round pick
3) Danny gets Kevin Martin for Ray but takes on a bad contract and gives up 1st round pick
House has no handle.
House can’t hit a layup in traffic (or on the break being trailed).
House can hardly ever find a shot after he puts the ball on the floor.
House is a great foul shooters who never get’s fouled.
Nate is a flat out scorer. He can hit 3’s, mid-range, at go to the rim (obviously).
Neither of them are known for their defense.
How about in the locker room
Nate lacks maturity. I am not sold that he will fit into the Celtics system as well as Eddie has.
What the final deal might look like?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhqvpxy
Due to Nate Rob’s base-year compensation, a straight up House for Robinson trade can’t work, but I think I’ve found a deal that will work (click the link to view). (Not completely sold Nate Rob is the answer for the Celts, but since everyone’s reporting that it’s gonna get done, I’m trying to figure out who The C’s are going to give up in order to marginally their our roster):
A third team needs to be involved to make the salaries match. Since NY is already in talks with Houston for T-Mac, it makes sense that it would be them. NY reportedly offered them Hughes and Jefferies, but Houston also wanted a third player and a 1st round draft pick that NY was reluctant to part with.
If the Celts provide that third player in Tony Allen and Danny (Ainge) would be willing to surrender a first rounder to Houston in exchange for cash considerations from the Knicks (who can have their cake and eat it too in this scenario), then this could be what the final deal looks like.
That said, the Celts would be giving up way too much in this scenario just for Nate Rob (whose contract is up after this season and is likely a one-year rental for the Celts), but it’s the only thing I could come up with to make the deal work.
Anybody else come up with something?
I'd like something like this: BOS/SAC/NYK
as long as SAC buy out Ray Allen…
Boston trades: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, JR Giddens, Eddie House
Boston receives: Nate Robinson, Kevin Martin, Al Harrington, John Brockman
Sactown trades: Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas, John Brockman
Sactown receives: Ray Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Wilson Chandler
NY trades: Nate Robinson, Al Harrington, Wilson Chandler
NY receives: Eddie House, JR Giddens, Kenny Thomas
It might be a pipe dream, but if the C’s sent some cash to the Kings and a future first to the Knicks… everything is possible. Sac and NY get cap relief, Bos gets talent.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylntfa2
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
why dont you people that say nates not a good defender just shut up?!
who cares if hes not good at defense? he can score and he hustles! hes just like eddie house but maybe even better at D and anyways by the way things are lookin it doesnt look like we can grab a good defender
disagree
Nate will fit into’s Eddie’s role in the 2nd unit really well actually. Alongside Daniels, he can spread the floor with his shot and defend pg while on O playing sg.
Not only that, but we can play Nate with the 1st unit at pg – something that we just could not do with Eddie any more. Nate being a good ball handler with the ability to slash and get to the rim, will generate those open looks from outside that Paul, Ray and KG only can get from Rondo right now.
As for Nate’s immaturity, three months ago I would have agreed but D’Antoni did him quite a service when he dog-housed him for a month. That was the chin-check he needed and if you’ve been following NY at all, would have seen the change in his outlook.
Solid move by Ainge.
You are forgetting something...
In NY, Nate didnt have the pressure that he will have here in Boston. He wont be able to handle the pressure in Boston.
Plus, you’re basically losing a point every time Nate shoots for the Green. How?
You’ve traded a guy that shoots nothing but threes for a guys who shoots nothing but two’s.
This is not a major trade I must say, this can be considered a minor trade, but still Nate Robinson is a much better player than Eddie House, maybe not such an accurate shooter, but he has more stuff to offer to the table than House, he can dribble and is a better scorer than House, which gives us more versatility on the bench.
by Stanley Acosta Calderón on Feb 17, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions
gonna miss him
Here’s to one last Eddiieeee HOUSE. For Threeeee!! Thanks for over 2 years of pride and energy Eddie. Wish the best to you and your family.
Just what we need....
a 5’ 8’’ shooting guard who can’t shoot or play defense. Honestly, this deal does nothing for us but add an immature loser to the roster. With any luck, he signs elsewhere after this season.
I would never give
them a draft pick too! Heck, I’d just keep Eddie. Even if it is a 2nd round pick, we are going to need as many picks as we can get!
Damm straight!
Especially after what Doc was able to get out of JR Giddens, Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, and the great Semih Erden !
What was Doc able to get out of those guys?
I hope that is sarcasm. Doc never let them play so we have no idea what their real potential is. All this time we have been discussing Ray and Pierce playing too many minutes but we had two young guys in Walker in Giddens rotting on the bench. Had they received some respectable minutes here and there, maybe they wouldn’t play like they were scared to make a mistake because they would immediately be pulled out of the game.
Doc is awful with young guys. Don’t forget that he barely let Rondo play his rookie season in which they only won 24 games. What was he going to lose by giving him a chance? I don’t get it.
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