Breaking Up is Hard to Do
Staying together presents its own problems, too.
Ok. So this hasn’t gone as we hoped it would.
It might not be the Celtics last will and testament, but it certainly is about the Celtics’ lost will and testament… to the value of chemistry.
Those who said this assemblage of the Big Three was a one shot group in the same vein of the Miami Heat a few years ago are looking prophetic.
It now seems like such a long time ago that this new team of stars went to Rome to bond and build that oh so important chemistry. While there, Kevin Garnett called the new big three the Ceatles…and he was Paul.
The Beatles had a tremendous run over about eight years.
Many saw this team as having a three year window to ransack and pillage the league. Was that optimistic?
The league was in awe. The new Boston Celtics had the NBA’s attention. But who thought that the new kids on the block be more like….The New Kids On the Block?
Some outside of Boston thought so then. I didn’t.
One Hit Wonder?
This powerful Celtic team ‘Gino danced’ to the championship in 2008. Will that title dance become a one hit wonder like… the Macarena?
Have individual agendas made the Celtics….Too Sexy For Their Shirts?
Right Said Fred.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Said Einstein.
So just how complicated is this?
That is what Danny Ainge must decide. Solomon might have a tough time with this one.
Picture the Beatles without Paul or John for a while. It is not the same group. It is the same with Garnett and the Celtics.
The Beatles were ripping out hits right up the end. It is a bit different with basketball players. Their minds get better, but their bodies don’t.
The trash talking-est team in the league hasn’t been able to back it up this season. The Celtics’ pit bulls have lost their bite. Their own coach has called them ‘front runners’.
They play 24 minutes of solid, team oriented, energetic basketball and mysteriously do something less than that for 24 minutes a game.
For what it’s worth, the technical fouls have stopped for the moment. The Celtics haven’t had one in 6 straight games now. The last one was by Rasheed in the Lakers game.
As Garnett Goes, So Goes the Celtics
So…is Paul dead? Did we end up with Billy Shears?
Is the dream, as we know it, dead?
It depends on who you talk to.
At this point, many in Celtic Nation believe the ship has sailed on any realistic title hopes for this unit - for good. Time for the big break up. And Ray Allen is the likely choice. Great attitude, team player all the way, locker room and community diplomat, healthy, in great shape, and a huge expiring contract that is as precious as gold is this environment for certain teams.
Bringing up the counter thoughts are a small band of hold outs who believe patience and no major moves are the best course of action. Ray Allen’s ‘still dangerous’ game, overall persona and unquestionable character drives the loyalty of this group.
But understand. Ray Allen is not the problem with this team.
There is so much going on regarding the myriad trade talks that what matters most may be getting lost in the shuffle.
So why is Ray the one being offered in trade?
Some say he is in decline. He is at near career low numbers right now. But he has the best net on court/off court number (+9.9) on the team. It is about more than his individual numbers. He makes life easier for the other 4 players on the floor. No one would think any just three point shooter would be as valuable…would they?
Ray’s shooting droughts have sometimes come at inopportune moments. But he bounces back. And few are as dangerous in the last few minutes with the game on the line. He is currently in an 8 for 34 (23%) slump from beyond the same line that will ultimately put him in ‘The Hall’. Make no mistake, he will break out of this slump as well.
He is healthy. Ownership would not trade Pierce. Garnett is making major dollars and will make even more as he grows older. Even with KG’s physical decline – he is probably the most difficult to replace.
Ray is the obvious choice.
Ray Allen is a gem - as a player, as a person. He is still one of the most dangerous clutch shooters in the game. In this crazy league, at this crazy time, his expiring contract is a good thing.
Expiring Contract = Financial Freedom = Greater Roster Freedom
Remember when players were traded based on talent alone?
It was kind of like trading picture cards. Those days are long gone.
Sometimes the contract is more important than the talent.
If you just want an expiring contract, he has a big one ($19.7 mil.) and you get a 30 game rental to boot. In the off season, Ray will then seek the best place for himself to resume his career. Could he find his way back here?
Uncertainty and ambiguity reigns. The path is not clear, though some would have you think so.
A number of solid players have been mentioned, but their contracts, age, and individual games have to be considered. The current Collective Bargaining Agreement, depressed economy and projected lock out in 2011 all play a role.
Issues? Do we have issues.
Other major issues are equally important. And the solutions are not clear right. Danny’s decisions (or abstention from) right now will be critical to the present and future success of this team.
Kevin Garnett
The biggest thing is still Kevin Garnett’s health and game.
So a few thoughts on that.
What if this is as good as Garnett will get this season? Does that mean no title hopes?
Let’s look at it this way…
Isn’t Garnett, even at his current level of play, as good defensively as Pau Gasol? I would wager the answer is yes. Similarly, isn’t Kendrick Perkins better defensively than Andrew Bynum? Again yes.
So, the Celtics two starting bigs are still as good defensively as the Laker’s two starting bigs. Isn’t that the core of a still solid defense?
Can’t the Celtics make a few adjustments defensively and return to dominance?
Are the problems really on the offensive end?
The team already has the lowest 'points allowed' average in the league. But that is somewhat deceptive when teams roll over you when they need to. And that is exactly what has been happening. It almost happened again last night in a game where all the defensive numbers were great.
The Celtic defense with Garnett off the floor (18 minutes per game) still needs work. So Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau have their work cut out. Rasheed Wallace and Glen Davis still don’t do ‘help defense’ to the level required to play Celtic style defense. But both had performances last night that were encouraging.
Eddie House is still a defensive liability and Rajon Rondo has, at times, been part of the defensive mystery. Rondo is, by far, the most energetic player on the Celtics. Without him this team looks more like the Geritol Gang than Gang Green. He leads the league in steals. But a number of point guards have had excellent games against the Celtics this season.
There are a slew of issues that have popped up this season. Rebounding, focus, energy, chemistry, offense, defense, aging stars, loss of ubuntu and whatever else I missed.
For the record, I am not against trading Ray. But whether Ray stays or goes, this team has things to fix.
With all their troubles, they are but 5 losses behind the Lakers and 7 behind the Cavaliers. I’m not ready to give up on them yet.
The next few weeks are critical. Whatever the team’s private issues are, it is time for Doc to get them straightened out.
Ray Allen to Steve Bulpett in the Boston Herald...
“We’re facing a different challenge now,” Allen said. “You think about all the teams in different sports that were supposed to win and didn’t because of other issues that got in the way or on the table.”
Whatever problems Paul McCartney and John Lennon had between them, they continued to work together pumping out some huge hits.
I'd like to believe this group of Celtics aren't done either.
Yesterday, all their troubles seemed so far away. We believed in yesterday.
It is today and tomorrow that have us all worried.
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You are not a real Celtics fan.
Leave your green on the table and don’t let the door hit you in the snoochy on the way out…
Good stuff.
Let It Be with the Big 3
One of the last Beatles hits and the title of the current state of the C’s Big 3. At this point in the season, with the trading deadline upon us, there’s no gold out in the NBA hills to trade him for. Just various refuse that isn’t worth what he brings us today.
Let It Be.
I disagree.
I love Ray, I really do… Just a month ago, I was screaming “no trades!” The guy is a class act all the way around, he’s as professional and level-headed as they come and by all accounts an excellent presence in the locker. He helped bring in banner #17, so I feel indebted to grant him his wish to retire in Green.
But, if we keep Ray and simply let his contract expire, it doesn’t give us much to work with for next season. If there’s an opportunity that we can bring in some younger legs to aid Rondo in the rebuilding process, it needs to be explored. I stuck with this team through a lot – that 24 straight loss season is still a bit fresh in my memory and I can honestly say I don’t want to go back there.
In all likely hood, there is a chance that if he is traded, Ray can still find his way back to Beantown. But if not, we should keep in mind that this a business. Personal loyalties are great icing on the cake, but it’s not the way a professional team should be run.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I could be crazy but.....
If Ray plays out his contract, wouldn’t we have that contracts worth of space to play around with. If we trade for young players out of this “satanic craze” going on, won’t we then have less money to play around with next season?
I do not want Jamison.
Too old, too much money.
If we move Ray, it should be for a younger player.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
the thing is, since we're so far over the cap - Ray's contract coming off only provides zero- minimal capspace
As it stands, we’re currently going to have about $60m tied up in only 6 players (this is assuming we don’t pick up options on Giddens and Walker) – about $40m of that is dedicated to Pierce and KG alone. So we’d actually still be over cap or close to cap once the summer hits. We can use the MLE to try to entice a player, or split it between 2 guys. We have no LLE because you can only use that every 2 yrs, and we just used it to sign Daniels. So the best way to bring in fresh talent is a trade, just so happens that Ray’s expiring is the most attractive piece we have…
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
no we won't have space to play around with...
because this team next year is still over the cap, Ray or not. That means we can only sign free agents from other teams to the MLE or Vet Minimum.
This doesn’t mean that the C’s can’t work out some kind of trade in the offseason (and with less guaranteed money on the books this becomes easier for ownership to swallow) but as far as free agency goes our hands will still be tied…
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 17, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
it makes no "business" sense....but my gut says keep Ray ....
and that’s one of many reasons why I am not a GM
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Feb 17, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, but McCartney (and the other 3) had huge careers after the breakup
Does Nate = Yoko? The analogy doesn’t quite work.
absolutely a great piece TT
you may be a better writer than me (because I never write anymore) …kidding – very nicely said and just good stuff…
Einstein also said
“Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.”
Po says – you can’t count heart, or hope, or spirit or even desire…..but I do count ON those things in times of trouble….it’s called faith…..and I still have it
Is it Soup Yet?
well said Master Po.
And thanks for the kind words.
Love the Einstein quote.
I’m rolling with these guys whatever the decisions Danny makes on the roster and they are not easy ones.
How about this one from the good Doctor E.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”
So it becomes a matter of whose reality is better until the real reality hits you in the face…
or something like that.
they’ll find their way. if only Perk learns how to shoot and pay attention to others while he is in the paint and also pull a quick trigger, he could easily be Al Jefferson, it seems that he is oblivious to a lot of pass oppurtunites from others when they or Rondo penetrates and tries to dish to him
Your word or words is the only thing that no one can take from you. Use them wisely.
perk...
everyone was saying he was going to be an allstar, the way he started off this year. he was shooting amazing, playing great D, and couldnt really seemed to be stopped. but something happened. maybe hes just in a slump, but his game isnt the same. he gets blocked so many times, and doesnt seem like he has that trashtalk in him anymore. (just like KG). hopefully he will get back to himself now…
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 17, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Btw, yesterday their troubles were not at all far away
… they were right there front and center.
Also, you started talking about the offensive end (“Are the problems really on the offensive end?”), but I didn’t see a follow-up. That IS where a lot of their problems are, Doc’s pronouncements notwithstanding. There are times – usually in the 4th quarter, sometimes in the 3rd – when they can’t buy a basket for love or money. Where they turn over more balls than they send through the net. What about that? Well… maybe Nate can help on that front.
true
DRJ1
I left a few things out for brevity’s sake. But the Celtics have achieved triple digit scoring only once in the last 14 games. Offense is a real problem.
And rebounding is another important issue.
they could each be another article.
Instead of being constructively optimistic...
Let’s blame the junk out of one player (pick your poison.. perk ray kg) and come up with crazy trade ideas and/or completely lose faith.
I’m going to have a celtics jersey burning party, any one want to join???
I say we all buy cute little LeBron and Kobe skirts and play vodoo skip to my lue during the remainder of the Celtics games—get a good hex on.
Oh, gosh, unless they start playing better… Then I guess we can reset and fart rainbows all the way to the pot of gold. I won’t tell anyone that we’re jumping wagon if you don’t.
I'm not sure if this is a response to the article or a comment
but the piece TT wrote isn’t blaming it all on one player, he goes through a list of issues we seem to be having right now.
Personally, I’ve rarely seen anyone “blame” Ray for the teams struggles but he’s an attractive trade piece right now – thats why there’s so much talk around him, IMO. The talks are not so much in regards to the player himself, but the contract.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
I’d like to see a piece of paper make a last-second 3pt game winner look so sexy.
I was being completely sardonic. Silly even. Board, a lot. Sick of hearing the pathetic death cries of fair-whether Celtics fans—absolutely.
I was you last month.
I didn’t think a trade was necessary, let alone a boost. But watching this team struggle to maintain leads, when they have the talent to blow teams out, has been an eye opener.
I don’t know what happened or when it happened, but we just look old at times. I’m not a fairweather fan, I’ve watched this team go through some truly difficult times. As I said above, I don’t want to see this team go back there because of sentimentality.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
But is a trade the answer?
I am not opposed to one, but the problems run much deeper. This team has forgotten how to play team defense, and forgotten how to drive to the paint. Old looking? Yeah, but why? They’ve lost the fire.
TT, instead of a Beatles metophor, it should have been BB King:
“The thrill is gone”
I honestly don't know if a trade will be the answer this year.
I’m not ready to concede that there’s no chance we win this year, but the chances look bleaker as time goes on. As it stands, I can’t see this time being able to outmatch the likes of Cleveland, LA, or even the Hawks in 7 games in the playoffs this year.
I trade can provide a boost this year and keep us afloat, but I’m also concerned with next year. I don’t think letting Ray expire and then resigning for less really gives us anything basketball wise. Adding some youth to the mix might make the growing pains of the next few seasons easier to bare (and there will be growing pains, you think KG looks bad now – imagine what he’d like look 2 yrs from now in the last year of his deal when he’s owed $21m).
Rondooooooo
SD...The Thrill is Gone
Good one.
The problem is that it appears to be true for at least some of the players some of the time.
perplexing.
Einstein signed on under several aliases on this one
It is obvious that we cannot win it all with KG playing at this level. I don’t think anyone disagrees with that. But the playoffs are then and the trading deadline is now. Do something rash now and the playoff run can become less likely. Remember, it isn’t Ray costing us these games. It’s mental things with Pierce, Perk. Those are adjustable. But KG is really off. Can’t trade around that. I’m for keeping faith with Master Po and in the veterans (and HOPE for KG). I like Eddie House, his instant O, his infectious spirit. But you have to go with Nate Robinson trade. But no draft pick. I’m for holding all draft picks and put them in the hands of Danny, the draft wizard. This new CBA is a factor.
Danny's drafting has not been the greatest
He drafted for athleticism last year, and came up with Giddens andWalker, two superb athletes who don’t “get it” at this level. Forget the picks, they’re gonig to be in the high 20’s again anyway.
letss get RIGHT!
every team losses and have streches where they struggle a little bit , better then than now , 31 more gamess left in the season maybe a few dotted lines away from aquiring a YOUNG,ATHLETIC pg in nate robinson , its not like were not competing the last game vs orlando dwight just went on a rare TEAR and the last game vs LA(lakers) kobe hit a game winning shot ,he dosent make that we WIN, the great spurss team that were always compared to always turn on the SWITCH post all star break , not saying that we cant or CAN , but lets not mope just cuz of a bad JAN ,lets look foward to us having our team FULLY HEALTHY for the 1st fime this season ,we havent scrached the surface on our potential my opinion i cant see any team no matter how good they are beating us 4 times in a week come playoff time ,(god willing us being fully healthy) so lets stop moping lets get our celtic pridee on dust off the KG number 5 jerseys we got after we traded for him and get stoked for maybe the best starting lineup,the best bench in the nba(next to orlando) and kick back and watch some celtic basketball pceee
Celtics, Beatles
Two of my favorite things. (The Celts had a pretty fair run at the same time as the Beatles too!) To Nate: Baby, you can drive our car!
Nice post, TT.
And yes, the problem is on offense.
Every game each team gets virtually identical number of possessions (for the typical Celtic game, 91 each). So the game comes down to two things : Score whenever we have the ball. Stop them from scoring when they have the ball.
We are tops in defensive efficiency both per game and per possession. There is no other more important measure than points on the scoreboard. Each time the other team has possession, we do a better job than any other team in preventing them from scoring. This is simple, easy to measure fact.
But we are basically mediocre at turning OUR possessions into points. Not terrible. Just mediocre. And that means we are not (so far) playing good enough to be a championship team. We have too many periods where our offense completely stalls out. As a result our points per game is mediocre.
And lately that is mostly on the starters. We just aren’t executing well on offense when the other team goes on runs. Every team goes on runs during the course of a game. That’s no big deal, especially if you hold them to a low total for the game. But instead of executing the offense and answering their runs with points, we go into iso mode and stand around and get completely shut down.
good point mmmmm
last night woulda been a more solid victory, not a lucky win IF the Celtics 1st unit was able to convert possessions into SCORES ! That’s all there is to it. Starting to wonder if Center is the problem lately. Nobody talks about Perk as suspect. He’s automatically seen as “there”.. well, how are we going to be a premier team without SCORING ? You look around the league and many teams even poor ones routinely score 100+. For the C’s 100+ is very rare.
mmmm
agree.
Our offense makes other defenses look good when we have unforced turnovers. Ball movement among other things, can be a problem.
by the way
Albert Einstein was a plagiarist. He was a file clerk and routinely re-published the works of Germans and Italians as his own. The man did not even first come up with E=MC2. Olinto De Pretto, an industrialist from Vicenza, published the equation E=mc2 in a scientific magazine, Atte, in 1903.
Just sayin..
maybe that is why Einstein also said this...
“The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.”
BTW… Bob Dylan said every original thing he did, he got from someone else…or something like that
But interesting fact on E=MC2.
thanks, Snowball.
But Pretto said it in error
He came to that conclusion erroneously, and by sheer luck happened to (eventually) been proven right… but for all the wrong reasons. So while it’s always hard, maybe impossible, to come up with something completely new under the sun, genius is often contained in making sense of what’s already there.
All of which
…puts not one single point on the Cs’ scoreboard. I mean, let’s keep our perspective here!
What are we?
All we are is dust in the wind
by Celtico on Feb 17, 2010 7:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Beatles have always wrote about the Celtics...
Baby, you`re a rich man {BBD signs new contract}
For the benefit of Mr. Kite {Greg K.}
Maxwell`s Silver Hammer {Cornbread}
Nowhere Man {Sheed}
I should`ve known better {Wyc regrets signing Sheed}
Here comes the sun {if Amare comes here}
I`m a loser {Marbury}
Tell me why {House traded for Nate}
We can work it out {DA talking to other GM`s}
Hello Goodbye {Big 3}
great follow up
Title 18.
funny stuff
We know they need HELP! in every way.
ok..ok
Isn’t Garnett, even at his current level of play, as good defensively as Similarly, isn’t Andrew Bynum? Again yes.
Uhmmm..ok! Ill agree to a point. But just cuz they’re the same defensively doesnt make them the same offensively. Other than that it was a very motivating post. Celtic fan should be glad to have you.
Nice!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Feb 17, 2010 7:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Thanks Kobe Won...
I checked the on court/off court for all 4 players before I wrote the original piece and you are correct…. on the offensive end.
It appears that Bynum isn’t all that good defensively yet. I though he would impact the game more on that end than he does.
Gasol is one fine player.
Sry this is off topic
Wok is reporting that the cavs have just landed Jamison
ainge better come up with sth too
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 17, 2010 7:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Ha!
True.
and that reminds me….Charlie Manson wrote 2 Beach Boys songs. Scary.
Tomorrow Never Knows
Who knows what the heck will transpire in the 11th hour? In the meantime, turn off your mind, relax and float downstream…
Beatles Analogy . . .
with a Neil Sedaka title. And probably most of the posters aren’t familiar with either.
It appears the nature of things. You either build a winner with youth and a superstar and hope that they jell together and want to stay together. That keeps you in the mix for 10 years. Or you do the one hit wonder tune and keep trying to keep the team there while at the time creating havoc as chemistry and age come into play.
This probably all would have been avoided if we would have had the second pick in the draft a few years ago. We would have had a front line of Perk, Al, and Durant, and Rondo at the one. The two would have been easy to find. But now, Danny’s got some work to do, and so does Doc.
Yeah...
I knew I was dating myself (my wife says no one else will) with my metaphor.
Hey KG was the one who started it all with the Ceatles and he’s Paul stuff.
Jamison traded to Cavs
Why do we have so much trouble making deals while other contenders in the NBA can make upgrades without even blinking an eye? Danny needs to pull his head out of his rear.
I'm not sure how fan impatients...
has anything to do with two completely unrelated trades.
Danny Ferry is in morbid fear of LeBron bolting
so he pulls the trigger. But LeBron may bolt anyway.
Imagine, LeBron bolts
and their stuck with Jamison…
wonder is the risk is worth the reward.
Rondooooooo
Lebron's not bolting
Please. If he’s no good enough to win a title this year, who will we win it with? Blowjobs in NY? Or he’ll hit the “Wall” in NJ?!
: )
Neil Sedaka is to The Beatles as....
…“_ _ _ _ _” is to the Celtics. Can you fill in the missing name?
(For some crazy reason,. I can’t help but think “Nate Robinson” in there. They’re both kinda the same size…. and they sing similar songs.)

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